New Product Coming Soon!

[Bruce]

Guys,

It's been a while since we had any new products, much to my chagrin, but relief is near. Something

very cool will be here soon. Top notch product for guys. Keep an eye out here. :-)

Bruce

[MOBLEYC57]

Totally new, or something

that's been promised, BigB? :sick:

Tif it's new, can we get a hint as to what it's suppose to do? :blink:

[countesszero]

What about us Ladies. We

want something new too. How about a female version of Pheros. I'd buy it.:rofl:

The Countess
Peace Out

[NaughtieGirl]

What

about us Ladies. We want something new too. How about a female version of Pheros. I'd buy it.:rofl:

The

Countess
Peace Out
Yep, I'm playing around with the men's version. Trying to lighten it up a

bit.
Maybe a solution would be to get DST to tell us how many drops of which essential oil(s) to add to the men's

version?

For me the SOE gel in a tube would be great! That shouldn't be too hard to come up with? LOL I have an

SOE gel-scented invoice ledger right now! Closed the book on an open gel pack!!!

[NaughtieGirl]

Totally

new, or something that's been promised, BigB? :sick:

Tif it's new, can we get a hint as to what it's suppose

to do? :blink:
Yeah Bruce - give us a riddle! :lol: Mobes is very good at those!

[countesszero]

NaughtyGirl have you tried

Rose oil. It's really strong but perhaps a drop of that could take the edge off of the Pheros. I havent bought any

yet but am very tempted to do so. Hopefully DST will here our call. "We want a female version of Pheros". Please

:angel:

The Countess

[Bruce]

I have been working on a women's

companion product for Chikara for about 6 months now. We have a name, pheromones, label art, basic idea for the

fragrance; and I have been waiting for 4 months for samples from the lab. :-( We had so many problems with the

spray head, that I wasn't really in a big hurry for them anyway. Now that the spray head problem is cleared up, I

would like to see this product hit the market asap.

That's not what *this* new product is though. I have

exchanged a few private emails about this one, but I'm pretty sure I haven't discussed it openly on the forum.

It's quite a buzz to wear (personal experience) and I have gotten nothing but raves from users thus far.

B

[Sigfreed]

Bruce

Would you please

enlighten us on this product? Any more details about how it works and so on? Thanks, sounds interesting though.

[NaughtieGirl]

Where's the riddle? :box:

[MOBLEYC57]

Yeah Bruce -

give us a riddle! :lol: Mobes is very good at those!
:twisted: :trout: :lol:

[Holmes]

Cool!

Is this a multi-mone,

Chikara-type deal?

[countesszero]

Cool, a women's version of

Chikara. I'm all for it. Hey you could name it Chic-ara. Just kidding. Anywho hope the women's product comes out

soon. I'm having a great time with my pheromones. I have a mix that works for me. You should check out my Witches

Brew thread in the womens forum. My results are awesome.

The Countess
Peace Out

[Watcher]

This thread will be 1000 posts

long by the time this new product comes lol - i mean that in a popular what is it way not a delayed coming

way.

So im wondering does it have any "new compounds" ie new pheromone ingreidents or is it a combination of

existing compounds ie Anone Anol etc with a new fragrence, or a super concentrated thing or something like that -

anyway my order will be in with this new product just to give it a go.

Bruce can you tell us if its from an

existing LS supplier ie stone labs etc or a totally new player - could it be the next version of perception gold ?

platinum ? diamond lol ?

[mr.]

It sounds to me Bruce wants to keep

this on the low for now, with nothing but teasing so far.

Bruce, is it possible to become one of those users

that gives feedback on the mones you're testing? That'd be heaven; free mones that haven't come out yet.

:kiss:

[slick]

do you think it will be out end of

this month Bruce, i need to stock up on some liquid and i might as well order that as well.

[countesszero]

It sounds to me

Bruce wants to keep this on the low for now, with nothing but teasing so far.

Bruce, is it possible to become

one of those users that gives feedback on the mones you're testing? That'd be heaven; free mones that haven't

come out yet. :kiss:
Hey I want in on that deal too. Please use me as your test yummy, not dummy. Also I

can give really good feedback. I am honest and trustworthy.:angel:

The Countess
Peace Out

[tim929]

:lol: Don't give into pressure

Bruce...hold on to the secret until the unvailing...I love suspense and it's kinda fun to watch other people

squirm.:lol:

[Watcher]

Bruce can we have at least an

approx date when this new product might emerge ? mmmmm well keep the suspense coming - its good for sales.

[canivaro]

an unscented high -rone, no

-none 'thingy' would be awesome.

[Watcher]

unscented high rone no none thingy

0- yeah its called the Arone Chem set product - available already from LS.

[chrome]

Could you tell us if its a new

pheromone or is it a new compound of mones such as a none and nol combo?

[NaughtieGirl]

Yep, I'm

playing around with the men's version. Trying to lighten it up a bit.
Maybe a solution would be to get DST to tell

us how many drops of which essential oil(s) to add to the men's version?

For me the SOE gel in a tube would be

great! That shouldn't be too hard to come up with? LOL I have an SOE gel-scented invoice ledger right now! Closed

the book on an open gel pack!!!
Then again, tonight I dove into a gelpack of Alter Ego and that stuff

smells sooo good. :lovestruc So maybe AE gel in a bottle as well?

[Watcher]

AE spray on perhaps ?

[Bigman808]

Now you have me on the hook,

Bruce! Good for sales, I agree. If you need any testers, feel free to let me know! ;-)

[Michael909]

You drop this LiL seed,,,,,,, and all the speculation grows like weeds.
my hat is off to you (this is

like a REALLY good movie poster,that seys nothing)
I for one (amoung many, it seems)
am frotheing at the

mouth about this......
SO tjis is me :POKE: what CAN you tell and when?
:box::box::box::box::box::box::box:

:wave:
all hail Bruce, udaman

[gfunk]

Oooh, this is great news B!

Hopefully I can buy the unscented Chikara at the same time of order. My money is burning in my pocket right now :)

[Watcher]

Mmmm wiating for more news mmmm

tension rising lol

[NaughtieGirl]

Yeah

Bruce - give us a riddle! :lol: Mobes is very good at those!
This is ridiculous. It's a man's product

and even I cannot stand the suspense! That's women't curiosity for ya!

Where's our Wednesday's newsletter?

Are you working on a riddle to include in it?? Hmmmm??? Or as a post? Wouldn't it be fun to give us some enigmatic

clues and then see what people come up with? Hmmm???

[Michael909]

cant wait....
give more

details

[Sir Louis]

Yep, I'm

playing around with the men's version. Trying to lighten it up a bit.
Maybe a solution would be to get DST to

tell us how many drops of which essential oil(s) to add to the men's version?

For me the SOE gel in a tube

would be great! That shouldn't be too hard to come up with? LOL I have an SOE gel-scented invoice ledger right now!

Closed the book on an open gel pack!!!
Is Pheros sort of a Amouage lite in a way? What does it smell

like, floral?

[NaughtieGirl]

Is Pheros

sort of a Amouage lite in a way? What does it smell like, floral?It's hard for me to compare, because

Pheros is the men's version, which is why I need to work on it. My amouage samples, on the other hand are the

women's scents. Amouage/w is mostly floral, yes. Pheros/m definitely is not.

If you go to the Amouage website,

you can see a pyramid that lists the top notes, heart notes and base notes of their perfumes.

As to how to best

describe Pheros, the guys would do better, I'm sure it reacts differently to their skin than to mine.

[InternationalPlayboy]

Is

Pheros sort of a Amouage lite in a way? What does it smell like, floral?

My first impression of

Pheros was "woodshop." Not a bad thing, though it may sound like it. It reminded me of shop class in junior high

with the smell of the sawdust of all of the aromatic woods permeating the air. It's actually more complex than

that, but think woody smells as opposed to floral ones.

[belgareth]

Wood elf likes it on me. It is

an earthy scent she considers to be masculine. It was the scent I was wearing when we first met.

[Watcher]

is it a new mixture of pheros 2

?

[Bruce]

Here are some clues:

Yes, it

is a multi pheromone "new generation" super product like Chikara, but it is only slightly scented, drip on, oily

sort of a venture, somewhat Primal inspired in that respect, but with 6 pheromones. I am getting a disctinctly

unique effect using it myself, and honestly have a strong feeling this stuff is going to go over big with forum

folk.

B

[Watcher]

mmmmm 6 pheromones in one super

product like chikara - mouth waters and salivas etc looking forward to it - so when do we get more information ?

[Holmes]

My

first impression of Pheros was "woodshop." Not a bad thing, though it may sound like it.

Mine, too.

Sawdust.

It's definitely anything but bad. I'm addicted the drydown.

[MOBLEYC57]

I hope it's a under $ 5 mone.

:thumbsup: And if it's NGirl's fish oil, I AIN'T buying! :blink:

[Michael909]

now THATS what I'm

talking about....:thumbsup: 6 MONES wow. your right bruce, this will be BIG, and a slight scent to

it,,,,,HUMMMM
sounds good to me.. and from the sound of your post, you have already had the chance to try it

out...thats good.. the time frame for release must be close.
me :cheers: and a few pals are waiting for this. I

am the white lab rat for them ( I do all the testing) and would LOVE the chance to do some field test for you,

assumeing you do that sort of thing with newbies like my self.
I would be willing to throw my body in front of

beautyful women ( and plain ones too ) in the name of research, for the good of my fellow man,,, yea,, I'm a

giver...
this is me.....waiting:thumbsup:

[NaughtieGirl]

I hope

it's a under $ 5 mone. :thumbsup: And if it's NGirl's fish oil, I AIN'T buying! :blink:
:rofl: :rofl:

:rofl:


Havta give to ya - You're good!

[Watcher]

Id say its been tested and is at

the stage of almost being ready to cut lose on a unsuspecting public he he

Count me in for a bottle he he

[SyraBrian]

Great, new stuff to spend my

birthday money on! Are any of the six new 'mones, or are they a different mix of 'mones we're already familiar

with?

[Bruce]

3 of the pheromones are the standard

ones, same as Chikara; 1 of the remaining is known to me, only a little "strange", but not in common use in store

mixed products like this. The other 2 they won't tell me. :-) But I tend to believe there is something special

going on there, beyond the 4 pheromones I am familiar with.

B

[Bigman808]

Seriously, if you need

testers, hit me up! lol Anyway, this sounds like it ought to go over real well indeed, and if it's anything like

Chikara, I'll be waiting in line to buy a bottle. Any hints on release date?

[bjf]

I don't understand why we can't

just know what's coming soon.

[gfunk]

If you need a name, then here's

some suggestions:

Transpher "Increases the physical targeting range"

The Ramone

"Rock-star-sweat-sexy"

Lucipher "you want to intimidate? This one is for

you"

Pheromoan "pure sex attractant"

Pheromantic "instant relationship

builder"


And the winner iis:

PHERTILIZER!

"Has a

vague but distinct smell, no more people asking about catpee, rather the opposite, this one is for those who seeks

the pleasure of the "behind stimulation"

:) :)



Or more specifically, what's the name?



;)

[Bigman808]

hahahaha that's great! I

love the 'lucipher' one! Funny stuff, man, funny stuff! I think Bruce should come to you before naming his

products!

[noodlesnspam]

if i may go back to the

pheros topic a bit, i read earlier in the forums about how someone combined pheros with chikara and it worked well.

Can anyone comment on what this smells like to them and in your own opinion(if youve tried this) does it smell and

work better than chikara or pheros standalone?

[belgareth]

I used pheros with the "weak

scent" batch of Chikara. It worked nicely. Women seem to really appreciate the Pheros scent and the Chikara mones

are potent. After I ran out of the weak scent Chikara I discontinued the experiment and went on to other things.

[Watcher]

Mystery product x - well suspense

is building we have some info - a little bit more info tomorrow.

Will we have this product by may ?

[Bruce]

I am going to guess a week to 10

days, and it will be on sale.

B

[InternationalPlayboy]

I am

going to guess a week to 10 days, and it will be on sale.

B

How long do you expect to run the

sale price? I leave for vacation a week from tomorrow and would hate to miss out. I won't have Internet access

readily available (wish I had a laptop, my motel has free high speed hook ups), but I will jump on the trolley to

use a library computer or search for public access elsewhere if the sale is projected to end before I get home.

[Bruce]

As soon as I have a tracking number

in hand, I can start advanced sales. With a little luck I'll have that sometime next week.

B

[Watcher]

Cool thanks bruce - im going to

put an order in - any idea of price ie $40-$60 or $60-$80 a a rough guide ?

[Rbt]

Bruce - I hope you are getting a

large initial shipment... I have a hunch this little number is going to fly off the shelf. I'm saving my pennies up

too.

One other not-quite related question: I'd like to order up another item or two from the LS inventory, but

being a cheapo, I want to use a discount coupon, and take advantage of the free shipping option. I know you don't

want to discount things like the Beginner's Kit and other specials, and I suspect (I hope) you are going to give us

a special "new product" discount on this item. I'd like to just make one order to get the shipping and use the

discount coupon, but I don't know if you are set up to allow the coupon to just apply to the "regular" merchandise

and not the "specials" that you don't want to discount if I use the regular LS shopping cart (and I can undersatnd

why you want that. After all you gott eat too.) What's the best way to do a mixed order if I use a discount coupon

and the free ship option?

[belgareth]

Rbt,

That's a good

question. You should do it as a new thread in the customer service section. It will get a faster response. Bruce

usually reads those first and others if he has time.

[Rbt]

Rbt,

That's a

good question. You should do it as a new thread in the customer service section. It will get a faster response.

Bruce usually reads those first and others if he has time.
Will try to do so. Just thought it might work

here as well since Bruce is going to be announcing this new product soon and may be using this thread more often,

and there may be others with a similar question who don't check the other forum sections. I know I usually forget

to scan the others and spend most of my time here on the general pheromone section. Plus I hate adding to the

multitude of new threads. I've barely been able to make a dent in all these, much less threads on other parts of

the forum board! Whew!

:frustrate

[Watcher]

I do get the feeling this one is

going to run out of here - just sittign and waiting now for pricing and the other information.

[Bigman808]

hah yeah, I hope I'll be able

to get some before it goes flying before my eyes. Keep a few reserved for us slowpokes! :lol:

[Bruce]

We are getting 500 bottles

initially, which will probably sell quickly, but I think we can get a second run into the warehouse before the first

one runs out. These folks are pretty quick on the draw.

B

[thr3shold]

when? whenwhenwhen. I'm

quivering with an-tici---pation.

[Watcher]

SO do we get more details soon ?

[Rbt]

when? whenwhenwhen.

I'm quivering with an-tici---pation.
Calm down Dr. Frankenfurter...

(and wasn't that

"an-tiss--i-----------------------p ation?"

:hammer:

[Bruce]

Guys,

I think we may have a

tracking number by the end of the week.

Some super exciting news about this product surfaced today. With

this first shipment we will be getting 100 small vials of a new experimental phero-chemical. They look like about

2ml in size. The plan now is to throw one in free with the first 100 bottles sold.

Bruce

[Icehawk]

ok, where can we preorder and

also is the new stuff from the same company? Is it in any other product as of yet?

[gfunk]

Great news Bruce! :cheers:

I

would also want to pre-order this as soon as possible.

Thanx for all the good work you're doing! :)

[Michael909]

yo, B, what does

the price point look like,
from what I,,,, eerr WE ALL, have read so far, you sure makin it hard on us folks,tease

here, tease there,
:box::box::box::box::box::box::box: :wave:
yeah, you da MAN.so how about this, I wont ask

about price ( I'm worried enough as it is, dont get me wrong, you have some of the best prices on the net,but,dude

)
so I'll tack a different tack and ask, what kind of bottle will it be in, a spritser, a dauber( no,,,not Pam)

ANY BODY GET THAT?....and,or, what size?????

[Holmes]

a dauber(

no,,,not Pam)

The ltd. edition Orson Dispenser!

Perfect for me - a dork from New York.

[Icehawk]

Ohh yeah and when will the 'new

experimental phero-chemical' be available????

[DrSmellThis]

Bruce, Congratulations on your

new product! We are awash with anticipation!

[phersurf]

I want to order it

NOW!

Here's my credit card # - 4827 **** **** 9441

[Bigman808]

Are pre-orders available with

Money Order payment? Also, end of the week for the new product sounds awesome. Thanks for giving us the advanced

notice, Bruce! You are DA man! :cheers:

[nbnbtc]

Wow, Bruce you've got a good

thing going on here. I have a feeling that if you wanted to you could bottle your own sweat, sell it as a new phero

and it would fly off the shelf in no time! But seriously, congrads on the new product, and thank you for keeping the

new pheros coming!

[Watcher]

Any new info yet ?

[Watcher]

Any update bruce ? is it delayed

?

[Peter]

Waiting anxiously for it!!

[Bruce]

No news on shipment. Starting to

feel like next week now. This little hint will give the secret away to at least one person I know on this forum,

but the sales rep I have been dealing with is very pregnant and today is her due date (also the birthday of one of

my kids). She didn't respond to my voice mail of yesterday, which for her is unheard of, so I'm guessing we have

liftoff.

Bruce

[Icehawk]

Please, ohh secret person, come

forth with the knowledge one has recieved :)

....... PLEASE!

[Bigman808]

Happy b-day to your

kid!

This product seems to be getting better and better by the minute! Thanks for the update!

[NaughtieGirl]

:lol: This is

like the adult version of Christmas morning anticipation! :lol:

Meanwhile I'm so disappointed that it is a

men's product, that I went and ordered some alpha and beta androstenol from Bruce, so I can have some fun too!



Oh and while I'm waiting for those to arrive, I'll go practice my "You Can't Resist Me" smile! :angel:

[oscar]

No news on shipment.

Starting to feel like next week now. This little hint will give the secret away to at least one person I know on

this forum, but the sales rep I have been dealing with is very pregnant and today is her due date (also the birthday

of one of my kids). She didn't respond to my voice mail of yesterday, which for her is unheard of, so I'm guessing

we have liftoff.

Bruce
OK. I think I figured it out then. But for those of you who want to pump me for

information on the Live Help line, be advised that the most I'll do is give some hints. Bruce is having WAY TOO

good a time teasing y'all for me to want to spoil his fun. ;)

Oscar :)

[Bruce]

OK folks, no baby yet. I got a call

back.

The News:
A. I should have a tracking number by this evening, so look for the formal

announcement and advanced sales tomorrow morning (my kid's birthday tonight, ya know).
B. As I mentioned

earlier this is a rerelease of a previous product. At that time however, I said this "new and improved" formula

contained 6 pheromones, I believe. Turns out, it contains 8 and with the tester vial (first 100 bottles only).

Whoa!

Tanoshimi ni shtete ne!
Love
Bruce

[Icehawk]

So now 8+1 new in vial??? What

is this world comming to?

[Rbt]

Tanoshimi ni

shtete ne!
Love
Bruce

Gosh! I didn't know you knew French! Is that the name of the product?





(YES THAT'S A JOKE!)
(Watashi wa baka. shtete? lack knowledge of this tango. Willing to

translate for those of us still struggling to learn nihongo?)

[Bigman808]

Uh...me no speaka

japanese...Bruce, once again happy birthday to your child! Give him a bottle of AE as a present! Just kiddin, just

kiddin. Thanks for the update, and I'll be up early to scope out the product! Good stuff!

[Michael909]

:drunk: Ill have a drink and

toast your family.

[thr3shold]

This is kind of like watching

someone unwrap their present ever so sslllooowwwly, taking their time and care. Unwrap the thing already!

[Bruce]

Got the tracking number, and we

should have 450 bottles on Wednesday. 100 of them will be bagged together with a small (2ml) vial of an

experimental new pheromone. Those 100 will go to the first 100 orders for the product.

I will go set up the

sale point now, but for those of you who are undoubtedly anxious to know what the heck we are selling

anyway.....
Envelope please.... rip
http://love-scent.com/alphaa314.jpg

Some of you have

already tried the original product already. This new one is considerably upgraded. Hope you like

it!

:-)
Bruce

[thr3shold]

That's so funny. I had

originally tried to buy this from another web store, but got totally ripped off and came here instead. lol

[Watcher]

mmm i might wait and see the

feedback before order goes in i guess it works. Havent heard of it before though

[goodguy]

So where do I preorder? If

that's an option. Been waiting all morning to order some, but will have to get to work soon. I'm just as

interested in the experimental pheromone as I am in the product. If I can't buy it now and I'm not one of the

lucky 100, will the experimental pheromone be available for sale in the future?

[metropolitan]

they have some info on the

old version at the pheromone store.com and it sounds interesting. though please DO NOT BUY FROM THEM they are a

ripoff outfit! they took my money and no product arrived and ignore all emails and calls, and it seems to be a

recurring thing with them. i just mentioned them because they have some info on the old product. buy from love

scents, i've had wonderful service (and i don't just say this because this is in the love scent forums).
again,

you can check out their website for some info, but DO NOT BUY FROM PHEROMONESTORE you will get ripped off. if you

want AA314 BUY FROM LOVE SCENTS!

[NaughtieGirl]

Got the

tracking number, and we should have 450 bottles on Wednesday. 100 of them will be bagged together with a small (2ml)

vial of an experimental new pheromone. Those 100 will go to the first 100 orders for the product.

I will go set

up the sale point now, but for those of you who are undoubtedly anxious to know what the heck we are selling

anyway.....
Envelope please....

rip
http://love-scent.com/alphaa314.jpg

Some of you have

already tried the original product already. This new one is considerably upgraded. Hope you like it!



:-)
Bruce
Wow - this is so much fun! Like a new baby in the family! Is there any way that we could

learn which pheromones are in it? Maybe not the concentrations but just which ones? Or else, the proportions of the

known ones, and then we'll just happily guess at the unknown ones?
You know me - little miss Curious! :angel: Is

it oil-based or alcohol-based?

[Bigman808]

Most likely it has the three

big ones, -none, -nol, and -rone. I'm also guessing that it might have A1 in it, but who knows. They certainly

aren't going to tell us.

Edit: I'm also pretty sure it'll be oil based...

[thr3shold]

WooHoo it's finally up!

[goodguy]

If the info from the scamsite

mentioned before is correct. This product has way more -rone than any other product and only a little -none. I've

been wanting to try a -rone heavy product, since -none turns my smile upside down in any significant ammounts and I

have to fight the aggressiveness.

[Bruce]

http://love-scent.com/product_info.php/products_id/85
There you go.

In concept it is like

Primal Instinct in many ways: same bottle, same sort of consistency, but instead of the super ripe aNONE, you have

quite a bit of aRONE and then a wide spectrum of higher tech stuff. There is some:
aNONE
aNOL
beta

aNOL
with quite a bit of aRONE
and they won't tell ya the rest.

The fragrance is simple, mild natural

and barely noticeable really.

Very interesting stuff. These boys have done their homework.

Bruce

[thr3shold]

Two questions;The vial of the

experimental pheromone that comes with the A314, is it in the A314 too? Also, any information as to the

concetrations of the vial and the product so we don't OD?

[Bruce]

Two questions;The

vial of the experimental pheromone that comes with the A314, is it in the A314 too? Also, any information as to the

concetrations of the vial and the product so we don't OD?

This has already been mentioned, but no

the experimental chemical is not contained in the A314.

The original A314 was 80% aRONE, but I don't know

the concentrations of anything in this new version.

B

[goodguy]

I just placed my order. Talk

about good timing. I hope I got one of the top 100. I have no idea how many people are buying it per minute so I'll

just have to find out and see. Cool, now I got a -rone heavy product.

Side note: I wanted to order two but

decided that it would be best to give others a chance at the experimental pheromones and have a larger number of

people beta test it. But if I had ordered two would I have received two experimental viles?

[Undertow]

Placed my order. Can't wait

to receive the product. Bruce, I just want to say thanks again for the great site. So far I haven't had any bad

experiences while wearing mones. It's always a fun experience trying to see if there are any differences in

behavior. I really have no idea how much influence the mones have had for me, but the experimenting is the most fun

anyway.

[noodlesnspam]

Bruce!! combo suggestions??

since its brand new and we cant get any user feedback for awhile, do u have any suggestions on combos? mixes? what

other scented mone products combine best with this??? ^_^!

[Bigman808]

Just off the top of my

head...Pheros and Chikara come to mind. From what I hear, Pheros is just a magnificent smelling product, and I'm

going to get it as soon as I can. Chikara also is my current favorite 'mone product, and it just has a fantastic

smell, IMHO. I have this new product already ordered, and as soon as I find out what kind of smell it has (if any),

I'll try and make some inferences as to what type of mix I should use.

[Sevatear]

Thanks in advance Bruce. It's

nice to see a new product out, and I for one, cannot wait to try it. It seems really promising. (smile)

[metropolitan]

i'm going to have to wait

for the reviews to get an idea how much -none there is in it. i OD too easily on -none so i try to keep it to a

minimum.
very curious though because i've been wanting to try beta-nol and it sounds better than getting a whole

chem kit bottle of it.

[goodguy]

Metropolitan:
Although I don't

OD on none it's effects on others are moot because my personality changes from friendly to aggressive. I have to

keep an eye on myself from not being too "grumpy" acting. I'm usually a friendly person that smiles a lot. If the

new product still contains more -rone than -none then it would be good because it gives us the alpha male aura

without the agressiveness.

[chicago]

yes , i place my order in today.

i can't wait to try it
________
Chevrolet task force

specifications (http://www.chevy-wiki.com/wiki/Chevrolet_Task_Force)

[kardoza]

This is going to be fun

:drunk:

I'm just wondering whether the -none in it overpowers the mild smell or not...and...how mild the smell

is. Like, is it so mild that one can mask it with a cologne or what?

:cheers:

[gfunk]

Bruce, just ordered, thanks for

the preorder option!:thumbsup:

About the secret ingredients... would that in any case be a similar ingredient to

another product that you may have on sale in the shop? A1 for example? And in the case of this, if you're a user of

A1 and want to stick with it in addition to new products, you might all of a sudden get too much of A1? Like a catch

22 situation, because you don't know that you'r actually applying twice....And all your research info and

knowledge from your experience results with A1 would have to be reconsidered?

Or does secret ingredient mean

"ingredient not available other than in this formula"? So that you could safely try your new chosen product with

secrets included in addittion to your old fav products?

Bigman808 (member.php?u=2351) What's your

experiences with this product, since you already have tried it?

Cheers!:cheers:

[bjf]

He doesn't know the secret

ingredients...

[jose]

I must be pretty lucky, I visit at the

exact right time a new product comes around even though I haven't been around for weeks. Primal Instinct was the

first product I purchased on lovescent, so this new product is more advanced from the information I've read about

it. I already pre-ordered mine, if anything to support Bruce and his business.

[Traggard]

What is the product supposed to

do? What are the results from the initial test?

[bjf]

it will give you an alpha aura

without seeming like a wacko. more like a steady, level headed guy. the results are more subtle, it is not a club

type standalone product.

[Holmes]

So, you'd have to mix it with

sample vial stuff to get a more macho vibe goin'?

Is this stuff really all that "similar" to PI/m,

then?

[bjf]

It is similar in terms of the bottle

and viscosity, but totally different in terms of its signal. It really isn't meant as a standalone-be-it-all

product. If you want more of the one night stand, mach vibe, yea, you need to make it more dangerous.

[Rbt]

Well I too have taken the plunge and

ordered a bottle of Alpha A314 (plus a bottle of Pheros, something I've been meaning to try, and the two get me

free shipping... ;-) A penny here, a penny there, adds up to being able to buy more goodies!).
:thumbsup:

Now,

I'm still not clear on how *this* product fits in in regard to other pheromone products. Okay, it's a mixture like

C7 or Pheros, but is it closer to SOE or WAGG (a "Great Guy" reaction) or more like C7 or AE (with "sexual"

overtones).
:confused:

[metropolitan]

but is it closer to

SOE or WAGG (a "Great Guy" reaction) or more like C7 or AE (with "sexual" overtones). great question,

that's exactly what i'm wondering.

[DrSmellThis]

I can tell you that I've used

the orginal A314 quite a bit, and that it is definitely an addition to your arsenal if you mix it with other things

and know what you're doing. In other words, it translates into improved reactions ("hits") from others. I do not

consider the "old A314" best used as a standalone; but I also consider my own product most "effective" (as an

attractant, not as a perfume) in combinations, so this is not a negative.

I have found the old A314 to be

easily the best source of androsterone on the market at this moment, to be sure. All I will say is

that there are specific, very solid reasons why I think that; besides any preferences I might have.

I don't

consider this company overly secretive, so I suspect you all will eventually get whatever information you

really need to have, without the actual trade secrets, of course. I will also say that I have been very favorably

impressed with the company from what and who I know of it. There is definitely some intelligence and good will

there.

There is no reason not to buy the product if you have some experience with pheromones. Go for it!

If

you're a newbie you probably want to first learn enough so you can see how to fit a product like this in with what

you are doing. Then get it!

[Bigman808]

-Rone is a good pheromone to

mix with, IMHO. I believe the 'mone to enhance the effect of other mones and provide a less agressive -none

component in a mix. I mentioned in another thread about this product, DST, that I think Pheros will go well with

this. However, I'm not sure what aA314 will smell like, and therefore can't go any further than to say it sounds

like a good combo. (I wouldn't want to mess with Pheros scent, as I hear it's terrific; I'm ordering a bottle

soon though!) You made the product, so I think that you ought to have a better idea of ratios and mixes than I

would, however.

[Rbt]

-Rone is a good

pheromone to mix with, IMHO. I believe the 'mone to enhance the effect of other mones and provide a less agressive

-none component in a mix. I mentioned in another thread about this product, DST, that I think Pheros will go well

with this. However, I'm not sure what aA314 will smell like, and therefore can't go any further than to say it

sounds like a good combo. (I wouldn't want to mess with Pheros scent, as I hear it's terrific; I'm ordering a

bottle soon though!) You made the product, so I think that you ought to have a better idea of ratios and mixes than

I would, however.
When I ordered the Alpha a314 today I also ordered a bottle of Pheros... Sounds like it

was a wise move on my part. Will look forward to suggestions on combining those two. Or combining Aa314 (do we have

a suitable abbreviation yet????) with some of the other pheromone products like NPA.

Don't forget to find and

bookmark the new dedicated Alpha a314 discussion thread now. I'm sure it's gonna be a hot topic for some time to

come.



http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13760

[bjf]

A314 isn't like SOE or wagg...



those are nice guy products, for most users.

Is it like AE or C7? I'd say it might be more

similar to them than soe or wagg but not really like them.

These things cost a lot of $, so if you haven't

gotten the most recommend products thus far, the most essential, perhaps just wait on the reviews on A314 before

buying and spend your $ on npa or chikara or what have you.

If you are a hobbyist, though, and have

experience with this stuff, yea, it is a product that does what it is designed for.

[Bigman808]

All we know about this product

is that it contains a shitload of -rone. Going from there, however, I think we can make a few assumptions about

what would go well with this. I don't really know where the SOE/WAGG thing came from, but I can tell you that

-rone won't do that for you. Well, in combination with other -mones, it can, but that's pretty much it. SOE

contains a small amount of -rone, and it's majority is -nol. Other products that contain -rone are Perception,

P10, and AE. Then again, the -rone in these products isn't at all a majority like in aA314. Realizing that, I'm

leaning towards a comparison to Alter Ego. AE has a good concentration of -rone, along with the other two 'big'

'mones.

Now, in terms of a mix, I'm thinking Pheros. The scent I hear is fantastic, and I'm sure it would do

well to mask any smell that aA314 would have. DST can probably provide better hints as to a experimentational

ratio, as it's his product, and he knows it better than all of us. Just to throw out a starter base, I'd try 5:2,

though I'd like to find out what smell the product has before doing anything.

[DrSmellThis]

Basically, you want to mix

A314 with any low -rone or -rone-free product, assuming the new formula is similar to the old one.

Chikara,

NPA/Edge, WAGG, WAGG-n, AFA, and Pheros are examples; as are the other chem set pheromones.

[Bigman808]

I think it is. Bruce

mentioned the high level of -rone, so it wouldn't make any sense to mix with more -rone, you're right. It'd be

very interesting to mix it with NPA, as I've read (and experienced) that -rone can act as a -none type of

pheromone, without an aggressive edge. Sheesh, I can't get away from these rhyming names!

What would you think

for a ratio for Pheros, DST?

[nbnbtc]

ok Bruce i gotta ask, have the 1st

100 bottles been spoken for already??

[Bruce]

We are about at the halfway point I

think. I am going to send out a notice to forum members only today. That will probably eat up the rest of the

first 100, which will make things tidy. Then when I announce it to the general public:
A. We will have the

stuff in the warehouse
and
B. There won't be a mad dash for a handful of the last 100 vial packed

items

We'll see what happens though.

Thanks for the orders,
B

[Bruce]

30 left.

B

[Fatal]

Just ordered mine tonight. I'm

just going to put the extra little vail aside until I know what to do with it, as it seems very special and

limited.

[Genesis]

I haven't been on the forums

since the auctions, but when I found out about this I had to jump on it. It's exciting to be testing out a new

experimental mone. I didn't even buy this for the alpha I wanted the little vial. Can't wait to get it. And I

think that everybody else should get it while this vial's still available. Sure it might be nothing special, but

it can be gold. Limited supply gold at that. If it's worthless, at least you got the Alpha.

[sonicbum]

any left with the extra vial in

it at this moment????

[Bruce]

News Flash:
Gentlemen, start your

engines!
The shipment arrived on schedule this morning, apparently in good condition. Tammy will be shipping out

all orders received thus far today.

There are about 20 bottles with vials left.

B

[Genesis]

Has anybody gotten a shipping

notification yet?

[Rbt]

Has anyone (Powers-that-be, Forum

users, etc.) come up with an "official" abbrviation for this product and/or the Mystery Product (vial) yet?



Aa314R2 (release 2, to differentiate from older release) ?
MP#1 ? (Mystery Product)

[NaughtieGirl]

Has anyone

(Powers-that-be, Forum users, etc.) come up with an "official" abbrviation for this product and/or the Mystery

Product (vial) yet?

Aa314R2 (release 2, to differentiate from older release) ?
MP#1 ? (Mystery

Product)
I like the KISS principle! So I would abbreviate it as AA314. Since the older version is no

longer in existence, and the manufacturers chose to keep the same name, it seems adequate to me, IMHO. Two capital

A's make it easier on the typing too.

The vial ... hmmm... :think: Factor X? (Can you tell I'm an X-Files

fan?)
MP1 for mystery pheromone? But Factor X has a nicer ring to it!

[Bruce]

The shipping notes just went out.

There are about 10 vials left.

I just call the stuff A314. That is how Tammy has started abreviating it on

the shipping rosters.

B

[Shenandoah]

Bruce,

Apparently there

has been some discussion, or a thread that I missed on the new formula A314.

Is enough known about the

formulation to predict what type of reactions to expect?

Any suggestions on using the mystery pheromone vial?

Alone? or in suggested mixes?

[Fatal]

We don't even know what the

mystery vial acctauly IS. What acctualy is the story behind it?

[Le Sillage]

We don't even know

what the mystery vial actually IS. What acctualy is the story behind it?

.5mg Pheromone code "TAA" in

1ml mixed dpg/alcohol based diluent (high on the alcohol, the dpg is merely used as a fixative here). There are some

EOs in there, too, small amount.

Would've made it stronger than .5mg, but lots of folks have trouble

casually experimenting with the stronger stuff (we used to send out 1mg per ml). This should be just about right for

a "taste test". Guess we'll see. We might have to make new test pheromones even weaker, perhaps - feedback is

appreciated.

Those who've been part of our testing program and have had TAA for months or a year or whatever

can speak up, if they like.

I know one of the self-proclaimed "attention whores" here who loves the Edge

liked it. That rather surprised me. I'd love to hear more about that, actually.

We don't like to tell

people what a new pheromone does. That really skews and limits the results we get. What we love the most is when

people, all on their own, report results similar to what we've noticed ourselves, or what other testers have

reported to us without collusion with other testers. Confirmation like that, from a blind test, is much more

valuable to us.

And, please, for the love of god... if this becomes a product on it's own, let's not call

it TAA! :) That's just a testing code. Don't get too attached to it.

[Le Sillage]

Bruce,



Apparently there has been some discussion, or a thread that I missed on the new formula A314.

Is enough

known about the formulation to predict what type of reactions to expect?

Greater innate trust,

leadership, charisma with a dash of excitement thrown in. It's heavily debugged and supercharrrGed! -rone,

basically. It's a good platform to work from. You can add a smidge more -none, for instance, to make it more

exciting, and you can it from a favorite -none product, like The Edge.

I've seen users requesting an outline

of it's effects... I've reviewed lots of users notes, and the original design notes, and have been working up a

little response that'll help.

In a nutshell:

--> If used alone without modification, expect more of a

James Bond effect than a Colin Farrel (Edge/NPA) effect. There is at least two distinct alpha vibes, and this is

more of the former. i.e., being the man every man wants to be, and the man every high end woman wants to be with...

NOT the "lay today, gone tommorow" guy

--> Usable at work, great for increasing power at work and in sales,

actually. (which few products do) This seems to be a product which makes people more money, time and time again. We

generally hate to make fixed product recommendations, since everyone's biochemistry is unique. We don't want

people buying products for the wrong reason, but we have the least qualms about recommending A314 for work

purposes. Never heard someone say "Man, this is just terrible at work". When people mention work, they've always

mentioned the opposite - never a negative word (although I'm sure it won't work well for someone sometime) We

should make A314 a "success" only product and charge $499 per year for it. Success by subscription. :)

--> As

far as romance goes, better for forming relationships with high, healthy women, rather than one night stands with

low end women.

--> A good product to start dates out with. Use A314 with minimal modification your first few

dates, then turn up the heat by adding a little more -none each subsequent date.

--> Tends to work to your

advantage in pre-existing relationships (also something few products do)

--> Not the best product, per se,

for promiscuous cheaters. You could get yourself into some extra hot water with it. While it tends to attract much

higher end, more "perfectly" balanced women, even these women will go crazy when it comes time to make you "their

man". Use at your own risk for this. This is not a low reprecussion product for cheaters. Period!

This is

based on feedback and results from the previous A314. The new has a similar formula and goes in the same design

direction, however. Our intent is to go from 450hp to 500hp with better handling and BIGGER BRAKE PADS (literally a

better safety net), not to completely and drastcally change the course of the product. Hopefully we've met that

goal. We'll see...

We can further tweak future batches, too, not a problem. We've decided to become less

attached to the formula, and more attached to the end goal/result... working to improve the formula around that,

rather than having you (the end users) change your ways of working around the formula. Most products don't do that,

few pheromone products evolve. A314 will be a continuing experiment, to some extent.





Any suggestions on using the mystery pheromone vial? Alone? or in suggested

mixes?

I'd recommend you keep it simple, and use it alone at first. Always start using new compounds

in seclusion.

[Le Sillage]

I like the

KISS principle! So I would abbreviate it as AA314. Since the older version is no longer in existence, and the

manufacturers chose to keep the same name, it seems adequate to me, IMHO. Two capital A's make it easier on the

typing too.

The vial ... hmmm... :think: Factor X? (Can you tell I'm an X-Files fan?)
MP1 for mystery

pheromone? But Factor X has a nicer ring to it!

hehehe

A314 should still be charisma, a dash

of excitement, and a bunch of "minor" factors which help make things go your way interpersonally... I wouldn't call

it anything much different, per se. Formulas may change, but intents (directions) stay the same.

The mystery

vial, we'll see. We've already gone through stage 1 experiments with it when we sent out a comprehensive test kit.

That kit included a random placeba vial and included absolutely no descriptions. (In fact, we simpy tossed out the

results of anyone who went all crazy of the placeba vial.) The data shows that it IS a human pheromone. It does have

reported effects.

How about we call it Factor 8? Oh, if it could only stop bleeding... :)

I really

don't want it to have a fancy or attractive name until play with it without many or any assumptions whatsoever.

"Factor X" sounds too juicy and exciting to me. It's got oomph power!

In the test kit it was TAA. That's

about as boring and unassuming as can be. That's a good thing!

[Le Sillage]

I haven't been

on the forums since the auctions, but when I found out about this I had to jump on it. It's exciting to be testing

out a new experimental mone. I didn't even buy this for the alpha I wanted the little vial. Can't wait to get

it. And I think that everybody else should get it while this vial's still available. Sure it might be nothing

special, but it can be gold. Limited supply gold at that. If it's worthless, at least you got the

Alpha.

I'm almost certain that some people will like the vial, not the A314, and others will like

the A314 and not the vial.

When it comes to masculine pheromone products, it's hard to make everyone happy.

We certainly don't try to with A314, it's not necessarily for everyone. I've been happily compiling 314 feedback

into common sense metaphors and english, though, so at least people will buy it for the right reasons.

It's

not the none OR rone effect, it's more like a more exciting and modified -rone effect. It is the first and only (as

far as i know) product that makes rone play a rather huge starting role (aside from CS rone, of course). Even James

Kohl's own SOE uses rone in a role secondary to ANOL. A314 is now 79% rone. The remaining 20, actually, 21% now, is

a supporting cast, and it's now more "all star" than ever.

-Rone's pretty cool, but generally doesn't work

as well as A314. Rone isn't right for everyone, but I've yet to run into someone who's tried both rone alone and

a314, and not found a314 to be the higher performance product of the two. Rone alone projects an alpha that's too

beta or supplicant leaning. Rone does have potential, though, and that's what A314 plays off.

If rone alone

was the exciting power punch we knew people were looking for, we never would've had to do months of trials on 19

different mixes. We could've dumped 10mg of rone in a bottle and called it a day. That would've been mucho

easier-o, the lazy man's way to success. But no, we recline in busy boy chairs, not lazy boy. :)

[Le Sillage]

I think it is.

Bruce mentioned the high level of -rone, so it wouldn't make any sense to mix with more -rone, you're right.

It'd be very interesting to mix it with NPA, as I've read (and experienced) that -rone can act as a -none type of

pheromone, without an aggressive edge. Sheesh, I can't get away from these rhyming names!

What would you

think for a ratio for Pheros, DST?

Add additional -nols (alpha or beta or even whackier stuff) and

additional -none to taste. Once A314 own light scent dies down, I'd recommend Pheros, most definitely. I'm a

younger female, and I could swim in that stuff! All my girlfriends can, too. That stuffs a winner.

Don't add

rone. One way to view A314 is as a spiced rone alternative. It's like prosciutto vs. ham (awh, what the heck do i

know? prosciutto just sounds tougher to me; i don't actually remember it's taste vs. ham) :)

From this

view, A314 is "the rone" that lives more up to the posturing and myths of rone better than plain rone itself does,

so there's no point to adding rone unless you want to make it less effective. The only reason you'd really want to

add more rone is if you're really so -none sensitive, than even A314 has too much for you. If it does, by all

means, add more -rone. I'd think more people would need to add more -none, though, if anything.

[bjf]

people figured out what wagg and

chikara was without ever being told its intention or purpose. I think it is good to keep TAA a secret and let the

process work itself out.

Hopefully most of the 100 lucky winners are forum members.

[Le Sillage]

people figured out

what wagg and chikara was without ever being told its intention or purpose. I think it is good to keep TAA a secret

and let the process work itself out.

Hopefully most of the 100 lucky winners are forum

members.

Well put. If anybody can figure it out, these guys can. ;)

Speaking of guys, that

reminds me of women. I have such a backlog of putatives to test out on women. Is there even 100 women here???

Seriously! Is there?

[Le Sillage]

Realizing

that, I'm leaning towards a comparison to Alter Ego.

It's like Alter Ego in that A314 is like a

good gesso (primer) for users under 30 and those who are none-averse.

Both A314 and Alter Ego have proven

themselves to be good foundations to add other pheromonal colors to, but generally for two different sets of people.

Over 30: AE as a foundation, under 30: 314 as a foundation.

However, 314 can still be a good base for those

over 30, as long as they add their favorite -none product of choice (we're not anti-none, we know each pheromone

has it's place when used in proper amounts). AE, on the other hand, generally seems to be less favored amongst the

very young or those suffering from the Clint Eastwood effect.

[gfunk]

You say this isn't for the

"Playa's" out there. I myself would probably have to be put into that category. i.e. being single, not trying to

get into a steady relationship.

I'm currently using PI+NPA+SOE. I would suppose that A314 would still do me

some favours for me in "my scoring" field as for the rone making a greater impact on the none. You agree I hope? I

will find out for sure when my bottle arrives, but from the way I read it almost seemed as this wouldn't be

appropriate for us in the mentioned situations, as one would send out the wrong messages, I'm wrong about that I

hope...;)

Also, since A314 has got enough rone in it, and you say that we can add nol to taste. While I'm

using SOE then that must be a compromise between the optimal dosage of A314 and SOE together, as the SOE brings even

more rone to the table..?

Thank you very much for your info! :)

[Rbt]

I like the KISS

principle! So I would abbreviate it as AA314. Since the older version is no longer in existence, and the

manufacturers chose to keep the same name, it seems adequate to me, IMHO. Two capital A's make it easier on the

typing too.

The vial ... hmmm... :think: Factor X? (Can you tell I'm an X-Files fan?)
MP1 for mystery

pheromone? But Factor X has a nicer ring to it!
I was thinking of making it a little more specific as

there are no doubt some bottles of the older product out there. I suppose as long as it's specified that it's an

*old* early formula in any reference to it, just using the "A314" here will do. I have noticed in some posts that

some people seem to still have the early versions of Chikara C7 for example ("weak scent").

I would opt for

"Chemical X" cuz I'm a Power Puff Girls fan... (Will it get your Mojo JoJo on?)
:lol:

[Rbt]

sillage (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/member.php?u=2702)

Thanks for giving us some info as a

starter/base. I agree it's a good idea not to commit to anything specific for either of these products in terms of

what they "do" (A314 and TAA), but let the field tests tell us all. I'm going to be checking my mailbox twice a day

until my order arrives! I'm in my 50's, so hopefully I can report some positive results for us Elders... (ain't

dead yet!)

In re: TAA I suppose renaming it "T&A" is out too?

[Le Sillage]

You say this isn't

for the "Playa's" out there. I myself would probably have to be put into that category. i.e. being single, not

trying to get into a steady relationship.

I'm currently using PI+NPA+SOE. I would suppose that A314 would

still do me some favours for me in "my scoring" field as for the rone making a greater impact on the none. You agree

I hope? I will find out for sure when my bottle arrives, but from the way I read it almost seemed as this wouldn't

be appropriate for us in the mentioned situations, as one would send out the wrong messages, I'm wrong about that I

hope...;)

While it'll attract women, they'll tend to be the kind that want you "all to themselves".

You could disappoint them, but seriously: fear the wrath!

The upside is that the women you get with A314 will

tend to be much more desirable and healthy inside and out. The only time they'll go insane is when you try to leave

them.

With pure -none or modified -none like the edge, you can better attract women who just don't give a

damn, or have some sexual abuse history and are kind of screwed up. People you can attract, then ditch, or they'll

ditch you fast. People who aren't good for relationships, but would probably be a ok for a quick "lay". This is

probably better for a player, unless you like leaving strings of broken hearts and having otherwise wonderful women

turn into fruitcake stalkers. :run:

-Rone tend to make good women very possessive is all I'm saying, and the

supporting mones in A314 don't help, either. It's a good "head over heels" product, a good long term effect

product, as it positions you more as a 'man of her dreams'... and what women wants to give up the man of her

dreams?

For every positive, there's a negative. It depends on what you want to live with. The upside of

-none is quick and easy sex, the downside is who you're having it with. (the key to using -none with worthwhile

women is to use it plentifully only when they're ovulating, or use it with older worthwhile women, not younger) The

upside to -rone is the quality of women, but they're harder to get rid off. They're more magnetic.

It's

tough to have it both ways, although one of A314s ideas was to give you some of -none's own magic inside of what is

primarily a -rone effect. To most, it's far bettter than -rone alone, but no doubt lots of people will still like

-none alone.

We'll see how the new A314 performs. I don't expect this one facet to change much. If

anything, I expect it to open an even wider Q of women up to you. All the more to get yourself into deep water

with... but that's human nature. Often, if you want to be a playa, there's a price to pay. It's a small price for

many guys, for others, it's just too large.



Also, since A314 has got enough rone in it,

and you say that we can add nol to taste. While I'm using SOE then that must be a compromise between the optimal

dosage of A314 and SOE together, as the SOE brings even more rone to the table..?

Thank you very much for

your info! :)

Actually, SOE may be A OK. I'd be interested to hear your results with

this.

Most people in the past have added The Edge or NPA, which we recommend. (we're not against other

companies makin' money when they do a good job ;)) This allows you to fan the flames of the fire, when you desire.

(oh my god, sorry for that rhyme!)

Pure nol works well, I know that

Haven't actually had man people

tell me they use with SOE. I think because of it's price point, a lot of A314 buyers tended to buy the real

expensive stuff along with it, like Primal and Perfect 10, that's why. One of the only cheaper combos I hear of is

Edge/NPA.

I'm guessing SOE would be useful

[Le Sillage]

I was thinking of

making it a little more specific as there are no doubt some bottles of the older product out there. I suppose as

long as it's specified that it's an *old* early formula in any reference to it, just using the "A314" here will

do. I have noticed in some posts that some people seem to still have the early versions of Chikara C7 for example

("weak scent").

I would opt for "Chemical X" cuz I'm a Power Puff Girls fan... (Will it get your Mojo JoJo

on?)
:lol:

hahaha, cute.

how about OA314 for Old or Original A314? Or maybe A3141
or

A314R1 or something. I'd hate to see the current product, have the longer name.

Either way, A314 is still

all about dressing up the -rone effect, and fixing the problems some users would likely find to be bad performance.

New or old formula, the same intent is still there. Again, I'd expect similar results as before, just with a wider

Q of women, a larger band.

If you look at something like Pheromax's formula change, you're going to get two

different effects entirely from the old to the new. It's drastic. Either the intent changed, or those guys design

products pretty randomly. :)

[Le Sillage]

sillage (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/member.php?u=2702)

Thanks for giving us some

info as a starter/base. I agree it's a good idea not to commit to anything specific for either of these products in

terms of what they "do" (A314 and TAA), but let the field tests tell us all. I'm going to be checking my mailbox

twice a day until my order arrives! I'm in my 50's, so hopefully I can report some positive results for us

Elders... (ain't dead yet!)

In re: TAA I suppose renaming it "T&A" is out too?

To me, the

effects of -rone alone are pretty well known. We've sold probably more of this androgen to other manufactures over

the years than anyone on the planet, so we know rone pretty well.

It's the remaining 21% of phero in there

that will have new, unexpected results, and we're not going to suggest what they are all that much. We really want

to hear from the end users, and have 'em figure it out.

The TAA I don't want to say Jack about, but I'll

probably have my arms twisted. :)

I love the T&A idea, but let's see what it does first... heh

Oh -

and as someone over 50, be sure to supplement A314 with additional -none. -None production peaks in the late

teens/early twenties, and tends to be completely dead by the time you're 70, so you're a little past the middle of

that Hump there. You'll probably need to add -none to get the intended James effect, otherwise you're just going

to be viewed as an older Gene Wilder. ;)

[einstein]

Also, since A314

has got enough rone in it, and you say that we can add nol to taste. While I'm using SOE then that must be a

compromise between the optimal dosage of A314 and SOE together, as the SOE brings even more rone to the

table..?That's my formula!!!
Right now I'm wearing
80% SOE/u
10% CS Beta-nol
10% A314 old formula



Its definitely not a 1 night stand mix. I have to agree with sillage, its a mix to get you long-term women. It

also seems to take a long time to work its full magic.

[Fatal]

So is this one of those products

that you have to use around people over time to get a good effect? Are we talking a few weeks or a few hours long

time?

[Gegogi]

"Oh - and as someone over

50, be sure to supplement A314 with additional -none. -None production peaks in the late teens/early twenties, and

tends to be completely dead by the time you're 70, so you're a little past the middle of that Hump there. You'll

probably need to add -none to get the intended James effect, otherwise you're just going to be viewed as an older

Gene Wilder."

Having just turned 50 I think I can add a little perspective to those comments. Living

in a youth worshipping culture has made me feel a bit over the hill. So, I've been working extra to keep in shape,

dress well and be cool. Amazingly, since hitting middle age, increasing numbers of young women, typically 20-25,

have expressed their attraction towards me--more women than any other period of my life. When I say attraction, I

mean jumping my bones while calling me daddy! The funny thing is, I don't care nearly as much as I used to and,

yet, it jumps out and bites me on the ass. This happened before I began using pheromones last Summer. Yes,

pheromones have given me an edge and certainly make many women more aggressive and open. However I think attraction

is mainly created by other factors, e.g., appearance, persona, lifestyle, status, etc. I'm an Asian male and

normally sweat very little and have no need for deodorant. I'm pretty sure I have little or no 'none production.

What I'm trying to say is attraction is all about you, not the 'mones.

[belgareth]

My experience has been much the

same as Gegogi's. I'm a couple years younger but have seen more lovely young women chasing me than ever before.

Like Gegogi, I keep in shape and have a good attitude but don't concern myself with my clothes all that much.

Attraction is more about who you are and how you act than anything else. The mones give you an edge but if you

don't have the rest in place they won't do you a bit of good.

[bjf]

Have you guys thought about the fact

that maybe some younger women are looking for daddies and you fit the description now that your older? Or maybe

that is what you were already implying.

[metropolitan]

finally the info i've been

wanting. sounds very interesting.
i try to avoid -none, and instead use precursors. i'm experimenting with

androstadienone to add a sexual edge without hitting you over the head with it.
i already get plenty of attention

(both sexual and non-sexual), so i'm more interested in softening my edges and transalating that attention into a

more positive image. less of the mercurial edgy guy and more of the solid experienced man.
i'm 35. i feel i have

matured but i know i still give out the signals of the young cocky hipster i was --and while that works in my favor

in many situatutions it's not really where my mind is centered anymore. i'm more interested in making bonds as

opposed to endless casual interaction.

i should give it a try, it seems i could work out a good mix with

A1.

[Gegogi]

"Have you guys thought

about the fact that maybe some younger women are looking for daddies and you fit the description now that your

older?"

The problem is, this goes on everyday with women of all ages. In other words, it ain't

isolated orphans trying to win approval of a MIA daddy. I ain't rich nor am I much of a father figure. moreover,

it's extremely simplistic to credit attraction to to a single factor such as age or pheromone use. I accept

attraction for what it is, attraction. And it happens in spite of my age. Of course, working on a college campus

that is 60% women is also helpful. If I worked in a warehouse I'd probably never get laid.

[jose]

Well got mine today in 24 hours even

though its supposed to be here tomorrow, I'm not complaining. I smell the
pheromones in A314 but the slight

scent I can't recognize. The vail has a black top clear glass, kind of like the ones they use on perfumes as free

samples. I will have to test this out but I won't wast it on going to the mall, from what I read this seems like

it will work better in a social gathering or dating situation.

[belgareth]

Have you guys

thought about the fact that maybe some younger women are looking for daddies and you fit the description now that

your older? Or maybe that is what you were already implying.
Gegogi is right, hits come from all ages. I

am around offices most of my workday and they are full of women of all age groups but the majority are young. My

GF's friends are all her age so I am around young women during my off time as well. It only makes sense that most

hits come from the largest group of women. It's too simplistic to think that a large percentage of the women I meet

are looking for a daddy. Attraction is a lot more complex than that.

[Le Sillage]

All great points from you

guys.

To add, I'm thinking... Most older men are indeed more suave, debonair, and above all... debugged.

You've had lots of experience, and are now 'smooth'. There's also a pheromone signature which tends to go along

with that, which is much higher in -rone and much lower in -none. Women may be conditioned to expect a certain sets

of mones to come from a Gene Wilder type.

A younger man using that can get some of that 'older guy' magic,

but they won't necessarily have the moves, technique or subtleness to deliver the full experience that the real

thing would.

In another thread, I saw a younger man complaining about experiencing some pretty severe

attraction with A314, but a) he had no idea what was going on at the time, and b) even if he did, he'd have no idea

what to do about it anyway. He got SOME of the magic of older men, without the required effects on himself. Now

that's just him. For many people, mones give them a tremendous boost of confidence, makes them feel like a new

person.

[Le Sillage]

So is this one of

those products that you have to use around people over time to get a good effect? Are we talking a few weeks or a

few hours long time? Nope, that's not what the feedback shows.

Some results kick in in seconds,

and all initial results that should occur will tend to occur in more than 10-15 minutes of exposure. (some processes

in your targets body will take awhile to adjust; there are relatively slow hormonal processes occuring)

Now

by "good effect", do you secretly mean "hot wild monkey sex"? That may take a little longer with A314, yes, if

that's what you mean. It's not 'instant sex' in a bottle, and I don't really know of anything like that, minus

prostitution. :D

But will you be effecting people within the first few seconds to 15 minute curve?

Yep.

The rapport will start, and feelings of fascination and trust will begin. All very good effects, even

if you don't know that they're occuring initially. You'll find out sooner or later, though - that can be a slow

part of the equation. Our perceptions sometimes aren't as fast as what's actually going on. We tend to learn lot

of things in retrospect. That's an important point to remember.

If you're a forward person (or can just

pretend to be one), pheromone products work best. You'll find a lot more compliance with the social actions you

intitiate (less resistance than you'd find w/o mones), and find much greater 'success' than if you just wait

around for the other person to make all the moves.

Also keep in mind that when you really make someone feel

head over heels with you, many people feel paralyzed. The more extreme the attraction, the more extreme the

paralysis. They may not be visibly DIHLing, but they are inside. "oh my god, oh my god, oh my godoh my

gaawwwwdddd... wow!!!" If you're really good, watch for pupil dilation (as if you could fall into their eyes),

changes in breathing, skin tone changes, etc.

[Watcher]

The thing with SOE and probably

A314 now is that the Arone gives even us younger guys a edge in terms of forming sexual and non sexual social bonds.

I will order this new product next weeks simply because it is new and i try to try out all the new stuff that LS

gets even if just once. Im thinking a combo of NPA/A314 and perhaps WAGG or WAGG-N might be a good move and worht

trying - pehraps a 90% A314 and 10% EW or PCC (couplins) might be an interesting side angle - sillage youshould

expect the membership to take this product and mix it with everything else sold here he he

Mmm

NPA/A314/WAGG/EW or PCC and Chikara mmmmm ? throw in some perception even and a1 and could be interesting lol (ok

pure illogical post there) and im probably one of few that hs all those products and could do it a few times for the

sake of being stupid :P

Anyway lets get some feedback on this one - this sounds like a Good Arone product

good for forming social bonds and some longer term steady sexual and non sexual hits. Mix it with AE or NPA and you

could have a bomb product - the other idea would be percepiton.

[Le Sillage]

I'm definitely excited to see

it mixed. It's proven itself best when adjusted to the wearer, when it's been customized. It's a good gesso

(primer).

Add chattiness and friendly overts: SOE, PIw, PF
Add heat: Dilluted PIm, TE, NPA
Additional

intimacy and honesty: CTTM (or whatever it becomes)
Evoke competitive tendencies: PCC or extremely diluted

EW
Add a scent woman of all ages just want to tear their clothes off and swim in: Pheros! Rrrrrrr! :D

I

know the designer kept ANOL levels on A314 low specifically because he feels that converts to tougher mones over

time. In fact, he expects the product to slowly sexualize more on your skin as the day wear as they conversion

happens. You won't get the huge motherload like you do with SOE, of course, considering that SOE is mostly ANOL,

but it still happens. There are also two other components in there that he considers "pro-pheromones".

(As a

side note, nol conversion never really seemed to happen much on ME until I tried a completely new form of nol which

did seem to, uhh, "ripen' over time. I don't know if ANOL converts on women, and most testing we do is with men.

It's a little hard for me to fully believe something I can't experience for myself. Any thoughts

here?)

Alter Ego itself is also what we consider to be a gesso, so i wouldn't think they'd mesh well

together.

I have no predictive ability to see how it'll mix with Chikara or some of the newer products,

since we haven't done a competitive buy of them yet. Chikara, from what I hear, is probably the most "all in one"

type product there is. Combos could either be very strong and amazing, or equally run the risk of not jibing

together at all and falling on their face... I bet it'd worth it, though, to find a good A314 to Chikara ratio.

Even if A314 ended up being only a minor part of that mix, it still stands a chance of adding something special.

[gfunk]

Sillage, you're giving us divine

info here, I really appreciate your comments! ;)

Could you please view my post,



http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13647 (http://showthread.php?t=13647)

and give your

advice on men wearing couplins, as you reccomend them here in this post. I love the idea of combine products like

a314 with PCC or other couplins, but this seems to be a very hot topic where many say that it's not working at all

while worn by men, and being a really bad idea. This made me unsecure about trying it, but you give me new

encouragement.

Will it be safe for me to wear PCC with A314, and not having females thinking that I'm a

disgusting dirty man who has loads of sex and never washes? :D

What do you say Watcher? And others?



Cheers :)

[Le Sillage]

I'll say this: if the Edge or

NPA vibe works for you, some copulins probably won't hurt. They go together well, I think, because they have a

compatible "vibe". A high -none, piss smelling dude should also smell of some _____, methinks. ;) It's congruent.

It'll make sense to the unconscious mind, and just feel "right". It'll provide a good Colin Farrell

vibe.

It's not as guaranteed with the A314, which is designed to give more of a Bond vibe (a refined man

with a dash of excitement, shaken... not stirred, baby!). However, if you already own PCC or EW, anyway, certainly

give it a shot. You can't say that some women don't respond to social proof, they do. Often people don't know

they want something until they see someone else enjoying it.

If you intend to add Edge or NPA to A314, I'd

say that's the time when you might want to try a little bit of copulins, too. People also seem to like a little

-none or cops under the nose, since they both get your motor running. Copulins were shown by Astrid Jutte to

increase testosterone levels dramatically - by about 150%, if I remember correctly (which looks fake, doesn't it?

"Oh.. I dunno.. 150 percent?" - Astrid. heh). So you may or may not want women to pick up on 'em, but you might

enjoy the effect it has on yourself. Whatever you do to yourself does have an impact on others. That was the idea

behind Realm (in practice, Realm didn't work that way, of course, since it tended to make some men depressed or

reticent.)

[gfunk]

Ahh, your words are like music to

my ears.. I will definately buy PCC to try it along with A314. Thx for your help! ;)

[countesszero]

Hi. Do you think women

could use the new A314?

The Countess

[Le Sillage]

Hi. Do you

think women could use the new A314?

The Countess

Have you ever purchased a man's cologne,

not because you think it makes a good woman's cologne, but because you like being reminded of men?

If so,

then you might like it... but only to excite you. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it.

It really won't put

out a feminine vibe whatsoever - it's not a unisex product. You might be able put a little bit (less than a drop)

on that area between your upper lip and lower nose, to try to keep it just to your own benefit. Its when you put

things on your wrists and in your hair that they really get diffused everywhere.

[countesszero]

Thanks Sillage. I was just

wondering if the A314 would smell differently on a female as opposed to a male and you've answered my question.

Just curious. I think I'll stick to the female mones. I never want anyone to perceive me as being anything but all

woman. Which is what I am.

The Countess
Peace Out

[Le Sillage]

Thanks

Sillage. I was just wondering if the A314 would smell differently on a female as opposed to a male and you've

answered my question. Just curious. I think I'll stick to the female mones. I never want anyone to perceive me as

being anything but all woman. Which is what I am.

The Countess
Peace Out

Gotchya.

We

actually have many of the components to do a female version of A314, all feminizing mones. It's extremely slow to

come out with new products for females, since there's so few women that come to us volunteering to be

testers.

Presumably, such a version would use more ANOL, as well, but there is the conversion issue. I think

it affects guy more. I don't think it converts on me, for instance, but I recently tested a new product that uses

anol:bnol:and a new nol like pheromone, and I did get some conversion. There were incredible effects at first, then

they soured. I think it was from the new nol-like pheromone, but, whatever it was we don't want that

happening.

May I ask, what do you use now? Any heavily and primarily nol based (like Primal for Women)? Does

it seem to convert on you? Do you sense a sea change, or vibe change over time? Like... are people friendly and

chatty at first, then seem to be more shut down or irritable later on?

[CptKipling]

Sillage,

When mixing with

other ingredients, is it best to keep the -rone very much the heaviest ingredient? Obviously it depends what we're

mixing for, but do some of the other ogredients rely on a heavy -rone presense to have full effect?

Are you

saying that some of the ingredients are pheromone precursers? Are some of them pre-pheromones, or are you just

expecting pheromone to pheromone evolution over time?

My experience with bacteria meddling with -nol is that it

happens a lot more on areas of heavy sweating (makes sense, no?).

[NaughtieGirl]

Gotchya.



We actually have many of the components to do a female version of A314, all feminizing mones. It's extremely slow

to come out with new products for females, since there's so few women that come to us volunteering to be testers.



Presumably, such a version would use more ANOL, as well, but there is the conversion issue. I think it affects guy

more. I don't think it converts on me, for instance, but I recently tested a new product that uses anol:bnol:and a

new nol like pheromone, and I did get some conversion. There were incredible effects at first, then they soured. I

think it was from the new nol-like pheromone, but, whatever it was we don't want that happening.

May I ask,

what do you use now? Any heavily and primarily nol based (like Primal for Women)? Does it seem to convert on you? Do

you sense a sea change, or vibe change over time? Like... are people friendly and chatty at first, then seem to be

more shut down or irritable later on?
I've been using -nols heavily. Meaning heavy applications. I always

try to also put some on my hair. I figure it's more stable there. It's also the way nature difuses the scent of

our pheromones.

Conversion? Hmmm... what comes to my mind right now is this intruiging (read confusing) article

written by the "Olfactory Research Fund" regarding Jacob and McClintock's research. You can find it in the

Pheromone Research section of the forum. It talks about "rebound effect". Something like after 2 hours for women

exposed to a man wearing pheromones and 9 hours for a man exposed to a woman wearing them. I'd have to go back and

see if the rebound effect happened with people wearing it, or also with "sniff tests". Maybe this is what we call

conversion?

Other than that, I wouldn't know. I'm pretty solitary here in my home office. With my husband, at

the first signs of irritation, I run into the bathroom and re-apply. I should one day test a nol product that works

well for me, by applying it 9 hours prior to closeness on couch. :angel:

[thr3shold]

so I just got my package of

A314, the vial and some beta androstenol. Can anyone tell me if the little vial has a scent, what kind and how

strong?Also, if you know the same for the beta-nol, let me know too. I'm doing a smell test right now and I want

to be sure I'm not missing anything.(btw weird viscosity on the a314..sorta gel like)

[thr3shold]

Well I can't seem to smell

the beta-nol at all, the little vial only had a very slight pleasant scent to it and the a314 had a slight scent to

it as well...something that reminds me of some unspecified EO.

[Rbt]

Well, I think I can safely say at

this point based on your descriptions of how you have the product aimed, it's something I'm really looking forward

to.

I've never been one for One Night Stands, and would prefer to attract "better quality" women for

LTR/friendships. A good "booster" to use in a situation where perhaps I already have good rapport and positive

feelings going.

I'm figuring it's something I can use "as is" as a somewhat souped-up SOE to reinforce a

bond. And if I want to add a "little lovin'" to the equations I can sneak in a touch of -none (I hope I can get NPA

not to scare people off by then... Even one drop causes "withdrawl" reactions.)

Can't wait much longer! Postman

postman don't delay!

:hammer:

[Bruce]

We had some "problems" with the

database last night. Lost a days worth of posts. Sorry about that. Please repost anything you might have left

during that time.

Anyone else get their A314?

B

[StandingTall]

Bruce,

I received my

A314 in record time. Shipped on Wednesday and got it on Friday with just standard shipping. I tried out a little

when I went to study but ended up not paying that much attention to reactions. I did notice that the girls who

would sit around me gave alot of side glances and the cashiers who are normally quiet at the place I study were very

talkative. Could've been a one day thing though so when I finish finals I can do a little more in depth testing.

:lol:

[gfunk]

Got it in Europe on Saturday

Morning, crazy fast! Thx for excellent service!! Tried it, and it seems awesome!!

[Undertow]

I received it. Good reactions

so far, as well.

[Fatal]

I got it, i'm going to do heavy

testing on this one. I'm thinking a few days with 1 drop, then a few with 2, then a few with 3, then a few 4, if

nothing by then goto 5. But I don't think I would need to go past that. Then once I find the best amount, I'm

thinking to use that say with npa 1 drop for a few days then 2, and so on. Then with that base mix, try it with AE

then Chikara. Is that a good idea? It sounds like a good way to find the best mix. Maybe do it like that with AE or

Chikara then add the NPA, instead of backwards. I guess I'm looking for the biggest powerhouse all around. I know

this isn't a mixing thread, but still. Or should I not use A314 as the base?

[Le Sillage]

Fatal, if you read back a

little, you'll see that you're absolutely right... you hit the nail on the head!

A314 is designed as

gesso/primer/platform upon which to build on. It was designed to play well with other brands and lines, so you could

customize the effect to your own body and physiology.

Of course, it may not work that way (as a base) for

everyone. It might work better as a minor addition to some mixes, I don't know. For many, though, it's shown

itself to be a fantastic primer primer that deepens, brightens and enlarges other pheromonal colors.

More

about this here: http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160418&postcount=6

[thr3shold]

Since using pheromones I've

noticed a change in my underarm odor. Once I started using the a314 I noticed right a way some notes of good

smelling pu**y in my underarm odor. Anyone else experience anything like this?

[Le Sillage]

Since using

pheromones I've noticed a change in my underarm odor. Once I started using the a314 I noticed right a way some

notes of good smelling pu**y in my underarm odor. Anyone else experience anything like this? Definitely!



The impact on human chemistry was an expected and planned for event with A314. Since the designer noticed this

effect with some molecules, he worked with it and his knowledge of human chemistry and pathways, to steer the

eventual outcome to a positive one. (there will probably be people for whom this doesn't work well for, though, and

we want to hear from, them too, so we can continue upgrades)

A couple of the components in A314 are there

in carefully selected proportions that preen you like a kind of "Pheromonal Bonsai Tree", that's the long and short

of what I know. It's extremely smart to account for this and think this way is all I know. I myself am impressed

with the amount of forethought that goes into some of these products.

You'll notice this underarm odor

change with other products as well. I'd love to hear about more changes, and a) what you think of it, and b) what

your lover thinks of it.

As much as nobody likes to admit it, the underarm odor of many men will cause a

woman to come to final climax during the heat of the moment. Also, all the hairy parts of your body are natural

pheromone diffusers - they're there to attract lovers, and help please them. These areas are important, no doubt

about it!

Make sure you don't use antiperspirants. They're very bad for your love life. The aluminum based

antiperspirants are bad for your life, period.

[Le Sillage]

Glad to hear about all the

positive reactions so far, by the way!

The product wasn't described fully enough at first, so I feared for

the worst, but so far... so great! I'm really quite glad, and am looking forward to a full range of feedback.



When posting responses, try to include geographical region, age (if not specific, then range), ethnicity (it

counts), your normal "vibe" vs. your pheromonal "vibe", and details about the people you've been affecting (or not)

as well.

I'm also interested to hear if anybody likes the actual look of the product. We designed some

similarly packaged products (in similar-ish dropper bottles) for a client awhile back (under their own label), and

those came out very nice. I think this one came out even better looking. I never used to like this products name,

but I kinda like it on this label. To me, when we get professional pictures back from the photographer, I think

we'll have a problem reverse to most products. Most products look great in pictures, and worse in person. I think

this one is gonna look better in person with a lot of light play and worse in pictures. :) I think the look helps

convey a more James effect, though, which is good considering it's formula.

[NaughtieGirl]

I

wrote:


I've been using -nols heavily. Meaning heavy applications. I always try to also put

some on my hair. I figure it's more stable there. It's also the way nature difuses the scent of our pheromones.



Conversion? Hmmm... what comes to my mind right now is this intruiging (read confusing) article written by the

"Olfactory Research Fund" regarding Jacob and McClintock's research. You can find it in the Pheromone Research

section of the forum. It talks about "rebound effect". Something like after 2 hours for women exposed to a man

wearing pheromones and 9 hours for a man exposed to a woman wearing them. I'd have to go back and see if the

rebound effect happened with people wearing it, or also with "sniff tests". Maybe this is what we call conversion?



Other than that, I wouldn't know. I'm pretty solitary here in my home office. With my husband, at the first

signs of irritation, I run into the bathroom and re-apply. I should one day test a nol product that works well for

me, by applying it 9 hours prior to closeness on couch. :angel:
And you replied (was wiped from database

but I was able to retrieve it)

NaughtieGirl,

Thanks for your feedback. It's interesting that anol doesn't

seem to
convert on you. Then again, it's not like you're putting it in your arms
pits or anything. You're

doing a lot of ANOL, though, I'm guessing
around 50-75mcg per application, several times a day (anyone have the

mcg
per drop count of PI?).

Guys, do you notice conversion issues with PI/w or just other ANOL
products?

(trying to figure out if PI/w could have parabens or other
antibacterial agents in

it)
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I don't know how many mcg per drop of

PI/w, but I have to add that I don't usually apply several times a day (other than that car ride I mentionned or on

weekends).

The fact that I don't seem to suffer from conversion might be due to this:
Usual scenario is : I

work out late afternoon, then I shower right before my husband gets home, then I apply the mones around 7 or 8 PM.

Since I just showered there should be little bacterial action going on. By the time bacterial action starts, we're

asleep?

Another thing that might explain it is that I seem to not really need to use any deodorant. Because I

work out daily I am scrupulous about unwanted body hair. My diet might have something to do with it as well. Whole

grains, low fat dairy and fruits and vegetables. Hardly any meat at all, turkey once in while. Maybe that makes for

a different internal chemistry?

[NaughtieGirl]

Hi everybody!


I hated

to see some really interesting posts dissapear into lala-land, so here's a collage of what I was able to rescue.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the formatting right.


Sillage

wrote: We have the most feedback on A314 alone,

an a314 when used with added -none and/or nols. You can mix with just about anything. One

customer reported good effects when adding a drop or two of Primal for Men, which was a little

unexpected, since Primal is so strong. The A314 probably helps reduce the negative effecs of a -none

OD. In chemistry, everything is what it is, and a precursor to some

else.In or on the body, there's a more limited chemistry set, but you have

some of those same chemicals, enzymes and bacteria available in the lab.

You can get an idea for what to converts to other useful pheromones in that setting.

Some of the pheromones in A314 should convert to other pleasant pheromones

while on the skin, exposed to it's natural bacteria, including corneyform. The designer kept conversion in mind

with the product, and tried to design it into it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist or just ignoring

it. Conversion is a little more confusing for me, since it doesn't seem

to work as reliably on me as someone else's skin. I think guys may have

more bacteria on their skin. I don't

know.----------------------------------------------------------------------Oooh, that rebound effect sounds really interesting! I think that's an article I actually

haven't read. Wonder how that slipped by, hehe. Thanks for the recommendation!

:) The hair is a pretty great area, especially for women. I've heard that

we make lots of pheromones near our neck area, so the "hair flip" is

actually part of a woman's process of flipping her mones at their desired target. Nature is

some pretty neat stuff, huh? So even if there is signs of irritation, a

new coat of nol helps? How much do you use? Which product?

---------------------------------------------------------------------The

vial has a higher EO content than A314. It has just two EOs, though, whereas A314 has over 20.

A314 has some really high brow ones, too, some of the most expensive in the world. I wish it was easier to smell,

but it's there under a 1% concentration, so it won't get in the way if you want an 'unscented' product (the mild

scent will fade fast) or if you want to use your own cologne. I don't even necessarily think it should be in the

'scented' area of the site. To many noses, it won't have much more scent than raw -none or

-rone. The EO package is added to provide lots of useful functions... even

though they're low scent, they still provide fixation, antibacterial

functions, nature-ization, metering out diffusion, all kinds of good

things. Science + nature together usually makes the best

mix.-------------------------------------------------------------------

bjf wrote: Yea, Gower talked about this, and I believe JVK's

Neuroendocrinology Letters piece spoke about this early on.

It's basically why men and women have different phermone levels, aside

from just spouting out different levels of hormonal waste.

Yeah, the stinky parts especially! :) Makes perfect sense.

I still think there's sex differences in conversion, or that there's at

least that possibility. I don't seem to convert to established norms,

except with one of the newer pheromones, which I seem to convert to

something unpleasant.

[Rbt]

sillage:

You have been pushing

the new a314 as a "base." (Glad I took that art class back in college so I know what gesso is... whick I suppose is

a better term than "undercoat"). Most of your posts seem to lean toward the assumption other products will be added

either in a mix or as additional "layers." I like to start out slow and build up. What sort of effects do you expect

if one were to wear the a314 alone?

[metropolitan]

i assume all the effects

sillage has described are for the use of the product alone, particularly since they seem to be results taken from

trial phases.

i finally gave in and ordered a bottle today (of course too late to get the extra vial of TAA)

[Le Sillage]

naughtie,

thanks for the

reposts and all the additional info! i am soooo thrilled you were able to salvage some of that previous work...

thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

I think bjf ultimately nailed it when he used his immaculate timing to

bring up the fact men have more corneyform on their skin and woman have more micrococc... that's the most

immediate answer to why ANOL eventually stinks and repels on men, and doesn't seem to convert the same way on

women. I very rarely think of micrococc bacteria, as a ) it makes me laugh too much, and b) there's very few female

pheromone users out there that actually talk about their pheromone use.

rbt and metro,

metro is right,

i've mostly described the effects of a314 alone, and have distinguished what makes the a314 'alpha vibe'

distinctly different from a -none alone vibe with the James Bond vs. Colin Farrel posts. When I talked about mixes,

I was clear about that, I wasn't bundling mix effects into the standard effects of A314.

metro, most of the

data I have on A314 comes from previous versions, not trials, but all versions have the same direction - the latest

one shouldn't be drastically different, it should just increase the positives, decrease the negatives, and increase

the range (the q) of people it affects.

rbt, in case you haven't seen the other posts... A314, by itself,

provides a Bond like edge to those with the -none profile of a typical male under 30 (and if you aren't under 30,

you can give yourself that -none profile from another bottle, no problem). In short, it provides some older, refined

man magic, with a dash of excitement, modified with an all star support cast of super high tech Q gadgets.



A314 tends to attract younger woman, whereas -none alone tends to attract older women or screwed up younger women,

unless you time it just right with your targets ovulatory cycle.

There's definitely some cross generational

juju going on with pheromones, that's for sure. We've noticed that younger phero profiles get the older ladies

wigglin', and the older phero profiles get the younger ladies jiggin'.

Again, since you're middle age, you

may not get the intended Bond effect without some supplemental -none. I'm betting you'd get more of a Gene Wilder

effect with using A314 all by itself. Which is great! Gene is absolutely charistmatic, witty and all around awesome.

But since you already have the extra mones on hand, why not turn up the heat a little with the -none, and get Gene

Wilder PLAYING James, right? :) That's more of a best of both worlds scenario.

I know lots of people who

just love Gene, but wouldn't necessarily sleep with him or want to marry him. They'd view him view as their

favorite uncle, whereas many woman would devote themselves to and worship at the feet of a James. They're generally

higher caliber woman and would want a James all to themselves for something longer than a one night stand - this may

or may not be what you want.

In business, though, A314 is almost always killer - provides fast rapport, lots

of truth and leadership. Who wouldn't want to hire James if they could afford him, right? As far as I've seen,

it's the "it" business product for men so far.

I can tell you how to tailor A314, but I'm not going to lie

to you and say that size 34 pants look great on a size 38 waist, or vice versa. I'd rather opt on the side of

honesty, and actually help you get what you want. I'm not going to imply that this or any other pheromone product

will have the same effect on everybody, anymore than I'll tell you that everyone likes caviar and sherbert.



That's only somewhat possible with select pheromones like CTTM, which is almost always truth serum like, or ANOL,

which almost always provides for excited chatter, except when it converts on men.

I'd love to see what A314

does all by itself for you, but at the same time, I'm almost certain that a little extra -none will make it work a

lot better in your situation. That's what I've come to expect given your age, but all people are different beyond

their ages, of course. It could just end up being perfect for you all around, or needing something other than -none

to reach it's desired end effect.

[Rbt]

rbt, in case you

haven't seen the other posts... A314, by itself, provides a Bond like edge to those with the -none profile of a

typical male under 30 (and if you aren't under 30, you can give yourself that -none profile from another bottle, no

problem). In short, it provides some older, refined man magic, with a dash of excitement, modified with an all star

support cast of super high tech Q gadgets.
I've perused the other messages but wasn't sure if you were

talking about a314 as a standalone, and I get used to most of the posts being aimed at the under 30 crowd by

default. 30 passed me by over 20 years ago...




A314 tends to attract younger woman, whereas -none

alone tends to attract older women or screwed up younger women, unless you time it just right with your targets

ovulatory cycle.
Call me a dirty old man (or Peter Pan and not "growing up" to the stereotype of my actual

physical age), but I find I prefer the 35 y/o to usually under 50 y/o mindset/life outlook to "older" women. I've

had some good responses with younger women while wearing Chikara, and especially AE (20-25 y/o), but whenever I've

added a -none product to the mix (ie just one dab of NPA) they retreat and "curl up" in defensive mode most of the

time. So I'm a bit confused. I'm *supposed* be low in -none at my age, but if I go with more than the percentage

found in a drop or two of AE by adding a small bit of NPA it looks like OD's.

I'm hoping a314 (standalone by

itself) can be a workable product.





There's definitely some cross generational juju going on

with pheromones, that's for sure. We've noticed that younger phero profiles get the older ladies wigglin', and

the older phero profiles get the younger ladies jiggin'.

Again, since you're middle age, you may not get the

intended Bond effect without some supplemental -none. I'm betting you'd get more of a Gene Wilder effect with

using A314 all by itself. Which is great! Gene is absolutely charistmatic, witty and all around awesome. But since

you already have the extra mones on hand, why not turn up the heat a little with the -none, and get Gene Wilder

PLAYING James, right? :) That's more of a best of both worlds scenario.

You know, that sounds like a

cool idea... However (see what you say below)




I know lots of people who just love Gene, but

wouldn't necessarily sleep with him or want to marry him. They'd view him view as their favorite uncle, whereas

many woman would devote themselves to and worship at the feet of a James. They're generally higher caliber woman

and would want a James all to themselves for something longer than a one night stand - this may or may not be what

you want.

I can tell you how to tailor A314, but I'm not going to lie to you and say that size 34 pants look

great on a size 38 waist, or vice versa. I'd rather opt on the side of honesty, and actually help you get what you

want. I'm not going to imply that this or any other pheromone product will have the same effect on everybody,

anymore than I'll tell you that everyone likes caviar and sherbert.
Caviar and sherbert at the same

time... ewwwwww...




That's only somewhat possible with select pheromones like CTTM, which is almost

always truth serum like, or ANOL, which almost always provides for excited chatter, except when it converts on

men.

I'd love to see what A314 does all by itself for you, but at the same time, I'm almost certain that a

little extra -none will make it work a lot better in your situation. That's what I've come to expect given your

age, but all people are different beyond their ages, of course. It could just end up being perfect for you all

around, or needing something other than -none to reach it's desired end effect.
Proof will be in the

trying...

We shall see.

[mr.]

I think I read somewhere something

about a new product coming out sometime in the near future.
Anyone have any information on that?? :POKE: :LOL: