Diluting my EW!

[NaughtieGirl]

Sooo... my EW

arrived today!!! Woohoo!

Now... I need to dilute this puppy before I can even begin to use it with other

mones.
Water and ethanol from what I've read in the archives.
Where do I find ethanol - at the

pharmacy?

Other question - I read a suggested 1: 200 dilution
Since I do not want to be counting 200 drops

for 1 drop of EW
and since 200 oz is too much: Could someone give me a more concrete idea?
Someting like:
-

x drops for 1 oz of ethanol/water
- x drops for 2 oz

Then when I have it diluted - still fairly strong

though - I can use it to spike my other mones that do not have any copulins in them and should! Then I will cover

the whole kit and caboodle with my perfume (Intuition) or some scented spray.

Thanks for your help!

[koolking1]

I think Sue knows where to

get it, she makes her own perfume. I'll try to find out and post it.

[koolking1]

ok, Sue emailed me - she

uses a special perfumers alcohol - I have a website for it but I don't think we're allowed to post links on here.

Perhaps a product Bruce should be stocking??? It seems like a lot of people might want to buy it. It's called

"SnowDrift Farm" and if you extrapolate you can find it on the web. Hope this helps.

[NaughtieGirl]

Thanks Koolking 1! I've

actually been looking around at essential oils and things of the like. But for right now I should hold off and just

use the pre-made stuff. I still have to work once in a while as well!

Yep, I'm an experienced Googler and

that's plenty of info. Although I think the rule is probably meant for competing products and ethanol or this

isn't. But better we be good right!

Now all I need is a trick for 200:1 so I don't have to be counting 200

drops!
If worse comes to worse I'll just sniff-ball it! (that's the pheromone's person equivalent of

eye-balling it!) <img>

Naughtie

[belgareth]

ok, Sue

emailed me - she uses a special perfumers alcohol - I have a website for it but I don't think we're allowed to

post links on here. Perhaps a product Bruce should be stocking??? It seems like a lot of people might want to buy

it. It's called "SnowDrift Farm" and if you extrapolate you can find it on the web. Hope this helps.
You

can post a link to non-competitive sites. A perfumer's site shouldn't be a problem.

[oscar]

NaughtyGirl,

To shortcut put one

drop of the EW in 9 drops of diluent and mix to bring it to 10% concentration.

Then take one drop of that and

add 19 drops of diluent/fragrance to get 20 drops at a .5% concentration. That's the equivalent of 200:1 (or more

accurately 199:1)

This .5% concentration of the commercially available version of EW would be the equivalent of

a .005% concentration of the noxious, legendary "beta" version of EW.

The resulting product would have the same

concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC.

Oscar :)

[NaughtieGirl]

Hey Oscar,

I understand

that, and it sounds good. But I do not have the Beta version, so 200:1 maybe is diluted too mucht? One fifth the

concentration of PCC does not seem worth the trouble of messing with EW. How about double the concentration of PCC?

(For those special nights!)

Would it be: One drop of 10% concentration and then 4 drops of diluent/fragrance

to get same as PCC concentration?

Naughtie

PS Looks like no matter what I'll counting drops - LOL

[oscar]

Hey Oscar,

I

understand that, and it sounds good. But I do not have the Beta version, so 200:1 maybe is diluted too mucht? One

fifth the concentration of PCC does not seem worth the trouble of messing with EW. How about double the

concentration of PCC? (For those special nights!)

Would it be: One drop of 10% concentration and then 4 drops

of diluent/fragrance to get same as PCC concentration?

Naughtie

PS Looks like no matter what I'll counting

drops - LOL
NG,

Once you've got that batch of 10% EW mixed up you've got the makings for 10

different experiments with its concentration.

3 drops of fragrance added to 1 drop of the .1 EW will give you

the equivalent of PCC, but I'd strongly recommend experimenting some at that concentration before thinking about

doubling it. I've always tried to take advantage of the research that the real pros have already done for me, and I

doubt that Stone Labs arrived at PCC's .025% concentration by accident. ;)

The 200:1 ratio for your EW isn't

unreasonable considering that many people were diluting the beta in a range between 4,000:1 and 20,000:1 .
(A few

of the ladies were putting 3 or 4 drops of the beta into a GALLON of distilled water to make a body spray. That's

something like 76,800 drops of water to 3 or 4 drops of b-EW!!!)
The current version is 1% the strength of the

beta, so the 40:1 to 200:1 dilution guidelines for your product are extrapolated directly from the huge numbers

above.

You can probably avoid going cross-eyed counting out drops by using a graduated pipette or an insulin

syringe. But I'd recommend you do the small batch "drop experiments" first, and let some of the batches sit and

steep for a while before deciding on an optimal dilution. EW will "bloom" when mixed with a fragrance and may

totally overwhelm the scent over time. The dilution that smells good today as soon as you've mixed it may smell

terrible a week or two down the road. Don't put any considerable quantities of a fragrance at risk of becoming

worthless.

Oscar :)

[NaughtieGirl]

Wow - Now

there's some very useful information! Great! I will most certainly do that.

For now I'm off to the mall to

get some more fragrances before we get hit with another foot or two of snow here in the NE. Maybe I'll dable with

some aromatherapy fragrances. I really need to be more careful with covering the scent of these pheromones. For the

past 2 days my husband keeps asking me if I've been eating garlic! Any strange odor is interpreted as garlic by him

because I've been known to overdo it with the garlic. Mediterranean cooking, ya know! (I think it's the Pherone

W-1 - All of the other stuff hasn't arrived yet)

Thanks Oscar!

Naughtie

[dolly]

I too have

experimented a LOT with EW, and what I usually do is this....I take a 10 ml roll on perfume bottle, and put in 1 ml

EW, to 9 ml of perfume oil. Mixing that amount allows me to use it rather quickly, so it doesn't sit around long

enough to get noxious. Also, it seems to do better with oils than with alcohol based colognes. I have tried a lot

of different concentrations, and this one always seems to get results. I have found some of the best cover scents

to be musk, amber, or a blend of the two (smells good with a few drops of vanilla added, too).

[dolly]

Naughty.....FYI....another hint about the EW itself. In case you haven't read in earlier posts, there have been

some instances of the EW "melting" the rubber gasket in the dropper lid over time. I would suggest storing the EW

in a plain glass perfume bottle with a regular lid.

[NaughtieGirl]

Hi Dolly,

Thank you so much, that is invaluable information. I was wondering about water/alcohol/oil? I just

bought some glass bottles yesterday and I'm starting to play around with essential oils. Found an Ylang-Ylang /Myrh

combination that smells great. I'll try that one first!

[dolly]

Hey Naughty....here is

another item to note.......if you think you need to use a stronger concentration, keep this in mind......the EW

mixes smell a lot different when you first put them on......I ran some experiments with my boyfriend, and had him

help me check this theory out. When you first put it on, the mix may smell too strong, and kind of like vinegar,

but after you wait for about 5 minutes, the EW smell fades nicely, and all you smell is the cover scent. I have

personally found that I get better results with the stronger mixes.....PCC gave me NO results....just didn't have

the "kick" I was looking for.

[DrSmellThis]

If you let it sit on your skin

a whiile then cover it, you'll get the best coverage.

[NaughtieGirl]

So

aside from a pre-dilution experiment or two, I should also try to say dilute 1:10, then put it on (sparingly I'm

sure) and then cover it up?

Boy I better do this during the day, so I can hop in the shower in case I need

to!<img>

[soap]

Has anyone experimented with

putting drops of EW into scented body cream ? i just got my EW and don't really know what to do with it as I don't

know where to get Ethanol from and am not sure if it's best to mix EW with alcohol or an oil based product like

scented body oil or cream ?


can anyone help ?

[belgareth]

I think FTR tried that a long

time ago with the beta EW. She had to dilute it pretty heavily first but reported positive results. Try a search for

cream or lotion, you might find it.

[dolly]

Has anyone

experimented with putting drops of EW into scented body cream ? i just got my EW and don't really know what to do

with it as I don't know where to get Ethanol from and am not sure if it's best to mix EW with alcohol or an oil

based product like scented body oil or cream ?


can anyone help ?


I do not dilute it

prior to mixing with the scented products, and I have personally had better results with oil based products than

alcohol based (I put it directly in perfume oils). And, I have mixed it with scented body cream. It works pretty

good. But, since you're applying it to a larger surface area, you should mix it at about half the strength that

you would mix it in perfume. Hope this helps!!!!

[belgareth]

Guess I should have mentioned

that the beta EW was far stronger. It would peel paint at 20 yards.

[dolly]

Guess I should

have mentioned that the beta EW was far stronger. It would peel paint at 20 yards.

That's what I

heard.....I would like to get hold of some, though.....just to see what it can do, as compared to the new kind.

[belgareth]

I gave my bottle away after it

caused me a bit of trouble. A man should never get home from work smelling of female, even at the subliminal

level.:frustrate

[dolly]

I gave my bottle

away after it caused me a bit of trouble. A man should never get home from work smelling of female, even at the

subliminal level.:frustrate


Very true....not a good thing!!!!

[belgareth]

Very true....not a

good thing!!!!:rofl:
A very bad thing, indeed!!

[bindy]

Hi Naughty,

I didn't read

through all the posts, but I'll tell you what I do. I get those sample purfumes, and add one drop to the little

bottle. It still stinks a bit, but much better than EW straight! Also, from what I understand, reading the posts,

a lot of people use Bath and Body Works Cucumber something lotion to mix it with EW. I guess it's a good cover up.

I'm going to try it.

Hope all is going well,
Bindy

[NaughtieGirl]

Hey thanks Bindy - Yep

I came across that cucumber thing as well. Must be a good cover smell because there is another product ( I forgot

which one) that is cucumber scented. I'll first dilute it in some perfumers alcohol I ordered.

[dolly]

Hey thanks

Bindy - Yep I came across that cucumber thing as well. Must be a good cover smell because there is another product (

I forgot which one) that is cucumber scented. I'll first dilute it in some perfumers alcohol I

ordered.


FYI---PCC is the one that is cucumber-melon scented. I don't use that scent because

fruits and/or florals just don't smell good on me....and PCC gave me no results....guess it just wasn't strong

enough.

[NaughtieGirl]

Actually yes

that's what I thought. I just wasn't sure enough of it to write it down. I haven't really tried the cucumber

scent yet. My all time favorite is Intuition (Estee Lauder). And for more active (working out) I like the

mango/mandarin scented lotion from Bath and Body Works.

[silksand]

So Naughtie, have you had any

success with your EW mixes yet? I've had some mild success with PCC (I like it, and think it has mild pro-erotic

effects on me and my husband) so I'm wondering if EW would be even better.

[NaughtieGirl]

Nope, not yet. Just

got home last night and I'm getting ready to dilute my first batch per Oscar's instructions in this thread. Then I

will go for an oil-based further dilution and another alcohol based further dilution.

I'm thinking of trying

Tommy Girl for the alcohol based dilution. My mom had bought it for my young daughter, but my daughter (who is a

real tomboy at this stage) doesn't want to wear perfume. It happens to smell like cucumber/honeydew melon, so I'm

hoping it will work well with the EW since the PCC has that kind of a smell.

I'll let you know as soon as I

have sth to report!

[bindy]

I used PCC and Phermol Factor/w

last night with very good success. Hadn't really played around with the Phermol Factor, will have to give that

more of a try. It doesn't have a great fragrance, so I don't use it too much. Once you put it on the smell

pretty much disappears though.

I will try diluting the EW into my BBW Cucumber Melon body cream tonight, and see

how it goes.

Bindy

[NaughtieGirl]

NaughtyGirl,



To shortcut put one drop of the EW in 9 drops of diluent and mix to bring it to 10% concentration.

Then

take one drop of that and add 19 drops of diluent/fragrance to get 20 drops at a .5% concentration. That's the

equivalent of 200:1 (or more accurately 199:1)

This .5% concentration of the commercially available version of

EW would be the equivalent of a .005% concentration of the noxious, legendary "beta" version of EW.

The

resulting product would have the same concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC.



Oscar :)
Ok my 10% solutions are made - One with unscented oil, the other one with perfumer's

alcohol.
I would like to take PCC as a baseline, as Oscar suggested. But ....

He wrote:
" The resulting

product would have the same concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC."

If my

20 drops are @ .5% concentration then that would not be one fifth of PCC would it? Isn't PCC .25% concentration and

isn't that half of .5% (equals .50%) concentration? Or was that a typo and my concentration is not 0.5% but rather

o.05%? <img>

Sorry but I flunked Math in Highschool!

[NaughtieGirl]

Could

someone correct me if I'm wrong?

I think the 0.5 was a typo, and should have been 0.005

10% base mix then

1/20 diluent = 0.005
10% base mix then 1/10 diluent = 0.010
10% base mix then 1/4 diluent = 0.025 which would be

same as PCC - Boy they did a great job at covering up smell!
10% base mix then 1/2 would be double the strength of

PCC ?

If this is correct I should have made my 10% base mix with scented oil and scented alcohol because the

smell of even the 10% is still pretty strong.
I'm so grateful the beta-version is gone! <img>

[NaughtieGirl]

I used PCC and

Phermol Factor/w last night with very good success. Hadn't really played around with the Phermol Factor, will have

to give that more of a try. It doesn't have a great fragrance, so I don't use it too much. Once you put it on the

smell pretty much disappears though.

I will try diluting the EW into my BBW Cucumber Melon body cream tonight,

and see how it goes.

Bindy
Hey Bindy and all,

For the continuing saga of my EW experiments: Go

to the thread called "Natural copulins". I wrote some of my early mixing attempts there. Although Oscar suggested

diluting it beyond PCC, I first wanted to try a somewhat stronger concentration.

Bindy - Give the Green Tea /

Cucumber Lotion from BBW a try as well - It's not as (sickeningly) sweet smelling. I like it better. So how did

your dilution attempts work out?

Pheromol Factor/w - I just bought that today. It does not have a great

fragrance? <img> Oh well... I guess I can always cover it up with something else.

Night all!
Naughtie

[NaughtieGirl]

Report on mixing experiment

# 1:

To refresh your memories:
I had made two 10% batches per Oscar's recommendations higher in this thread -

one was oil-based, the other alcohol-based. Now my goal was to bring it to PCC concentration with a nice smell.



Last night I mixed:

Mix # 1:
- 5 drops of 10% oil-based EW with
- 10 drops of tangerine EO and
- 5 drops

of Vanilla.
The Vanilla wasn't straight EO but EO mixed with an oil, I bought it like that.

Mix # 2:
- 5

drops of 10% alcohol-based EW with
- 15 drops of orange/mango B&BW body splash.

Let it sit overnight, then this

morning:
One drop of Mix #1 on left wrist, One drop of Mix # 2 on other wrist.

Sniff tests at 10 - 20 - 30 and

120 minutes.

Mix # 1 (oil) started out smelling pleasantly right away (10 mins) and remained pleasant. First it

smelled a little more like tangerine, later the vanilla came through. No EW bleed-through. Now after 2.5 hours I can

barely smell it. It never needed any covering up. But I'll double-check it some day with my assistant!

Mix # 2

(alcohol) Now that one is intruiging. At 10 mins there was EW bleed-through smell. Progressively after 20 and 30

mintes the Mandarin/Orange came through more. It made for a spicy, woody kind of an odor, strangely enough. Now

after 2.5 hours I can still smell it and it certainly does not smell unpleasant. Maybe this is a more masculine

mix?

How's everyone else coming along with their EW mixing?

[dolly]

Personally, vanilla is one of my

all-time favorites to cover EW....I'm not sure exactly why, but I never get any bleed-thru....and I always prefer

oils. It's almost like the alcohol based products make the EW have a sharper smell.

[NaughtieGirl]

Personally,

vanilla is one of my all-time favorites to cover EW....I'm not sure exactly why, but I never get any

bleed-thru....and I always prefer oils. It's almost like the alcohol based products make the EW have a sharper

smell.
I agree. I am now going to try to improve upon the 10% oil-based formula. Maybe increase the

vanilla and decrease the tangerine/orange. Problem with vanilla is that pure vanilla EO is expensive. I also need to

try the greenteas from B&BW. That one would be very diluted because I cannot count drop of lotion. I'd like to try

a 5% mix as well. That would be double the strength of PCC. What concentrations have you been working with?

[dolly]

I agree. I am

now going to try to improve upon the 10% oil-based formula. Maybe increase the vanilla and decrease the

tangerine/orange. Problem with vanilla is that pure vanilla EO is expensive. I also need to try the greenteas from

B&BW. That one would be very diluted because I cannot count drop of lotion. I'd like to try a 5% mix as well. That

would be double the strength of PCC. What concentrations have you been working with?


I buy a

vanilla perfume oil (not a pure EO), and I use a 10ml roll on bottle. I use 5-6ml perfume oil and fill it the rest

of the way with EW. Very concentrated, but works like a dream! But, then again, weaker cops concentrations never

give me results (most women get hits with PCC, but I don't).

[NaughtieGirl]

I buy a

vanilla perfume oil (not a pure EO), and I use a 10ml roll on bottle. I use 5-6ml perfume oil and fill it the rest

of the way with EW. Very concentrated, but works like a dream! But, then again, weaker cops concentrations never

give me results (most women get hits with PCC, but I don't).Yes, I've had to use stronger concentrations

of -nol as a whole as well. Thanks. As soon as I have a "satisfactory" concentration (balancing strength vs smell)

I'll use my empty roll-on. I'll keep you posted. :cheers:

[NaughtieGirl]

Re my earlier post:

Mix

# 1 (oil) started out smelling pleasantly right away (10 mins) and remained pleasant. First it smelled a little more

like tangerine, later the vanilla came through. No EW bleed-through. Now after 2.5 hours I can barely smell it. It

never needed any covering up. But I'll double-check it some day with my assistant!

Several days later, after

giving EW a chance to "bloom" this is still a very wearable mix. :thumbsup:

Today I put 1 drop of full-strength

EW in 2 oz of B&BW Green tea lotion (the little bottles of lotion they sell). I like it better than the

cucumber/melon because it smells fresher and not as "sweet". It will clash less with my other fragrances. One drop

in 2 oz lotion - no bleed through of copulins. My hand hovered, dropper in hand, and I was soo tempted to add a

second drop! But I didn't. Test this one out first and then I can still add a second drop. I cannot take out.

:POKE: