View Full Version : Diluting my EW!
NaughtieGirl
03-10-2005, 02:07 PM
Sooo... my EW
arrived today!!! Woohoo!
Now... I need to dilute this puppy before I can even begin to use it with other
mones.
Water and ethanol from what I've read in the archives.
Where do I find ethanol - at the
pharmacy?
Other question - I read a suggested 1: 200 dilution
Since I do not want to be counting 200 drops
for 1 drop of EW
and since 200 oz is too much: Could someone give me a more concrete idea?
Someting like:
-
x drops for 1 oz of ethanol/water
- x drops for 2 oz
Then when I have it diluted - still fairly strong
though - I can use it to spike my other mones that do not have any copulins in them and should! Then I will cover
the whole kit and caboodle with my perfume (Intuition) or some scented spray.
Thanks for your help!
koolking1
03-10-2005, 02:30 PM
I think Sue knows where to
get it, she makes her own perfume. I'll try to find out and post it.
koolking1
03-10-2005, 02:52 PM
ok, Sue emailed me - she
uses a special perfumers alcohol - I have a website for it but I don't think we're allowed to post links on here.
Perhaps a product Bruce should be stocking??? It seems like a lot of people might want to buy it. It's called
"SnowDrift Farm" and if you extrapolate you can find it on the web. Hope this helps.
NaughtieGirl
03-10-2005, 03:58 PM
Thanks Koolking 1! I've
actually been looking around at essential oils and things of the like. But for right now I should hold off and just
use the pre-made stuff. I still have to work once in a while as well!
Yep, I'm an experienced Googler and
that's plenty of info. Although I think the rule is probably meant for competing products and ethanol or this
isn't. But better we be good right!
Now all I need is a trick for 200:1 so I don't have to be counting 200
drops!
If worse comes to worse I'll just sniff-ball it! (that's the pheromone's person equivalent of
eye-balling it!) <img>
Naughtie
belgareth
03-10-2005, 04:00 PM
ok, Sue
emailed me - she uses a special perfumers alcohol - I have a website for it but I don't think we're allowed to
post links on here. Perhaps a product Bruce should be stocking??? It seems like a lot of people might want to buy
it. It's called "SnowDrift Farm" and if you extrapolate you can find it on the web. Hope this helps.
You
can post a link to non-competitive sites. A perfumer's site shouldn't be a problem.
oscar
03-10-2005, 04:25 PM
NaughtyGirl,
To shortcut put one
drop of the EW in 9 drops of diluent and mix to bring it to 10% concentration.
Then take one drop of that and
add 19 drops of diluent/fragrance to get 20 drops at a .5% concentration. That's the equivalent of 200:1 (or more
accurately 199:1)
This .5% concentration of the commercially available version of EW would be the equivalent of
a .005% concentration of the noxious, legendary "beta" version of EW.
The resulting product would have the same
concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC.
Oscar :)
NaughtieGirl
03-10-2005, 06:38 PM
Hey Oscar,
I understand
that, and it sounds good. But I do not have the Beta version, so 200:1 maybe is diluted too mucht? One fifth the
concentration of PCC does not seem worth the trouble of messing with EW. How about double the concentration of PCC?
(For those special nights!)
Would it be: One drop of 10% concentration and then 4 drops of diluent/fragrance
to get same as PCC concentration?
Naughtie
PS Looks like no matter what I'll counting drops - LOL
oscar
03-11-2005, 03:40 AM
Hey Oscar,
I
understand that, and it sounds good. But I do not have the Beta version, so 200:1 maybe is diluted too mucht? One
fifth the concentration of PCC does not seem worth the trouble of messing with EW. How about double the
concentration of PCC? (For those special nights!)
Would it be: One drop of 10% concentration and then 4 drops
of diluent/fragrance to get same as PCC concentration?
Naughtie
PS Looks like no matter what I'll counting
drops - LOL
NG,
Once you've got that batch of 10% EW mixed up you've got the makings for 10
different experiments with its concentration.
3 drops of fragrance added to 1 drop of the .1 EW will give you
the equivalent of PCC, but I'd strongly recommend experimenting some at that concentration before thinking about
doubling it. I've always tried to take advantage of the research that the real pros have already done for me, and I
doubt that Stone Labs arrived at PCC's .025% concentration by accident. ;)
The 200:1 ratio for your EW isn't
unreasonable considering that many people were diluting the beta in a range between 4,000:1 and 20,000:1 .
(A few
of the ladies were putting 3 or 4 drops of the beta into a GALLON of distilled water to make a body spray. That's
something like 76,800 drops of water to 3 or 4 drops of b-EW!!!)
The current version is 1% the strength of the
beta, so the 40:1 to 200:1 dilution guidelines for your product are extrapolated directly from the huge numbers
above.
You can probably avoid going cross-eyed counting out drops by using a graduated pipette or an insulin
syringe. But I'd recommend you do the small batch "drop experiments" first, and let some of the batches sit and
steep for a while before deciding on an optimal dilution. EW will "bloom" when mixed with a fragrance and may
totally overwhelm the scent over time. The dilution that smells good today as soon as you've mixed it may smell
terrible a week or two down the road. Don't put any considerable quantities of a fragrance at risk of becoming
worthless.
Oscar :)
NaughtieGirl
03-11-2005, 09:36 AM
Wow - Now
there's some very useful information! Great! I will most certainly do that.
For now I'm off to the mall to
get some more fragrances before we get hit with another foot or two of snow here in the NE. Maybe I'll dable with
some aromatherapy fragrances. I really need to be more careful with covering the scent of these pheromones. For the
past 2 days my husband keeps asking me if I've been eating garlic! Any strange odor is interpreted as garlic by him
because I've been known to overdo it with the garlic. Mediterranean cooking, ya know! (I think it's the Pherone
W-1 - All of the other stuff hasn't arrived yet)
Thanks Oscar!
Naughtie
dolly
03-11-2005, 09:02 PM
I too have
experimented a LOT with EW, and what I usually do is this....I take a 10 ml roll on perfume bottle, and put in 1 ml
EW, to 9 ml of perfume oil. Mixing that amount allows me to use it rather quickly, so it doesn't sit around long
enough to get noxious. Also, it seems to do better with oils than with alcohol based colognes. I have tried a lot
of different concentrations, and this one always seems to get results. I have found some of the best cover scents
to be musk, amber, or a blend of the two (smells good with a few drops of vanilla added, too).
dolly
03-11-2005, 10:22 PM
Naughty.....FYI....another hint about the EW itself. In case you haven't read in earlier posts, there have been
some instances of the EW "melting" the rubber gasket in the dropper lid over time. I would suggest storing the EW
in a plain glass perfume bottle with a regular lid.
NaughtieGirl
03-12-2005, 07:22 AM
Hi Dolly,
Thank you so much, that is invaluable information. I was wondering about water/alcohol/oil? I just
bought some glass bottles yesterday and I'm starting to play around with essential oils. Found an Ylang-Ylang /Myrh
combination that smells great. I'll try that one first!
dolly
03-12-2005, 07:33 AM
Hey Naughty....here is
another item to note.......if you think you need to use a stronger concentration, keep this in mind......the EW
mixes smell a lot different when you first put them on......I ran some experiments with my boyfriend, and had him
help me check this theory out. When you first put it on, the mix may smell too strong, and kind of like vinegar,
but after you wait for about 5 minutes, the EW smell fades nicely, and all you smell is the cover scent. I have
personally found that I get better results with the stronger mixes.....PCC gave me NO results....just didn't have
the "kick" I was looking for.
DrSmellThis
03-12-2005, 05:08 PM
If you let it sit on your skin
a whiile then cover it, you'll get the best coverage.
NaughtieGirl
03-13-2005, 07:58 AM
So
aside from a pre-dilution experiment or two, I should also try to say dilute 1:10, then put it on (sparingly I'm
sure) and then cover it up?
Boy I better do this during the day, so I can hop in the shower in case I need
to!<img>
Has anyone experimented with
putting drops of EW into scented body cream ? i just got my EW and don't really know what to do with it as I don't
know where to get Ethanol from and am not sure if it's best to mix EW with alcohol or an oil based product like
scented body oil or cream ?
can anyone help ?
belgareth
03-20-2005, 09:02 AM
I think FTR tried that a long
time ago with the beta EW. She had to dilute it pretty heavily first but reported positive results. Try a search for
cream or lotion, you might find it.
dolly
03-20-2005, 10:25 AM
Has anyone
experimented with putting drops of EW into scented body cream ? i just got my EW and don't really know what to do
with it as I don't know where to get Ethanol from and am not sure if it's best to mix EW with alcohol or an oil
based product like scented body oil or cream ?
can anyone help ?
I do not dilute it
prior to mixing with the scented products, and I have personally had better results with oil based products than
alcohol based (I put it directly in perfume oils). And, I have mixed it with scented body cream. It works pretty
good. But, since you're applying it to a larger surface area, you should mix it at about half the strength that
you would mix it in perfume. Hope this helps!!!!
belgareth
03-20-2005, 01:44 PM
Guess I should have mentioned
that the beta EW was far stronger. It would peel paint at 20 yards.
dolly
03-20-2005, 01:51 PM
Guess I should
have mentioned that the beta EW was far stronger. It would peel paint at 20 yards.
That's what I
heard.....I would like to get hold of some, though.....just to see what it can do, as compared to the new kind.
belgareth
03-20-2005, 02:32 PM
I gave my bottle away after it
caused me a bit of trouble. A man should never get home from work smelling of female, even at the subliminal
level.:frustrate
dolly
03-20-2005, 02:56 PM
I gave my bottle
away after it caused me a bit of trouble. A man should never get home from work smelling of female, even at the
subliminal level.:frustrate
Very true....not a good thing!!!!
belgareth
03-20-2005, 04:19 PM
Very true....not a
good thing!!!!:rofl:
A very bad thing, indeed!!
bindy
03-23-2005, 12:15 PM
Hi Naughty,
I didn't read
through all the posts, but I'll tell you what I do. I get those sample purfumes, and add one drop to the little
bottle. It still stinks a bit, but much better than EW straight! Also, from what I understand, reading the posts,
a lot of people use Bath and Body Works Cucumber something lotion to mix it with EW. I guess it's a good cover up.
I'm going to try it.
Hope all is going well,
Bindy
NaughtieGirl
03-23-2005, 05:02 PM
Hey thanks Bindy - Yep
I came across that cucumber thing as well. Must be a good cover smell because there is another product ( I forgot
which one) that is cucumber scented. I'll first dilute it in some perfumers alcohol I ordered.
dolly
03-23-2005, 05:13 PM
Hey thanks
Bindy - Yep I came across that cucumber thing as well. Must be a good cover smell because there is another product (
I forgot which one) that is cucumber scented. I'll first dilute it in some perfumers alcohol I
ordered.
FYI---PCC is the one that is cucumber-melon scented. I don't use that scent because
fruits and/or florals just don't smell good on me....and PCC gave me no results....guess it just wasn't strong
enough.
NaughtieGirl
03-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Actually yes
that's what I thought. I just wasn't sure enough of it to write it down. I haven't really tried the cucumber
scent yet. My all time favorite is Intuition (Estee Lauder). And for more active (working out) I like the
mango/mandarin scented lotion from Bath and Body Works.
silksand
03-24-2005, 08:49 AM
So Naughtie, have you had any
success with your EW mixes yet? I've had some mild success with PCC (I like it, and think it has mild pro-erotic
effects on me and my husband) so I'm wondering if EW would be even better.
NaughtieGirl
03-30-2005, 11:47 AM
Nope, not yet. Just
got home last night and I'm getting ready to dilute my first batch per Oscar's instructions in this thread. Then I
will go for an oil-based further dilution and another alcohol based further dilution.
I'm thinking of trying
Tommy Girl for the alcohol based dilution. My mom had bought it for my young daughter, but my daughter (who is a
real tomboy at this stage) doesn't want to wear perfume. It happens to smell like cucumber/honeydew melon, so I'm
hoping it will work well with the EW since the PCC has that kind of a smell.
I'll let you know as soon as I
have sth to report!
bindy
03-30-2005, 12:34 PM
I used PCC and Phermol Factor/w
last night with very good success. Hadn't really played around with the Phermol Factor, will have to give that
more of a try. It doesn't have a great fragrance, so I don't use it too much. Once you put it on the smell
pretty much disappears though.
I will try diluting the EW into my BBW Cucumber Melon body cream tonight, and see
how it goes.
Bindy
NaughtieGirl
03-30-2005, 12:37 PM
NaughtyGirl,
To shortcut put one drop of the EW in 9 drops of diluent and mix to bring it to 10% concentration.
Then
take one drop of that and add 19 drops of diluent/fragrance to get 20 drops at a .5% concentration. That's the
equivalent of 200:1 (or more accurately 199:1)
This .5% concentration of the commercially available version of
EW would be the equivalent of a .005% concentration of the noxious, legendary "beta" version of EW.
The
resulting product would have the same concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC.
Oscar :)
Ok my 10% solutions are made - One with unscented oil, the other one with perfumer's
alcohol.
I would like to take PCC as a baseline, as Oscar suggested. But ....
He wrote:
" The resulting
product would have the same concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC."
If my
20 drops are @ .5% concentration then that would not be one fifth of PCC would it? Isn't PCC .25% concentration and
isn't that half of .5% (equals .50%) concentration? Or was that a typo and my concentration is not 0.5% but rather
o.05%? <img>
Sorry but I flunked Math in Highschool!
NaughtieGirl
03-30-2005, 02:00 PM
Could
someone correct me if I'm wrong?
I think the 0.5 was a typo, and should have been 0.005
10% base mix then
1/20 diluent = 0.005
10% base mix then 1/10 diluent = 0.010
10% base mix then 1/4 diluent = 0.025 which would be
same as PCC - Boy they did a great job at covering up smell!
10% base mix then 1/2 would be double the strength of
PCC ?
If this is correct I should have made my 10% base mix with scented oil and scented alcohol because the
smell of even the 10% is still pretty strong.
I'm so grateful the beta-version is gone! <img>
NaughtieGirl
03-31-2005, 05:58 PM
I used PCC and
Phermol Factor/w last night with very good success. Hadn't really played around with the Phermol Factor, will have
to give that more of a try. It doesn't have a great fragrance, so I don't use it too much. Once you put it on the
smell pretty much disappears though.
I will try diluting the EW into my BBW Cucumber Melon body cream tonight,
and see how it goes.
Bindy
Hey Bindy and all,
For the continuing saga of my EW experiments: Go
to the thread called "Natural copulins". I wrote some of my early mixing attempts there. Although Oscar suggested
diluting it beyond PCC, I first wanted to try a somewhat stronger concentration.
Bindy - Give the Green Tea /
Cucumber Lotion from BBW a try as well - It's not as (sickeningly) sweet smelling. I like it better. So how did
your dilution attempts work out?
Pheromol Factor/w - I just bought that today. It does not have a great
fragrance? <img> Oh well... I guess I can always cover it up with something else.
Night all!
Naughtie
NaughtieGirl
04-21-2005, 09:41 AM
Report on mixing experiment
# 1:
To refresh your memories:
I had made two 10% batches per Oscar's recommendations higher in this thread -
one was oil-based, the other alcohol-based. Now my goal was to bring it to PCC concentration with a nice smell.
Last night I mixed:
Mix # 1:
- 5 drops of 10% oil-based EW with
- 10 drops of tangerine EO and
- 5 drops
of Vanilla.
The Vanilla wasn't straight EO but EO mixed with an oil, I bought it like that.
Mix # 2:
- 5
drops of 10% alcohol-based EW with
- 15 drops of orange/mango B&BW body splash.
Let it sit overnight, then this
morning:
One drop of Mix #1 on left wrist, One drop of Mix # 2 on other wrist.
Sniff tests at 10 - 20 - 30 and
120 minutes.
Mix # 1 (oil) started out smelling pleasantly right away (10 mins) and remained pleasant. First it
smelled a little more like tangerine, later the vanilla came through. No EW bleed-through. Now after 2.5 hours I can
barely smell it. It never needed any covering up. But I'll double-check it some day with my assistant!
Mix # 2
(alcohol) Now that one is intruiging. At 10 mins there was EW bleed-through smell. Progressively after 20 and 30
mintes the Mandarin/Orange came through more. It made for a spicy, woody kind of an odor, strangely enough. Now
after 2.5 hours I can still smell it and it certainly does not smell unpleasant. Maybe this is a more masculine
mix?
How's everyone else coming along with their EW mixing?
dolly
04-26-2005, 11:08 AM
Personally, vanilla is one of my
all-time favorites to cover EW....I'm not sure exactly why, but I never get any bleed-thru....and I always prefer
oils. It's almost like the alcohol based products make the EW have a sharper smell.
NaughtieGirl
04-26-2005, 12:41 PM
Personally,
vanilla is one of my all-time favorites to cover EW....I'm not sure exactly why, but I never get any
bleed-thru....and I always prefer oils. It's almost like the alcohol based products make the EW have a sharper
smell.
I agree. I am now going to try to improve upon the 10% oil-based formula. Maybe increase the
vanilla and decrease the tangerine/orange. Problem with vanilla is that pure vanilla EO is expensive. I also need to
try the greenteas from B&BW. That one would be very diluted because I cannot count drop of lotion. I'd like to try
a 5% mix as well. That would be double the strength of PCC. What concentrations have you been working with?
dolly
04-26-2005, 01:44 PM
I agree. I am
now going to try to improve upon the 10% oil-based formula. Maybe increase the vanilla and decrease the
tangerine/orange. Problem with vanilla is that pure vanilla EO is expensive. I also need to try the greenteas from
B&BW. That one would be very diluted because I cannot count drop of lotion. I'd like to try a 5% mix as well. That
would be double the strength of PCC. What concentrations have you been working with?
I buy a
vanilla perfume oil (not a pure EO), and I use a 10ml roll on bottle. I use 5-6ml perfume oil and fill it the rest
of the way with EW. Very concentrated, but works like a dream! But, then again, weaker cops concentrations never
give me results (most women get hits with PCC, but I don't).
NaughtieGirl
04-26-2005, 02:32 PM
I buy a
vanilla perfume oil (not a pure EO), and I use a 10ml roll on bottle. I use 5-6ml perfume oil and fill it the rest
of the way with EW. Very concentrated, but works like a dream! But, then again, weaker cops concentrations never
give me results (most women get hits with PCC, but I don't).Yes, I've had to use stronger concentrations
of -nol as a whole as well. Thanks. As soon as I have a "satisfactory" concentration (balancing strength vs smell)
I'll use my empty roll-on. I'll keep you posted. :cheers:
NaughtieGirl
04-29-2005, 02:06 PM
Re my earlier post:
Mix
# 1 (oil) started out smelling pleasantly right away (10 mins) and remained pleasant. First it smelled a little more
like tangerine, later the vanilla came through. No EW bleed-through. Now after 2.5 hours I can barely smell it. It
never needed any covering up. But I'll double-check it some day with my assistant!
Several days later, after
giving EW a chance to "bloom" this is still a very wearable mix. :thumbsup:
Today I put 1 drop of full-strength
EW in 2 oz of B&BW Green tea lotion (the little bottles of lotion they sell). I like it better than the
cucumber/melon because it smells fresher and not as "sweet". It will clash less with my other fragrances. One drop
in 2 oz lotion - no bleed through of copulins. My hand hovered, dropper in hand, and I was soo tempted to add a
second drop! But I didn't. Test this one out first and then I can still add a second drop. I cannot take out.
:POKE:
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