View Full Version : What skill can do
Traggard
01-21-2005, 02:31 AM
People on this
board spend a lot of time testing different pheromone ratios, but often not enough time to develop their skills with
women. If you are not capitalizing on the hits you get they are of limited use. Even better – you do not have to
relay on hits at all in order to lay women.
Some time ago I met up with a really good player and saw him
picking up girls with ease in a club. His looks were normal, except that he was dressed really cool. Seeing him work
the club was almost surreal. He could go up to a hot looking girl who was already talking to a guy that looked much
better then him, having the girl totally ignoring the guy she was previously talking to within 30 seconds, and make
out with the girl a few minutes later. Basically, before seeing that I did not even think that things like that were
even possible.
Did he succeed with every single girl he approached? No, of course not. But the thing is –
he was totally unfazed no matter what happened, he honestly believed that if a girl were not interested it was her
lost, no matter how much hotter then him she was. His skill came down to 6 parts:
1) Believing that he
was the prize in the interaction. No matter how hot the girl was she had to prove to him that she was cool enough to
have a chance with him. The women sensed this and they started to chase after him, not the other way around.
2) His body language was perfect; he was completely relaxed, laid back and took up a lot of space.
3) He was touching the women almost as soon as he started talking with them. Often he laid his hand around the
women almost at the same time as he started talking with her. Before seeing this I would have thought that being
this physical this early would have made the women uncomfortable, but instead they really enjoyed it.
4)
If she said or did something that he did not like he would ignore her (while remaining in the same place) and
blatantly check out other girls. Often the girl he was with would then start to qualify herself to him again,
seeking his approval.
5) He would escalate from being in her personal space, to having his arm around
her, to smelling her hair etc with just a little bit of time between each step. All this while having a casual
conversation at the same time about a neutral topic. If she did not approve he would simply use step 4) until she
started to qualify to him again.
6) Almost every single time he went out he would lay one of the hottest
girls in the club. Of course he had to talk to several chicks before this to find one that was adventures enough and
fun enough, to take home. And these were not “stupid party girls” or some other bullshit excuse guys use it order to
feel more comfortable with their own lack on success. No, these were normal nice women who just happened to look
incredibly hot.
Now if a normal looking guy can achieve this kind off inner strength and skill anyone
can. All it takes is to systematically expand your comfort zone and learn that you, not the hot women you are
talking to, are the prize in the interaction. Another key issue is to understand what success is. Success is not
getting a particular girl. Success is to getting the skills so that you can lay hot women any time you want, without
having to relay on luck. The key to achieving success is rejection. The more rejections you get, the faster you
learn. Many guys are fixated with not screwing up when they talk to a hot woman. I know I was for the longest time.
Instead focus on having fun, make it a sport to make fun of hot looking women when you talk to them. Their reaction
is not what is important, what matter is that you enjoy the process of investigating if the women you talk to is
cool enough to have a chance with you.
Mungojerry
01-21-2005, 04:01 AM
Developing your skills and
personality will get you way more women than using pheromones. My best success actually came when I stopped using
pheromones entirely and just focused on the other parts of my game.
However, its not surprising that people
talk about pheromones here, it is, after all, the "pheromone discussion" not ASF or any of the other seduction
forums.
gfunk
01-21-2005, 04:15 AM
Superb reading m8! Very well put!
:thumbsup:
So we should really quit this phero-nonsense right? :LOL: I'm just kidding :rofl:
I'd love
to hear more on your rejection-stories. As 've never done that, but I'd love to try it for the fun and learning of
it.:thumbsup:
But imagine this, I think I speak for alot of us, the scenary is that you walk up towards a very
hot girl, and who very soon turns out to be of the kind "is tired up of all the attention from guys, so she's cold
and uninteressted, or at least takes more to impress". I mean it might not even be that she is, but this is how it
feels for many guys, and then you just instantly think that it's impossible, and then you don't know what to say
or do, just to get that opening where she would smile and conversate. Do you have any tips? I mean, for many guys
that aren't that aren't that great looking, this is really the scenario with most girls. :run:
Speaking for
myself, I like to apply the phero's and stay really calm and not do anything to get attention, when I'm in the
experimenting phase that is, as I'm right now. Then I'm really able to tell what's really a hit from the phero's
and not my own skills. This in order to get the max dosage achieved, and then wear phero's and again put on my
"player"-suit. I've got fairly good looks, and am quite successful with women without phero's, but the phero's
just works SOO much good for me, and in addittion to my own skills.:twisted:
gfunk
01-21-2005, 04:32 AM
In fact I would seriously
recommend a book called "Superflirt" written by Tracey Cox. Man, this book is fun and easy read, and learns you how
to read and perform body language to really get things happening.
Did you know that there's really easy and
no-noticeable, but yet extremely effective things you can do to get her subconciousness telling her "I'm attracted
to that person" ->you, when you perform it.
That's just one of many many great things she learns you in the
book. Definatley worth the money, I wouldn't want to be without it! In fact me being able to read womens body
language gives me the ability to see when they give "I'm interessted"- signs, when I normally wouldn't have
noticed it. And once you see, then you can work your newly learned skills to get her to do the next signs, and
you're off to success, again :)
bronzie
01-21-2005, 05:17 AM
I once read a quote with regard
to pheromones, it went something like this;
Pickup artists dont need them, Average Frustrated chumps cant use
them...
I agree with this post
In my experience, pheros are effective when ive already picked up the
girl
Traggard
01-21-2005, 05:29 AM
But imagine
this, I think I speak for a lot of us, the scenery is that you walk up towards a very hot girl, and who very soon
turns out to be of the kind "is tired up of all the attention from guys, so she's cold and uninterested, or at
least takes more to impress". I mean it might not even be that she is, but this is how it feels for many guys, and
then you just instantly think that it's impossible, and then you don't know what to say or do, just to get that
opening where she would smile and conversate. Do you have any tips? I mean, for many guys that aren't that aren't
that great looking, this is really the scenario with most girls. :run:
This is the wrong mindset. She
has to impress you, not the other way around. Also, it does not matter if she is cold or indifferent - there are at
least a 10.000.000 more hot women you can talk to. Instead feel excited when you get rejected. Each rejection means
more experience. More experience means more skill. More skill means that you will lay more women.
esk6969
01-21-2005, 07:57 AM
3) He was
touching the women almost as soon as he started talking with them. Often he laid his hand around the women almost at
the same time as he started talking with her. Before seeing this I would have thought that being this physical this
early would have made the women uncomfortable, but instead they really enjoyed it.
I have done this
exact same thing, and had the exact same experience. When I did it, I had a little "beer courage" in me, but it was
to the point where I was hyper-confident, yet not drunk. This was back in "party days", and was the result of
carefully cultivated practice. It would be better to cultivate this mindset, WITHOUT the use of alcohol.
Anyway, I often did this, and for those who haven't, might want to also do it, under the following context: as a
"wingman" for friends. It's very easy if you figure "hey, it's not for me anyway, so what do I give a shit". In
that case, rejection isn't even possible, but you aren't the one rejected!
This can be a fun bar game to play
with friends. You're hanging out, feeling good about yourself - and you begin a sort of dare/I will if you will/
sort of a game. Often times, I would say "pick one". My friends would be like "huh"?, I'd be like "pick a girl
from the bar, I'll go get her for you". They'd be like "bullshit", but I (in beer-enhanced hyper-confident mode,
again), would just repeat, "pick one". So they would. I'd get up (friend now has terrified look in eyes), walk
over to whatever chick they picked - didn't matter if she was hot or not, with a guy or not - because, again, it
wasn't for me!
So, my approach was usually pretty much the same - it will sound stupid on paper, but
remember, it's all in the execution - just walk up, put my arm around her waist (sometimes, even before she knew I
was there), of course, she'd turn around, and I'd just give 'em the biggest smile, and say "hey beautiful,
what's your name?" Here's the weird thing - not once, not EVER, did I get "screw you, that's my name", or any
other sort of rejection. INVARIABLY, I always got a smile back, along with - their name. After that, I'd usually
launch into some bs about "well Darla, let me ask you something, my buddy at the table over there has been looking
at you all night..." -motion to now-terrified looking buddy :rofl: "... and he just won't stop talking about you!
I can't get the guy to shut up! (with feigned annoyance, i.e., the cocky/funny approach, etc.) "Will you PLEASE
just come over and say hi to the guy for me, so we can get on with our night?" Failure rate: 0%. Like I said,
nothing special in the approach - it was all in the execution.
BTW, a totally unintended side affect (this only
worked when I truly didn't give a shit about me, and therefore projected the "I don't give a shit" attitude), was
that, usually, the girls I fetched wound up interested in ME. :twisted: After all, *I* was the one who had the
guts to walk up to them, *I* was the one who projected the right attitude, *I* was the one who initiated friendly,
non-threatening physical contact in-line with the approach, and they recognized that. Of course, if you and your
bar-buddies all learn and practice such a thing together, well then you can shill for each other all night, and
somebody's going to make out ok, for sure.
BTW, for anyone reading this who doesn't already know, almost all
of this stuff can be found on the seduction websites, including the "I am the prize" attitude mentioned above.
Though I am now married with children, I shudder to think of the effectiveness that would be of 'mones combined
with REAL seduction techniques, or if I would have had them available to me when I was younger. And I don't know
about "PUA's don't need 'mones". PUA's don't NEED anything, including women, (because they already have them),
but it seems to me, real winners never deny themselves any possible advantage to win, no matter the endeavor.
TRock
01-21-2005, 10:19 AM
I shudder to think
of the effectiveness that would be of 'mones combined with REAL seduction techniques, or if I would have had them
available to me when I was younger.
8 months in the game with a combo of mones that works for me. i'm a
monster in social cirlce, don't introduce me to your sister, wife, or girlfriend. my cold approach game still needs
work but by this time next year my game should be sicker than cancer patients.
TRock
01-21-2005, 10:36 AM
for anybody that is interested in
being a pua it's all about the INNER GAME. your inner game will create your outter game. internalizing that you are
better than anybody you meet, that you can fuck any chick you want, that you are a guy that walks around with his
dick smacking the sides of his legs goes a long way. being cocky, subcommunicating you are the prize is an effect of
have a good inner game. most celebrities, athletes, and other successful people are naturally cocky. knowing that
you can get any woman you wants makes you naturally cocky.
Gmoney
03-07-2008, 12:05 PM
Old thread I thought I'd bump
as I see alot of the phero newbies running into issues talked about here.
Pendragon
03-07-2008, 04:55 PM
Always a good thing to refresh
on other aspects.
Good points about being totally indifferent to the outcome. One point on going up and talking
to a lady is just say "Hi." and wait for a response. At this point its her call on how to respond. If she's
unfriendly then you might have saved alot of time and frustration right there. Or prod a little fruther with "had a
bad day?" or "are you like this to everyone that tries to be nice to you?" Just don't say it in a mean way. More of
a teasing grin tone.
BGuy20
03-08-2008, 01:19 AM
I agree with EVERYTHING posted
here. I found that I felt better today with a gel pack on, but I think once the confidence/attitude is started,
that's about 90% of the battle won right there.
Guy101
03-08-2008, 02:53 AM
I am really glad that this
subject has been brought up, coz many guys in the forum think that pheromones will perform magic for them, but the
truth is that they help & give you an edge in so many ways. But the main part is the attitude & the best attitude
about a man is his self confidence & being comfortable in his own skin with or without women, with or withour
pheromones.
Pendragon
03-08-2008, 05:48 AM
If someone could come up with
a mix like Matt Damon had in Oceans13 I'm sure we'd all like to know about it. Although that seems quite unlikely
and if you did have something like that...would you really let it out?
:cheers:
idesign
03-09-2008, 07:02 PM
Whether its pheromones or a
pumped-up "inner game", there's no getting around the fact that you are who you are, and the effect of any mone or
method will not last through nine innings.
That is to say, if you want more than a quickie, sooner or later
you'll be seen for who you really are, and have to stand on that.
Then again, it all depends on your
goals.
Not criticizing anyone or any method, just some thoughts....
Geez, I'm getting old.
HornyMan
04-04-2008, 03:51 AM
People on
this board spend a lot of time testing different pheromone ratios, but often not enough time to develop their skills
with women. If you are not capitalizing on the hits you get they are of limited use. Even better – you do not have
to relay on hits at all in order to lay women.
Some time ago I met up with a really good player and
saw him picking up girls with ease in a club. His looks were normal, except that he was dressed really cool. Seeing
him work the club was almost surreal. He could go up to a hot looking girl who was already talking to a guy that
looked much better then him, having the girl totally ignoring the guy she was previously talking to within 30
seconds, and make out with the girl a few minutes later. Basically, before seeing that I did not even think that
things like that were even possible.
Did he succeed with every single girl he approached? No, of
course not. But the thing is – he was totally unfazed no matter what happened, he honestly believed that if a girl
were not interested it was her lost, no matter how much hotter then him she was. His skill came down to 6 parts:
1) Believing that he was the prize in the interaction. No matter how hot the girl was she had to prove to
him that she was cool enough to have a chance with him. The women sensed this and they started to chase after him,
not the other way around.
2) His body language was perfect; he was completely relaxed, laid
back and took up a lot of space.
3) He was touching the women almost as soon as he started talking
with them. Often he laid his hand around the women almost at the same time as he started talking with her. Before
seeing this I would have thought that being this physical this early would have made the women uncomfortable, but
instead they really enjoyed it.
4) If she said or did something that he did not like he would ignore
her (while remaining in the same place) and blatantly check out other girls. Often the girl he was with would then
start to qualify herself to him again, seeking his approval.
5) He would escalate from being in her
personal space, to having his arm around her, to smelling her hair etc with just a little bit of time between each
step. All this while having a casual conversation at the same time about a neutral topic. If she did not approve he
would simply use step 4) until she started to qualify to him again.
6) Almost every single time he
went out he would lay one of the hottest girls in the club. Of course he had to talk to several chicks before this
to find one that was adventures enough and fun enough, to take home. And these were not “stupid party girls” or some
other bullshit excuse guys use it order to feel more comfortable with their own lack on success. No, these were
normal nice women who just happened to look incredibly hot.
Now if a normal looking guy can achieve
this kind off inner strength and skill anyone can. All it takes is to systematically expand your comfort zone and
learn that you, not the hot women you are talking to, are the prize in the interaction. Another key issue is to
understand what success is. Success is not getting a particular girl. Success is to getting the skills so that you
can lay hot women any time you want, without having to relay on luck. The key to achieving success is rejection. The
more rejections you get, the faster you learn. Many guys are fixated with not screwing up when they talk to a hot
woman. I know I was for the longest time. Instead focus on having fun, make it a sport to make fun of hot looking
women when you talk to them. Their reaction is not what is important, what matter is that you enjoy the process of
investigating if the women you talk to is cool enough to have a chance with you.
This is
bullshit.
I know how to drive a porsche, but it doesn't mean I'll ever enter a world championship race and
win.
In theory it looks good but less than 1/1000 of 1 percent of men will be able to carry it
out.
This is all assuming men are in their prime. At 40 or 50 the odds go even further down.
Maybe
this magic layer was tall. Maybe he was suave. Maybe he had nerves of steel. Maybe he was a NATURAL don Juan who
was just looking for the right moves. Maybe he had money, or a nice car. Maybe he had a nice apartment close by.
Maybe this was in a city where people mingle easily. Maybe this , maybe that. But while possible I doubt it's
highly probable.
The right moves can enhance ones luck. So if you can lay a woman once every year or so, you
may be able to pull off 2..
But it won't turn a man into Don Juan Demarco banging a new woman every night.
A man like that is better going to a massage parlour and getting laid and massaged every night by a new woman. Why
even bother with skills? For $100 you can get a bodyslide or even more , and spare yourself and the women of any
emotional havoc :-)
HM
Gmoney
04-04-2008, 04:10 AM
Maybe he was just confident...
theman03
04-07-2008, 08:29 AM
This is
bullshit.
I know how to drive a porsche, but it doesn't mean I'll ever enter a world championship race and
win.
In theory it looks good but less than 1/1000 of 1 percent of men will be able to carry it out.
This is
all assuming men are in their prime. At 40 or 50 the odds go even further down.
Maybe this magic layer was tall.
Maybe he was suave. Maybe he had nerves of steel. Maybe he was a NATURAL don Juan who was just looking for the
right moves. Maybe he had money, or a nice car. Maybe he had a nice apartment close by. Maybe this was in a city
where people mingle easily. Maybe this , maybe that. But while possible I doubt it's highly probable.
The
right moves can enhance ones luck. So if you can lay a woman once every year or so, you may be able to pull off
2..
But it won't turn a man into Don Juan Demarco banging a new woman every night. A man like that is better
going to a massage parlour and getting laid and massaged every night by a new woman. Why even bother with skills?
For $100 you can get a bodyslide or even more , and spare yourself and the women of any emotional havoc
:-)
HM
I have to disagree with you here. Now a days it seems that the domino effect is stronger
than ever and this technique does work well because it is very similar to how I run my social life in the club/bar
scene. Slight differences are that I don't touch as much nor will I ever kiss in a public setting, bar or club.
This weekend, even though its monday, i'm going to focus more on my touch points more than anything else. I
think a touch closer to the lower back instead of closer to the side of the hip when giving a kiss hello will send a
different type of message for myself, as one of a friend to one of a lover.
but then again i could be over
analyzing it because I really don't have trouble getting attention from women. However there is always room for
improvement. =]
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