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Bkflip
01-09-2005, 12:10 AM
I found this on

luvessentials, I wanted to get sum oppinions on it:POKE: :POKE: :POKE:

JUST FOR MEN: Discover the Exact Time

of the Month a Woman Reaches Her Highest Sexual Temperature – or When She's Likely to be Intimate with

You


http://www.luvessentials.com/images/pheromone_dropcap_m.gifen often wonder why they always

seem to be sexually ready while women need to be romanced, wined, dined, and foreplayed before they get in the mood.

Part of the reason, of course, is that women are psychologically hardwired differently from men – and

generally speaking, it does take some time to get a woman to the same level of readiness that men normally

are.

However, there are a few days each month when a woman is *always* biologically able and willing. During

those few days, it has been scientifically proven that women are more driven to actively look for a sexual partner.

Interestingly enough, during those few days, even a woman who's in a committed relationship – a relationship

in which she is sexually active – is most likely to seek a different sexual partner.

Do you know when those

few days occur? It's when a woman is ovulating.

Ovulation is the portion of a woman's monthly menstrual cycle

wherein she's most fertile. It occurs on or about the fifteenth day of a woman's 28-day cycle. It's not only a

woman's prime time to conceive, but also a time when her libido is unusually high. This coincides with the "in

heat" phenomenon in the animal kingdom. The time when the female is reproductively able and willing.

What this

means to you, if you're a man looking for a woman, is that your chances of having a relatively effortless sexual

encounter with a woman is when a woman is ovulating. Unfortunately, that knowledge won't help you much when you

meet a woman for the first time. For instance, you can't simply walk into a singles bar and visually spot women who

are ovulating, can you? If life could only be that simple!

The good news is this: A man's vomeronasal organ

(VNO) in his nasal cavity is able to pick up on the scent of ovulating women. How? Women produce female pheromones

called copulins, which are volatile fatty acids that they produce in their vaginal secretions. Copulin secretions

vary dramatically during various phases of a woman's menstrual cycle. Astrid Jütte, a Vienna University biologist,

was able to prove that males are not only able to smell maximum fertility in women, but their testosterone

levels increased to nearly 150% when they smelled the ovulatory women.

lordcrazyd
01-09-2005, 12:47 AM
interesting post, now all we

need is a tesosterone meter, so we can walk around and see who raises our test the most

SirAngel
01-09-2005, 05:42 AM
Hi hzg0st

Interesting, I

keep notes of when women (that I´m interested in) have there period for various reasons...
Do you count 15 days

from the start, the middle or the end of her menstruation... if you want to find out the time of her peak ovulation?

What I have heard from woman, is that their lust peaks around their menstruation. Some before, some after and some

in the middle of it, which of course is not the time that the woman has her peak ovulation.:think:

BIONIC MAN
01-09-2005, 05:53 AM
sex is about reproduction ,

even some lesbians are attracted to men when ovulation is close.usually they have minor acne breakouts around this

time. i think heavy nones smell good to women around this time and pregnant women are repulsed by none, there

already pregnant:LOL: heavy nones only attract a small audience but these few who go wild usually go the whole nine

yards.imagine heavy noning a gal before ovulation or noning a couple of chicks housing together with menstrual

cycles together with copulins on :frustrate[ pound it man]

Gegogi
01-09-2005, 01:14 PM
Hmm, I've had similar experience

as Sir Angel: many women are the biggest horndogs near or during their period. Personally I don't care for sex

during menstruation, but many women want it more than ever and can be extremely demanding of male wood. It's like

an itch that won't go away...

Hmm, with humans sex is more about pleasure and power. Most folks go to great

lengths to avoid reproduction.

OCP
01-09-2005, 01:23 PM
interesting post,

now all we need is a tesosterone meter, so we can walk around and see who raises our test the

most

How about an ovulation meter that measures the copulins in the air?

Bkflip
01-09-2005, 02:34 PM
How about an ovulation

meter that measures the copulins in the air?I think I ran into one of thows on a website.
I wonder why

luvessentials would supply an artical like that whithout developing some creation to go whith it?:blink:

Watcher
01-10-2005, 02:13 AM
thats already well known

information but thanks for posting it again.

Bkflip
01-11-2005, 04:37 AM
I thought about that...I get most

of my infomation frum google and could find nuthing specificly about that. Are there any websites you can recomend

that deal whith this?

SirAngel
01-11-2005, 04:06 PM
Well it would make sense that

women should be most horny when they are most receptive... but my experience tought me the same as Have Courage. (

But then again..do women have to make sense? These beautiful and wonderful strange creatures):angel:

Watcher
01-16-2005, 04:39 AM
when they really want it they will

go to interesting lengths to get it - when their drives tell them they can but they dont need to ie 3 weeks in a

month they can do it but they arent normally as up front about it.

Scmoo
03-12-2005, 10:10 PM
I am curious, does all this still

apply when women are on the pill? does the pill effect the "horny" times?

Gegogi
03-12-2005, 11:43 PM
"I am curious, does all

this still apply when women are on the pill? does the pill effect the "horny" times?"

The hormonal

disruption caused by the pill throws all that out the window. For some reason I find natural women more sexy than

pill users. I don't even like how pill users smell down there.

Watcher
03-13-2005, 01:37 AM
I have found or at elast suspect

you need higher doses of pheromones to influence women on the pill to wanna get sexual - could explain why some

react not on the pill more readily to OD than those that are ?

James Kohl has posted some research on this

(he sells SOE via LS)

jvkohl
03-13-2005, 08:39 PM
I found this on

luvessentials, I wanted to get sum oppinions on it: ...

The good news is this: A man's vomeronasal organ

(VNO) in his nasal cavity is able to pick up on the scent of ovulating women. How? Women produce female pheromones

called copulins, which are volatile fatty acids that they produce in their vaginal secretions. Copulin secretions

vary dramatically during various phases of a woman's menstrual cycle. Astrid Jütte, a Vienna University biologist,

was able to prove that males are not only able to smell maximum fertility in women, but their testosterone

levels increased to nearly 150% when they smelled the ovulatory women.

The human VNO (vomeronasal

pits) is not required--just as the VNO of other mammals is not required for pheromones to have an effect on hormones

and behavior. Astrid used a copulin formula (also used in SoE/w), --not ovulatory women-- in her study. Bottom line,

poorly written articles like the one mentioned are misrepresentations of facts, and rather

useless.



I have found or at elast suspect you need higher doses of pheromones to influence

women on the pill to wanna get sexual - could explain why some react not on the pill more readily to OD than those

that are ?

James Kohl has posted some research on this (he sells SOE via

LS)

Thanks, Watcher
Many recent posts simply rehash information discussed at length over the past

several years. I respond less frequently because my book (updated edition in 2002) discusses nearly everything in

Forum posts--except for personal experiences, which add perspective. I'm always happy to see new Forum members post

information, but often see them post misinformation. It might be a good idea for some to attempt to somehow validate

the information coming from other domains before posting it to the Forum. This would help ensure the validity of the

Forum--which is currently the only pheromone discussion group that has any validation so far as I'm

concerned.

JVK

Jonathan
03-13-2005, 11:22 PM
I am curious, does

all this still apply when women are on the pill? does the pill effect the "horny" times? Gegogi is exactly

right. I'll give you a little more detailed description.

Primary sex hormones are regulated by an "axis"

that consists of three organs: the hypothalamus (a part of the brain), the pituitary gland, and the gonads. The

hypothalamus is nervous tissue, and has specialized neurons that deliver a neurotransmitter/hormone-like compound

called "gonadotropin releasing hormone", or GnRH. GnRH causes the pituitary to produce "luteinizing hormone" (LH)

and "follicle stimulating hormone" (FSH). In women, FSH stimulates the production of progesterone and stimulates the

follicles to develop and prepare for ovulation. In men, FSH causes the Sertoli cells in the testes to produce sperm.

(Testosterone also has this effect.) In women, LH causes estrogen production and ovulation (among other things). In

men, LH stimulates the Leydig cells in the testes to produce androgens (e.g., testosterone (which in turn stimulates

the Sertoli cells to produce sperm... complicated?)). For men (or, actually, for all individuals who were exposed to

high androgen levels in the womb, as is normal for men and abnormal for women), GnRH, FSH and LH production may vary

on a day-to-day or hour-to-hour basis, but they don't follow a monthly cycle. For women (or those not exposed to

androgens in the womb), the hypothalamus follows a very detailed monthly pattern of GnRH release, which peaks

shortly before ovulation.

For more detail about what I've mentioned so far, go to

http://distance.stcc.edu/AandP/AP/AP2pages/repro

d/female.htm (http://distance.stcc.edu/AandP/AP/AP2pages/reprod/female.htm) and

http://www.fertilityworld.org/content/doc_

630/en/version_1/doc.asp (http://www.fertilityworld.org/content/doc_630/en/version_1/doc.asp) for the female and male systems, respectively. The first article has a really nice

graphic, so I recommend that you take a look at that. You'll notice that women also experience an estrogen peak

right before/during the start of menstruation. That's why they get so horny then, too. Also, you'll notice that

progesterone is pretty low then; AFAIR, progesterone tends to reduce the libido (right?).

Now, here's

where things get really interesting: the primary sex hormones (testosterone, estrogens, and progesterone) all have

negative feedback effects on both the release of GnRH in the hypothalamus and FSH/LH in the pituitary. (Well, except

sometimes (esp. in women) where they can increase GnRH production... but you don't need to know that.) In other

(simple) words, the more estrogen/test/progesterone you have, the less you produce. That's why taking prohormones

and anabolic/androgenic steroids makes your balls shrink. That's also why birth control pills work. See, birth

control pills are basically just pills with a bit of progesterone (and sometimes estrogen, depending on the

manufacturer) in them. When a girl takes them, it causes her hypothalamus to dramatically reduce GnRH production.

Ultimately, though, average overall (estrogen and) progesterone levels aren't diminished--in fact, they're usually

higher in pill users than non-pill users. However, what's important is that they're not nearly as strongly

influenced by the hypothalamus and GnRH, so they're more constant. In short, this means that there's no

estrogen/LH spike immediately before ovulation, and therefore no ovulation. That also means that there's no

horniness, no peak in body temperature, no change in vaginal secretions, and so forth. There would also be no

menstruation if BC pills didn't have a special one-week-per-month set of pills which didn't contain any

progesterone. Some companies/researchers have actually experimented with skipping this phase, giving women several

months of PMS- and tampon-free living.

It should be mentioned that BC pills do a lot more than just inhibit

ovulation. I think that the reduction of hypothalamic GnRH activity leads to a reduction of the innervation of the

hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. The adrenals are where almost all testosterone is produced in females, so a

reduction of that axis would lead to lower testosterone. I think, actually, that all of the aforementioned effects

regarding libido are, ultimately, because of interactions affecting adrenal innervation and testosterone levels.

Also, because BC pills tend to increase progesterone and estrogen levels and decrease testosterone, they tend to

cause improvements in skin tone, reductions in hair oiliness, gains in fat weight, enlargement of the breasts (I bet

you guys are all going to fixate about that one) and hips, increases in water weight, and a bunch of other similar

effects.

But that's just the beginning. BC pills have also been shown to halve the rate at

which women break down caffeine (women usually break down caffeine 25% percent faster than men; nicotine will

approximately double that rate in both men and women). Also, in studies of the attractiveness of people's body oder

and its correlation with MHC similarity

([url="http://ndt.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/9/1269"]http://ndt.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/9/1269[

/url]), both men and non-BC-using women rate individuals with dissimilar MHC as being more attractive/smelling

nicer. However, BC-using women reported the exact opposite: odors of people with similar MHCs smelled the best to

them. (For you female readers: do not shop for a husband while on birth control. If you do, you'll probably

find that when you go off BC, you won't be attracted to him anymore. That would suck.) This (also) means that

BC-using women are more likely to enter into relationships where the amount to which each partner is attracted to

the other is imbalanced.

Anyway.
JVK: Yeah, that's what I remember, too. I remember the

150% testosterone increase study as being related to (synthetic?) copulins in general, whereas the

smelling-the-time-of-the-month study was actual vaginal secretions.

Watcher: I remember reading

on the women's forum that most women (at least, sexyredhead and Elana) absolutely can't stand 'none when they're

menstruating. Also, I think (but I'm less sure about this) that 'none is especially attractive during ovulation.

This is probably related to your observations regarding BC users. I'm not going to speculate right now, though: if

I made this post any longer it would probably impale someone.

Watcher
03-14-2005, 02:55 AM
yes the None to Obvoluation and

periods is one discussed widley - i was more referring to Arone and Anol in terms of more is needed on a personal

level to get a more forthright and effected response than those that i assume aint.