Transdermal uptake???

[belgareth]

Last weekend we

took a ski trip and I noticed a strange thing happening so decided to bring it up. I didn't take any mones with me

but have been wearing mones daily for more than a year. Before starting with mones several years ago I got the

normal occaisional hit in my day to day world.

So here's what happened. Get up in the morning, shower, dress

and go to breakfast. Nothing unusual, people are friendly, the service is decent. Hit the slopes and do some fairly

serious excercise for most of the day. Change clothes and go to dinner. I'm getting hits all over the place! The

waitress is solitious and dotes on me while almost ignoring the others at the table with me. Lady at the next table

is staring at me and making frequent eye contact and smiling and so on. Thought it was a little odd but didn't

think much about it.

Next day we did the same things but at different resturants and the same thing happened!

I'm not imagining it, others in our group noticed it too and were talking about it. My girlfriend thought it was

great. She loved it that her companion was getting all the stares from other women.

The possibilities I can

think of are that my own pheromone production has changed significantly, my demeanor has changed enough to make an

impression or that all the mones I've been using are in part absorbed by my skin and resurface as a result of light

sweating. It doesn't seem likely that my own pheromoones have changed that much and I believe I behave much the

same as I did a couple years ago.

Anybody have any other thoughts on this?

[bjf]

You said it was "fairly serious

exercise" but then said that you had only "light sweating."

I know skiing makes me sweat a lot because you

are exercising in such heavy clothing and the slopes aren't normally that cold.

If you've been using

daily for a year, you must have some serious buildup at the lower levels of the skin. I think it was the sweating

or maybe body heat that you experienced under your clothing that brought it about. Just a guess though, and your

own natural mones could have been involved as well.

[belgareth]

I like the cold and don't wear

nearly as much clothing as most others and am in pretty good condition so it was light sweating. I wasn't doing

moguls or anything quite that extreme, it's been a long time since I last skied. Once the temps got over 35 degrees

I left my coat in a locker.

[belgareth]

While it's been mentioned on

the forum many times, I had never seen any evidence of it before this so was a bit sceptical.

[tim929]

You mentioned you were with

someone...Something I have run into many times is that when I am with a date or a girl friend,women will pay alot

more atention to me than when im alone or out with the guys.I am 38 years old and wouldnt be considered all that and

a bag of chips...but I went to lunch recently with a coworker who is twenty two and drop dead hot.She and I have had

a very friendly relationship since we started working together and at the cafe we went to,the waitress...a girl who

was all of nineteen years old and hotter than a two dollar pistol,wouldnt stop looking me over and making eyes at

me.The only thin I could figure out was that being in the company of an attractive YOUNG woman had her wondering

what I had that this hottie was after.Perhapse alittle competitive thing going on where she was expressing an

interest in finding out what was so great about me.The same thing happened to me weeks later with a woman that I was

dating who,altho she was someone special to me...wasnt all that terribly hot.We went to the casino and while sitting

at the black jack table,younger women would stand over my shoulder and watch and on winning hands would be unusualy

congratulatory...touching my shoulders and patting me on the back and such.One pair of young women stood out in

particular.I got the destinct impression,as did my date that if I had asked for thier phone numbers I would have

gotten them.Both women in thier mid twenties and very cute.
My best guess runs along the lines of something I

heard about recently while listening to a very popular but contovercial talk radio show.That being in the presence

of a woman lends a man "social validation" regarding his worth as a potential mate.According to this radio

host,there is an escort service in southern California that specializes in sending a man out in public to his

favorite hot spots with a very attractive "date."The idea being that women who are likely to see him again will have

seen him with and attractive woman befor and because of that they will be more likely to give him a chance based on

the babe he was with the other night.Apperantly it works.All the guys I know get alot more hits when they are out

with thier girlfriends/wives or even just by having a weding ring on.I had a coworker who,for lack of a better term

was...homely.Nice guy,but not a ladies man.He met a girl and they got married after a couple years.As soon as he

started wearing a ring,women seemed to think he was a pretty okay guy and would hit on him.I was even able to

witness this several times myself.This is the kind of guy who for years couldnt get a date to save his life.
My

question is weather or not you may have been running into this same sort of situation.Women see you with someone

else and decide that maybe you might be worth taking a shot at.It's happened to me and all of the guys I know...

[belgareth]

I was with my girlfriend and 2

other couples. We've been together for a little over a year now. She's 28 and, IMO, very nice looking. Others who

have met her or seen her pics think so too. I'm a 48 year dirty old man. :)

We are out together in the evenings

and on weekends quite a lot. Most the time I don't reapply mones in the evenings but usually shower after work. Not

once in the time we've been together have I had the hits like I got those two evenings without wearing mones. It

startled me when I finally noticed what was happening.

[Marlboro_man]

The

possibilities I can think of are that my own pheromone production has changed significantly, my demeanor has changed

enough to make an impression or that all the mones I've been using are in part absorbed by my skin and resurface as

a result of light sweating. It doesn't seem likely that my own pheromoones have changed that much and I believe I

behave much the same as I did a couple years ago.

Anybody have any other thoughts on this?My thoughts

on your 3 questions.
1. I highly doubt your own pheremone signature could possibly change that much. The only

thing that may have changed alot is your ability to read and notice people's reaction vs before you started wearing

mones.
2. I can't see how your demeanor can change that much in a weekend, it just doesn't seem likely.
3. Build

up seems very possible and the only likely reason for these reactions shy of pure coincidence.

Please do us a

favor bel: Wear mones daily for a month again and then take a weekend off again and let us know what happens. I

think we will know for sure.

A couple of questions for you: Do you change your application points? Do you

change what mones you wear?

[belgareth]

Build up

seems very possible and the only likely reason for these reactions shy of pure coincidence.

Please do us a favor

bel: Wear mones daily for a month again and then take a weekend off again and let us know what happens. I think we

will know for sure.

A couple of questions for you: Do you change your application points? Do you change what

mones you wear?Coincidence occured to me but a coincidence two days in a row seems pretty unlikely. It may

be a bit longer than a month before the right conditions recur but I'll be watching for a good opportunity to test

it. I'm very curious about it.

I think build up is a simplification. If it was just build up, wouldn't I have

seen hits in the morning as well as the evening?

No, I don't change either. I've been trying to run my

experiments with mones in as rigid a fashion as possible so try hard to do the same thing the same way every day. It

isn't a truly controlled experiment but is the best I can do. The only change I've made in seven months is to add

A1 to my mix last month.

[bjf]

Bel, you saw build up affects after

your skiing.....mones on the skin surface don't last forever. I don't see why you think you would have seen hits

the next morning.

[belgareth]

That's my point. If it was

simply build up on the surface I should have seen hits in the morning as well as the afternoon, possibly more so. It

seems to indicate that the mones are absorbed through at least one layer of skin and sweating returns them to the

surface. It also may be relevant that the mones I use are all alcohol based rather than oil. Possibly greater

absorbtion?

[bjf]

I am confused as to what you mean.

But we can agree the pheromone products sink into the skin. You use daily for a year, and your gonna have a

collection of mones beneath the surface. Sweating promotes them to the surface. You skiied, when the afternoon?

You sweated, had some body heat, and the pheromones got to the top layer of skin. You relaxed in the evening, and

the pheromone molecules got from your skin to various ladies noses. They had their time, say 8 hours or so. You

woke up the next morning and everything was its normal self. Then you skiied, sweated, relaxed, and got

reactions.

[belgareth]

That's pretty close. I guess

the main area is that I have been sceptical of transdermal absorbtion and reemergence having never seen the effect

before, only read theories here. I'm still curious about the actual mechanism and if it is really happening. The

sweat glands are spread out in our skin to some degree. What percentage of mones actually reach them and can come

back to the surface? Or is there some other less understood mechanism at work? How long can mones remain in your

skin? Is there any conversion factor? How about scents, does the same thing happen with them?

I know that

diabetics can get transdermal patches to get insulin into their bloodstream and people use patches to absorb

nicotine to help them quit smoking. Does that indicate that we are putting mones into our bloodstream? I'm not

concerned about the health issues but am interested in the rest of it.

Just saying they are absorbed and sweated

out seems to gloss over a lot of questions.

[bjf]

When I used to use too much none I

would get reactions days after. And it would also mess up future applications that weren't OD amounts, because I

still went over the OD threshold.

I have a feeling when the stuff sinks into the skin, it just last longer

because of less oxygen. Even if it is a small percentage that lasts, say 2 percent, when you wear daily, it will

probably be high enough to have an effect when driven to the skin.

The mones may or may not be around the

sweat glands, but the actually H20 being pushed through your pores probably collects the mones on the way. Plus the

heat that your body is experiencing radiates them out, as they are extremely light/small molecules we are talking

about here.

I've figure the stuff may very well get into our bloodstream, but never was concerned with it.