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MOBLEYC57
01-24-2005, 08:02 PM
into CORE
EXERCISES? :blink: I've been told that I SHOULD REALLY look into their benefits.
Your thoughts/experiences is
mucho appreciated. :thumbsup:
ManBeast
01-25-2005, 01:00 AM
Well, what exactly are ya
lookin to do mobs? Check out http://www.exrx.net/ and feel free to PM me with any questions, they have a
muscle map which you can click and find the muscles to work, as well as suggested exercises. A very basic free
body-weight core workout would be something like crunches, reverse crunches, back hyperextensions, and oblique
crunches. You can just get fancier from there.
MB
Marlboro_man
01-25-2005, 02:33 AM
Due to my ignorance, I must
ask what is a core exercise? I always have the need to develop all aspects of life (in this case body and mind)
further.
MOBLEYC57
01-25-2005, 08:06 AM
Well, what
exactly are ya lookin to do mobs? Check out http://www.exrx.net/ and feel free to
PM me with any questions, they have a muscle map which you can click and find the muscles to work, as well as
suggested exercises. A very basic free body-weight core workout would be something like crunches, reverse crunches,
back hyperextensions, and oblique crunches. You can just get fancier from there.
MB
Thanks for the
link, MB! :thumbsup:
I was in the gym, and the fella told me to lay down on my stomach, raise up on my
forearms and elbows, and raise my butt off the floor until I felt my body had a even line ... resting on my forearms
and elbows and toes. I started trembling in less than 30 seconds, but I knew there was something to it. I guess, to
answer your question, I'm wondering about the benefits of CORE exercises for my back, and it suppose to do wonders
for the elderly. Was just wondering had anyone on the forum ventured down that road, and if they felt they
had/thought they had good benefits from certain movements. :think:
ManBeast
01-25-2005, 12:11 PM
Core exercises are THE MOST
IMPORTANT if you aren't already doing a lot of proper weight training (I.E deadlifts, squats, bent-over-rows) with
free weights and weight belts only when needed (they tend to get a good amount of work with a proper routine, and
over-training is a very possible and bad thing, even for these muscles). They are THE primary stabilizers for the
entire body, strenthening your core puts less load on your spine when you are holding your body up, it is also the
group of muscles you use to "lock" your core when doing something like a squat, w hich allows you to prevent damage
to your back that can occur with improper form and/or a very weak core. This is the reason I laugh when I see people
do major core work before or with their squats... you are wearing out the most important stabilizer muscles for that
lift ahead of time!. Where were you trembling when you did that by the way?
MB
MOBLEYC57
01-25-2005, 06:05 PM
Where were you
trembling when you did that by the way?
MB
My whole body trembled! :sad: But it makes sense to build
those inner muscles, now that I think about it, and especially since I'm getting older with so many physical
problems. :blink:
SweetBrenda
01-26-2005, 12:05 AM
My whole
body trembled! :sad: But it makes sense to build those inner muscles, now that I think about it, and especially
since I'm getting older with so many physical problems. :blink: I'm going to start going to thai bo
classes in Feb. I'm looking foward to that. My boss is really into it and she really got me interested since I;ve
been wanting to learn more about it for a while now. So is going to be me and the other girl I work with and my Boss
attending the same class.
Good luck with that!
MOBLEYC57
01-26-2005, 10:28 PM
I'm going to
start going to thai bo classes in Feb. I'm looking foward to that. My boss is really into it and she really got me
interested since I;ve been wanting to learn more about it for a while now. So is going to be me and the other girl I
work with and my Boss attending the same class.
Good luck with that!
A new man and thai bo, eh? :smite:
And your energy source issssss? :blink:
Heard that thai bo tis no :nono: joke! Don't hurt nobooooooooody,
SweetB!:run:
satyrboy
02-16-2005, 10:14 PM
"core strength" is a new
buzzword but actually represents an important concept. Because of bodybuilding's influence on weightlifting over
the last decades, you'll now see people in the gym doing 3 sets of 15 reps, carefully isolating this or that
muscel. This can result in an aesthetically pleasing physique, no doubt. However, your body was not meant to
function as a set of separately contracting, isolated muscles. Your body functions as a whole. There are many ways
you can train your "core." I personally believe that lower reps and compound exercises with minimal assistance from
machines will not only do the trick, but will also provide you with "functional" strenght. Don't believe me? Try
this: load up whatever you feel to be 90% of your 1 rep max in a squat and step off the rack with no belt, no
wraps, no smith machine, nothing. Squat it 3 times. If you are not flexing every abdominal and paraspinal muscle
you own, you will be happy your in the rack or cage.
I have more or less abandoned doing bodybuilding style
workouts. I vary between things like squats and deadlifts, power cleans, kettlebell work, and sometimes workout out
with a sandbag filled with 130-200 lbs of gravel/leadshot/and sand.
There is a ton of information on the
internet on old school training. Look up Tsatsouline, Kubiks, Dinosaur training to get a start.
To give you an
idea, I'm in my mid thirties. About a year ago, my back and knees hurt. I could squat maybe 200 lbs and deadlift
maybe 210. I now squat over 500 and deadlift about the same. My back pain and knee pain are completely gone.
Think of your body as a coordinated group of muscles and train it accordingly with compound exercises. You will be
pleased with the results.
(and if you really find you still need gym muscles, I guess you can do your
concentration curls with the machine after you do the important stuff)
ManBeast
02-17-2005, 09:08 AM
Exactly.... I kid ya'll not I
had a guy come into my gym and check out a weight belt in order to do EVERY exercise (we're talking the big thick
one I might use when maxing out deadlifts or something....) on isolative cable machines.... When I got puzzled and
asked him why.. He said he went to his doctor and complained of lower back soreness, the doctor immediately told him
to start lifting while wearing a weight belt... the kicker in this is that the guy had been (still is?) consciously
holding his core LOOSE while doing things!!! "because then i'm only working the intended muscle" I legally wasn't
able to go any further in the convo since I'm not officially PT (personal trainer) certified... but man... where
the heck did he get that idea from?
MB
satyrboy
02-17-2005, 12:58 PM
I believe it. Moreover, I can
easily see a physician suggesting such a routine. Currently, musculoskeletal stuff is not a key priority in an
allopath's (MD) med school. DO's do a bit better in this field, but still no guarantee that they'll know what
they're doing in terms of recommending physical training. Incidentally, if you're just a member of the gym,
there's no reason you can't give advice whether you're a PT or not. People are forever coming up to me offering
(usually unwanted) advice.
Anyway to sum up:
Isolation: generally bad(unless you are trying to resolve an
identified weakness- this is usually a more advanced lifter)
Belt: In general bad. Lifting without a belt does
not cause injury. Lifting incorrectly causes injury. The only time I wear a belt is if I'm trying to lift more
weight: A very tightly cinched belt will add about 50 lbs to my squat(as I can brace against it at the bottom)
Compound exercises: good
free weights: good.
"odd object lifting: good
Kettlebells: good
Anyway good
luck with your training!
satyrboy
02-17-2005, 01:02 PM
I just realized that this
thread was started by a woman. Untrained women are often particularly guided to high rep light weight isolation
exercises for "tone" (my wife's trainer does this)
Again, I don't think that this is the best way to develop
long term musculature that will protect your joints. You will not get big and bulky unless you specifically train
for it. Very significant muscular hypertrophy actually requires a focus and committment to develop, it's not
something that plagues women (or men) who lift for health/crosstraining/as an adjunct for sports/etc.
satyrboy
02-17-2005, 01:13 PM
BTW manbeast. That link is a
very nice site. I bookmarked it for future use. Thanks.
ManBeast
02-17-2005, 01:28 PM
NP, Yah.. I'd honestly try for
WSM or something like that, but i'm only 5'7" tall and there's no way i can do something like the atlas stone...
Come stop by AM anytime.
MB
satyrboy
02-17-2005, 08:59 PM
There's now a sub 175 lb class
for strongman competition(maybe it's below 170lb-I can't remember which) In any case, the competitors will no
doubt be on the shorter side...
I've got some more lbs to lose, but at 5'6" myself, I'm considering doing those
comps.
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