Monthly / Annual Expenditure on Pheromones

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With all the differences in pheromone use, I was wondering how many dollars a month or year people in this forum spend on pheromones. Please list pheromone combination, dosage, and frequency of use. Do most find it afforable and worth the cost?

[oscar]

truth,

Actually in the last year, I\'ve spent many hundreds of dollars buying almost every men\'s product on the Love-Scent site. I wanted to try them all! I have P10, PI, NPA, AE, AFA, PPA, TE, Attraction, Realm, APC, Lure, Yes, PF, Phero Kit, and wipes. Plus a couple of other things I\'ve purchased elsewhere, and the SP oils that I got as freebies.

But there\'s NO WAY I could use all this stuff in one year. I\'d estimate that my per day expenditure on phero products doesn\'t exceed 50 cents, and is probably closer to 25 cents or less, and I assure you that I\'m using enough to get good, solid results.

The products DO represent a considerable initial investment, but their daily use is not that expensive, considering the rewards!

If one chooses wisely, and uses the stuff efficiently, the cost may even be less than that of a high-end, non-phero cologne. The best products for versatility, economy, and effect are NPA, AE, and P10 in my opinion.

I did the original \"research\" on the product content, and Scientist did the dosage recommendation study. The next logical step would be to calculate the price per dose of the various products.
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25 cents! Given that all the pheromone products here are $30-$60 a bottle, one bottle would last you 100-200 applications?!

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Wow, it looks like the thread started by Scientist was very informative indeed. Here\'s a repost:


Hi all. I\'m new here, and I\'ve been following Wilde Oscar\'s data gathering with interest because
I\'ve been doing something similar to him, but instead of focusing on the cost per ml I\'ve been
looking over all the past history and determining what a \"successful\" dose is for each product and
the product\'s pheromone concentration. I\'m doing this in hopes of getting the dosage right to
start out with (I just got my first set of toys this past week, three days after the order. Great
service!)

The results are pretty interesting, and I think provide a guide for product usage. I\'ll spoil the
surprise and say that it appears the \"ideal\" dose is about 0.020 to 0.030 mg of pheromones. It\'d
be great to get data on androtenone and androstenol separately, but this is all I had to work
with.

Anyway, let me know what y\'all think of this.

First of all, let\'s define the units for applying the pheromones.

We have dabs, drops, and sprays. Note that the viscosity of the solution and the type of
applicator can change the size of these units (a drop from a fine syringe needle and a drop from
my fingertip are very different in size). I\'m using my finger as a \"standard\" here \'cause that\'s
what we all use in real life. To measure the units, I used a calibrated 1 milliliter syringe to
measure what got dispensed onto my finger or cap.

Dab. This is where one wets the fingertip by holding it over the bottle mouth and tipping the
bottle. This was hardest to measure, it comes down to being about 0.01 ml, and no more than
0.02 ml. Measured with a bottle of AE.

Drop. A full-size, free-falling drop from the fingertip measures 0.05 ml. Note that this leaves a
partial dab on the fingertip after the drop falls. Measured with a bottle of APC.

Spray. OK, I\'m sure this varies widely, but I measured the spray from my bottle of The Edge into
the plastic cap. It\'s 0.13 ml.

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At this point, I looked over all the past messages looking for dose and \"hit\" reports (and
overdose reports, too.) I also calculated (like Wilde Oscar) the pheromone content per ml.

Here\'s the \"consensus\" dosing I uncovered for several products:

The Edge (TE): 0.12mg/ml. one or two sprays.
Alter-Ego (AE): 0.45mg/ml. two to four dabs.
Primal Instinct (PI): 0.5mg/ml. 4 dabs, 1 drop, 2 drops.
Andro 4.2: .14mg/ml. two sprays.

Using the unit measurements from above, and doing the math:

TE: One spray = 0.13ml * 0.12mg/ml = 0.016mg/dose
TE: Two sprays = 0.26ml * 0.12mg/ml = 0.031mg/dose

AE: Two dabs = 0.02ml * 0.45mg/ml = 0.009mg/dose
AE: Four dabs = 0.04ml * 0.45mg/ml = 0.018mg/dose

PI: Four Dabs = 0.04ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.02mg/dose
PI: 1 drop = 0.05ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.025mg/dose
PI: 2 drops = 0.1ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.05mg/dose

Andro: Two sprays = 0.26ml * 0.14mg/ml = 0.036mg/dose.

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What\'s this all mean? Notice that we\'ve got a range from 0.009mg to 0.05mg, and that it
appears the \"preferred\" or recommended dosages are around the 0.02mg range, +/- a few mg,
regardless of the products used.

I did more math and message reading, and the overdose range appears to start around
0.04mg/dose. While there\'s some reported major hits at 0.05mg, I think they\'re the exception.
There\'s more reported negative hits above 0.04mg than positive 0.05mg hits. Note this is in
keeping with the warnings about not using more than one drop of PI.

Note that two sprays of jambat\'s 70/30 APC/NPA mix was reported to be hit-producing, and works
out to about .032mg/dose, so this math works well for predicting success with mixes, too. A
combinations such as two dabs of AE and a spray of TE puts us at 0.028mg/dose, the high side
of the \"hit\" range (but maybe not if we deduct the \'stenol as a different pheromone.)

Interestingly, APC alone, with a supposed content of .05mg/ml (I had a hard time finding data
as well Oscar) would require about TEN drops to 0.025mg/dose. That\'s a lot of drops -- but it also
consistent with a message reporting hits when there\'s an APC \"overdose.\" On the plus side, it\'s
unlikely you\'ll OD using APC. Sounds like with the new APC, you\'ll not OD if you dump the entire
bottle on yourself.

In summary, it looks like the target range for delivered dose of pheromones is about 0.02 mg,
with a top end around 0.032 mg, and past 0.04mg, you\'re probably OD.

Note that as the stuff wears off, a 0.05mg OD could drop into the high-end hit range.

To help out, whenever you report a hit, please mention what was used and how much (so no one
has to ask) and it\'d be nice to know how long it\'d been since you applied the pheromones to let
use start to control for that, too.

Scientist