wagg or soe?? ordering tomorrow

[Makoshark]

Good post

above, Icehawk...

Some things I would like to add:

WAGG makes you more approachable in my opinion than SOE.

People who you dont know you well will go up to you more so with WAGG on.

SOE raises peoples moods generally and

makes people laugh at your jokes harder. On the other hand, I find WAGG is at best neutral in the mood department,

although it definitely relaxes people well.

SOE can make people act silly - socialising and laughing but not too

much on deep conversations. WAGG on the other hand is better at making 'confess' what they have been thinking and

havent told you yet - I guess it is better for deep conversations.

SOE is better in my opinion for making

friends and getting people to invite you to social events.

An advantage that WAGG has over SOE is that it

doesnt convert at all to A-none whereas SOE (the A-nol in it anyway) does. Given that I have the Clint Eastwood

Effect going on as well, I find that even when there is a bit of A-none in the air (as SOE was applied a few hours

ago) I get decreased responsiveness from younger women whereas with my favourite WAGG combo (WAGG:NPA/w 2 drops

each), I would get clear relaxed responsiveness and eye contact the entire time, even many hours after

application...

SOE makes you appear like a social and fun guy... WAGG makes you appear like a trustworthy nice

guy...

Visionary


Since Wagg's pheromones aren't known...how do we know that there's NO a-nol

in there to convert? Hypothetically?

[Visionary7903]

After using WAGG without

any -Nol products I can report that I really miss the social punch that the -Nol products like SOE provide. In my

opinion WAGG is really good for making a lot of acquiantances but not particularly effective for making friends. On

the other hand, both Beta-Nol and Alpha-Nol are great mones if you want people to invite you for social events, hang

out with you, etc.

On the other hand, the lack of social punch that WAGG provides may be an advantage in that

you don't have people who you don't really like wanting to be your friend, hanging around you all the time, etc.

Also, i guess with WAGG you can add to a woman's comfort level without her wanting to be just friends. For example,

I might be wearing a mix of A1, WAGG, and Pheros, and the girl I am on a date with might be feeling really

comfortable around me but does not 'pidgeon-hole' me as a 'friend' - I added a dab of NPA/m half way through a

second date and kiss closed such a situation but the mones may not have been a major factor anyway:lovestruc




Keep in mind guys that I generally dont wear Androstenone products with my mixes these days generally so that

might change the dynamic. :type:

Visionary

[Premizen]

Also, i

guess with WAGG you can add to a woman's comfort level without her wanting to be just friends.

Do you

think it could be the same with SOE, though? I would not like to get something like LJBF on a date, lol. I ordered

most of the popular 'mones (like 9 different ones), but WAGG not included. What should I wear on a first or second

date?

[Visionary7903]

Hi Premizen

as I said

I dont wear A-none with the comfort mones so that might make a difference. SOE ON ITS OWN can definitely make you

appear too much as a 'good friend' for a girl. On the other hand, it's major constituent, Alpha-Nol has been

shown to raise luteneizing hormone (LH) in women. Added with -None, and the 'friend signal' from SOE goes mostly

out the window for me and there is more tension which may not be a great thing for a first date.

I also think

A1 is an essential when going out on the first or second dates - the girl is pretty much guaranteed to get a mood

lift, be relaxed around you, have a feeling of intimacy, and like being around you, which augers very well for a

follow-up date. If A1 makes your mood go downhill, just spray Realm/m to counterract this effect.

I mean it all

depends on what works for you. Some guy was saying that he had best results using just SOE on the first date so that

a girl doesn't feel that he was trying to get into her pants too quickly (A-none products may contribute to this

'paranoid' belief from women). I agree with the philosophy of keeping -None at a minimum on the first one or two

dates until you feel that you have tried everything in your comfort mones arsenal and she is completely comfortable

and trusting of you - meanwhile you follow most of the simple seduction rules like not being a supplicator, etc. and

be at your best conversationally. Then, if she doesn't seem to respond to any physical advances, I may try to add

some -None to push the envelope and turn up the heat. Keep in mind that I do have the Clint Eastwood / Lone Wolf

effect going on and am targeting women aged about 20-32.

On the other hand, if you met the girl while you were

wearing -None and she is interested then I would definitely keep going with the -None (even on a first date) as she

is obviously receptive to it. Hispanic, Black, and older white women are ment to be more receptive to -None but

there are no hard and fast rules.

Visionary




Do you think it could be the same with

SOE, though? I would not like to get something like LJBF on a date, lol. I ordered most of the popular 'mones (like

9 different ones), but WAGG not included. What should I wear on a first or second date?

[Cloud9]

After using WAGG without

any -Nol products I can report that I really miss the social punch that the -Nol products like SOE provide. In my

opinion WAGG is really good for making a lot of acquiantances but not particularly effective for making friends. On

the other hand, both Beta-Nol and Alpha-Nol are great mones if you want people to invite you for social events, hang

out with you, etc.


No one knows if there is Anol in WAGG or not..no information has ever been

released for the product.

[Visionary7903]

Cloud9



the

ingredients in WAGG are not known but for what it's worth IMHO I DOUBT it contains any significant quantity of

Alpha or Beta-Nol. I have a lot of experience with SOE (a mainly Alpha-Nol) product and recently started using

another Beta-Nol product. I can definitely tell that people seem more interested in the social aspect with the -Nols

as opposed to just WAGG alone. WAGG is all about approachability and being someone who you feel comfortable around

but the -Nols are all about socialising and actually being someone people can be friends with (though in different

ways b/w alpha and beta-nols).



Anyway perhaps there is some compound related to Alpha or Beta-Nol in WAGG

but it is definitely not one of these two in my opinion!



Visionary




No one knows

if there is Anol in WAGG or not..no information has ever been released for the product.

[oscar]

No one knows if there

is Anol in WAGG or not..no information has ever been released for the product.

Cloud9,

Not quite

correct.
At the time of it's release in early 2003 Bruce posted the following information that was given to him by

KZI, the manufacturers of WAGG:

All I can tell you at present is that there is absolutely none of any

of the pheromones you have ever used before, which shows you the change of direction here.
Bruce



(That's from this

post (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=49065&highlight=WAGG#post49065) in the post-beta phase WAGG

introductory thread. (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11832&goto=nextnewest))

At that point in the timeline, Androstenone, alpha-Androstenol, Androsterone, and

Androstadienone were all disclosed components of existing products, and/or "free-standing" pheromones available for

sale on Love-Scent, thus precluding alpha-Androstenol as being one of the components of WAGG. (WAGG-N followed some

time later.)

A subsequent search revealed that beta-Androstenol had NOT been mentioned as a probable component

of any marketed products as of the time this information was posted, thus beta-Nol MAY be one of the components of

WAGG.

Kind of ironic that I KNEW the answer here, but nonetheless took the time to research it, while you

DIDN'T have the information but carelessly chose to reply anyway.

No one is expected to know EVERYTHING

that's ever been posted on these forums, but then neither is it expected that someone would PRETEND that they do.



Please try to avoid hitting the reply button until you know that what you plan to post will stand up to scrutiny.


Posting a lot is is an annoyance that in itself probably won't get you banned. Posting carelessly will.

Oscar

:)

[Cloud9]

even the older posters on here

said that the information had never been released..I took it that they knew what they were talking about since they

have been on longer than i have.

the only thing wrong with my reply was the fact that i said no information has

been released about it...even knowing what we know now...we still have no idea whats in WAGG.

[Sigma]

I just placed an order for WAGG

today. I'm almost out of SOE (spilled about half a bottle while preparing a batch 2 months ago), so I'm needing a

lighter product to off-set all the none-whoring I do in my mixes. I almost bought another bottle of SOE because I

honestly love the stuff, but after going through my second bottle I felt the urge to try something new.



Searching around the forum made me realize that there isn't much input on WAGG around here. Some of the guys

posted some really helpful stuff about WAGG, but there aren't enough different perspectives on it as I would have

liked. Anyway, I'll keep you guys posted on how I do.

Currently I have available: 1/4 bottle SOE,

Perception, NPA, A314, A1, Chikara, AE, and TE. Any suggestions on where to start "wagging"? I was thinking

WAGG+NPA+A1. Sounds like a killer date combo.

[DUKE3100]

I just placed an

order for WAGG today. I'm almost out of SOE (spilled about half a bottle while preparing a batch 2 months ago), so

I'm needing a lighter product to off-set all the none-whoring I do in my mixes. I almost bought another bottle of

SOE because I honestly love the stuff, but after going through my second bottle I felt the urge to try something

new.

Searching around the forum made me realize that there isn't much input on WAGG around here. Some of the

guys posted some really helpful stuff about WAGG, but there aren't enough different perspectives on it as I would

have liked. Anyway, I'll keep you guys posted on how I do.

Currently I have available: 1/4 bottle SOE,

Perception, NPA, A314, A1, Chikara, AE, and TE. Any suggestions on where to start "wagging"? I was thinking

WAGG+NPA+A1. Sounds like a killer date combo.

Sigma you have alot of products to play with. I was hoping

you could offer us some of your personal experiences with how some of the products differ such as Chikara and

A314....What makes a bigger difference to a combo A1 or A314?

[Sigma]

Sigma you have

alot of products to play with. I was hoping you could offer us some of your personal experiences with how some of

the products differ such as Chikara and A314....What makes a bigger difference to a combo A1 or A314?



hmm. As far as Chikara and A314, I find that the hits that come from Chikara + NPA/PI are very similar to that

which comes from wearing something like A314+NPA+SOE....people around you tend to get so submissive that its almost

creepy sometimes. A sense of a dominance, however, is a very attractive quality to the females, and there is an

obvious attraction to me being the center of the group when females are around and I'm wearing these mixes. If I

had to speculate, I'd have to say that Chikara, while containing a lot of different mones, is more heavily

concentrated on the rone side..much like A314, though far less concentrated. Chikara also seems more social than

A314, probably because of the -nol levels in Chikara. Chikara is a very good all around product, but alone it seems

a bit too tamed since I'm Asian and require quite a bit of none....NPA is a must with both products for me. A314

seems a bit edgier than Chikara, and its easier to control the respect type vibe with it, so I'll usually choose

A314 and SOE, over Chikara alone. I do like Chikara as a midday re-application mone though, when I'm not carrying

a pre-mixed batch of something else.

As for A314 and A1...its hard to say which makes a bigger difference, since

they're such different mones. A314, again, creates that respectful submissive vibe, while A1 tends to make women

more flirty and receptive. The going theory behind A1 around the forums is that it makes women feel more

comfortable around you and opens intimate pathways...I think that in more casual situations, that sense of comfort

opens women up to more readily act on their attraction to you, and more ready flirt with you as a result. I'd say

that if I had to choose between A314 and A1 strictly for the purpose of attracting women, I'd choose A1. They're

both good products in their merit however, and I've actually had some success wearing them together. I saw more

positive reactions to A1 when I first started using it and wore about 6 drops of it at half strength. The negative

effects do take hold of you at those levels however, and I felt kinda tired or lazy sometimes. Realm works really

well at counter-acting these effects, though. I just got tired of the smell of realm.

hope this helps

[DUKE3100]

That was a

great bit of information you provided. Thank you for taking the time to provide that.

[Sigma]

no problem

[itwow]

hmm. As far as

Chikara and A314, I find that the hits that come from Chikara + NPA/PI are very similar to that which comes from

wearing something like A314+NPA+SOE....people around you tend to get so submissive that its almost creepy sometimes.

A sense of a dominance, however, is a very attractive quality to the females, and there is an obvious attraction to

me being the center of the group when females are around and I'm wearing these mixes. If I had to speculate, I'd

have to say that Chikara, while containing a lot of different mones, is more heavily concentrated on the rone

side..much like A314, though far less concentrated. Chikara also seems more social than A314, probably because of

the -nol levels in Chikara. Chikara is a very good all around product, but alone it seems a bit too tamed since

I'm Asian and require quite a bit of none....NPA is a must with both products for me. A314 seems a bit edgier than

Chikara, and its easier to control the respect type vibe with it, so I'll usually choose A314 and SOE, over Chikara

alone. I do like Chikara as a midday re-application mone though, when I'm not carrying a pre-mixed batch of

something else.

As for A314 and A1...its hard to say which makes a bigger difference, since they're such

different mones. A314, again, creates that respectful submissive vibe, while A1 tends to make women more flirty and

receptive. The going theory behind A1 around the forums is that it makes women feel more comfortable around you and

opens intimate pathways...I think that in more casual situations, that sense of comfort opens women up to more

readily act on their attraction to you, and more ready flirt with you as a result. I'd say that if I had to choose

between A314 and A1 strictly for the purpose of attracting women, I'd choose A1. They're both good products in

their merit however, and I've actually had some success wearing them together. I saw more positive reactions to A1

when I first started using it and wore about 6 drops of it at half strength. The negative effects do take hold of

you at those levels however, and I felt kinda tired or lazy sometimes. Realm works really well at counter-acting

these effects, though. I just got tired of the smell of realm.

hope this helps

You still

holding on to the WAGG? What do you think of this combo?

A314 + WAGG + A-1?

Respect + Great Guy +

Comfort? Slide in NPA when it is about time.

[Sigma]

You still holding on

to the WAGG? What do you think of this combo?

A314 + WAGG + A-1?

Respect + Great Guy + Comfort? Slide in NPA

when it is about time.

I was messing with WAGG + A1 combos for a while, and I'm kind of suspecting that

WAGG has quite a bit of A1 in it. It felt like too much of a comfort/nice guy overkill for me....to the point that

people seemed to act almost condescendingly towards me. It felt way off, especially since mones usually keep my

comfortably in a dominant position in a group. I would only recommend mixing A1 and WAGG to those who have a serious

case of the lonewold syndrome.

A314 + WAGG + NPA is the way to go. It's a very sophisticated, "warm and

fuzzy" kind of mix...a very good conversational type of mix that, when worn in the right settings, can open up women

more personally and intimately. I don't wear it often since the social buzz that SOE creates is better in every day

settings, but anytime I know I've got some one on one time with a lady, I'll slab this mix on.

[itwow]

I've tried A314 + WAGG + NPA

before, but this combo didn't work well for me. It seems to amplify my lone-wolf syndrome, no hits, only

intimidation. Increasing WAGG dosages on this combo was a waste when I tried it, just didn't work for me.

[Sigma]

I've tried A314 +

WAGG + NPA before, but this combo didn't work well for me. It seems to amplify my lone-wolf syndrome, no hits, only

intimidation. Increasing WAGG dosages on this combo was a waste when I tried it, just didn't work for me.



A314 and npa is probably creating too much of a dominant vibe for your body's natural chemistry. If thats the

case, and a lot of mixes create that sense of intimidation, then WAGG+A1 might work well to buffer the lone-wolf

syndrome. I know Visionary commented on regularly mixing WAGG with A1 and such, maybe he can shed more light on how

to effectively use the two than I can.

I have a natural easy going personality, and usually get along and make

friends with people rather easily. I'm quite the opposite of the lone wolf, but its also lead me to being dumped in

the LJBF pile quite a few times in the past. I like the benefits WAGG presents to me when the time is right, but

I've been using SOE on a more frequent basis. Just as a lot of guys have to be careful when using none (while I

benefit from using a lot of it), I find that I have to be careful applying WAGG. I think a typical WAGG OD consists

of condescending behavior, indifference, or unresponsiveness from others. That's what I've noticed anyway.

I

think this example of our experiences really re-iterates the point that everybody is different and there are no

universally successful products or mixes...and that experimentation is the only route to finding what works and what

doesn't.

Anyway thats kinda off-point. Just thought I'd share.

[itwow]

Tried this combo

today

[A314 : 3 dabs] + [WAGG : 6 dabs] + [A-1 : 1 dab]

Lots of eye-contact from middle-aged Asians

(35-40 y.o. females). The eye contact doesn't last as long as when I use NPA/w. With NPA/w, they give a delighted

smile. Kind of like when you smile more with your eyes type, rather than with the lips (this happens a lot with

strangers). They wait for a moment for my response & get on with whatever they're doing if I don't

reciprocate.

A314 gives attention but in a different way. They would look & steal glances but with no

expression whatsoever. Nothing from the eyes or face at all (not admiration but not contempt also). Like they were

hiding it (or maybe they weren't). Too early to tell as the day is not over. Plus, I read A314 works in mysterious

& sneaky ways (surfs_up). Didn't spend enough time with anyone today to observe this aspect.

A314 effects on

self : Makes my body temp rise. I was sweating all over during the 1st hour or so. Seems to increase the pace of

everything I do. More driven, so to speak. I won't wear it on a hot day.

I remember in hindsight, that NPA/w

(2 dabs) does work with one young Asian (24-28 y.o. females) but it doesn't show on the outside (not at all).

However, when I hit the sack with her, she took the initiative almost straight away. Helping to undress me while

undressing herself, even forgot her one shoe :D (that was something new for me, plus she was on top most of the

time, & when it's over, asked me whether I was impressed). Shessh, I thought I was the one doing the conquest!

Could be attributed to sexual experience/inhibitions, her cycle of the month etc. Or older females just doesn't

care & flirt away.

For the past 1 week, I have been testing NPA/w & A314 heavily. I noticed that from time to

time, my voice changed to a richer & more resonant tone when I speak. Sometimes it was consciously done but at

times, no.

[Sigma]

Tried this combo

today

[A314 : 3 dabs] + [WAGG : 6 dabs] + [A-1 : 1 dab]

Lots of eye-contact from middle-aged Asians (35-40

y.o. females). The eye contact doesn't last as long as when I use NPA/w. With NPA/w, they give a delighted smile.

Kind of like when you smile more with your eyes type, rather than with the lips (this happens a lot with strangers).

They wait for a moment for my response & get on with whatever they're doing if I don't reciprocate.

A314 gives

attention but in a different way. They would look & steal glances but with no expression whatsoever. Nothing from

the eyes or face at all (not admiration but not contempt also). Like they were hiding it (or maybe they weren't).

Too early to tell as the day is not over. Plus, I read A314 works in mysterious & sneaky ways (surfs_up). Didn't

spend enough time with anyone today to observe this aspect.

A314 effects on self : Makes my body temp rise. I

was sweating all over during the 1st hour or so. Seems to increase the pace of everything I do. More driven, so to

speak. I won't wear it on a hot day.

I remember in hindsight, that NPA/w (2 dabs) does work with one young

Asian (24-28 y.o. females) but it doesn't show on the outside (not at all). However, when I hit the sack with her,

she took the initiative almost straight away. Helping to undress me while undressing herself, even forgot her one

shoe :D (that was something new for me, plus she was on top most of the time, & when it's over, asked me whether I

was impressed). Shessh, I thought I was the one doing the conquest! Could be attributed to sexual

experience/inhibitions, her cycle of the month etc. Or older females just doesn't care & flirt away.

For the

past 1 week, I have been testing NPA/w & A314 heavily. I noticed that from time to time, my voice changed to a

richer & more resonant tone when I speak. Sometimes it was consciously done but at times, no.

nice!

looks like you might do well without npa eh?

[itwow]

nice! looks like you

might do well without npa eh?
A314 does work but in very different ways when compared to NPA/w. I have

observed NPA/w gives a more "sexual theme", but only when the interaction leads to sexual activities (more

initiative/aggressive, orgasms from females etc). NPA/w won't illicit sexual behavior outright, at least not from

the younger females (<30 y.o) in Asia. This led me to try other -mones (-nol & -rone) as wearing -none daily won't

yield anything under most social settings.

So far, I have a working mix for older females (>35 y.o, use NPA/w

or A314) & young females (18-24 y.o Chikara + SoE). A working mix for the other age bracket (25-34 y.o) seems

elusive.

BTW, when using NPA/w or A314, I have seen more flashes of cleavage than most days (it's not common

here). Some women sure know how to use their assets, but it's not for everyone to see.

[Visionary7903]

Hey Sigma :wave:

I

think A1 and WAGG do work in different ways. For me, A1 kind of creates a barrier between some guys and me when worn

everyday. It's not that they are aggressive or hostile towards me it's just that wearing it for more than one day

in a row seems to make them avoid being as friendly with me (buildup issues? - btw I use 1 full-strength bottle A1

drop a day). Part of the problem may be my own change in behaviour from wearing A1 - I kind of dont feel like

hanging around men as much with it on - it might be like a response to the fact that I get treated so much better by

women than men with it on. A1 is still well worth wearing though for the 'comfort/relaxed' type effect it has on

women (though i dont like to wear it everyday anymore in the office as there are more men there than before).



WAGG on the other hand rarely if ever results in any negatives on guys (or women for that matter). I notice WAGG

being especially useful to me in a staff gathering. Even with SOE on people would not turn to me often and talk to

me. On the other hand when I have WAGG on I am guaranteed to have people turning to me and having conversations with

me with very little effort on my part (I am thinking that SOE doesn't do the same job at destroying the 'lone

wolf' effect that I project). A1 on the other hand results in the women in the staff gathering having conversations

with me and generally gravitating towards me whereas the boys will talk amongst themselves.

On the other hand,

too much WAGG will cause a harmless disrespect as any OD on a 'comfort' mone will be it SOE, beta-Nol, and A1

particularly if there is no -None or -Rone applied as well. Some people simply see you as a 'lightweight' (someone

lacking in authority) if you wear these mones.

itwow good to see your experimentation on NPA/w and

A314.:thumbsup: I havent noticed much from NPA/w but now that you have mentioned its possible effect in enhancing

sex it might be worth trying. I mean we all know -None and NPA/m to be best at enhancing sex but then you get all

the problems that come with wearing these (for me). So it might be something to try (NPA/w) without the baggage.



Keep writing reports on these two especially on A314. I am also wondering if any Lone Wolves out there have tried

Chikara at VERY SMALL DOSAGES (say 1/2 spray or 1/4 spray applications) or IMPI.:think:

Visionary




A314 and npa is probably creating too much of a dominant vibe for your body's natural chemistry. If

thats the case, and a lot of mixes create that sense of intimidation, then WAGG+A1 might work well to buffer the

lone-wolf syndrome. I know Visionary commented on regularly mixing WAGG with A1 and such, maybe he can shed more

light on how to effectively use the two than I can.

I have a natural easy going personality, and usually get

along and make friends with people rather easily. I'm quite the opposite of the lone wolf, but its also lead me to

being dumped in the LJBF pile quite a few times in the past. I like the benefits WAGG presents to me when the time

is right, but I've been using SOE on a more frequent basis. Just as a lot of guys have to be careful when using

none (while I benefit from using a lot of it), I find that I have to be careful applying WAGG. I think a typical

WAGG OD consists of condescending behavior, indifference, or unresponsiveness from others. That's what I've

noticed anyway.

[itwow]

A-1 (half-strength bottle)

: I prefer A-1 to SoE when socializing with women. It relaxes the women, makes the conversation easy & carefree

(just need to ask the right questions). Super nice when used to calm irate female suctomers. I'm not affected by

A-1 when using moderate amounts (< 6 dabs).

SoE/u : I get continuous yawns (sleepy) after 2-3 hours,

used it for insomnia before (sorry JVK). Sometimes, it makes me go on yapping non-stop as well (poor me :LOL: ). But

it is indispensable when trying to attract the young crowd (<24 y.o). When used in OD amounts (>12"), I get endless

loving care from everyone (might be useful when I'm in trouble & need help).

Chikara : I'm seriously

considering breaking the bottle & pour the contents elsewhere. The spray is too inconsistent :frustrate When sprayed

slowly/lightly, the contents doesn't make it through the dispenser. Ends up leaking all over the small straw

(beneath the cap), dripping & staining my hands :mad: Risk contaminating other bottles as well. How do you get 1/4

or 1/2 a spray? :think:

WAGG : Buddy mone. Replaces A-1 when socializing with males. Works very well

with older males (more pats on the back). Indispensable when combo with NPA/w or A314 (will OD without WAGG). Did OD

once when used > 2-3 drops (spilled), the Malay lady (26-30 y.o) seemed a bit annoyed. Lasts for 10 hours on me,

faded cat pee smell still present, mild reactions from others. IIRC, the advice is to apply WAGG on clothes. Is this

considered a warning of some sort if applied on skin? I'm curious.

A314 : My voice changed to a more

resonant & richer tone when using this mone, although not consistently throughout the day. I'm very sure the change

is not due to NPA/w, as I've stopped using A314 & the voice-change stopped as well. Been using NPA/w for the past 2

days.