Aloeswood scent

[belgareth]

Before getting involved in this forum and pheromones I had almost no interest in scents for men,

deeming them to be a waste of time. Others disagree and that’s fine; to each their own opinions. I still have little

interest in the commercially available ones.



Recently, while

studying for a trip out of the country I read of an essential oil, a reputed aphrodisiac native to Asia that sounded

interesting so I started looking into it. It is called Aloeswood, Agar and Oud to mention a few and has a long

history in the Orient and India. I ordered a small vial of it to try it out, then I ordered a larger vial from

another locale and have yet another coming from still another place. Each is unique. This forum has created a

monster! This stuff is expensive but is also incredible. Reactions have been uniformly great.





The first bottle I bought about a month ago was from Laos, not one of the better

ones but something to try. 2 cc cost roughly $30. Not cheap but you use so little of it that it doesn’t matter. Top

quality Oud from India can cost as much as $500 for a tola (12 Grams:sad: ) The scent lasts a long time; I apply to

my forearm in the morning and can still smell it the next morning. Using it alone, Wood Elf calls it erotic and

sensual, she loves it on me. Other women have made various comments about it, none negative and some highly

complementary if a little embarrassing. One lady who was in my car with me told me I smelled good enough to

eat.



With those results I started trying it with mones, first

NPA then SoE. Both had an impact, noticeable looks from women and more compliments. NPA gave me better results than

SoE but I haven’t really been wearing it long enough to have a track record. My first impressions have been really

great so I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley.:POKE: Now, will you please stop begging

my girlfriend for information? :hammer:

[silksand]

Luca Turin talks extensively

about oud in Chandler Burr's fascinating book "The Emperor of Scent" - I've never had the pleasure myself, but

from all I've heard it sounds divine. Lucky you! (and wood elf too!)

[DrSmellThis]

There is actually a lot of

high quality oud in Pheros! If you smell for it you should notice. It cost me a dollar a drop to put in

there. Oud is a big part of the wood note, along with sandalwood. So that might be one reason why you had success

with that product, if your body chemistry goes well with oud.

I have posted on this oil many times, and wrote a

page on oud in the perfuming basics thread. It is a great essence, and a renowned aphrodisiac. However, by itself,

the chemistry isn't for everybody. I prefer it mixed with other things, but have worn it alone. It is an enchanting

scent to say the least, but is pretty intense.

Try a tiny drop in rose oil.

[MOBLEYC57]

Before getting involved in this forum and pheromones I had almost no interest in scents for men,

deeming them to be a waste of time. Others disagree and that’s fine; to each their own opinions. I still have little

interest in the commercially available ones.



Recently, while

studying for a trip out of the country I read of an essential oil, a reputed aphrodisiac native to Asia that sounded

interesting so I started looking into it. It is called Aloeswood, Agar and Oud to mention a few and has a long

history in the Orient and India. I ordered a small vial of it to try it out, then I ordered a larger vial from

another locale and have yet another coming from still another place. Each is unique. This forum has created a

monster! This stuff is expensive but is also incredible. Reactions have been uniformly great.





The first bottle I bought about a month ago was from Laos, not one of the better

ones but something to try. 2 cc cost roughly $30. Not cheap but you use so little of it that it doesn’t matter. Top

quality Oud from India can cost as much as $500 for a tola (9 Grams:sad: ) The scent lasts a long time; I apply to

my forearm in the morning and can still smell it the next morning. Using it alone, Wood Elf calls it erotic and

sensual, she loves it on me. Other women have made various comments about it, none negative and some highly

complementary if a little embarrassing. One lady who was in my car with me told me I smelled good enough to

eat.



With those results I started trying it with mones, first

NPA then SoE. Both had an impact, noticeable looks from women and more compliments. NPA gave me better results than

SoE but I haven’t really been wearing it long enough to have a track record. My first impressions have been really

great so I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley.:POKE: Now, will you please stop begging

my girlfriend for information? :hammer: I remember reading about OUD from a post on here

loooong ago ... it came in some kind of an oil,and the mones in it were suppose to be from plants.

Anyone!?

Anyone!? :think:


My first impressions have been really great so

I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley.:POKE: Now, will you please stop begging my

girlfriend for information? :hammer: Geez! Thanks! :wave: I was just getting ready to offer

her money annnnd a Hummer! :drunk:

[belgareth]

Doc,

Sandalwood mellows it

a bit, I've tried that a few times. However, since it seems to go so well with my chemistry, I wear it alone most

of the time right now. The hits are as good as anything else and the scent is appealing to those around me.

COuldn't ask much more than that.

Silksand,

One of the companies I've been buying from has a sampler of 5

major Ouds. It's pretty cheap at $100. Let me know if you want more information.

Mobley,

Oud is the pure

oil, an Attar is the oil mixed into a carrier. From what I have learned it isn't worth the trouble to buy the

Attars other than greater spreadability (is that a word?:think: Guess it is now.) Good luck with the money and the

Hummer, she'll probably send you in the wrong direction once she gets paid off. DON'T PAY HER UP FRONT!!!!!

[MOBLEYC57]

Silksand,



One of the companies I've been buying from has a sampler of 5 major Ouds. It's pretty cheap at $100. Let me know

if you want more information. Now you're saying Ouds comes in 5 different scents?

AND if there are 5

... which one do you use, like best, Bel?

How did you mix it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?

Thanks!

:thumbsup:


Mobley,

Good luck with the money and the Hummer, she'll probably send you in

the wrong direction once she gets paid off. DON'T PAY HER UP FRONT!!!!!I kind of figured that it would be

impossible for her to be your
:angel: BETTER :angel: half!:whip: :smite: Thanks for the heads

up! :cheers:

[belgareth]

Now you're

saying Ouds comes in 5 different scents? AND if there are 5 ... which one do you use, like best, Bel?

Thanks!

:thumbsup: The two I have so far are from Laos and Malaysia. The Laotian one smells better to me even though

the Malyasian is more expensive. There are actualy quite a few flavors depending on where they were harvested and

methods of extraction.



I kind of figured that it would be impossible for her to be

your
:angel: BETTER :angel: half!:whip: :smite: Thanks for the heads up! :cheers:Oh?

And what makes you think that? I just hide my larceny better. :thumbsup:

[MOBLEYC57]

How did you mix

it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?

Thanks! :thumbsup:



:angel: :think: :think:

:think: :angel:

[Mtnjim]

Here's (http://store.yahoo.com/capricornslair/agoudoilinbl1.html) one I found that's 25% oud and 75%

cederwood. Haven't tried it yet , but thinking about getting some after Payday ($27.90)

The place is in

Utah.

Hey Bruce--how about stocking some of these EE's??

[belgareth]

If you can afford it, I

strongly reccomend getting the pure oil.
www.oriscent.com (http://www.oriscent.com)

[CptKipling]

Thanks Bel!

I've been

looking but haven't been able to find a cheap (enough) local source to sample, so until I do I'll have to be

envious, and/or use Pheros.

[surfs_up]

you have to know who you're dealing with: there is a tremendous variation in quality,

price, method of extraction. I know one person who directly imports the material. The oil is picked up at the still

in Laos and hand carried back to the USA. Real premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an

intense aroma and unmistakable psychoactive effects. There is also a CO2 (supercritical extraction) form that has a

deeper aroma, it is a molasses like oil that hardens at slightly below room temperature. There is, be warned, much

contaminated and stepped on Lao Oud, and some of this sold at ludicrously inflated prices to naive buyers. Some of

these types advertise on the internet too.
There are three major grades of the steam distilled yellow oil, in

my opinion only the superior grade is worth the trouble and it runs about 30-35 dollars a gram, probably more with

the weak dollar. Be very suspicious of a product that shows any sign of separation, for instance if the bottle looks

like it is part one thing, such as a clear oil or wax, and part something else, you're getting adulterated Lao.


To repeat, the Lao Oud market is infested with scammers and hucksters. Only deal with businesses that make

Lao Oud a substantial part of their catalog. If your supplier gets blustery or defensive or makes a big show of

their superior knowledge if you question the product, you're probably dealing with one of the multitudes of

bullshitters out there.

[belgareth]

you have to

know who you're dealing with: there is a tremendous variation in quality, price, method of extraction. I know one

person who directly imports the material. The oil is picked up at the still in Laos and hand carried back to the

USA. Real premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an intense aroma and unmistakable

psychoactive effects. There is also a CO2 (supercritical extraction) form that has a deeper aroma, it is a molasses

like oil that hardens at slightly below room temperature. There is, be warned, much contaminated and stepped on Lao

Oud, and some of this sold at ludicrously inflated prices to naive buyers. Some of these types advertise on the

internet too.
There are three major grades of the steam distilled yellow oil, in my opinion only the superior

grade is worth the trouble and it runs about 30-35 dollars a gram, probably more with the weak dollar. Be very

suspicious of a product that shows any sign of separation, for instance if the bottle looks like it is part one

thing, such as a clear oil or wax, and part something else, you're getting adulterated Lao.
To repeat, the Lao

Oud market is infested with scammers and hucksters. Only deal with businesses that make Lao Oud a substantial part

of their catalog. If your supplier gets blustery or defensive or makes a big show of their superior knowledge if you

question the product, you're probably dealing with one of the multitudes of bullshitters out there.
Or

any other, for that matter. The best in the world is distilled in India by the royal family's distillery.

[InACharmedLife]

Is Oud an aphrodisiac for

both genders?

[InACharmedLife]

Aside from the site

Belgareth already posted, where can one buy the reliably best quality oud? Any recommendations?
Thank you.

[wood elf]

Is Oud an

aphrodisiac for both genders?
It mellows Belgareth and he becomes more receptive. He is sometimes an

overly active person and it slows him down some. I do not know that it is an aphrodisiac to him or me. The scent is

very sensual on him.

There are many good places he found while searching for information. You must be careful

who you deal with but the internet is a good place to hunt.

[InACharmedLife]

[QUOTE=surfs_up]Real

premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an intense aroma and unmistakable psychoactive

effects.


SurfsUp, what exactly ARE the unmistakable psychoactive effects?

Also, where would you suggest

that one could buy real premium grade Lao Oud?

Thanks.

[surfs_up]

for steam

distilled Laotian Lao, your best source is a store in New York City called Enfleurage. They have a webstore too. The

owner has a close relationship with the distillers. My understanding is that she picks it up at the still and it

never leaves her possession. Once the product passes through sales channels, particualrly dealing with newbies, it

is easy to adulterate, and you can be sure it is. She's kind of a cool babe too.

Eden Botanicals sells a

nice C02, it reminds me of a cross between a pine forest floor and maple suryp with some other undefinable thing

going on...

You could hit a nice balance by mixing C02 from Eden with steam distilled from

Enfleurage.

This is good quality Lao... the $500 a tola business is more like a vintage year wine from some

incredibly deep Aquilaria wood... I've heard of mind blowing prices for the absolute best, such as $50,000 for a

not so big bottle of it....

The psycoactive effect is in the dissociative family, it reminds me rather more

of Salvia Divinorum which has an affinity for opoid receptors... mellowing, moderately codeine like, contemplative,

sexy... larger quantities can make you sweat copiously....

[belgareth]

Remember that Aloeswood comes

from many places beside Laos, which is a small country.
India, Vietnam, Papau, Malaysia, Cambodia, Indonisia,

Borneo and Burma to name a few. The Laotian is nice, so is the Malaysian. I'll be able to tell you more about

indonisian oil in a few days.

Surfsup is right to advise you to be careful about who you deal with, the same as

you would in buying any other exotic product. But there are many reputable dealers out there who sell high quality

Oud from many nations. I only mentioned Oriscent because they are a distiller and have an outstanding reputation for

quality and purity.

Actually, the $500 a tola is a stock item from an Indian distiller.

I have done some

reading on the subject. If I can manage to get away from the business I am planning a trip to Asia this year and

intend to come back with some first hand knowledge. If you would like to learn more about aloeswood, here are some

good links. The last one is one of the largest Laotian wholesalers and is an excellent resource if you prefer to go

straight to the source whenever possible:



http://www.aloeswood.net/
http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo/Rikkoku.htm (http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo/Rikkoku.

htm)
http://www.olle

r.net/aloes_desc.htm (http://www.oller.net/aloes_desc.htm)
http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo

/Aloeswood.htm (http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo/Aloeswood.htm)
http://www.worldwi

ldlife.org/expeditions/newguinea/notes_garahu1.cfm (http://www.worldwildlife.org/expeditions/newguinea/notes_garahu1.cfm)
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200006/the.hidden.history.of.scented.wood.htm

(http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200006/the.hid

den.history.of.scented.wood.htm)
http://www.magiensunivers.dk/herbal

hints/monographs/aloeswood.asp (http://www.magiensunivers.dk/herbalhints/monographs/aloeswood.asp)
http://www.traffic.org/news/agarwo

od (http://www.traffic.org/news/agarwood)
http://forestpathology.

coafes.umn.edu/Agarwood%20research%20in%20Bhutan.htm (http://forestpathology.coafes.umn.edu/Agarwood%20research%20in%20Bhutan.htm)
http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=135 (http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=135

)
http://www.xaiudom

.laopdr.com/ (http://www.xaiudom.laopdr.com/)

[belgareth]

How did

you mix it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?


Mobley,

Sorry, I seem to have overlooked your

question. I applied them on my forearm, NPA or SoE and rub my arms together. Then Oud over it the same way. My

thought was that the heavy oil of the Oud would slow down dispersal of the NPA. Don't know if it worked or not.

[InACharmedLife]

Why is there such a

difference between the price of oud at Enfleurage (seeimingly their best quality oud) and the highest quality oud at

oriscent?
To reap the most benefot from oud's psychoactive effects, including it's effect as an aphrodisiac,

what degree of quality (or type) of oud is best?
Thanks.

[belgareth]

Different products, degree of

rarity and probably a hundred other factors play into pricing of Oud or any other product. Or maybe it's just the

standard business philosophy of whatever the market will bear. I can't speak for the Oriscent products other than

what I have already said above. But people pay those prices, people who know a lot more than I do about it. Their

reputation as both a distiller and distributor is impeccable and that carries a lot of weight with me. I know that

Oriscent is an India based company and that's where the most experienced, sophisticated distillers of Oud are

supposed to be.

You also should keep in mind that the retailer in New York is selling in a country where

Aloeswood is not well known and many of these companies are based in and selling in a place where it is much more

common. Knowledge may make all the difference.

They only other thing I can suggest is that you follow those

links I posted and learn more yourself.

[silksand]

I've had Oriscent recommended

to me before on a perfume board I belong to - so that's two recs!

[surfs_up]

probably many of the ritual nuances would be lost on someone who hasn't spent a lifetime in an incense

culture... ultimately you have to decide what you want from the experience. I was combining fragrances from Santa

Maria Novella and Lorenzo Villoresi, added in a shot of Lao Oud and some concentrated androstenone, which also has

an interesting perfumery use as well as a pheromone, it can add an authoritative musky punch to the mix...anyway,

this combination was unusual to say the least... totally masculine in way that other male fragrances rather paled

next to, although it was only a bit Lao Oud.... Lao and Patchouli seem to work out nicely together...

[wood elf]

totally

masculine in way that other male fragrances rather paled next to, Very true from a woman's perspective.



Silksand:

Get some for your husband to wear. You will love it on him. Belgareth found the first he bought on

e-bay. It is a good way to try it in small amounts.

He is in the shower right now and I am going to make him put

some on before we go to dinner. I have plans for tonight!:smite:

[silksand]

Hi, wood elf! I'd love to

smell it on him, but it would have to be *his* idea. He has yet to even open any of the L-S trial packets I gave him

- he doesn't wear scent ever...

:(

[belgareth]

Recieved my third bottle of

Aloeswood oil today. Now I have it from Laos, Malaysia and Indonesia and have a bottle of Indian on order. Of the

three I like the Indonesian scent the best. The Laotian is a woody, leathery smell. Malaysian is less leather and a

smell that makes me think of green, growing things in the deep forests. The Indonesian has the strong woody, leather

smell overlaid by an almost peppery scent. I'm simplifying because I am not knowledgable about scents, each is a

complex scent that is beyond me to describe.

I want to experiment some more but am becoming convinced that

aloeswood has both strong psychoactive properties and is a true aphrodisiac. It combines very well with a couple

dabs of NPA for some really strong effects on the people around me.

Ok, Mobley. I'll pass results along in

time. I want to be sure of my results first.

[InACharmedLife]

Belgareth, could women

wear these ouds? Or, are they too masculine in scent?
Also, would you suppose that the aphrodisiac effects of oud

will work on both genders...would men be attracted to the scent of oud? It seems you've discovered that women are

certainly attracted to it. I wondered if it had the same one-gender affect of patchouli, which tends to attract

women but not men.
Thanks for your thoughts!

[belgareth]

Oud is a very masculine scent.

I can't imagine it on a woman unless it was mixed with something to mellow it. DST suggested trying it in rose oil

and I can ask Wood Elf to try it.

It has a mellowing, calming effect on me. I am more relaxed while wearing them

but I wouldn't say it is an aphrosisiac for me. But keep in mind that individual differences may make it one for

some men.

[DumLuc]

Well, Bel, after reading about

your enthusiasm for aloeswood, nothing would do but for me to experience it. Now not wanting to go overboard on the

first venture I decided I'd pick up a sample from Eden Botanicals, where it only cost $2 to experience the scent.



I enjoyed it, a lot, and am now searching for a higher quality. Eden's comes from cultivated India trees and by

their own admission is not high grade, but affordable. Who did you get your Indonesian from?

[NaughtieGirl]

Charmed - we

keep bumping into each other!

I recently bought plug-in scented oil diffusers at BBW. (Just brainstorming

here.)

If a scent sounds promising but is not truly meant for a woman to wear, maybe you could put a couple of

drops in one of those diffusers and still get the desired effect?

One day I WILL try a mone mixed with my

aromatherapy drops in the diffuser! I'm wondering if the heat will enhance the mones or kill them. Pulse points for

perfume are used because of their heat emanation, I believe.

[MOBLEYC57]

I want to

experiment some more but am becoming convinced that aloeswood has both strong psychoactive properties and is a true

aphrodisiac. It combines very well with a couple dabs of NPA for some really strong effects on the people around

me.

Ok, Mobley. I'll pass results along in time. I want to be sure of my results first.Been thinking of

buying the sample pack (6) ... still thinking. :blink:

Put that Elk's nose to work! :twisted: Tell'er the

people here on the forum is looking for a one page, double spaced report on HER findings, and not to forget to smell

check her work.:drunk: 'Cause after all, tis the voman's approval that ve're really after, yes? :lovestruc I love

your guidance, but I'll take her findings. :wave:

P.S. That report is due the beginning fo the work week.

:run:

P.S.S. Bel, I hope your report will be just as professional as yer lady's report ... double spaced and

smell checked. :run:

[belgareth]

Oriscent.com has a sampler that

is a good opportunity to try 5 different Ouds for $100 and they are a good company to work with. The Indonesian was

purchased on E-Bay from a company called Magnifiscense. Every now and then they have small quantities for sale. You

can also e-mail them for info at

accounts@magnifincense.com (accounts@magnifincense.com)

I'm looking

forward to your results.

[belgareth]

Charmed - we

keep bumping into each other!

I recently bought plug-in scented oil diffusers at BBW. (Just brainstorming

here.)

If a scent sounds promising but is not truly meant for a woman to wear, maybe you could put a couple of

drops in one of those diffusers and still get the desired effect?

One day I WILL try a mone mixed with my

aromatherapy drops in the diffuser! I'm wondering if the heat will enhance the mones or kill them. Pulse points for

perfume are used because of their heat emanation, I believe.
I don't believe the heat from a diffuser

will harm the mones but don't know if it will disperse them either. The Oud should work very well that way but you

might find it simpler to use an Oud insense. You can get that a lot of places.

[belgareth]

Been thinking

of buying the sample pack (6) ... still thinking. :blink:

Put that Elk's nose to work! :twisted: Tell'er the

people here on the forum is looking for a one page, double spaced report on HER findings, and not to forget to smell

check her work.:drunk: 'Cause after all, tis the voman's approval that ve're really after, yes? :lovestruc I love

your guidance, but I'll take her findings. :wave:

P.S. That report is due the beginning fo the work week.

:run:

P.S.S. Bel, I hope your report will be just as professional as yer lady's report ... double spaced and

smell checked. :run:
It's worth the price, IMO.

I'll pass your request on the Wood Elf. But if her

reply is what I expect, I'll have her tell you herself. :run:

You'lll just have to wait for my complete

report. Have you ever seen me say anything conclusive without lots of time to test? It's only been a month since I

started playing with Oud. Be patient.

[wood elf]

Been thinking

of buying the sample pack (6) ... still thinking. :blink:

Put that Elk's nose to work! :twisted: Tell'er the

people here on the forum is looking for a one page, double spaced report on HER findings, and not to forget to smell

check her work.:drunk: 'Cause after all, tis the voman's approval that ve're really after, yes?
Dear

Mr. Mobley:

Please do order the sample pack, you will like it very much but consider carefully before wearing it

with your dancing outfit. It is a manly smell.

Do you wear a tutu when you dance?:kiss:

The Aloeswood

scent has my full approval and that of other women we are around. I will later tell you a story about how it does

for Belgareth.

W. Elf

[NaughtieGirl]

The Oud

should work very well that way but you might find it simpler to use an Oud insense. You can get that a lot of

places.
Hmm.... I kinda live in the woods. What is a Oud insense, and where might I find it? I really

rely on the internet for most of my purchases. I don't know of any oriental style stores around here either.



I think I will splurge for the Oriscent.com sampler. I'm tremendously enjoying the concurrent exploration of scents

and my husband has told me he is enjoying my new endeavors. I'm starting to drop hints about the power of "smells"

to prime him for possible down-the-road disclosure of why those smells smelled so good!

[wood elf]

Naughty:

There are many

places on the internet that sell Aloewood as stick or powder. If you search on ebay you can find many listings.



I hope you can convince your man to wear Aloeswood for you. You will like it a lot.

[MOBLEYC57]

It's worth the

price, IMO.

I'll pass your request on the Wood Elf. But if her reply is what I expect, I'll have her tell you

herself. :run:

You'lll just have to wait for my complete report. Have you ever seen me say anything conclusive

without lots of time to test? It's only been a month since I started playing with Oud. Be patient.


Patient, I am. Waiting, I am. :thumbsup:



Dear Mr. Mobley:

Please do order the sample

pack, you will like it very much but consider carefully before wearing it with your dancing outfit. It is a manly

smell.

Do you wear a tutu when you dance?:kiss:

The Aloeswood scent has my full approval and that of other

women we are around. I will later tell you a story about how it does for Belgareth.

W. Elf
Thanks,

Dear.

No, Dear ... no tutu for me, my butt's too big! :rasp:

Was just wondering if you had sniffed a new

favorite out of the 5 samples, tis all. :think:

[wood elf]

Thanks,

Dear.

No, Dear ... no tutu for me, my butt's too big! :rasp:

Was just wondering if you had sniffed a new

favorite out of the 5 samples, tis all. :think:
How disappointing. I would have asked for pictures. :)



Belgareth has not ordered the sample pack. He now has three vials of Aloeswood from different places. With the

first two I liked the one from Laos better. He has only worn the new one from Indonesia once. I am not sure yet how

I feel about it. As Belgareth said, it is spicy over the other smells.

I enjoy the smell on him very much and

like him I believe it may have some psychological effect, a heightening of what my mood is at the time. If I am

feeling amorous it makes me more so when I am close to him. In quiet times like late at night when he holds me it is

a comfort. It may be that since it has faded from the strength of the early application the way it makes me feel is

changed. It could too be that his mood changes how it effects me.

Will you be buying the samples? How you feel

about it and what happens would be interesting.

[MOBLEYC57]

How

disappointing. I would have asked for pictures.
Ha! Figure the odds!!!!! :rasp: You can't keep a

secret, and I'm sure the pics would be all over the net! :nono:


Will you be buying the

samples? How you feel about it and what happens would be interesting.
It's making its way to the top of

my shopping list ... will have to be next month though, 'cause my allowance for this month is already spent. :rant:



If any new bells starts to ring deep within your inners ... would be most appreciative if you'd share what

scent it was that did it.:thumbsup:

Annnnnd, for some strange reason or another ... I get the feeling you're

just an animal anywhos, and being around Bel just has a way of making it surface.:whip: Is his garage loaded with

Wheaties, a cross, flares, stake and mallet, cell phone with an automatic 911 quick dial, holly water, silver

bullets, beef jerky, and lots of garlic? :drunk: :lovestruc :drunk:

[NaughtieGirl]

Naughty:



There are many places on the internet that sell Aloewood as stick or powder. If you search on ebay you can find

many listings.

I hope you can convince your man to wear Aloeswood for you. You will like it a lot.


Oh so "insense" is one of those little sticks like I used to burn back in college?
I was confused and thought

maybe it was a special kind of an oil burner. OK I'll Google for it. Thanks!

[NaughtieGirl]

Silksand, Charmed - You just

HAVE to do a search for "Perfuming basics" in the Womens forum. I love it! I think I have all the ingredients to

make the first "Nice Lady Perfume". I'm going to try that, but I'll have to use a different carrier oil.

It

is also a great thread to figure out what to add to your EO collection if you are starting one (I am)

[silksand]

Silksand,

Charmed - You just HAVE to do a search for "Perfuming basics" in the Womens forum. I love it! I think I have all

the ingredients to make the first "Nice Lady Perfume". I'm going to try that, but I'll have to use a different

carrier oil.

It is also a great thread to figure out what to add to your EO collection if you are starting

one (I am)

That IS a great thread - almost a book! I've been throught it once and keep coming back

to it.

[wood elf]

Ha! Figure the

odds!!!!! :rasp: You can't keep a secret, and I'm sure the pics would be all over the net! :nono:


It's

making its way to the top of my shopping list ... will have to be next month though, 'cause my allowance for this

month is already spent. :rant:

If any new bells starts to ring deep within your inners ... would be most

appreciative if you'd share what scent it was that did it.:thumbsup:

Annnnnd, for some strange reason or

another ... I get the feeling you're just an animal anywhos, and being around Bel just has a way of making it

surface.:whip: Is his garage loaded with Wheaties, a cross, flares, stake and mallet, cell phone with an automatic

911 quick dial, holly water, silver bullets, beef jerky, and lots of garlic? :drunk: :lovestruc :drunk:
Mr

Mobley:

I would not give away bad pictures of you. Sell them to high bidders, yes. Never give them away.



You know about our garage? Is Belgareth telling about me again? We will talk about this! :whip:


Ladies:



Belgareth told me I could use his credit card to order essential oils but I know little about them. Your advice

would be helpful. I like floral smells best but will enjoy trying others too. He suggested something called Nag

Champa, do any of you have experience with this? He did not set a limit on me so I can have fun so long as I do not

put him out of business. It is a nice new pretty credit card that needs to be worn in properly. :)

W. Elf

[gamecity]

In oriscent.com, how large are

the bottles for aloeswood oils? How large are the aloeswood oil sampler vials?

Anyone know?

[wood elf]

Belgareth said the bottles are

three milliliters. He does not know how much is in the samples.

[MOBLEYC57]

Mr Mobley:



I would not give away bad pictures of you. Sell them to high bidders, yes. Never give them away.Thanks,

Bel! :thumbsup: For the WARNING a couple of weeks back, about elves! :rasp:


Mr Mobley:

You

know about our garage? Is Belgareth telling about me again? We will talk about this! :whip: Nope. :nono: Bel

said nothing abou'tit! I learned about your :rant: naughty :rant: species and what's required to keep up with one,

on .... the Animal Planet!:whip:

Credit card with no limit! :wub: Buy the store from the owner, pick all the

scents that tickles your naughty fancy, and sell all the scents that don't! :thumbsup:

[belgareth]

Gosh, thanks Mobley! What you

won't do for a woman. Aren't you ashamed of yourself? And after I warned you about her!

[NaughtieGirl]

So

I went to Oriscent.com and ordered the Aloeswood incense package. That way I can get a rough idea of what it smells

like. I would have loved to have tried the Kyara incense as well (Premium grade - from my other readings - Thanks

Bel). But it was $75 for 150 sticks, and I'm broke from buying all those mones for the past 6 or so weeks. So I

asked if they could maybe just include one, so I could smell the difference.

Meanwhile I've concocted up a

batch of Dr ST's "Nice Ladies Perfume". I'm letting the scents blend a bit before trying it. Hubbie said "You're

really getting into this aren't you? Where's your coldron?" Heehee!
All my stuff is sitting out on the counter,

all he has to do is look and he'll come across strange things such as "Passion Copulin Concentrate" and "Scent of

Eros for women" - etc! I like living on the edge!

Elf Wood regarding your question about which oils to buy. You

could go to an aromatherapy store or a B&BW and see which synergestic blends you like and then order the individual

ingredients. That was the first thing I did. I also scoured the internet for aromatherapy recipes and then looked at

the recipes that interested me. Things like "Relaxing" or "Sensual". Again, I took note of the ingredients needed.

My big shock came when ordering. Some of the EO's that I really wanted (Sandalwood / Rose / Jasmin, I believe) were

very expensive compared to the others. I'll have to add them one at a time. I did get a sample qty of Rose and

splurged on Sandalwood.

I created a doc file called recipes and every time I came across something of interest

I did a copy/paste into my file. It now contains a mish-mash of interesting ideas. LOL I even came across a "wicken"

site where they were posting recipes for spells!!!!

[DumLuc]

Wood Elf, this site should help

you get started with essential oils.

Eden

Botanicals - Amber Resin, Amber Oil and Wholesale Essential Oils (http://www.edenbotanicals.com/)


I called and talked to a

gal named Barbara when I was ordering my sample of agarwood oil. Picked up a few other essential oils at the same

time and mentioned that I was interested in Jasmine and Rose Absolute and might get those with my next order. To my

suprise she included both of these, at no extra charge, with the samples I had ordered. In other words, real nice

people to deal with. Any way, check their site out, it is full of interestin information.

[Icehawk]

Belgareth said

the bottles are three milliliters. He does not know how much is in the samples. 3ml???? How long could

that possibly last?

[DumLuc]

Icehawk, I bought the $2 sample

from Eden.It came in a 1ml vial and I thought it was empty when I got it. There was less than a match heads worth of

oil in that vial. It's lasted over four days. A very little goes a long ways and 3ml would be quite a bit;could

last for a year.

The stuff I got has a burnt wood smell that is intriguing, to say the least. And the fragrance

seems to grow, actually envelope you after awhile. It is different than any thing else that I've experienced.

[Icehawk]

The stuff I got

has a burnt wood smell that is intriguing, to say the least. And the fragrance seems to grow, actually envelope you

after awhile. It is different than any thing else that I've experienced.
Yeah, but they said the same

thing about beta EW... :)

[DumLuc]

So spend $2 for a sample, it only

cost $3 for shipping and your curiosity itch will be scratched. Cheap price for relief. lol

[belgareth]

3ml???? How long

could that possibly last?
Close to a year considering how little I use daily.

[Icehawk]

Ok next question. I've got

samples on the way, however, how would the smell work for someone younger like myself. It's down to either

malaysian, and it smells of sweet leather and musk, while borneo more like butter and honey. Is that a bit like

Amouage Gold that all the older guys love but younger crowd goes after fresher Dia? Or am I gonna have to mix this

too???

[belgareth]

Ok next

question. I've got samples on the way, however, how would the smell work for someone younger like myself. It's

down to either malaysian, and it smells of sweet leather and musk, while borneo more like butter and honey. Is that

a bit like Amouage Gold that all the older guys love but younger crowd goes after fresher Dia? Or am I gonna have to

mix this too???Try the malaysian first and by itself. Go from there. I like them all to varying degrees and

women of all ages have commented favorably on them. The Malaysian seems sweeter and younger people seem to prefer

that.

[belgareth]

For anybody interested, I found

another source for a wide variety of good quality Aloeswood oil and wood for incense where you can buy small

quantities.
Home Page: http://qanaat.netfirms.com
Price list:

http://qanaat.netfirms.com/Price%20Aloe

swood%20as%20at%2016092004.htm (http://qanaat.netfirms.com/Price%20Aloeswood%20as%20at%2016092004.htm)

[burgerama1960]

Belgareth, How did the oud

that your recieved from ebay smell. I believe it was the royal bermese one? How much is 3 grams in ml:wave: ?

[burgerama1960]

Dr. Smell This, is the dark

oily substance that separates out of pheros the oud oil you added?

[belgareth]

Belgareth,

How did the oud that your recieved from ebay smell. I believe it was the royal bermese one? How much is 3 grams in

ml:wave: ?
My latest that I bought through E-Bay is Indian, I didn't bid on the Royal Burmese. The

purchase prior to that was Indonesian. The Indian is still in transit. The Indonesian is quite nice, kind of a

peppery, spicy-ness overlying the leather and wood scents.

[DrSmellThis]

Dr. Smell

This, is the dark oily substance that separates out of pheros the oud oil you added?I think the precipitate

is composed primarily of valerian root, floral fibers, and sweet resins.

The oud would be more prominent after

the beta version (the one sold during the first two weeks of April last year only), since I added a good bit more

for the upgrade. The final amount of oud I added was constrained only by smell, rather than cost or supply issues,

I'm happy to say. It's what makes the top note of the woody smell more interesting and unique. In my case I

didn't want to overwhelm the sandalwood and musky notes by adding "too much" oud. I love the way sandalwood,

natural musk and oud smell together. But I can smell the oud very clearly in Pheros.

I'm happy folks are

experimenting with this remarkable essence! Be forewarned, though: Straight oud is not everyone's cup of tea. It's

a very unapologetic, interesting smell. I love it, but then again I like Edge Arouser, which is also an unapologetic

woody smell. (Most prefer the "Heat" version. Incidentally, Arouser and oud would go well together.)

I'm very

curious to know which varieties are people's favorites.

[muskamber]

A Tola is 12

grms and not 9 grms.

[belgareth]

A Tola is 12

grms and not 9 grms.
That's right, thank you. Somebody else corrected me too. I should have gone back and

changed it.

[belgareth]

Today I got my first negative

reaction to Oud or maybe it was the NPA I put on first. 2 dabs NPA and about 1/4 drop Malaysian Oud.

I had

stopped by an electronics store for some things. A younger maybe latin lady was running the register and being

supervised by an older black lady. The latin lady was friendly but as soon as the other lady got near me her nose

wrinkled and she got a disgusted look. She handed me my bag and took several steps backward. She really looked

distressed.

[muskamber]

That's a reaction from some1

who mabe as never smelt true Atar b4. A lot o peoples senses are so used 2 chemical perfumes.

[belgareth]

In about 1 1/2 months of

wearing Oud almost daily it is the only obvious negative response I've had. It still needed to be reported. Since

Oud is extracted from fungus infected wood I have wondered about potential allergic reactions too.

[muskamber]

iv only ever heard of 1 person

that had a reaction! but it wasnt pure Oud that some1 gave him. Oud is also good for the health. It gives a person

strength. You should buy some of the agar wood chips and burn them. They give of such a beautifull smell. When burnt

in my living room and the door is kept shut the smell stayes in the air for 2 to 3 days. At first you get the smell

of burning wood but after a while that goes and you are left with a sweet smell.

[belgareth]

How do you burn it? In an

incense burner? Does it light easily and stay lit? Flames or smoulder?

[muskamber]

I burn it in a liitle clay

pot, shaped like a small saucer. I take a piece of charcoal, get it glowing then place that Oud wood on top an it

just burns its self. With a big piece i turn it over every now and again.

[muskamber]

One of my supliers was saying

that a tola of his best grade oud sold for $7000.00 dollars. He says that he has some of the best Oud in the world

but i wont know until my shipment from him arrives?

[belgareth]

That's just a bit rich for me.

The $380 per tola I've been considering is about as high as I am willing to go.

[muskamber]

What type of Oud is it, what

country does it come from? realy top grade oud as been known to stay on the skin for a few weeks.

[belgareth]

Indian and India

[InternationalPlayboy]

I

burn it in a liitle clay pot, shaped like a small saucer. I take a piece of charcoal, get it glowing then place that

Oud wood on top an it just burns its self. With a big piece i turn it over every now and again.

I was

going to suggest charcoal. You don't want to use the cooking kind though. Buy charcoal that's made specifically

for burning incenses such as frankincense, copal, and other resins. A good incense or herb shop should carry rolls

of charcoal. The self ignighting type has sulfur in it. Some people don't like the addition of sulfur in their

charcoal, especially for ritual use.

For my use, these charcoals are much larger than I need, so I take an

X-acto saw and cut them into halves or thirds before I burn them. You might want to put some sand or crushed rock in

the vessel you use as a burner, though I've seen plain abalone shells used too. The charcoal gets hot! I made the

mistake of using a glass ashtray that I had stolen from Holiday Inn years ago on my first attempt of using

charcoal. Broke it right in half. It was a nice ashtray too. Luckily I was there when it happened and could quickly

douse the charcoal in water so it didn't set the counter on fire.

[Aroma]

Just wanna know why my posts have

been deleted?

[Aroma]

I have

tried Aloeswood/Oudh from every country, and my favorite Oudh is from Cambodia, India and Hainan Island. India and

Hainan supposedly have had the best Oudh in the world since ancient times. These are my favorite Oudhs because they

are very complex in aroma, especially India and Hainan Aloeswood. Malaysian is okay...a little sweet for me.

Vietnam has good woodchips for incense, but their Oudh is not the best to me. anyway, there's my 2 cents worth.

[Aroma]

What country

is this supplier in Musk Amber who sold their Oudh for $7000.00? I cannot believe someone could sell their

Aloeswood Oil for this much! i want to know about this Oudh!

[muskamber]

My wifes sister used 2 work

for the saudia royal family and she said that the Oud that they would buy, they would pay $12,000.00 a Tola.

Remember this, less than 5 percent of oud on the world market is pure. Never smelt any sweetness in Malay Oud unless

it's mixed (not pure). Never smelt any sweetness in any Oud that's pure. There r people out there that r selling

so called pure Oud which isn't. I think that a lot of the time they don't know what they are buying. When you buy,

u r at the mercy of the person selling it 2 u.

[belgareth]

Just wanna know

why my posts have been deleted?
Please read the PM I sent when I deleted them.

[belgareth]

Just got my order of Indian

Aloeswood oil. This is the stuff that sells for $380/tola. Medium dark brown and about as thick as honey. Very rich,

complex scent. Between the tiny amount needed and the fine scent, I feel like it is well worth the cost. It should

last well over a year of daily use.

For Mobley :type:

I've been wearing Oud by itself or combined with

NPA. SoE just adds to many other factors to be able to judge results effectively. Maybe I'll go back and try SoE

again later. Application is on the forearms and rubbed together. When I use NPA it is applied first then the Oud

over it.

It does not seem to matter which flavor I wear, the impact on others is about the same. I do notice ir

effects me more with different flavors but haven't spent any time trying to quantitfy it so that will have to wait

until later. Generally speaking it has a mellowing effect on me, my mental acuity seems the same but I am more laid

back. It seems to do the same to other men around me but to a lesser degree probably because they aren't in the

scent cloud as long as I am.

Results with women have ranged from the single negative I mentioned above to

strongly positive. For example there is this intense woman I work with frequently. Normally she is very focused on

whatever project we are working on. Last week we were sitting side by side working on her computer. She kept losing

focus, laughing for no reason and rubbing my shoulder. Her complexion is pretty dark so I couldn't tell if she was

flushed but do think her breathing got faster while we worked. Another is this cute strawberry blond lady who is in

one of the business groups I belong too. She has taken to sitting next to me ever since I started wearing Oud. That

wouldn't be remarkable except that she has to arrive earlier than normal to take the spot next to where I usually

sit. After more than a year of showing up at the last minute she has suddenly started coming in 15 minutes early.

Could be coincidence but I doubt it. Another effect is that I get more hugs from the women around me.

I am going

to ask wood elf to post how she feels about the different scents. Other women have made numerous complementory

comments about it, all unsolicited!

[muskamber]

have u ever tried mishk (musk)

from the musk deer. it's very beautifull. a very unique smell indeed. The 1 that i have got costs $120.00 a tola.

[belgareth]

No, I haven't. Seen it listed

a few times on the sites but want to focus on one thing at a time.

[burgerama1960]

Hey Bel, when did the ebay

guy have the indian stuff up for bid?

[belgareth]

Hey Bel,

when did the ebay guy have the indian stuff up for bid?
A couple days before the stuff you bid on. It

ended 4/3.

I sent him an e-mail asking about future auctions or even direct sales but he hasn't replied yet.

[belgareth]

I got a reply from him and know

where to find his price lists. You can buy as little as 1/4 tola of many flavors. If you want information please PM

me. His prices are pretty good and products I've bought have been excellent quality. Others on the forum have

bought from him also and seem happy.

[DrSmellThis]

Liberty Natural Products

offers good oud at a good price, BTW.

[MOBLEYC57]

And this? :sick:



http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&catalog=capricornslair&

vwcatalog=capricornslair&query=OUD&IMAGE.x=19&IMAGE.y=11 (http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&catalog=capricornslair&vwcatalog=capricornslair

&query=OUD&IMAGE.x=19&IMAGE.y=11)

Rippedyouoff :twisted: or good deal :drunk: ?

Whaddayathink? :blink:

[belgareth]

I've used a number of various

Ouds now and am begining to see a pattern. The darker Ouds have the more complex, woodier scent where the lighter

ones seem to have a greener scent. The darker ones also seem to have the greatest effect on both me and those around

me. I guess it isn't too surprising that they are also the more expensive of the flavors, is it?

In the past I

have been unable to wear much of the high None products. For laughs I have been wearing a couple drops of PI (OD for

me) with the Indian Oud. The heavy oil does a good job of suppressing the OD effects. I assume it slows dispersal of

the mones. Results from the combo have been nice, lots more eye contact, flirting and touching. The mone's effects

seem to last hours longer. I have been enjoying myself.

Anybody else here try them out yet? Mobley?

[surfs_up]

avoid....avoid...avoid... weirdo city.

[belgareth]

avoid....avoid...avoid... wierdo city.
Would you mind clarifying that?

[surfs_up]

things didn't go well.

[belgareth]

With who? I'm not sure I know

who you are talking about. If you don't want to discuss them openly please PM me.

[surfs_up]

somebody here asked a question about a possible seller.

[Mtnjim]

avoid....avoid...avoid... weirdo city. Now you tell me!!:POKE:

Two weeks ago, I

placed an order with them. Last week I sent an e-mail asking about the status of my order. So far, I've gotten a

coupon for my next order, but no arrival of the things I ordered nor any response regarding the status of my order.

I'm sending them an e-mail today telling them that if my order doesn't arrive by tomorrow, I'm instructing my

credit card company to reverse the charges.

ARGGG!:frustrate

[surfs_up]

they can get real touchy about perceived criticism too. Insist that you talk to the boss, be polite but

firm, don't get taken in when if he tells you that you've offended him somehow, just say I'd like to cancel this

order, please credit my card (if that's what you want to do)...

[Mtnjim]

they can get real

touchy about perceived criticism too. Insist that you talk to the boss, be polite but firm, don't get taken in when

if he tells you that you've offended him somehow, just say I'd like to cancel this order, please credit my card

(if that's what you want to do)... I sent them an e-mail listing my complaints. Order not arriving, no

response to a request for a status report etc, I also informed them that if my order didn't arrive by Friday, I

would be instructing my credit card company to reverse the charges. If I offended him, too bad, grow thicker skin if

you're not going to provide customer service. Of course, I didn't hear from them last time, I don't expect to

now.:whip:

[MOBLEYC57]

And this?

:sick:



http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&catalog=capricornslair&vw

catalog=capricornslair&query=OUD&IMAGE.x=19&IMAGE.y=11 (http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&catalog=capricornslair&vwcatalog=capricornslair&q

uery=OUD&IMAGE.x=19&IMAGE.y=11)

Rippedyouoff :twisted: or good deal :drunk: ?

Whaddayathink? :blink:
Bel, no, I haven't ordered yet ... I will be ordering though, and soon. After a 3

year wait, my ship (small) finally rolled in!! :cheers:

Is this the place you're talking about, Surfs Up, and

where you ordered from, Signor Jim? :think:

[surfs_up]

I

ordered what was supposed to be their primo oil, got strange adulterated stuff. When I asked their Supreme Being of

Wicca what was going on he got reaaaalllly arrogant, huffing and puffing that he was an authority on the subject...

ah blah, ah blah, ah blah... concluded it wasn't worth a long distance confrontation over chump change... boy I'm

glad I don't have to live with people like that day to day... sheeeesh.

[belgareth]

I ordered what

was supposed to be their primo oil, got strange adulterated stuff. When I asked their Supreme Being of Wicca what

was going on he got reaaaalllly arrogant, huffing and puffing that he was an authority on the subject... ah blah, ah

blah, ah blah... concluded it wasn't worth a long distance confrontation over chump change... boy I'm glad I

don't have to live with people like that day to day... sheeeesh.
I can relate to that!

Now that I've

spent a pretty good chunk of change with several vendors and have had a chance to learn how they do business I can

make a few recomendations of honest businesspeople.

[MOBLEYC57]

I can relate to

that!

Now that I've spent a pretty good chunk of change with several vendors and have had a chance to learn how

they do business I can make a few recomendations of honest businesspeople.
Good, 'cause before I make my

purchase, I'm coming to you for my recommendation, Bel! :drunk:

[belgareth]

A couple others alrady have

and, even though they haven't posted results, seem pretty happy with a guy who is actually a forum member but has

been pretty quiet.

[MOBLEYC57]

A couple others

alrady have and, even though they haven't posted results, seem pretty happy with a guy who is actually a forum

member but has been pretty quiet.
Well, I just hope when my time comes ... I'll be pointed in a safe

direction, Bel. :cheers:

[Mtnjim]

... and where you

ordered from, Signor Jim? :think: Yes, that is the place.

This is the e-mail I sent them earlier

today:

"Over 2 weeks ago, I placed an order with your company.
So far, I have not received my order, a

tracking
number, or the courtesy of a response to my previous
inquiry into the status of my order. Should my

order
not arrive by Friday April 29th, I will be instructing
my credit card company to reverse the charges.




THANK YOU"

:POKE:

[burgerama1960]

I have recieved some oud

from the same guy Belgareth has. I must say it is some good stuff. You dont need to use a whole lot, not even a drop

more like 1/4 of a drop to get a good amount of sniff going. Initially the scent is quite powerful but once it has

been on the skin it tones down to a very sensual scent. It has a calming effect on me, and gets my wife in the mood.

She must have said "damn you smell good" a hundred times since I have started dabbling with the oud. I have the

royal burmese version of the oil. Very dark in color. When I wear it by itself I feel the "pheros buzz" I get from

wearing PI or a heavy dose of AE. I have tried a little of the oud with a spray of TE scented and a spray of curve

rubbed on my forearms. Boy what great smell. Makes my wife into a little sex crazed kitten. One other side note that

I have observed is it makes me last a lot longer during sex. Maybe because it puts me in a more relaxed state and my

fuse does not burn as fast. I don't know but it is some good stuff. I think oud would make an excellent combo with

A314. Could be a killer combo. I know it is with TE. I have also tried the oud oil with the above combo plus DST's

Pheros dabbed in there and boy oh boy do I smell good and feel good too!

[belgareth]

Hadn't even thought about

using it with a314. Nice idea :thumbsup: I'll have to try it. Thanks.

[metropolitan]

http://www.capricornslair.com/agoudoicoaqa.html

seems like capricorn's lair has a new batch. i've

ordered some things from them (vials not oils) and had great service, so i'm not sure what the problems have

been.

[bjf]

I have recieved

some oud from the same guy Belgareth has. I must say it is some good stuff. You dont need to use a whole lot, not

even a drop more like 1/4 of a drop to get a good amount of sniff going. Initially the scent is quite powerful but

once it has been on the skin it tones down to a very sensual scent. It has a calming effect on me, and gets my wife

in the mood. She must have said "damn you smell good" a hundred times since I have started dabbling with the oud. I

have the royal burmese version of the oil. Very dark in color. When I wear it by itself I feel the "pheros buzz" I

get from wearing PI or a heavy dose of AE. I have tried a little of the oud with a spray of TE scented and a spray

of curve rubbed on my forearms. Boy what great smell. Makes my wife into a little sex crazed kitten. One other side

note that I have observed is it makes me last a lot longer during sex. Maybe because it puts me in a more relaxed

state and my fuse does not burn as fast. I don't know but it is some good stuff. I think oud would make an

excellent combo with A314. Could be a killer combo. I know it is with TE. I have also tried the oud oil with the

above combo plus DST's Pheros dabbed in there and boy oh boy do I smell good and feel good too!

I

think the lesson with any of these deep base notes is use very little. What might smell too powerful in high

concentrations might smell very nice as a complement to your pallet.

[Mtnjim]

http://www.capricornslair.com/agoudoicoa

qa.html (http://www.capricornslair.com/agoudoicoaqa.html)

seems like capricorn's lair has a new batch. i've ordered some things from them (vials not

oils) and had great service, so i'm not sure what the problems have been.
Well, I ordered some stuff

from them a couple of weeks ago. After a week of them providing no contact, I e-mailed them asking about the status

of my order. No response and no order. After two and a half weeks I again e-mailed them about the status of my order

and again no response and no order. I went to the Yahoo site to "rate" their store and rated them poor and guess

what. Instant response of "Hey don't trash us", BUT still no response to either of my inquiries. Damn, Bruce, you

got to start stocking some of this stuff!!

[Stache]

I've been exploring Aloeswood

for a bit of a while. Most of what I've gotten came from Magnifincense in Singapore, and they're terrific to deal

with, and the prices are good. They used to have a webpage with a huge inventory of woods & oils, but now they only

post occasional Ebay ads (Although, I'd bet that they can get you whatever you're looking for at a good price if

you ask 'em). I've gotten several tiny ampoules of aloeswood oil from them, but the oil is so concentrated that a

single drop is literally all you need, & it lasts & lasts.
I'm not sure if it's actually aphrodesic, but it gets

a lot of compliments.
I'm currently using thier cheapest Cambodian oil, and a really inexpensive one I got at a

local indian market. The Cambodian is thick & slightly funky in the bottle, but smells great after it's been on the

skin for a few minutes. The cheapie from the indian market cost about $8 (US), aq tiny bottle with a roll-on top

from A.Hami bros. in Mumbai. The bottle lists a website ( link deleted) but it doesn't seem to work. It's still

quite nice, just not as complex. Still calming though.
Finally, a word on burning aloeswood chips--do it the

japanese way, by placing the charcoal under ash & the wood on a mica place (or a bit of aluminum foil) releases the

scent without burning the chip. I tried placing the wood chip right on the charcoal, but it smelled like burning

cinnamon chewing gum, & i didn't see what the fuss was about. There's a good how to of the Japanese ritual way at

(link deleted)
you can eliminate the ritual elements, of course, and a cheap, solid teacup works just fine.

[metropolitan]

sorry to hear about your

problems with carpricorn's lair. like i said, i had a good experience but i was ordering empty vials, not oils (or

gothic pentagram jewelry).
but as an aside if people are interested in experimenting with agarwood but not

interested in paying insane amounts of money madini offers some oil perfumes based on it:

http://madini.com/products/woods.htm
both the agarwood and oud

are agarwood based. you can also order a sampler of 5 perfume oils for only $10 (plus 5 postage). i think i might do

it.

[muskamber]

I do buisness with the

singapore connection and they are good honest people. i recomend them 2 any1 wanting 2 buy Oud Oil.

[Numanoid]

Well I finally

got some Aloeswood from Oriscent.com. When I first took a whiff, I thought the same thing I did when I first bought

Pheros - "I paid all that money for this stuff??".
But like Pheros, once on the skin the scent becomes

amazing. I don't really know how to explain it, but it's like no fragrance I've smelled before. The only thing is

I put on too much because I got a slight headache just after applying. The headache didn't last but the fragrance

does. I can still smell it on my wrist after nearly 24 hours.

[muskamber]

Im glad that u like it, me i

love Oud. Alamost every day i wear it.

[belgareth]

I wear it almost daily as well.

It mixes well with Impi too.

[Numanoid]

They also sent 2 free samples of

Oud Sultan Murad and Abu Madyan. Last month I ordered some of their sandalwood and I like it a lot as well. I'll

eventually try one of their amber oils. Oriscent...:thumbsup:

[belgareth]

I usually buy from a guy who

sells smaller volumes, as small as 1/4 tola. Let me know if you want the inforamtion to contact him. He's reliable

and has nice products.

[bjf]

Well I finally got

some Aloeswood from Oriscent.com. When I first took a whiff, I thought the same thing I did when I first bought

Pheros - "I paid all that money for this stuff??".
But like Pheros, once on the skin the scent becomes

amazing. I don't really know how to explain it, but it's like no fragrance I've smelled before. The only thing is

I put on too much because I got a slight headache just after applying. The headache didn't last but the fragrance

does. I can still smell it on my wrist after nearly 24 hours.

Someone told me it smelled like

pinetar.

Is it really that good or one of these things that's an acquired taste?

[belgareth]

Some thought on that.
1. The

smell in the bottle is different from the smell on yuor skin. If that person only smelled it out of the bottle that

might acount for it.
2. Aloeswood is reactive to your skin chemistry so it will smell differently depending on the

user.
3. I have 7 flavors of it now. Other than one reaction that could have as easily been from the mones I was

wearing, everybody who as commented has like it. That every comment came from a woman tends to make me think it

smells good on me.
4. It is extremely popular all over the world with people paying thousands of dollars for a tola

(12 grams). It seems unlikely that so many would pay so much for something that stinks.
5. All but one of the

people I have convinced to try it have reacted favorably, including a hand full of forum members.

[DCW]

Some thought on

that.
1. The smell in the bottle is different from the smell on yuor skin. If that person only smelled it out of

the bottle that might acount for it.
2. Aloeswood is reactive to your skin chemistry so it will smell differently

depending on the user.
3. I have 7 flavors of it now. Other than one reaction that could have as easily been from

the mones I was wearing, everybody who as commented has like it. That every comment came from a woman tends to make

me think it smells good on me.
4. It is extremely popular all over the world with people paying thousands of

dollars for a tola (12 grams). It seems unlikely that so many would pay so much for something that stinks.
5. All

but one of the people I have convinced to try it have reacted favorably, including a hand full of forum

members.


Sounds interesting what flavors do you have?
How does it compare to Amouage (I'm

assumeing you tried it).


DCW

[belgareth]

Sorry but no I haven't tried

it. Commercial scents never interested me. As I explained in the original post starting this thread, I still have no

real interest in them.

Let's see...
Indian (2 flavors), Cambodian, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Burman, Indonisian.

For me the darker oil like Indian are better smelling, not so sweet as the Indonisian.

[bjf]

Some thought on

that.
1. The smell in the bottle is different from the smell on yuor skin. If that person only smelled it out of

the bottle that might acount for it.
2. Aloeswood is reactive to your skin chemistry so it will smell differently

depending on the user.
3. I have 7 flavors of it now. Other than one reaction that could have as easily been from

the mones I was wearing, everybody who as commented has like it. That every comment came from a woman tends to make

me think it smells good on me.
4. It is extremely popular all over the world with people paying thousands of

dollars for a tola (12 grams). It seems unlikely that so many would pay so much for something that stinks.
5. All

but one of the people I have convinced to try it have reacted favorably, including a hand full of forum

members.

Interesting.

I'd like to try a cheap version myself at a shop. Even if it's just

diluated, just to get a general sense of what this stuff is like.

[belgareth]

Look back through the thread,

somebody (Icehawk?) found a place where he could get a small sample for a few dollars.

[bjf]

online I presume?

[belgareth]

I think so. It's been a while

and I'm old. Memory problems, you know.

[bjf]

I'm not sure if you've had this

issue but I've found some of the deeper notes in fragrances/oils can really latch onto none or npa/te and form

something that just gets worse over time. Any idea how the aloeswoods generally do with the dirty mones?

[belgareth]

One of my experiments was to

use the heavy oil of Aloeswood over -none products to slow dispersion. I tried it with 1 & 2 drops of PI. It worked

out well. Although I should mention that most days I shower twice because I like to hit the dojo in the late

afternoon or evening and really need to shower afterwards. However, I have worn it when we go out for the evening

and don't seem to have any problems the next moring. I can even think of a few times where my SO woke up um...quite

randy. :)

[wood elf]

The aloeswood scent is of the

nicest I have been exposed. He wears it most days. It is a masculine scent that is appealing.

[chicago]

bel, does aloewoods oil smell

similar to sandlewood oil ????
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[belgareth]

Not much. It is far more

complex and richer with more subtle overtones. Sandalwood or cedar are often used as a base for Aloeswood attars.

[gfunk]

Sandalwood or

cedar are often used as a base for Aloeswood attars.

So, are you saying that you might want to try to

combine Sandalwood or Cedar with Aloeswood, or is the Aloeswood Attars you speak of a seperate product? Or are you

really saying that Aloeswood contains these other woods?:blink:

Cheers!:angel:

[belgareth]

Aloeswood is an essential oil,

is pure and is used all by itself. An attar is diluted or mixed aloeswood. It can be done to save money, mellow

aloeswood or combine it with other scents. I've used sandalwood and aloeswood together it it is pretty nice but I

prefer aloeswood by itself. Typically, when you mix it with something else the scent does not last nearly as long.

In many cases I can still smell pure aloeswood on my the next day. Also, there are lots of shady dealers out there

who mix aloeswood with other less expensive scents like cedar or sandalwoood and pass it off as pure. Horsewhipping

is too good for them.

[Numanoid]

I usually buy

from a guy who sells smaller volumes, as small as 1/4 tola. Let me know if you want the inforamtion to contact him.

He's reliable and has nice products.

That would be greatly appreciated

Belgareth.
Thanks:thumbsup: .

[belgareth]

Check your PMs.

[errgo]

How much is a good amount to wear

of this stuff? I've been using the Aloeswood sampler from Oriscent for a couple of weeks now, and I usually wear

one dab on each wrist and one dab on each side of the neck.

[belgareth]

That should be fine. Just

don't wear so much as to repel people.

[muskamber]

I can get thru a 3ml bottle of

Oud in a week. U shud wear has much as u like. The 1st time that i smelt Oud, 7yrs ago, i thought what the hell is

this! Now i been wearing it for 6 yrs and i love it mor than ever. The word Attar or Atthar just means essence,

basicly anything thats not got chemicals in it. Ittar means the same and an Ittari is sum1 who sells Attar.

[real_wiseman]

Are the Oriscent agarwood

samples worth the $139.95 it costs?

// w

[belgareth]

If you are really interested in

knowing about a wide range of LLaoeswood flavors and can spare the money, yes. I never bought the samples but ended

up dealing with a guy who sells smaller quantities at very reasonable prices. Overall I spent more money but got

more value for the money spent.

[real_wiseman]

First of all, my gratitude to

Belgareth who pointed me to a good source of Aloeswood oil in Singapore!

That said, the oil ( Burmese

Aloeswood ) arrived today and I must say that it smelled kind of peculiar...so I have not dared to use it undilluted

yet!

I got a very small amount on my fingers and I could smell a burnt note in it, as well as a woody note

reminding me of Sandalwood Mysore and also some leather notes.
(And you should know that I have had surgery twice

on my nose due to a Martial Art injury so some days I have almost no smell and some days I can pinpoint notes in

perfumes...Go figure...After the surgery I have to flush saltwater up my nose each day as well for the rest of my

life, but that is a small price to pay to be able to breathe and smell again...but this tells you a little bit about

the strongness of the smell...)

I will probably *not* wear this by itself, but have it as a basenote in my

attempts to mix essential oils which I will take up at last...

Since the smell is very strong I will probably

have to dillute it in vegetable carrier oil before using it in any EO mix, but how much? Someone here mentioned 0.4

% which is like half a drop of Aloeswood in 200 drops of carrieroil right?

Thanks again Belgareth!

[belgareth]

Your welcome.

I still

reccomend you try it stand alone. A very small dab spread on your skin won't be overwhelming. It also changes as it

reacts to your body chemistry. The smell in the container is not the smell on your skin.

[Skylite]

I took a look on the oriscent

page today, and checked the ouds they sell.
They look very interesting to me especially the borneo 3000 and the

royal oud!
The royal sounds veryyy interesting :wub:
But the price for these samples is high and they say the

samplers are just 1/4 filled...:think:
Did anyone check them out?
Are they worth the price?
How much is inside

such a sample??? (1ml?)

(The usual bottles are 3 ml that means a quater Tola and even then they are veryyyyy

expensive...)

Happy for any comment on that!:kiss:

[Skylite]

Well, a few days ago I decided

to order the Oriscent Oud Samplers and some other samples, eventhough i didnt know how they would be! :think:


Today they arrived at my home and I have to say they are marvelous!!! :cheers: Each one is worth its money!!! And

I mean each one!!!
The best of all are the oud samples, each of them is a treasure and exactly
as described on

their weppage!!!
And the king of them all is really the oud royale!!!
It has a very intoxicating, lovely and

beautifull smell!!! :box:
Its not to strong and very mystic.
Its just great!
I am happy to be one of the few

people who have some of it!!! :rofl:
Because the owner of Oriscent told me that it will soon be soldout, and if

its soldout... :run: :frustrate
On his webpage he describes that the wood usually used for oud is low quality and

the high grade wood is not used for oil making, just for burning on charcoal.(That is a fact I allready knew and was

very dissapointed about that its very hard to get an oil of high quality oud wood) :sad:
But anyway he could get

some 23!!! jear old oud from a rich oudlover who distilled the BEST woods available at his time. :thumbsup:
I

think its one of the few chances to get such old and especially such high grade oud oil for an affordable price.
I

am now owner of at least a sample of it and I hope my budget will soon recover again to be able to get maybe some

more of it before its gone(if my wife allows me :POKE: )
But the other Ouds are great too and very pure, very

interesting was the china oud wich has a very extraordinary smell i never experienced with any oud i smelled before!


I also got some ambergris oil (and its high quality, I know that cause I smells exactly like the ambergris stone

I have) and a lot of samples wich I thought would be of ordinary qulitaty, but they were not, even the non oud

fragrances i got were great!
Especially the Turkish Rose Attar!!!!!!!
Jasmine and musk were also great!!!:cheers:


I talked on the phone with the owner himself (he called me from usa, eventhough I live in germany and just have

cellular phone!) and we talked about 20 minutes or more. It was very interesting, cause he gave me a lot good

advices and informations!
He is a very nice guy and gave me some additional samples to try!!!!
I can recommend him

very much and i am going to buy from him for sure again!!! :drunk:
Its very hard to find a trustworth source for

oud! (and other fragrances)
If you find one, never let it go!!!
Thats what I experienced, I hope it will be

usefull for you!!!
(Any questions are welcome)
:type:

[belgareth]

Just recieved a bottle of

Malaysian Oud that's reputed to be about 30 years old. Fantastic smell. Can't wait to see how others think it

smells on me.

[chicago]

bel, how much is something like

that selling for ???
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[belgareth]

The price varies. Of this

quality a tola (12 grams) can sell for $250-$1,000. I paid near the low end but only bought 1/4 tola. Now that I've

tried it I'll be going back for more.

[djronin47]

Just received the sample set

of Oud from oriscent today. gotta say that stuff is pretty potent. I tried using 1 briefly today to get a feel for

it diluted on my skin w/ a lil bit of pheros. the 2 seem to blend so well together. haven't had time to test it out

in the field so to speak much yet but hope it works out ok. I can already tell that it has a calming affect on me

and nearly a buzz off of it when it was mixed with pheros

[gfunk]

Also just received the sample

set of Oud from oriscent today!:angel:

:type: My first impression was paint, laquer or polish or something!!

:blink::blink: Real woody stuff, then after trying some of the royale on my wrists it reminded me of a little the

above and also weed. :sick: On one wrist I sprayed some cologne over to see if it goes with it, and it seemed to

blend easily, in fact it sort of kept the oud scent and added a bit of the notes from the cologne. The wrist

w/cologne did actually keep the scent for a much longer time!

So to my questions;

-anyone use oud with

cologne?

-anyone tried it with A314 & cologne?

-anyone tried it with A314 and pheros?



Thanks :thumbsup:

[djronin47]

Since receiving the sample set

I have noticed they smell a lot better after you let them sit on the skin for at least 30 or so minutes to mellow

out. also they blend quite nicely w/ cologne and Pheros.
I've only tried it with 2 colognes.
Halston Z, and Acqua

di Gio.

Only tried it 1 day w/ a314 and get the usual extra respect that a314 tends to get me but not much more.

the oud itself though significantly mellows me out. yet also seems to be enhancing confidence as well.

[chicago]

i got my samples and when i

smell them, i threw them right in the trash. $149 in the trash. oud is not for

me
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[Mtnjim]

i got my samples and

when i smell them, i threw them right in the trash. $149 in the trash. oud is not for me
You should have

said something. Someone here would have bought them from you.

[belgareth]

Yup, I would have and several

others as well.

I guess there's no accounting for taste. :)

[gfunk]

Anyone care to tell me in which

order to layer these ingredients please:

NPA, A1, A314, Oud and Pheros.

I'm planning to have one point each

side of the neck.

Also, Bel, do you wear cologne with your oud? In fact what is the things you like to combine

it with?


Many thanks! :angel:

[belgareth]

No, there is no point to

wearing cologne with Oud. The scent is potent all by itself. I put it over NPA or SoE most often but have also put

it over Chikara with good results.

[Rbt]

i got my samples and

when i smell them, i threw them right in the trash. $149 in the trash. oud is not for me

A) where is

your trash can and when is the pickup?

B) I certainly hope you were kidding.

C) and if you really don't

want them PLEASE use the "Exvhange" thread I started a while back. I'm sure you'd find willing buyers. Maybe even

Super Cheapo me.

[blktalon]

I just orderd

both the sampler, and a few from QT. I'll let you know how they work on me. Thanks a bunch Belgareth.

[belgareth]

I'lll tell you honestly, some

people have come back and told me Aloeswood was awful and others have come back and told me how wonderful it is. I

and my wife like it, others don't. So, I wish you luck and hope it turns out to be a good experience for you.

[gfunk]

Do you mean awful as smelling you

while wearing it, or someone giving you feedback from smelling the samples?

The samples I've tried didn't

immediately strike me as a success, neither do I believe in them being good enough as standalones. However I think

they blend amazingly with any other cologne, and they have this impact that makes you want to sniff and sniff, so

that must be a winner!:thumbsup:

For me to be able to find the very optimal oud product that might even work as a

standalone I have to buy some more samples to try out. And as soon as my budget allows my I will!

:thumbsup:

:drunk:

[belgareth]

By awful I mean the smell. But

others, including my wife like the scent of plain Oud on me. Its a matter of taste. I really can't argue with a

thousand years of success so don't bother mixing with commercial colognes. But I've never found a commercial

cologne I would wear either.

[blktalon]

Belgareth,
Did you ever try out the stuff you got that was 20 or so years old?

[belgareth]

Belgareth,


Did you ever try out the stuff you got that was 20 or so years old?

Oh yes. It is very nice. I've

only used about 1/4 of the bottle but am considering ordering more before it runs out.

[evobenny]

bel today i gotten my 1st

bottle of oud from that guy u recommended to me, hehe my 1st taste of oud, this was dark and sticky kind , he says

it the vietnam lowest grade, i had it for like 50 sing$ for like 31 usd.

it something really funny in smell, i

put on some and went ard in office letting ppl smell it, some said it was quite strong smelling some liked

it.

next payday i gonna try some malasian oud! hehe

[blktalon]

I tried one of the different

ones today and though wow...wierd scent going on...after an hour I loved it. I came home worked out and it changed

again. I showered and put on a different type and I'm waiting for that to meld into me. It's wild how the scent

mellows and changes. Several women this morning were like..whoa...on the walk by (nice grin). One even turned

around and was very inquisitive into what I had on.

[belgareth]

That's one of the great things

about Oud, it's unique for everybodyand changes with our skin chemistry. Don't judge it by the smell in the bottle

or the first few minutes on your skin.

[blktalon]

It's amazing like that. The

whole day it mellows and changes. The first whiff and I was like ohhh.. I dunno... But I'm finding myself smelling

it all the time on my forearm. I love it, and I'm a reaaaal hyper person by nature and it's very calming for me.

Natural Xanax for me. :)

[gfunk]

I'm still testing out the

different samples now and from what I seems is that the most expensive ones (Pure Indian, Royal and Borneo) seems to

be of much better quality than the cheaper ones than the cheaper ones (Sultan, Archip & Papua). I guess you get what

you pay for.

Dear Belgareth could you please comment on your prefferred ouds compared to these ones? Thanks!

:thumbsup:

A few moments after applying to skin I feel a small headache, but it goes straight away

again.:think:

[belgareth]

Instead I'll generalize

because I haven't kept track of all the flavors very well.

First, you're very right that you get what you pay

for. I'd love to get hold of some of that $10,000 per tola but its a little rich for my budget.:frustrate Damned

expensive tastes anyway!

Overall, the darker brown Ouds seem to match me better. I didn't find the green or

yellow ones all that appealing. There may be something to the idea that skin color plays a role. My skin is about as

pale as you can get. The older (20+ years? Maybe) Oud I bought is fantastic! It is quite different from the others,

much richer and lasts longer too.

It doesn't give me a headache but I get a buzz and it mellows me out a lot.

I've been called intense more than once, both my wife and friends have noticed a difference while I wear it. And I

do catch myself sniffing my arm while driving or working on somebody's computer. I also catch females smelling me.

Not a bad thing since I use it over mones (SoE or NPA usually.) It seems to slow dispersal or mellow the effects.

I'm not sure which.

[gfunk]

Overall, the darker brown

Ouds seem to match me better. I didn't find the green or yellow ones all that appealing.

I have the

same impression, and it seems that from my samples the royale is the best of them. Did you buy the 20+ old oud from

Ham Firm or did you find some other place?

There's something that really tingles my nose, thus it really makes

you smell over and over again. Now that's pure attractant there! :)

[blktalon]

Belgareth,
All I can say is

amazing. So today I put Chikara and pure indian oud together. I'm at work, mind you, and I've got a bit of DSL

equipment to comission, the manager on duty was WAY..like WAY chatty, told me whole life's story, and he's usually

very uptight and hyper, and today seemed very mellow. I know that after I've had it on for some time I've noticed

that I get very confident and relaxed. Ok so I leave there and head over to Radioshack to get a new antenna for my

radio and the girl behind the counter is very chatty cathy, awesome body language she actually took my hand in hers

and ran the credit card through the machine. I looked up and she just smiled. I keep catching myself smelling

myself, I put it on the forearm as well and I'm always sniffing when it comes near my nose. I can say I'm still

WAYYYY in the infancy of the oud/aloeswood trial, but thus far I'm hooked. When it mixes with your natural

chemistry and the little bit of mones it's amazing stuff for me. I want to try some lighter stuff just for kicks

and I'm going to order some different kinds to check them out. Thanks for a great primer and all the data on it.

[belgareth]

Sorry I didn't get back

sooner. Had to go someplace suddenly. I'm glad you are getting good results and hope you enjoy the stuff as much as

I do.

[gfunk]

Hi, it's me again! :wave:

:D

I was just re-reading this whole thread when I saw Wood elf's post, which was a joking reply to

Mobley:

"Please do order the sample pack, you will like it very much but consider carefully before wearing it

with your dancing outfit. It is a manly smell."

Well, I'm going clubbing this weekend, and was thinking about

wearing oud too! I was under the impression that this would be a great idea, since the oud is working like "come

smell me more" and then making the mones do the magic. :blink::think:

In fact, I'd like to wear either Pure

Indian or the Borneo, if anyone has suggestions then I will personally thank you! :thumbsup:

[belgareth]

I'd wear the Indian. But,

<Insert a Mobely disclaimer here> Since I do not do clubs. Personally, I think Aloeswood and mones and all the

others are best for less frenetic environments. In any case, best of luck.

[evobenny]

hmmm seem like u guys got all

the high quality oud, mine was the cheapest i got possible from bel's supplier a mere $sing 50 rougly $30 usd, i

myself love smelling it but my mom and ton of others say it was awfull, smelling of wood as in being in a warehouse

storing wood.

on my payday i would try the 20 year oud as bel has bought, hehe the malaysian 1 i tink

[evobenny]

and bel if u dun wan the green

or yellow oud maybe i could buy them off u cheap?

[Numanoid]

i got my samples

and when i smell them, i threw them right in the trash. $149 in the trash. oud is not for

me

Did you even try them on your skin at all? I thought the same

thing at first whiff, but after putting some on and letting it settle, the fragrance became incredible.

[Muscle4Hire]

So wait, why are you

spending so much money on this Aloeswood? I mean I'd have to get pretty incredible hits to shell out 380$/tola.



So are these hits like the magic bullet or something... I'm really beginning to understand how important cover

scents are but is this Aloeswood really important to that attraction?

[belgareth]

So wait, why

are you spending so much money on this Aloeswood? I mean I'd have to get pretty incredible hits to shell out

380$/tola.

So are these hits like the magic bullet or something... I'm really beginning to understand how

important cover scents are but is this Aloeswood really important to that attraction?

A good question

but I doubt my answer is going to satisfy you. Perhaps, like with cooking and a few other things I'm involved in,

I'm a snob about it. Commercial scents have never appealed to me. Not only have I never found one I liked, even if

I did it would mean that a couple million other men are wearing it too. That wouldn't suit my self image at all.

Aloeswood is highly reactive to skin chemistry and temperature and evolves during the day as well as reacting to

your changing moods.

I can see paying $300- $400 for something I like, especially since it takes so little and

lasts so long. It is probably no more expensive than the high end colognes others on these forums use. There are

others who pay upwards of $2,000 for a tola of Aloeswood. A little out of my league.

If you'll do a little

reading you'll learn that Aloeswood has other properties. It relaxes the mind of both the wearer and the people

close to him. It has a soothing effect and is even used in certain religious ceremonies for that reason.

Wearing

Aloeswood I have had one negative reaction but am still not sure what that was from. Other than that I have had a

long stream of compliments and hit after hit. I can't tell you if its the mones I wear, the Aloeswood, my state of

mind or my attitude and I don't really care. It works for me. It has improved my personal and professional life and

is worth every dime I've invested for that reason.

A lot of the experienced forum users will tell you that

mones will not make women fall from the ceiling to dry hump your leg. The same applies to Aloeswood. Don't expect

miracles from it. Matter of fact, don't expect anything from it. If you decide to try it, PM me and I'll give you

the contact info for a guy I use who will sell you smaller quantities. He's honest and sells decent product. But I

make no promises that you'll even like the scent.

[slickracer]

hey guys, how do you put a

fraction of a drop on your self?:blink:

[belgareth]

Many bottles come with a little

plastic dipstick. You get a little oil on the stick and wipe it on your skin.

[slickracer]

ohhh alright, that makes

sence. thx

[CAtriathlete]

Big Bump!

Okay, I ordered my Oud sampler from Oriscent on Thursday and it arrived today (Sat) in CA. What

service!

"Hmmm... tiny little vials... let's open up this one that says "China Sweet"... whoa! harsh smell-- a

bit like turpentine... let me wipe this little dipstick across my wrist--- wow! hmm... very earthy odor, changing by

the minute-- now it reminds me of hash oil I haven't smelled in 20 years-- I can't resist whiffing it a lot--

it's so primal and familiar, yet like nothing I've ever smelled before... I'm getting light headed... better sit

down"

I can see how this might make the ultimate all-natural cover scent... I can't wait to get out in public

and try it with some A7-- when I can walk straight again!

I'll keep you posted...

-CAt

[CAtriathlete]

So now I've been using Oud

every day for a few days.

This stuff is amazing. I'm hooked. I can't believe how the scent evolves during the

day on my skin.

And I can't imagine a more perfect cover for mones. The way it blends with unscented A7, SOE,

and A1 is perfect.

Thanks you guys!!!

-CAt

[belgareth]

Glad you like it. Oud isn't to

everybody's taste. Look back through the thread, there is a link for Ham Furl. He's a good resource for a wide

variety at decent prices. Good guy to deal with.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks Bel!

I already

found Ham Firl in the thread and have been in contact with him.

I must admit that of the Oriscent samplers I

like ones that are more sweet and floral (Sweet China & Borneo Green) than Assam Organic which smells way too much

like a barnyard to me. I can't get past the extreme musky, almost fecal quality. Perhaps over time I will acquire a

taste for the more musky varieties (like over time I went from a white wine guy to only Cabs and Zins), but for now

I think I will stick with the sweeter Ouds.

What can you recommend-- Ham Firl provides little in the way of

scent notes, though for sweeter Ouds he suggested Kalimantan, Vietnamese, and Burmese Minchina. Which

of these have you tried? What do you think?

And have you tried the Borneo 3000 at Oriscent?

Your scenting

notes would be appreciated.

Best,

CAt

[belgareth]

I'm the last person to ask for

information about scenting notes, being very poor at describing them. QT will give you far better information than I

can. I do agree about the Assam Organic, though. No, I haven't tried the Borneo 3000.

My personal taste ranges

more towards the musky but away from the fecal/barnyard smell. In general the darker the oil the muskier the scent.

I'm older, so that might explain the taste difference. Sweet ones just don't do it for me so my questions have all

been directed that way.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks again Bel,

I'll

see if I can get more scenting notes from Ham Firl. If any of the rest of you have recommendations for sweeter

varieties of Oud oils, please let me know. And if anyone has tried the Borneo 3000 from Oriscent, please let me

know.

Best,

CAt

[jpidre]

Just bought some Borneo... I'll

let you know after I get it in. I'm told by the guy at Oriscent that it's the shit from an aphrodisiac

standpoint... we'll see. Also, bought some of this musk he has. He told me its the real deal... again,

aphrodisiac... we'll see... obviously he's in it for the cash... but I'll share my experience when I get this

stuff.

[belgareth]

I've been buying musk from

another guy and using it with Oud. Makes a nice combo.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks jpidre,

I gave

in and ordered a sample of the Borneo 3000 myself. I'll be very interested to compare notes with you!

-CAt

[slickracer]

oh my, i have forgotten all

about these!! i was actually getting ready to buy this back in the day for somereason i forgot all about it. i think

im going to buy some from oriscent (i think i still have the link saved up.

can someone tell me (or pm me) a

link of where i migh get some burmess ones i really like to try it seeing as how i am burmess and lived there up

untill i was around 10.

also can someone tell me or pm me what ham firl is?

lol hope this dosn't turn into

another addiction for me.

dose anyone ever dilude it with like water or something? to save money and make it

last longer or will it compramise the quality of the product?

[belgareth]

also

can someone tell me or pm me what ham firl is?

lol hope this dosn't turn into another addiction for me.



dose anyone ever dilude it with like water or something? to save money and make it last longer or will it

compramise the quality of the product?

Ham furl is a contact I buy most of my Oud from. He sells a wide

variety of good quality products in smaller quantities. He also has an Ebay store: QT's Store. Do a search on Ebay

for Aloeswood and you'll find him.

Yes, you can dilute oud with oils but not water. A common base to mix with

oud is cedar or sandalwood. That's called an Attar. I don't like the diluted much and you need so little oud that

it really isn't expensive.

[CAtriathlete]

oh

my, i have forgotten all about these!! i was actually getting ready to buy this back in the day for somereason i

forgot all about it. i think im going to buy some from oriscent (i think i still have the link saved up.

can

someone tell me (or pm me) a link of where i migh get some burmess ones i really like to try it seeing as how i am

burmess and lived there up untill i was around 10.

also can someone tell me or pm me what ham firl is?

lol

hope this dosn't turn into another addiction for me.

dose anyone ever dilude it with like water or something?

to save money and make it last longer or will it compramise the quality of the product?

Slickracer--



Take it from me: don't buy these unless you are ready for another expensive addiction. This stuff is amazing...

and already breaking my bank account.

I totally agree with Bel-- no need to dilute it. You can use the bottle's

dipstick to apply a tiny amount that goes a long way.

Let us know when you try them and what you think!



-CAt

[idesign]

I've

been buying musk from another guy and using it with Oud. Makes a nice combo.

Can you give us a

link?

[idesign]

scenting notes would be appreciated.

Best,

CAt

I've

been experimenting with ouds the last couple of days. I think Ham Firl's Royal Oud is very similar to Oriscent's

Assam. These are the only ones I've tried to this point, and are the darker ones.

It definitely starts in

ye olde barnyard, with all the glorious remains left on the ground. I even hesitated before putting it on my skin

thinking "do I want to smell like that?". It basically stinks.

Took the plunge and was very glad. It did

take a while (an hour) for it to settle, and I'd advise against rubbing it on and dashing out to the Ritz, unless

you'd prefer the servant's entrance, to which the doorman would certainly usher you as he pinched his nose and

thought wistfully of lavender.

This stuff is powerful, as in The King. It continually changes as others have

noted. What starts out in the bottle as the devil's curse sweetens and mellows into something which seems so

darned FAMILIAR, but then again not at all familiar because its so exotic smelling. Sandalwood on steroids? It

almost defies description.

It sweetens to be sure, but does not lose its strong earthy base. Its not at all

floral or spicy or woodsy, but very warm and inviting. My nose is trying to come up with words to describe it. It

definitely gets better the more it ages on my skin.

Definitely not for everyone, but I like it, and can't

wait to experiment with the other varieties. I do get a calming effect too BTW.

Late in the day I put a drop

of A1 on my inner elbow with a little oud. Several hours later it has a sweet pleasant musky rutting smell, and I

envision the right woman chewing on my arm while she's disrobing. Sorry, just thinking positive thoughts

here.

Let you know when I try the others,
Greg

[belgareth]

Can you

give us a link?
It's the same guy we've talked about before, Ham Furl. He lists it on his EBay store. The

chinese musk is far better than the other, IMO.

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Gents,

I received

sample bottle of Borneo 3000 today. Sweet, but not too. Very complex, musky-earthy, with honey overtones. And not so

turpentine right out of the bottle as any others.

I swabbed a bit on my wrists and rubbed. Then 2 drops of A1

rubbed between my forearms. 10" SOE across my upper chest. Finally, 1 drop of A7 split on my fingers and then rubbed

on the edge of my armpits. Headed over to visit the wonderful woman I'm dating, who loves complex odors (and has

started asking me not to shower before we get together!!).

I had her smell my wrists and her eyes rolled into

the back of her head. That's a definite vote of approval for the Borneo 3000. (She kept smelling my armpits too,

saying she loves my body odor. I feel like I'm cheating a bit and will eventually need to tell her about the mones

if we get more serious.)

I don't kiss and tell, but let me simply share that it was otherwordly "love in the

afternoon"--very animal.

Thanks Guys!

-CAt

[idesign]

Had a similar experience this

past weekend. Covered mones with oud and the unique scent opened the door. She loved it.

I used the Vietnamese

oud from Ham Firl. Much lighter and sweeter than his Royal, and Oriscent's Assam. Perhaps too sweet for my

taste.

Complexity in these oils is interesting. They seem to have a contrast, like a flower laying in freshly

turned soil. The flower attracts, and the soil welcomes you to the neighborhood.

[CAtriathlete]

Had a

similar experience this past weekend. Covered mones with oud and the unique scent opened the door. She loved it.



I used the Vietnamese oud from Ham Firl. Much lighter and sweeter than his Royal, and Oriscent's Assam. Perhaps

too sweet for my taste.

Complexity in these oils is interesting. They seem to have a contrast, like a flower

laying in freshly turned soil. The flower attracts, and the soil welcomes you to the neighborhood.



Sounds great iD!!

I like your new avatar image... that's the way to wake up to coffee!

If you find any

of the Ouds too sweet for your taste, I'd be happy to trade for my Assam Organic sample. It's much too earthy for

me.

Best,

CAt

[slickracer]

ohhh man, the more i

read.....

hmm so it seems lighter ones are more floral and darker ones are earthy.

ever though about wearing

both at once? to balance them out?

[CAtriathlete]

ohhh man, the more i read.....

hmm so it seems lighter ones are more floral and darker

ones are earthy.

ever though about wearing both at once? to balance them out?

Don't get me wrong:

they ALL have an earthy foundation. That is the nature of Oud. We are talking about subtle but very significant

differences in the other scent notes. And in fact, some of the Ouds have been blended already to balance them out.



I would recommend that anyone who is getting started to buy the sampler from Oriscent. It is a relatively

inexpensive way to sample a range of high quality Ouds.

Best,

-CAt

[idesign]

Don't get me wrong: they ALL have an earthy foundation. That is the nature of Oud. We

are talking about subtle but very significant differences in the other scent notes. And in fact, some of the Ouds

have been blended already to balance them out.

I would recommend that anyone who is getting started to buy the

sampler from Oriscent. It is a relatively inexpensive way to sample a range of high quality Ouds.

Best,



-CAt

CAt, does Oriscent blend their ouds? I know Ham Firl does not, and sells the pure oil from

whatever country. It'd be interesting to know about Oriscent's practices.

BTW, did you get an email from

Oriscent about the Kyara?

"The rarest type of agarwood,

Kyara is the most expensive aromatic substance on earth. A single gram of authentic green kyara

retails for $395. A solid piece weighing a kilogram or more would be in the millions. Ounce for ounce, kyara is

eighteen times more expensive than gold. Out of all things precious that are bought and sold, only the

largest, most precious diamonds command a price as high as genuine kyara agarwood"

In contrast, the least

expensive way to try oud is to go on eBay and do a search for Aloeswood. You'll find Ham Firl there and he sells

single samples for as little as $12US post included. Of course at that price you don't get much, but enough to try

it many times, and its a good introduction. Try the lighter ones first if you're concerned about the strong earth

scent. But really, the stronger dark oils do mellow nicely and become pleasantly sweet in time. The initial scent

bears no resemblence whatsoever to the "wearing" scent.

Another thing to try is mixing or layering

different oils. This is going to be my next favorite experiment, after mones of course. I've ordered some pure

sandalwood and chinese musk (thanks belgareth) and can't wait to try them out both alone and layered with

oud.

And I plan to take out a second mortgage on my kids when Pheros becomes available. Just kidding, I don't

have any children... too bad.

Have fun!
Greg

[idesign]

Sounds great iD!!

I like your new avatar image... that's the way to wake up to

coffee!

If you find any of the Ouds too sweet for your taste, I'd be happy to trade for my Assam Organic

sample. It's much too earthy for me.

Best,

CAt

Thanks CAt, thought I'd rather look at two of my

favorite things while I'm here.

I may be interested in a trade, but need to experiment more. I'll let you

know.

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Greg,

I spoke to

the owner of Oriscent (nice guy) to find out more about which of his Ouds would suit me best. I told him how much I

liked the honey scent in Sweet China, and he said that the sweetness comes from a small amount of Borneo 3000 he

blended into it-- otherwise the China would be too barnyard. So, some Oriscent Ouds are single source and some are

blended.

I got the email on the Kyara, and it sounds tempting, but I've already taken out a second mortgage for

Ouds and mones, and I do have kids I need to put through college soon.

I think you should buy some just to let

us all know how yummy it really is!

In any case, do let me know how the latering experiements go. I'm

interested in the sandalwood myself.

Best,

CAt

[idesign]

I think you should buy some just to let us all know how yummy it really is!

In any case, do let me know how

the latering experiements go. I'm interested in the sandalwood myself.
Best, CAt

Ha! You're very

generous with MY money CAt! Too rich for me, and I've already spent too much on EOs at this point. I've gotten

hooked there too, sigh...

The layering has taken on a life of its own and I love it. I need to start taking

notes, but my experiments are very unscientific at this point.

Tonight I tried a swab of Oud, a swab of Mysore

Sandalwood and a swab of Lavender Maillette, all high quality oils. I keep smelling my wrist and arm and am amazed.

Its a whole new world, and coupled with the mones I don't know who could resist.

Takes some time though, but

I figure its worth it.

Keep us posted on your experiments too. I have A314 but have not tried it, wondering if

you have. Just bought Chikara scented, should have gotten the unscented, I dislike the smell.

Take care,
Greg

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Greg,

The layering

sounds interesting. I am getting ready to order some Sandalwood oil from Ham Firl. Did you get the regular Mysore or

the Double Super Mysore? How do you like it?

I have not yet tried A314 but have started becoming curious about

it. I'll need to figure out where it fits in with my current use of A7, A1, and SOE. I welcome any ideas about

combining these with A314.

-CAt

[idesign]

I got his 100&#37; CO2 Wild

Mysore. I like it a lot, and it seems fresher, greener than the other Sandals I have. I've been reading that CO2

extracts have a different effect on the resulting oil from, say steam distilled. No matter what you get from H-F

you'll like it.

I have a function this weekend, and a date. Think I'll try the A314 at least once. Maybe see

what it does with SoE and leave out the A1.

Greg

[CAtriathlete]

I got

his 100% CO2 Wild Mysore. I like it a lot, and it seems fresher, greener than the other Sandals I have. I've been

reading that CO2 extracts have a different effect on the resulting oil from, say steam distilled. No matter what you

get from H-F you'll like it.

I have a function this weekend, and a date. Think I'll try the A314 at least

once. Maybe see what it does with SoE and leave out the A1.

Greg

Hey Greg,

I got some of the CO2

Mysore this week. It really is very "green". My new g/f and I both think it smells like fresh sawdust--not so

pleasant. It mellows a bit after an hour or two, but I suspect I would like the steam distillation stuff much

better. This does blend fairly well with Oud, though.

How are the experiments with A314 coming along?

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

It seems like the Royal Oud or some Cambodian may be just the thing to compliment my NPA or even my

Alpha7 unscented.

Cant wait to splash a bit on, Alpha7, that is as havn't used it for awhile, and well, like i am

in the mood for love :rasp:

Just out of curiosity i wonder if the Asian women like the Oud ?

[CAtriathlete]

My g/f loves when I wear

Oud. Whenever I wear a dab on my wrist, she continually grabs it to draw it close to her nose and take in big

whiffs. Little does she know that there is A7 and A1 lurking within the Oud scent.

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

My g/f loves when I wear Oud. Whenever I wear a dab on my wrist, she continually grabs

it to draw it close to her nose and take in big whiffs. Little does she know that there is A7 and A1 lurking within

the Oud scent.

-peterWhat a cunning and devious man you are naughty

one.

It

seems i had better order some Oud forthwith for some serious scientific investigation. :D

[CAtriathlete]

It seems i had better order some Oud forthwith

for some serious scientific investigation. :D

Yes, I would recommend it! I just got some

Sandalwood oil from Ham Firl on Ebay-- other L-S forum members have also reported great success with him for Oud.



Let me know what you discover!

-CAt

[passo_s692]

Yes, I would recommend it! I just got some Sandalwood oil from Ham Firl on Ebay-- other

L-S forum members have also reported great success with him for Oud.

Let me know what you discover!



-CAt

Hi. I am new in here and I had wrote in some replies in another forum. I was surprise to find

that you too had good experience with ham firl's product. I heard about him from some guy by the name of

Belgare...., and I tried his products, to my surprise, its really good and the price is lower than others selling on

the net. I must thank this Belgare..../

[belgareth]

It's Belgareth and you are

very welcome.

[passo_s692]

It's

Belgareth and you are very welcome.

Hi. There you are. Thanks for the recommendation. I contact ham_firl

outside ebay. I will email him and got a little discount for purchase outside ebay and I will send him money pay

pal. I even try his Yemeni's honey. Its good internal booster for sex. It improve on the stamina. The erection is

concrete. Thanks once again Belgareth for recommending ham_firl.

[belgareth]

Ham Furl is a good guy. I'm

glad you two were able to get together for your mutual benefit.

The Yemeni honey really does that? I'll have to

order some. Thanks for the information.

[passo_s692]

Ham

Furl is a good guy. I'm glad you two were able to get together for your mutual benefit.

The Yemeni honey really

does that? I'll have to order some. Thanks for the information.

This Yemeni Honey was recommended by

someone who purchased from him. That person who recommended me the honey also mentioned that this honey if taken

regularly will enlarge the penis and make it harder when erection. I have taken abt 4 months or so and my girlfriend

have been complaining of mine getting larger. But I thought it is the same size. I do not know.

[terry0400-40]

This Yemeni Honey was recommended by someone who purchased from him. That person who

recommended me the honey also mentioned that this honey if taken regularly will enlarge the penis and make it harder

when erection. I have taken abt 4 months or so and my girlfriend have been complaining of mine getting larger. But I

thought it is the same size. I do not know.Just post up a picture every

month and well let ya know if its gettin any larger, be sure to have a smile on your face, as makes for good public

relations.

Really appreciate the info you have posted up here and over the street. :box:

[passo_s692]

Just post up a picture every month and well let ya

know if its gettin any larger, be sure to have a smile on your face, as makes for good public

relations.

Really appreciate the info you have posted up here

and over the street. :box:

Can't do that as Bob will shows his too. May be you can

share with me your thought abt other internal booster. SOmeone said that Gogii berries help too. She said that you

can get those at the supermarket. Any tips instead of asking me to show it off over the street:rant:

[terry0400-40]

Can't do that as Bob will shows his too. May be you can share with me your thought abt

other internal booster. SOmeone said that Gogii berries help too. She said that you can get those at the

supermarket. Any tips instead of asking me to show it off over the street:rant:Thanks for reminding me, i havent taken my gogi berries for awhile,

I purchase my Lycium Berries ( Lycium

barbarum or chinese ) when i visit the traditional and usually old established chinese food stores in China Town,

the red berries usually come in bags with the label "Dried Lycium Soup Material" these berries are used as a tonic

that promote long life.

I usually just chew a handfull each morning when i remember, they are very good also for

inproving eyesight.

I have a friend he is an old doctor of natural medicine he lives in the hills and soakes his

berries in pineapple juice overnight.



Amoungst the cartenoids that the berries contain, there is an amount of lutein

and this is an antioxidant that has recently been shown to prevent macular degeneration.

Lycium berries contain antioxidants that

also protect the liver from the toxic effects of carbon tetrachloride.

It has been stated by Robert A Barnett (

author ) that the Chinese have also identified several antioxidant polysaccharides in the berries that may protect

against cancer

My experience also reccomends them as good horn medicine.

Also "Tarheni" ( sesame seed concentrate

paste) is good penis food as well, especially mixed with honey.


I have heard of many things of improving the size of the old boy and one of these is the penis

pump but i have not had the pleasure of experiencing one of these devices as yet.

There used to be a product sold in some

s/shops called an auto suck that could be experienced when on looong and boring motoring

trips.

I

could not afford either of these devices the closest thing i have is in my g/f garage and i sometimes borrow it to

vaccume my carpet, i suppose it could be also used as an expansion apperatus. :D

[idesign]

Also "Tarheni" ( sesame seed concentrate paste) is good penis food as well,

especially mixed with honey.




Didn't know this about sesame paste, aka Tahini among my Lebanese

friends. They sometimes put it in hummus. Now I know why I like it so much.

Have to try some of Ham Firl's

honey mixed with some tahini, maybe spread on toast for breakfast.

Thanks for the tips you guys.

[terry0400-40]

Didn't know this about sesame paste, aka Tahini among my Lebanese friends. They sometimes

put it in hummus. Now I know why I like it so much.

Have to try some of Ham Firl's honey mixed with some

tahini, maybe spread on toast for breakfast.

Thanks for the tips you guys.It has been stated that anything natural that can improve blood flow and improve the cardiovascular

system will also add the the efficiency of penile health. \o/

In Chinese herbal formulas cinnamon is also

added to help stimulate circulation, a small amount taken each day even 50 mcg will inhibit the formation of gastric

ulcers.

Cinnamon has anti-inflammatory properties and also is good for protecting against allergic

response, It is also antibiotic.

Also Garlic dilates blood vessels, Thats how it lowers blood pressure. The same effect makes

garlic a tonic for other cardiovascular conditions.

Garlic treats peripheral cardiovascular

disease even the kind that impairs circulation in the legs- increasing the flow of blood through capillaries by

50%.

The use

of Garlic for circularity conditions usually becomes noticable after about 5 weeks.

Ok im going to take off now its time for a

cheese and tomato sandwich with a good topping of Garlic of course lol.

[Numanoid]

SOmeone said that Gogii

berries help too

Gojii/Lycii berries can help increase the amount of semen. Just eat a handful a day

and you'll see what I mean. I get mine from this site -

http://www.fourseasonsherbs.com/raw_herbs/lycium_fructus.html
The quality is better than any I've seen

in any store. Very thick and pulpy.

[passo_s692]

Gojii/Lycii berries can help increase the amount of semen. Just eat a handful a day and

you'll see what I mean. I get mine from this site -

http://www.fourseasonsherbs.com/raw_herbs/lycium_fructus.html
The quality is better than any I've seen

in any store. Very thick and pulpy.

Hi. Good info on Lycii. I also take dates with

goat's milk. Oh its all the time standing and waiting. It also gives you a lot of sperm.


I am very fond of honey since I was young.

But to have the Yemeni's honey, and the effect is good and fantastic. I even try this with cinnamon and black seed,

the effect is much better and the dick is all the time waking up and standing. It drives my girlfriend crazy and not

able to meet my demand.:mad: Even some new zealand honey are expensives but the effect is low. Ham_firl sells his

Yemeni's honey for US$50 for 10oz. When I email him, he will give me $5 discount. I even get one for my sister in

law who has just given birth to a baby boy. She feels better and also recovering faster. I am asking for better

price per kg. But I am also eating abt 15 to 30 dates daily with some cow's milk or little goat's

milk.

[terry0400-40]

Hi. Good info on Lycii. I also take dates with goat's milk. Oh its

all the time standing and waiting. It also gives you a lot of sperm.
I am very

fond of honey since I was young. But to have the Yemeni's honey, and the effect is good and fantastic. I even try

this with cinnamon and black seed, the effect is much better and the dick is all the time waking up and standing. It

drives my girlfriend crazy and not able to meet my demand.:mad: Even some new zealand honey are expensives but the

effect is low. Ham_firl sells his Yemeni's honey for US$50 for 10oz. When I email him, he will give me $5 discount.

I even get one for my sister in law who has just given birth to a baby boy. She feels better and also recovering

faster. I am asking for better price per kg. But I am also eating abt 15 to 30 dates daily with some cow's milk or

little goat's milk.I also drink milk but only raw and

unpasturised, in this form it has the ability to keep the arterial wall clean of plarke buildup due to the action of

the natural lecathin content, especially proven to be very effective in cleaning out the corenary arteries.



Unfortunatelly milk loses its life giving propertys once it has been heated and treated, it then

contributes to arterial blockages.

[passo_s692]

I also drink milk but only raw and unpasturised, in this

form it has the ability to keep the arterial wall clean of plarke buildup due to the action of the natural lecathin

content, especially proven to be very effective in cleaning out the corenary arteries.



Unfortunatelly milk loses its life giving propertys once it

has been heated and treated, it then contributes to arterial blockages.

Tell me how do u

get raw and unpasteturised? It is safe to drink cows or goat's milk raw and unpasteturised? Wow, you are full of

knowledge....:frustrate

[terry0400-40]

Tell me how do u get raw and unpasteturised? It is safe to drink cows or goat's milk raw

and unpasteturised? Wow, you are full of knowledge....:frustrateI have

learned a few things from some wonderful and intelligent people, But i recon i am a bit of a dummy actually, and i

am blown away with the the intelligence that has gone into the infastructure of civilisation concerning science

medicine and physical structures ect.

I have been drinking raw

cows milk daily for about 20 years, the doctor says my cholesterol is about 2 and says that is ok.



It is very important that the milk is obtained from healthy

animals.

Goats milk is an excellent product

also.

The milk i get is predominantly from Jerseys and Gurnsey

cows and contains a certain molecule called A2 which adds to the digestability of the product.



The farm where i get my milk also sells to the Dairy industry, So the animals

are checked well for disease ect. And the Raw milk is not allowed to be labelled as drinking milk by law.



click on

image to enlarge.

[idesign]

Terry, seeing that picture I had

to laugh. A friend of mine has a saying when he thinks something is too expensive: "I wouldn't pay that to watch

Cleopatra take a bath in goat's milk". Too funny!

[idesign]

Just got this email from Ham

Firl, I think its hilarious. Still, my curiosity is going to cost me US$15.

"We also have Civet cat pure oil

mixed with Cambodian OUD. We are doing for US$15 per 6ml. We have to mix as the scents of the Civet stinks. After

mixing, the scents still stink."

CAt, you still around?

[passo_s692]

Just

got this email from Ham Firl, I think its hilarious. Still, my curiosity is going to cost me US$15.

"We also

have Civet cat pure oil mixed with Cambodian OUD. We are doing for US$15 per 6ml. We have to mix as the scents of

the Civet stinks. After mixing, the scents still stink."

CAt, you still around?

Hi. What is this

civet cat oil anyway? Does it gonna drive the women away? I also receive an email from ham_firl abt the whitish

golden ambergriss and also on the civet's cat. he told me that after mixing with oud, even the scents stink but its

nicer than on its own. But it still stink. He said this "he received many request on civet's cat oil. But he does

not understand why people like the stinking scents". My replied to him was "may be people get tired of nicer

scents"

[terry0400-40]

Hi. What is this civet cat oil anyway? Does it gonna drive the women away? I

also receive an email from ham_firl abt the whitish golden ambergriss and also on the civet's cat. he told me that

after mixing with oud, even the scents stink but its nicer than on its own. But it still stink. He said this "he

received many request on civet's cat oil. But he does not understand why people like the stinking scents". My

replied to him was "may be people get tired of nicer scents"I was going

to get something to try from Ham as well, something like some Royal Cambodian or some Borneo 3000 but does it really

stink ?

Or

is it just the oil of cat that is the stinker ? :eek:

I after a fragrance that is distinctive and

enduring that will not repel girls.

I have heard also that some of the stuff is also good for relaxation or

meditation.

[passo_s692]

I was going to get something to try from Ham as well,

something like some Royal Cambodian or some Borneo 3000 but does it really stink ?

Or is it just the oil of cat that is the stinker ? :eek:

I after a fragrance that is distinctive and enduring that will not repel

girls.

I have heard also that some of the stuff is also good

for relaxation or meditation.



Hi Terry, I have tried almost all of ham Oud, and all

of them are not stink with very nice scents especially the Royal Oud, Double SUper Cambodian, Double SUper Malaysia,

Double SUper Kalimantan, Double SUper Burmese etc. Even his cheaper Oud oil is excellent. Oud by nature do not

stink except Indian plantation that ham is selling at US$24.5 for 3ml. He told that is from a plantation in India

and before the tree ripe (infected), its being taken for use to make oil. But his double super Indian and Indian

Grade A are excellent oil as they are from "THE WILD". :type:

[terry0400-40]

Hi Terry, I have tried almost all of ham Oud, and all of them are not stink with very nice

scents especially the Royal Oud, Double SUper Cambodian, Double SUper Malaysia, Double SUper Kalimantan, Double

SUper Burmese etc. Even his cheaper Oud oil is excellent. Oud by nature do not stink except Indian plantation that

ham is selling at US$24.5 for 3ml. He told that is from a plantation in India and before the tree ripe (infected),

its being taken for use to make oil. But his double super Indian and Indian Grade A are excellent oil as they are

from "THE WILD". :type:You have put in good effort here and i have written

it all down in my Pheromone book, :box:



Thanks heeps, I wouldn't mind buying some in bulk and trying to re sell at the

local green markets see if it takes off. :thumbsup:

[passo_s692]

You have put in good effort here and i have written it

all down in my Pheromone book, :box:

Thanks heeps, I wouldn't

mind buying some in bulk and trying to re sell at the local green markets see if it takes off. :thumbsup:




I learnt a lot from ham_firl. I must thank Belgare... for recommending me to him. But

I love Oud and something that boost from the internal. Before I used to buy from others. :rasp:

[passo_s692]

I

learnt a lot from ham_firl. I must thank Belgare... for recommending me to him. But I love Oud and something that

boost from the internal. Before I used to buy from others. :rasp:

Hi. I have tried civet with Oud, its

smells different. My friends love it. I can only used it when I mix with "midnight stroll" perfume which is nice,.

Can someone recommend me some pherone. I would like to try.

[idesign]

Hi.

What is this civet cat oil anyway? Does it gonna drive the women away? I also receive an email from ham_firl abt the

whitish golden ambergriss and also on the civet's cat. he told me that after mixing with oud, even the scents stink

but its nicer than on its own. But it still stink. He said this "he received many request on civet's cat oil. But

he does not understand why people like the stinking scents". My replied to him was "may be people get tired of

nicer scents"

Civet is a favorite scent for perfumers for its fixative and animalic qualities. You would

not wear it on its own. Blended skillfully with other scents it gives a raw, earthy, lusty, sexy, musky feel. My

guess is that if he's getting a lot of demand its from perfumers. I wish he had pure civet, unblended, or with a

carrier oil.

I see that you're layering it with some other fragrance with good success. Good job, but be

careful.

I blended some of my civet/oud from Ham Firl with a carrier oil to a 10&#37; mixture. The other day I

layered a drop of that with a drop of deer musk and a couple drops of sandalwood. Very pleasing.

[DrSmellThis]

Good perfuming quality civet

is the ****. But it's not for the inexperienced or timid. It definitely stinks in it's raw, undiluted form, like

poop mixed with unbrushed teeth. :) One of my favorite substances!

[gaf]

Tell me how

do u get raw and unpasteturised? It is safe to drink cows or goat's milk raw and unpasteturised? Wow, you are full

of knowledge....:frustrate

Well, people did it for thousands of years before supermarkets. Thats the

key, in the "old" days if you couldn't drink it that day you made cheese or did something else with it.
FWIW , a

lot of people find it easier to breakdown goats milk due to the molecular structure. The lactose in cows milk makes

be fart alot , no problem though with goats milk and it's much creamier and is great on porridge!
:cheers:

[idesign]

Good

perfuming quality civet is the ****. But it's not for the inexperienced or timid. It definitely stinks in it's

raw, undiluted form, like poop mixed with unbrushed teeth. :) One of my favorite substances!

Good

description! Mix civet with oud (Ham Firl's) and you can add dirty horse stall. But mix it up VERY judiciously

with other, more palatable scents, and wow.

Interesting

links:

http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotti.asp?cat=22

The civet, castoreum and hyraceum links

are interesting.

http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotti.asp?cat=5

[passo_s692]

Good

description! Mix civet with oud (Ham Firl's) and you can add dirty horse stall. But mix it up VERY judiciously with

other, more palatable scents, and wow.



Wow, the link that you gave was good but the price is too

expensives. Even the ambergriss & Civet are too expensive. If I was not mistaken, ham_firl was selling similar

ambergriss for only US$22 per gram abt 2 years ago. I asked him abt it and his replied was that all were sold out

and some amount of his ambergriss were made into ambergriss oil.

[idesign]

I've bought some really nice

oils from Ham Firl, and his Ambergris and Civet are cheaper, but diluted and/or mixed. The Civet is mixed with Oud,

the Ambergris oil is an unknown blend.

[passo_s692]

I've

bought some really nice oils from Ham Firl, and his Ambergris and Civet are cheaper, but diluted and/or mixed. The

Civet is mixed with Oud, the Ambergris oil is an unknown blend.

Yes, nice oil. I can'st stand the civet

on its own. Thats why I diluted it with midnight stroll oil. His ambergriss is also blended as he told me the other

time that the ambergriss is an item that will get hardened once it is expose to outside sea water. So when you heat

them, it will melt but it will change back to solid state. And the only way to make oil from it is to blend it with

some herbal oil that he would not like to reveal as this is his hardwork and his secrets. To him, there are no way

that you can make 100% ambergriss oil. But the blended was worth it. Its so nice. Similar to his deer musk oil.

Excellente.....

I have also spoken to a NewZealander when I was on project there, he told me the same thing as

what ham_firl told me. When I was in Dubai, an old Arab men told me that they use pure 100% ambergriss in solid form

(1kg abt US$15000) and heat it to the metal spoon and after few seconds, the ambergriss hardened and stick to the

spoon. Then they use the spoon to stir their coffee, tea and etc. Its good for the body and for sex. He told me that

no pure oil from this 100% pure ambergriss in solid form.

I ever bought from someone abt 2 years ago whom

claim that their ambergriss oil is 100% pure. I ended up paying high price for some synthetic thick "do know what"

oil. Nothing close to ham_firl oil. Its blended but quality blend.

[idesign]

I understand about the ambergris

blending, it must be mixed with something to carry the raw ingredient. My only complaint is that it is mixed with

something that has a scent of its own, and I'm sure that I smell some oud and sandalwood in the mix. I would

prefer a blend with an scent-neutral oil. It is a nice scent, but not good for mixing into a perfume unless you

want the other scents too. The same is true for his civet blend.

[DrSmellThis]

I

understand about the ambergris blending, it must be mixed with something to carry the raw ingredient. My only

complaint is that it is mixed with something that has a scent of its own, and I'm sure that I smell some oud and

sandalwood in the mix. I would prefer a blend with an scent-neutral oil. It is a nice scent, but not good for mixing

into a perfume unless you want the other scents too. The same is true for his civet blend.You really can't

determine the quality of an animal product unless it's a pure dilution. Deer musk is an exception, in that it is

traditionally mixed with sandalwood. However, I believe they use something like "white sandalwood", which doesn't

have much of a scent, but is a good medium.

Still, you wonder: If his musks are so good, why not sell them

straight, when everything else is sold straight?

I should admit I've never tried one of his products, but am

always interested to discover new sources.

[idesign]

You

really can't determine the quality of an animal product unless it's a pure dilution. Deer musk is an exception, in

that it is traditionally mixed with sandalwood. However, I believe they use something like "white sandalwood", which

doesn't have much of a scent, but is a good medium.

Still, you wonder: If his musks are so good, why not sell

them straight, when everything else is sold straight?

I should admit I've never tried one of his products, but

am always interested to discover new sources.

I didn't know that about deer musk, and having just now

smelled it I notice a sandalwood scent, it adds a sweetness I think, but isn't real musk a little sweet?. The musk

is loud and clear though, and is beautiful. He does sell the musk pods alone, and the idea of making my own musk

oil is exciting but daunting.

I wonder about not selling them straight too. Would be much more useful.

His

Wild Tamil Sandalwood is heaven in a bottle though, and is much better than the other half-dozen sandals I have from

other sources.

His Ambergris was quite frankly a disappointment. I've been using a 1&#37; alcohol tincture from

another source which is so nice. I use a dab of it sometimes when layering mones and scents. It transforms a mix

into sex in a teapot.

And then, he has weird stuff like this:

"No 1 100% Iranian Rose made by tradional

method. (1980 stocks) US$15 per 6ml"

Something like that could be wonderful, who knows? If so, it could be a buy

of the century. You just don't know, which is the main problem with H-F, you have no assurance of what is actually

in the product, only what you can smell. I've been happy with what I've gotten though.

[passo_s692]

I

didn't know that about deer musk, and having just now smelled it I notice a sandalwood scent, it adds a sweetness I

think, but isn't real musk a little sweet?. The musk is loud and clear though, and is beautiful. He does sell the

musk pods alone, and the idea of making my own musk oil is exciting but daunting.

I wonder about not selling

them straight too. Would be much more useful.

His Wild Tamil Sandalwood is heaven in a bottle though, and is

much better than the other half-dozen sandals I have from other sources.

His Ambergris was quite frankly a

disappointment. I've been using a 1% alcohol tincture from another source which is so nice. I use a dab of it

sometimes when layering mones and scents. It transforms a mix into sex in a teapot.

And then, he has weird stuff

like this:

"No 1 100% Iranian Rose made by tradional method. (1980 stocks) US$15 per 6ml"

Something like

that could be wonderful, who knows? If so, it could be a buy of the century. You just don't know, which is the main

problem with H-F, you have no assurance of what is actually in the product, only what you can smell. I've been

happy with what I've gotten though.

Hi. Yes, good discussion here. I received an email 2 days ago from

ham_firl informing about he is going for a long vacation. I believed that he sent to some of his buyers which

include me. Good pricing for some pure oud. I love his Golden ambergriss which he mentioned that he is left with

6ml, his goldenwhittish & yemeni's ambergriss is also nice, his deer musk oil from China & Himalayan are nice, only

his cheaper ambergriss (black) is average. And many more. I guess the oil that he has match my taste and he is

honest to inform that he blend the oil. I do not like alcohol tincture. I must try his Iranian Rose which is so

cheap. Iranian Rose is not popular and never heard of it. :sick: May be it is the no 1 oil from Iran but may not be

pure. I must try.

I just bought another deer musk oil from another person who claim that theirs is 100% pure.

But its rubbish, I paid US$200 per 3ml after bargain. May be it does not suit me.

[passo_s692]

Hi.

Yes, good discussion here. I received an email 2 days ago from ham_firl informing about he is going for a long

vacation. I believed that he sent to some of his buyers which include me. Good pricing for some pure oud. I love his

Golden ambergriss which he mentioned that he is left with 6ml, his goldenwhittish & yemeni's ambergriss is also

nice, his deer musk oil from China & Himalayan are nice, only his cheaper ambergriss (black) is average. And many

more. I guess the oil that he has match my taste and he is honest to inform that he blend the oil. I do not like

alcohol tincture. I must try his Iranian Rose which is so cheap. Iranian Rose is not popular and never heard of it.

:sick: May be it is the no 1 oil from Iran but may not be pure. I must try.

I just bought another deer musk oil

from another person who claim that theirs is 100% pure. But its rubbish, I paid US$200 per 3ml after bargain. May be

it does not suit me.

Hi again. I am at Jakarta now and going to Balikpapan in extreme eastern part of

Indonesia for my project work. Before leaving, I received the Pure Iranian Rose, its lovely for the price. And I

also purchased sandalIranian Rose. Its also nice for the price. I love it. My girl & neighbour love it too.

[helius9]

hey all,

I too got assam oudh

& tamil sandalwood from ham_firl. My main purpose was to strengthen my meditations and trust me, these two oils aid

very well. The fragrance lasts till next morning, when I wake up. I havn't noticed any great effects on others as

yet, just few heads turned to notice me.

I also got WhitishGolden ambergriss....it seems just about OK.....nuthin

great to report.


Wanted to know, whats civet oil used for??? and can anyone suggest a good source for buying

nutmeg EO???

thanks all for creating sucha wonderful thread :cheers:

helius

[idesign]

hey

all,

I too got assam oudh & tamil sandalwood from ham_firl. My main purpose was to strengthen my meditations and

trust me, these two oils aid very well. The fragrance lasts till next morning, when I wake up. I havn't noticed any

great effects on others as yet, just few heads turned to notice me.

I also got WhitishGolden ambergriss....it

seems just about OK.....nuthin great to report.


Wanted to know, whats civet oil used for??? and can anyone

suggest a good source for buying nutmeg EO???

thanks all for creating sucha wonderful thread

:cheers:

helius

Glad its working well for you. Those oils are definitely tenacious. I layer them

with each other and with pheromones with good success. I use the sandal on its own sometimes for my daily scent.



I agree about the "whitish/golden" ambergris. I'm no expert, but I think ambergris just works better in

alcohol. Ham Firl's mix seems to muffle the exalting nature of the scent. Here's a link to a great tincture

I've bought and use often to great effect. The 3&#37; is more expensive of course but much

nicer.

http://www.perfumersapprentice.com/Natural_supplies/ambergris.html

Civet is a traditional

perfume ingredient. DST can give a better answer, but it provides an animalic note and fixes other scents. I can

smell it in some vintage perfumes I have.

For nutmeg EO just do a search for it. There are a lot of suppliers

and the ones I've used and like are Eden Botanicals, Snowdrift Farm, Liberty Natural Products, etc etc. Look also

at the link above. Linda Andrews is really nice and helpful. What do you want the nutmeg for?

[helius9]

hey idesign,

thanks for ur

response and info u provided. I wanted to try out nutmeg as a covering scent for pheromones.

just wanted to know,

how exactly do u layer them with pheromones??? do u apply the EOs at the same spot after applying the pheros?? do

EOs help slow down the diffusion rate???

helius