View Full Version : Pheros are great
gmcarroll33
01-26-2005, 03:20 PM
I received my
order of Pheros about 2 weeks ago, and just the past 2 days have finally started using it. I've gotta say this is
some of the best smelling stuff once it gets on your skin. The girls also love it. Today in class I was just
sitting there and the three hottest girls in the class all surrounded me. One on each side and the other one behind
me. The two on each side both twirled their hair nonstop too. I've never really had Pheromones getting girls to
twirl their hair as much as the Pheros had them doing today. All said, I love Pheros and recommend it to anybody
thinking about it.
Gegogi
01-26-2005, 04:11 PM
Some guys are into feet, some
legs, others ass, but hair twirling is a new one for me! I catch major wood when women lick their lips and stretch
in such a way to reveal a flat tummy.
gmcarroll33
01-26-2005, 05:40 PM
I wasn't saying hair
twirling was something that excites me, just saying I thought it was interesting how crazy the girls started getting
about twirling their hair when they got near me with Pheros on.
DrSmellThis
01-26-2005, 06:20 PM
So does the gm stand for
"grandmaster"? :)
Gegogi
01-26-2005, 09:00 PM
Sorry GM, I was just hankin'
your chain, although you did seem rather excited. Oddly, I often see groups of teenage girls walking around malls
twirling their hair. Even without any guys around they do it. I figured it was a nervous habit specific to young
women. Many of them twirl for awhile, smell their hair and twirl some more. The smelling thing is really odd.
MOBLEYC57
01-26-2005, 10:20 PM
I received my
order of Pheros about 2 weeks ago, and just the past 2 days have finally started using it. I've gotta say this is
some of the best smelling stuff once it gets on your skin. The girls also love it. Today in class I was just sitting
there and the three hottest girls in the class all surrounded me. One on each side and the other one behind me. The
two on each side both twirled their hair nonstop too. I've never really had Pheromones getting girls to twirl their
hair as much as the Pheros had them doing today. All said, I love Pheros and recommend it to anybody thinking about
it.How much and how did you apply your Pheros, GMC? :blink:
Thanks!
Friendly1
01-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Hair twirling doesn't always
mean the girl is interested in a guy. But given that the three girls sat right next (or behind) him AND twirled
their hair, that is a probable triple hit.
when you start wearing pheros, i
think you start paying more attention to whats happening around you, were they twirling there hair more often, or
were you paying more attention.
gmcarroll33
01-27-2005, 11:06 AM
First off I was using 3 dabs
of Pheros. 2 dabs on the neck and 1 on the wrist. The hair twirling thing caught my attention so much because I
just noticed how excessive it seemed that all three of them were twirling their hair. It was kind of like one would
sit down and then about 2-3 minutes later they would start playing with their hair and twirling it almost nonstop
for a while. I didn't think much about the first one doing it. But after the 2nd and 3rd did the exact same thing
I had to believe it was the Pheros. Thanks for Pheros DrSmellThis. One of the best smelling products I've used.
By the way Gm is just my initials. NOt grand master.
DrSmellThis
01-27-2005, 02:08 PM
You're very welcome. I'm
glad your initial experiences have been promising with it.
Were you combining it with other pheromones?
Marlboro_man
01-27-2005, 02:10 PM
I won Pheros in the auction
that I started and am very excited about trying it.
gfunk
01-27-2005, 02:14 PM
gmcarroll33 (member.php?u=1216), which product did you use?
Marlboro_man
01-27-2005, 02:23 PM
gmcarroll33 (http://member.php/?u=1216), which product did you use?He was using
Pheros, he already wrote that but in case you saw that and still didn't understand, Pheros is a product sold on
love scent that from what I understand has no pheremones but rather a cover scent that contains a 100 essential oils
and aphrodisiacs.
DrSmellThis
01-27-2005, 02:29 PM
There are pheromones in
Pheros; just not a lot of any single synthetic like -none, -rone, or nol. The pherolibrary has a link about
Pheros from the forum in which I talk about the pheromones in Pheros at length.
Marlboro_man
01-27-2005, 02:31 PM
There
are pheromones in Pheros; just not a lot of any single synthetic like -none, -rone, or nol. The pherolibrary
has a link about Pheros from the forum in which I talk about the pheromones in Pheros at
length.Sorry Doc, I had read that but mistated what you had written. Thank you for correcting me.
DrSmellThis
01-27-2005, 02:45 PM
Here. The link I referred to
is the first at the bottom of the page:
http://www.pherolibrary.com/guide/productguide/ph
eros.htm (http://www.pherolibrary.com/guide/productguide/pheros.htm)
CptKipling did a great job putting together the page and links! Thanks!
Incidentally, Kip
might want to know that when you click on the word Pheros there you get the Chikara page.
CptKipling
01-27-2005, 02:59 PM
Doc,
Thanks for pointing
that out. It seems that it's actually a problem on the Love-Scent store page, the product number is actually
correct.
DrSmellThis
01-28-2005, 02:43 PM
....................
Surreal
01-28-2005, 03:05 PM
one spray chikara and 2 dabs
PHEROS..... is this an OD?
MOBLEYC57
01-28-2005, 03:11 PM
Doesn't sound like it, to me,
Sur. :think:
What are the possibilities of an OD being the sensitivity to mones on the tartget's snotter
(nose)? :blink:
Don't know if that's worded right. OD only happens when the target's nose is highly sensitive
to mones, maybe? :blink:
Friendly1
01-28-2005, 09:24 PM
No, OD happens when you
use/wear too much. Pheromones are not detected through your sense of smell. They are detected through one or more
extra senses (extra meaning senses other than sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste).
MOBLEYC57
01-28-2005, 09:42 PM
No, OD happens
when you use/wear too much. Pheromones are not detected through your sense of smell. They are detected through one
or more extra senses (extra meaning senses other than sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste).
I can't
give you the technical terms, but something (extra senses) picks up something (mones), and everyone's extra senses
(something) doesn't pick up on ODs/mones, yes? :think:
The same'ole questions, the same'ole answers, and
still .... no mastery of the beast.:whip:
The search for the answers continues ... here at Love Scent. :box:
Friendly1
01-28-2005, 11:47 PM
I can't give
you the technical terms, but something (extra senses) picks up something (mones), and everyone's extra senses
(something) doesn't pick up on ODs/mones, yes? :think:
The same'ole questions, the same'ole answers, and
still .... no mastery of the beast.:whip:
The search for the answers continues ... here at Love Scent.
:box:
James Kohl just posted on this a couple of days ago:
"The VNO is not required for pheromones to
elicit a hormone response."
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.ph
p?t=12995&highlight=kohl (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12995&highlight=kohl)
Earlier this month, bjf cited an article which -- in very rough layman's terms
-- supports the contention that the VNO does not have to be involved in a reaction to pheromone.
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread
.php?t=12930&highlight=steroid (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12930&highlight=steroid)
So, the Vomeronasal organ is located in your nose. It is used by other
species to detect pheromones (thousands of them in some species). Much debate has raged about the functionality of
the human Vomeronasal organ since 1969 (when the first study to prove that human pheromones do function was
published).
James Kohl and other researchers have published articles which argue that human pheromone production
and reactivity exceed previous interpretations of early data.
So, our sixth sense would be our vomeronasal
sense, but our SEVENTH sense would be our basic chemical reaction(s) to pheromones (I don't know if there is any
special name for the process).
That is about as well as I believe I can explain it.
gfunk
01-29-2005, 07:06 AM
Aha, Yes I fgured that It might
have beenthe name of a product...
Has anyone documented a realOD that could be detected by sight, hearing
:LOL:
MOBLEYC57
01-29-2005, 07:15 AM
James Kohl just
posted on this a couple of days ago:
"The VNO is not required for pheromones to elicit a hormone response."
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.ph
p?t=12995&highlight=kohl (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12995&highlight=kohl)
Earlier this month, bjf cited an article which -- in very rough layman's terms
-- supports the contention that the VNO does not have to be involved in a reaction to pheromone.
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread
.php?t=12930&highlight=steroid (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12930&highlight=steroid)
So, the Vomeronasal organ is located in your nose. It is used by other
species to detect pheromones (thousands of them in some species). Much debate has raged about the functionality of
the human Vomeronasal organ since 1969 (when the first study to prove that human pheromones do function was
published).
James Kohl and other researchers have published articles which argue that human pheromone production
and reactivity exceed previous interpretations of early data.
So, our sixth sense would be our vomeronasal
sense, but our SEVENTH sense would be our basic chemical reaction(s) to pheromones (I don't know if there is any
special name for the process).
That is about as well as I believe I can explain it.
Expalin it well,
you did!
Thanks! :thumbsup:
DrSmellThis
01-29-2005, 10:59 AM
It is good to keep in mind
that pheromones can and are detected via smell, which is a chemical sense. "Olfaction" is the process of the sense
of smell, and encompasses unconscious effects too. Smells are more or less consciously perceived. A conscious smell
contributes to a pheromone's effect, such as the musky smells pheromones have. Consciously perceived smells
activate many areas of the brain.
Friendly1
01-29-2005, 05:18 PM
Reactions to odors tend to be
conditioned responses. Every once in a while a fragrance wafts me away to lala land. There had to be a first time
which wasn't a conditioned response, but most of them ARE conditioned responses.
So, yes, some of us can smell
pheromones, but pheromones are not designed (by nature) to use the olfactory system as the primary path.
DrSmellThis
01-29-2005, 11:10 PM
Indeed, there is often an
associative element to our reactions to smells, often from a memory of a single moment in time (Whether such single
exposure association represents conditioning proper is debatable and could depend on the situation).
I think I
understand your point, but you might want to think about the distinction between conscious and unconscious
olfaction. It's all considered olfaction, from my information.
The only compelling alternative to standard
olfaction for pheromone activity is accessory olfaction -- the VNO. Accessory olfaction, however, is not the only
kind of unconscious olfaction, if it even is entirely unconscious (There is so much we don't know, after all -- see
link I provide below for an exploration of this heretical idea).
That is not to say that there are not different
reactions or responses caused by different olfactory input -- responses that have correspondingly different
pathways.
But there is no reason to assume that nature (or natural selection) designed human olfaction
(conscious and unconscious) to react biologically only to the subset of nature consisting of other people. Our
species, like any other, depends on it's relationship with all of nature to survive, not just other people. We find
rotting odors of many kinds offensive because it helps us avoid disease, for example, rather than because we might
have had some number of bad experiences with them.
I don't buy the idea that aromatherapy is all about
conditioned responses. For an aromatheapist, that would be akin to someone saying pain relief from aspirin is a
conditioned response, denying its inherent properties.
For example, valerian and lavender are neurologically
relaxing pretty much regardless of one's conditioning. Similarly, spices are neurologically arousing because of
inherent excitatory properties.
Perhaps it's just all about semantics. :)
Friendly1
01-29-2005, 11:28 PM
Well, a quick check of somewhat
reliable Web sources provides mixed terminology. The vomeronasal system is described as an "accessory olfactory
system", as "a separate olfactory system", and as "outside of the olfactory system".
It's not something I feel
compelled to argue about.
And I don't know much about aromatherapy, except that it was the butt of a joke in a
car rental company's commercial.
tounge
01-29-2005, 11:29 PM
Good point, Smell This. Keep in
mind that when people lose their sense of smell, they often lose their sexual desires.
DrSmellThis
01-29-2005, 11:43 PM
Well, a quick
check of somewhat reliable Web sources provides mixed terminology. The vomeronasal system is described as an
"accessory olfactory system", as "a separate olfactory system", and as "outside of the olfactory system".
It's
not something I feel compelled to argue about.
And I don't know much about aromatherapy, except that it was the
butt of a joke in a car rental company's commercial.I personally would be fine with people calling VNO
reception a different sense; if they would just be consistent. It wouldn't change anything in my understanding, so
I share your disinterest in debating that.
You are correct that the terminology has been rather confused in the
literature. So here is the thread in which I attempted to remedy that by presenting my classification scheme for
relevant types of olfaction in detail (as well as a good deal of other theoretical material on olfaction and human
behavior). To my knowledge this indeed hadn't been done; so I was hoping to help prevent unnecessary
misunderstandings and debates; by defining all those terms to fit in with the state of knowledge on it all. It
should clarify where I am coming from.
http://love-scent.com/fo
rum/showthread.php?t=10963&highlight=olfaction+unconscious (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10963&highlight=olfaction+unconscious) (see posts #12, 14 and 15)
Marlboro_man
01-30-2005, 01:26 AM
I recieved my Pheros today
and my first reaction when smellin the bottle was that I wasted my money, but I chose to try it out anyways. Well
after a few minutes of wearing it I found myself taking deep breaths to get a whiff of it. It smells great once it
interacts with your body and I polled 10 women today to smell it and all of them either liked it or loved it.
THanks DOC!
Friendly1
01-30-2005, 10:26 AM
Well, your classification
system is a little too complex for me. Nonetheless, I think it is more productive to speak in terms of detecting
pheromones outside of the standard olfactory sense without dwelling on the interconnections (both obvious and
unclear).
DrSmellThis
01-30-2005, 04:48 PM
Olfaction is as complex as it
is without my help. We can't wave a magic wand to make it simple, unfortunately. So I was organizing the complexity
to help people understand the bigger picture.
Speaking as if "all pheromones are detected and processed outside
olfaction" could happen in the field only with the most "die hard Erox person", since they want to define pheromones
as anything that triggers the VNO (their patented chemicals), and nothing else. Even then, research indicates the
VNO is not required for pheromones to work. Again, that leaves olfaction.
Friendly1
01-30-2005, 05:53 PM
No, I wouldn't say it leaves
olfaction. It leaves olfaction and any other process that may be involved.
DrSmellThis
01-30-2005, 05:56 PM
Like what? What sense(s)?
Friendly1
01-30-2005, 06:05 PM
Like what?
What sense(s)?
We don't yet know enough to say we have mapped the entire pheromonal process.
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