View Full Version : Help for a Hot Date
MC_KENNA
09-28-2005, 04:52 PM
Greetings. I am
new to the forums and to pheromones in general. And as a rookie, I'm looking for some answers that aren't readily
avaliable.
I just want to know where i should apply the unscented SOE if im going to be in close proximity to a
girl (e.g. car, hugging, etc.) and how much.
I also want to know if ANY amount of unscented SOE pheromone could
turn a girl off. I'll let you know how this litte experiment turns out.
Any other suggestions would be
great.
Peace
MrPlayboy
09-28-2005, 05:04 PM
Greetings. I
am new to the forums and to pheromones in general. And as a rookie, I'm looking for some answers that aren't
readily avaliable.
I just want to know where i should apply the unscented SOE if im going to be in close
proximity to a girl (e.g. car, hugging, etc.) and how much.
I also want to know if ANY amount of unscented SOE
pheromone could turn a girl off. I'll let you know how this litte experiment turns out.
Any other suggestions
would be great.
Peace
If you're already on a date, then you already have your foot in the door.
Wearing soe, could have her calling you her "friend." I would suggest to just turn up the heat and wear a bunch of
npa with cologne, if your game is half-way decent, she should be another chick you add to your totem pole by the end
of the night.
I'd stay away from SOE straight up,
unless you already project a very alpha or scary vibe.
jollysnowdevil
09-28-2005, 05:32 PM
well i hafta agree soe is
purely a friendly product. although it will keep her intrigued and most likely have her talking your head off. she
no doubt will percieve you as being a friendly guy.
i for the record have had success picking up women while
wearing just soe. so i wouldnt worry about the friendship factor too much it can still be done. and yes i did get
to test the springs on my mattress numerous times with them.
as far as od ing on soe it is kind of hard to in
my book. i usually go 1/4- 1/2 gel packs. as for the roll top bottle never used. i did one time when i put on 1 full
gel pack of soe get one girl say she felt like she was high and had to move away from me.
locations of mones.
any part of your body that will be close to her... neck is great for hugs kisses on cheeks as their nose will be
right there. wrists work good to but i find it is better when used with handshakes or teller windows. the chest im
not a big fan of as clothes cover it but i find myself putting some on my chest in case the clothes come off. you
can always aply a little to each section of your body as long as you dont od on your total usage.
MC_KENNA
09-28-2005, 08:18 PM
So what would be a good amount
for the roll on variety?
jollysnowdevil
09-28-2005, 08:23 PM
never used the roll on.
as ive read before anywhere from 6-12 inches. i do want to reiterate soe will just make you seem friendlier more
approachable. have fun let us know how it goes
Sigma
09-28-2005, 11:42 PM
Yeah SOE works well for breaking
the ice, as it tends to buffer social awkardness, and generally creates a sociable atmosphere, but it really lacks
the sexual/intimate edge that sparks the fire in a date. Not to say the date'll go badly with SOE alone, but an NPA
edge would certainly do you some good.
The closest I've come to OD'ing on soe was when I wore so much that I
felt kinda buzzed and was in a goofy mood at work. Everyone around me seemed to eat it up though lol.
As for
application points....I remember in the 6th grade my History teacher Mr. Drenner recommended that guys wear cologne
on their lower necks because women tend to inhale while they hug someone, sometimes to purposely sniff them. I've
lived by his advice to this day, and yeah women have usually commented on my cologne after recieving a hug. Same
rules apply for mones with me. Also, since you'll be in a car with her you might wanna try applying them on the
side she'll be sitting on. (ie, if shes the passenger, focus the application on your right side, if shes the
driver, apply more towards the left) And keep the windows up!
Gegogi
09-29-2005, 02:05 AM
We are sexual creatures to begin
with. She already wants to jump your bones because she agreed to go out with you (but probably not on the first few
dates). A little SOE won't suddenly change you into a dickless happy face. It's one of the safest 'mones to
apply, especially on a first date with a younger woman. It is very hard to OD on SOE. The worse that can happen if
you over do it is she'll talk you to death. I'm guessing you're a young man and probably have plenty of natural
'none, so I wouldn't use a 'none product like NPA or TE until you've found your limit, i.e., experiement under
less critical circumstances. However, two or three 6 or 8 inch stripes of SOE on your forearms (if wearing a short
sleeve shirt) and/or neck and/or chest should be fine. I'd recommend covering with a light cologne.
Just
remember, the 'mones merely enhance your essense--they can't create attraction out of nothing--so get your ducks
in a row for the date.
DUKE3100
09-29-2005, 05:44 AM
I dont want to burst your
bubble bud but I will anyways ok?
SOE is not going to inspire your date sexually and if you dont have any game it
may just inspire the "Lets just be friends" Lingo. LOL!!!! I LOVE THAT ONE!
jollysnowdevil
09-29-2005, 08:32 AM
We are
sexual creatures to begin with. She already wants to jump your bones because she agreed to go out with you (but
probably not on the first few dates). A little SOE won't suddenly change you into a dickless happy face. It's one
of the safest 'mones to apply, especially on a first date with a younger woman. It is very hard to OD on SOE. The
worse that can happen if you over do it is she'll talk you to death. I'm guessing you're a young man and probably
have plenty of natural 'none, so I wouldn't use a 'none product like NPA or TE until you've found your limit,
i.e., experiement under less critical circumstances. However, two or three 6 or 8 inch stripes of SOE on your
forearms (if wearing a short sleeve shirt) and/or neck and/or chest should be fine. I'd recommend covering with a
light cologne.
Just remember, the 'mones merely enhance your essense--they can't create attraction out of
nothing--so get your ducks in a row for the date.
gotta agree with gegogi. i dont know why so many men
here think wearing soe on a date means you will end up being just friends. yeah soe makes people superfriendly but
with women i'd describe it as making them feel safe around you, safe enough to open up. women love men they are
completely comfortable around. gives you that trust factor without having to work too hard to get it
DUKE3100
09-29-2005, 08:44 AM
" i dont know why so many men
here think wearing soe on a date means you will end up being just friends."
The reason is because if you do not
have any game....and you do not know how to move things in a sexual direction and away from chitchat about girl talk
stuff than you will end up being viewed as a friend. If you know what you are doing then great....if you dont know
what your doing then Soe can really hurt you unless you spike it with something else. Oh and Jolly...how many girls
have you had sexually interested in you after you were their friend and listened to all their problems and been
their shoulder to cry on???? Hmmmmm?? My experience is SOe gets them talkin a lot...in the early stages a woman is
trying to figure out what you are to them and they usually start by seeing if you are their friend or someone that
is sexually interested in them. Most guys dont know how to pass the friend test and become a potential lover to a
girl...I didnt for a loooong time. Soe makes things more difficult for me anyways....unless I spike it with some
none.
belgareth
09-29-2005, 09:01 AM
I have to agree with Gegogi
too. If you don't have any game no quantity or type of pheromones are going to help. If you have good game, mones
aren't going to make a huge difference. They do help but they are only a part of the whole story.
Sigma
09-29-2005, 09:05 AM
It's a bit farfetched to say tha
SOE alone will ruin a date and put you in the friend pile. While an NPA edge would certainly work better, I
wouldn't discount the fact that how you treat a woman, like everyone else says, is much more important than mones
alone. Mones don't have more influence over a person than you and your actions do.
SOE alone helps buffer
social awkardness, which would open up an opportunity to step your game up. Again, while none would help and I would
recommend it, it isn't, by any means, necessary.
jollysnowdevil
09-29-2005, 09:37 AM
The
reason is because if you do not have any game....and you do not know how to move things in a sexual direction and
away from chitchat about girl talk stuff than you will end up being viewed as a friend. If you know what you are
doing then great....if you dont know what your doing then Soe can really hurt you unless you spike it with something
else.
Oh and Jolly...how many girls have you had sexually interested in you after you were their friend and
listened to all their problems and been their shoulder to cry on???? Hmmmmm??
My experience is SOe gets them
talkin a lot...in the early stages a woman is trying to figure out what you are to them and they usually start by
seeing if you are their friend or someone that is sexually interested in them. Most guys dont know how to pass the
friend test and become a potential lover to a girl...I didnt for a loooong time. Soe makes things more difficult for
me anyways....unless I spike it with some none.
i cant really disagree with you. you're right if you
don't know have the game it probably will make you just friends.
last count i've slept with at least 5
women after we were good friends not counting the lesbians and high school.
i was just saying that it is very
possible to wear just soe and score. of course none should give us more of a sexual edge when used right.
for
me i don't know i could very well emit a ton of none. i could produce very little. everytime i figure it one way or
the other something comes up to discredit the theory. even without the mones i've always wowed people. as far as my
game well i've got that down solid. plus working behind a bar fir 3 years has given me plenty of time to perfect
it.
for me soe alone doesn't hurt my chances because i don't believe it will. when i wear either just soe
or a mix with none in it my mentality is always the same... " i have an edge today" or " i feel good" of course when
im testing ill be more conscious of what im wearing and how it reacts. other than that when it's a regular mix i
have no mental bias.
i tend to wear more social/sexual mixes for allpurpose use which suits me just fine
especially at work. i've grown accustomed to having the lighter sexual overtone and thus i rely more on my
personality, charm, etc. for work purposes i quickly learned to use lighter amounts of none, as such mixes with
heavy amounts will yield far better results but then you'll get that one or two people that get nasty from it.
nothing like a nasty grump to ruin my day at work. negative vibes can be very contagious.
jollysnowdevil
09-29-2005, 09:39 AM
It's a bit
farfetched to say tha SOE alone will ruin a date and put you in the friend pile. While an NPA edge would certainly
work better, I wouldn't discount the fact that how you treat a woman, like everyone else says, is much more
important than mones alone. Mones don't have more influence over a person than you and your actions do.
SOE
alone helps buffer social awkardness, which would open up an opportunity to step your game up. Again, while none
would help and I would recommend it, it isn't, by any means, necessary.
amen:cheers:
DUKE3100
09-29-2005, 09:48 AM
"last count i've slept with at
least 5 women after we were good friends not counting the lesbians and high school"
Wow....YOUR SPECIAL!:box:
lol
DUKE3100
09-29-2005, 10:01 AM
In all seriousness....I am not
saying Soe is a bad product....it is one of my favorites actually. I am just saying that wearing it alone on a first
date is certainly not the best choice if you are trying to give yourself a "helpful" edge.
jollysnowdevil
09-29-2005, 01:09 PM
In all
seriousness....I am not saying Soe is a bad product....it is one of my favorites actually. I am just saying that
wearing it alone on a first date is certainly not the best choice if you are trying to give yourself a "helpful"
edge.
i agree completely. soe is among the products i make sure i never run out of.
Gegogi
09-29-2005, 01:33 PM
I've messed around with many of
my female friends. Most of my long term lovers started out as friends. Just because you're friends doesn't mean
things can't change later. Often there are attractions--or you wouldn't be friends to begin with--but the
situation isn't right for a deeper relatonship (already has a BF/GF). Or things naturally evolve...
DUKE3100
09-29-2005, 01:39 PM
"I've messed around with many
of my female friends. Most of my long term lovers started out as friends. Just because you're friends doesn't mean
things can't change later. Often their are attractions but the situation isn't right for a deeper relatonship. Or
things naturally evolve..."
I think the older you get the more likely that this can happen.....but it is my
experience from others and from my own life that it is rare. The best chance to be romantically and sexually
involved in a sexual relationship with a woman is to not let her put you into the friend category until things have
gone to a level that is beyond friendship exclusively. To a girl it has been my experience that friend is opposite
of sex. I am not saying not to be a girls friend and that it is bad to be her friend. I am just saying that if you
try to get into a girls pants by being her friend and solving her problems ect....you are likely to be let down. I
think anyone who says otherwise is full of crap...that being said...my own parents started off as friends. It is
possible....but if your game is to be a friend and solve her problems and be her little girlfriend in hopes of her
appreciating it,....than you have no game. That is my point. I learned that point the hard way...many times....a
long time ago.
Gegogi
09-29-2005, 04:04 PM
"I think the older you get
the more likely that this can happen...."
Perhaps, as I am much more patient, confident and urges are
generally less, er, urgent than when I was a young upstart. I don't care much if she wants me or not and can just
as easily take it or leave it. Usually the female friend makes the first move although I certainly enjoy subjecting
her to a long drawn out enticement and tease. However, the women involved are usually much younger than me, so I
don't think age has much bearing on her predisposition to morph to a "friend with benefits" or even a full on
lover.
MC_KENNA
09-29-2005, 04:24 PM
Wow this is much to take in.
Gegogi youre right on. I'm just 18 and doing some experimenting. I am already a "good friend" in her book but it
seems the way you are talking about it that it amounts to basically nothing. I'm going to give the SOE a try just
to curb any awkwardness, but for next time, I am going to try something a little more powerful. Ive been dating
this girl for like 6 months and nothing is happening. My friend has a lot of other guy friends who are interested
in her and says "shes not ready for a boyfriend" to everyone. What would be a good mone or otherwise to give me that
"edge" :) if you know what I mean?
Just from what Ive said, do any of you know this pattern of behavior or
possibly what she might be thinking?
Thanks you guys are a huge help!
Gegogi
09-29-2005, 05:31 PM
"Just from what Ive said,
do any of you know this pattern of behavior or possibly what she might be thinking?"
Some younger women
don't want a steady boyfriend because they have ambitions--college, career, etc.--and don't want to be tied down
too soon. Some do it on moral grounds (Christian values). It's actually a smart plan if they have the discipline
and self control, but frustrating for lovesick young bucks.
Being that you already know her well you have
little to lose at this point. I thought this was a first date. Don a few dabs of NPA and gently tease and entice
her. Don't demand sex, suddenly grab her, act needy, desperate or overly cocky. Play it cool--make sure she knows
you have a life--but let her see the possibilities. If you play her right, eventually she'll begin to think of you
as a both a man and a friend. At that point you can make your move.
oscar
09-29-2005, 05:47 PM
MC_KENNA,
At age 18 an
application of 6-10 inches of SOE spread over wrists, neck, and chest will probably be of benefit to you on your
date. It's certainly not going to hurt. If this doesn't turn the trick then maybe you might consider trying a very
light application of something with A-None, such as NPA, TE, or even AFA on your next outing. Perhaps even something
with a more subtle a-None content, like Chikara.
There can be quite a difference between the optimal A-None
applications of an 18 yo and an older guy, and quite possibly the ideal amount for you, depending on your physical
presence, persona, and metabolism, could well be little to none.
It's also best to experiment with one product
at a time to get a handle on its effects, so again, the SOE sounds like a good idea.
What puzzles me is how so
many members (some of whose pheromone experience is barely more extensive than the shelf life of a dozen eggs) would
immediately start preaching, predicting, and prescribing other mones besides the one you sought advice for, without
so much as asking ONE single question about you! As though you had made a bad choice when they had no real inkling
whatsoever about your individual circumstances. They never even asked your age! Amazing!
Oscar :)
belgareth
09-29-2005, 06:15 PM
Good observations Oscar.
jollysnowdevil
09-29-2005, 06:44 PM
What
puzzles me is how so many members (some of whose pheromone experience is barely more extensive than the shelf life
of a dozen eggs) would immediately start preaching, predicting, and prescribing other mones besides the one you
sought advice for, without so much as asking ONE single question about you! As though you had made a bad choice when
they had no real inkling whatsoever about your individual circumstances. They never even asked your age! Amazing!
Oscar :)
amazing is right but not shocking Oscar. you should how hyped people can get over a
certain product when they first start seeing success. npa and chikara are the products of the month right now.
months ago you never heard much positive feedback about them. now a few people have posted success stories and they
are booming. next month it will be a different product.
Gegogi
09-29-2005, 06:53 PM
Judging from his question, I was
pretty darn sure he was a teenager. Nevertheless, even older men can be 'none rich, e.g., Belgareth, so every
individual has to experiment until they find their mark.
I suspect I've always been 'none deficient, even
as a young upstart.
DUKE3100
09-30-2005, 05:59 AM
"The women involved are usually
much younger than me."
In your line of work I would imagine the only approach you can effectively take is to be
her friend and hope for something more.
As far as my age comment I think that the older people get the more
they appreciate friendship and the less important looks and materialistic things matter. Good sex and chemistry is
important but with age it becomes less crucial. I dont thing increased confidence with age is a reason....in fact
increased confidence results in not settling for a friend role if you want more....if your confident you will go for
it and be fine with the results either way and if the result is not what your looking for you move on cause there
are many other options.
So I am not sure where you are coming from on that.
I will stick by my belief though
and that belief is that 8 times out of ten if a girl says you are a friend and you have not been sexually involved
with her....you might as well stop wasting your time. When a girl says your just her friend or a friend and you have
not been involved in any other capacity....that is her way of saying that she is not interested in you sexually. I
will stand by that till the end. Anyone who says otherwise fooling themselves. You can hope all you want that she
will change her mind down the road...you can take her out to eat...you can buy her flowers...you can write love
notes if you want...but chances are in the end....your the fool aka sucker. In a perfect world you can just be nice
and romantic and buy her things and be a great friend and her shrink and a shoulder to cry on....and you will walk
off into the sunset. Thats not how it is and anyone who thinks it is has no real clue. Period. I am done. Thats how
it is whether anyone likes it or not.
jollysnowdevil
09-30-2005, 09:25 AM
what if she currently is
involved with somebody else? i've seen this situation pop up a million times where as soon as the prior
relationship is over the friend takes over the boyfriend role. love doesn't simply happen overnight, sometimes
people are friends for a long time before they realize "wait a second we can have sex"
DUKE3100
09-30-2005, 09:37 AM
"what if she currently is
involved with somebody else?"
If a girl TRUELY wants to be sexually involved with you MORE than her current
boyfriend than usually she will leave him for you or cheat on him with you. Most of the time girls will complain
about their current boyfriend to her "friends" including guy friends.....the guy friend then thinks he has a way
in...he doesnt. The girl may complain about the guy but if she stays with him there is something he is doing for her
because he is the one getting to go to bed with her and your not. It can happen the way you describe....thats how it
happened for my parents....but it is very rare and usually a waste of time. If a girl is complaining to you about
her boyfriend or she always wants to talk about her problems to you and she tells you what a great friend you
are....you have a steep and uphill climb partner. you can learn and accept that now...or live in denial like I used
to...but in the end you will see I am right....even if its later rather than sooner. I used to be a sucker and in
the same boat as some of you guys...but honestly....if your so sure that these girls that are "friends" of yours are
going to become more than that then why dont you test out your theory and come on to them and stop pretending to be
something your not. To me its creepy to try to sneak in the back door by being and friend if you want more than
that... and I *know* its creepy to a girl. Show your cards and be men.
MOBLEYC57
09-30-2005, 09:47 AM
In the world of MALE & FEMALE,
ANYTHING is possible. :thumbsup: Never underestimate the power of want/desire, especially with those that haven't
learned to master/control that yearning. :trout:
"Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn"
... who said that!? :think:
Kenna ... like everything else, you have to use common sense with your applications
(even thought common sense AIN'T that common) ... unscented SOE it won't turn her off, if you as me, but applying
the entire bottle could make that possible. :POKE:
belgareth
09-30-2005, 11:19 AM
You describe a situation where
the guy is buying flowers and taking her out to eat in an attempt to convert friendship to romance. You call it
creepy and I agree on that point. However, there are those of us who are pretty much indifferent to whether or not
anything more than friendship ever develops. I think Gegogi sees it this way and I certainly do. We aren't trying
to romance her or anything of the sort. It is a real friendship. We hang out together or enjoy a hobby together or
share a work environment. But we honestly enjoy the other's company just for their company. I've had several of
those turn into "with benefits" or romantic type relationships with no intent on my part.
DUKE3100
09-30-2005, 11:32 AM
I agree....I love girls that
are just friends. It is unlike anything else you could have and every guy should have at least one good friend that
is a woman or they are missing out on a great part of life. If you are trying to turn a friendship that is not
sexual into something more though....it is probably a waste of time.:thumbsup:
Gegogi
09-30-2005, 12:01 PM
The key is, don't try too hard.
If you want it too bad you might score a mercy fuck but lose or damage the friendship. The relationship has to
naturally evolve. And usually that takes time--months, even years in some cases.
belgareth
09-30-2005, 12:43 PM
I agree....I
love girls that are just friends. It is unlike anything else you could have and every guy should have at least one
good friend that is a woman or they are missing out on a great part of life. If you are trying to turn a friendship
that is not sexual into something more though....it is probably a waste of time.:thumbsup:
I never said
to try at all, that was the whole point.
MC_KENNA
09-30-2005, 01:18 PM
Ok, well thanks. I'm heading
out now.
Since we are so young, I think I have differing views on relationships than do some of you veterans. I
know that she is physically attracted to me, but she's kinda of a workaholic and what with college and all, so she
is taking some time off to focus on that stuff. She is kept on a short leash by her family. Come the end of that
process, and things might change.
Perhaps I'm being naive, but ive head it said that very often lovers start
out as friends. And since she was kinda coming on to me but then backed off, I'm just hoping for a chance to show
her. Even so, its nice to have her as a friend. So im thinking of this as an experiment of sorts, if she wants to
remain boyfriendless, so be it. But im just going to experiment for a little while and see if something happens!
DUKE3100
09-30-2005, 02:01 PM
"I think I have differing views
on relationships than do some of you veterans."
I dont think anyone can ever claim to be a veteran when it comes
to women...they are way too unpredictable. Anyways
Good luck!!
Its not impossible...especially if there has been
physical contact as you say....play hard to get.
:cheers:
Gegogi
09-30-2005, 02:24 PM
"I dont think anyone can
ever claim to be a veteran when it comes to women...they are way too unpredictable."
Most
relationship problems revolve about vastly different expections and goals. If you're not too dumb, self-centered or
closed minded, you eventually figure out the most important things. It's amazing the things that don't mean jack
to a man can be everything to a woman. Once you've learned the ropes she is not only unpredictable, but can be
molded like putty (although it's likely she had you figured out long ago). So hanging with female friends,
especially those that remain true friends, can be extremely beneficial from an educational viewpoint. Most guys
haven't a clue what's going on in those pretty little heads.
DUKE3100
09-30-2005, 02:46 PM
"Once you've learned the ropes
she is not only unpredictable, but can be molded like putty "
Yea and just when you start to admire the mold of
putty...it will morph into a big ol hammer and smash ya in the head! LOL....course thats what we love about em...I
just love the game.
To me its creepy to
try to sneak in the back door by being and friend if you want more than that... and I *know* its creepy to a girl.
Show your cards and be men.
I'm kind of in the same situation at the moment. We were 'mates' for ages
and then I started to fancy her but we were still doing 'matey' things. I felt guilty about it but hung in there
as I didnt have the bottle to tell her how I felt.
Watcher
10-02-2005, 09:30 PM
many friendships at once with hot
chicks is a good idea
DUKE3100
10-03-2005, 06:26 AM
many
friendships at once with hot chicks is a good idea
That will sometimes work to attract some of
your female friends towards you as they start to associate you with attraction but what you all need to keep in mind
here is that it all depends on the nature of your friendship and what the friendship is built on. If it is a girl
guy friendship with some physical contact and it behaves much more like boyfriend girlfriend than it is not as much
of a barier but if you have a friendship with a girl and it is no different then that girls friendship would be with
you if say.....you were a girl....than your probably best to not try to make it something it is not. Your best to
show your sexuality and cards to a girl as soon as possible my friends. Its not a very good strategy to try to come
at it from the friend angle unless you are behaving like a potential lover or more than a friend towards her early
on. Besides that it is a very creepy and insecure way to go about things. Girls are not like us. With us guys if a
good looking girl also makes a good friend it is a bonus....with girls friends are in a totally different category
than lovers. Its kinda like either you like the Yankees or the Redsox.....its rare to like them both. Got it?
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