View Full Version : Christmas Unpleasantness & Observations
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 04:09 AM
Much of my time wearing pheromones is trying to understand how to employ androstenone
with differnt
types of people, so I end up wearing it in nearly every social situation.
This Christmas was a good example why
you should be cautious with androstenone in some
situations though.
I was out of state seeing relatives
and friends, which consisted of various young adults,
kids, and seniors, and one particular overweight
sedentiary family and their 16 year old
daughter. Everything was going without a hitch until I decided to dab
two small drops of
AE/M on each side of my neck to see the reactions.
I shouldn't have done
that.
I had met their daughter last Christmas, we got along very well and I was looking forward
to having
a fun time again. Unfortunately, I noticed that whenever I was anywhere near her,
she would would move to the
other side of the house, and although she didn't appear nervous,
she would not under any circumstances, look at
me or talk to me, and did everything
possible to avoid me the entire time, except to threaten me (while unable to
maintain eye
contact) when I was in her spot, and seemed annoyed at my "complaining". Keep in mind, I
was also
dressed in a sweater and cargo pants, I was dressed like Bob Sagat, on top of
that I was wearing Heart by Axe; if
that wasn't enough she had taken three Vicodin because
of her ankle (!), yet it was as if Darth Vader was
standing next to her.
Meanwhile, her mother and brothers (men in their mid 20's, and about 250 lbs) began
acting
strangely. The father began talking about torture methods (half-jokingly and with masked
aggression)
and directing them towards me, ("I'd give you a columbian neck-tie, then..").
Her overweight mother also started
putting me down out of nowhere with passive-aggression,
as if trying to start a fight with me by hurting my
feelings. I had realized my err early on
and was attempting to cut my losses by being warm, cordial, approachable
and
giving smiling responses.
The effect on the alpha-males however was hilarious. My two older brothers,
both alpha males
(and hard core automotive enthusiasts), became overtly friendly. Another family friend,
a
large strapping Texan who was a hunter, was overtly respectful, greeted me warmly and shook
my hand
everytime he entered the house. The passive-aggressive behavior also didn't occur
with my brothers' wives, who
were very friendly, made solid eye contact, completely normal
behavior, except one of them would hug me each time
she entered the house several times a day.
The girl's behavior however began to get strange to the degree my
younger brother was wondering
what was with her, because she stopped talking whenever I came near her. I sulked
and let him
in on what it was I was wearing. He was very interested, but I told him what was happening and
I
wasn't amused at all.
"She's sitting on the couch", I whispered, and he looked at her. "If I sit on the
other couch
and she doesn't get up and move to where they are in under twenty seconds, you owe me $10".
He
nodded. She had already done it half a dozen times. I walked over to where she was and sat
on the ajoining couch;
sure enough in less than 20 seconds... :run:
I looked at him with raised eyebrows.
"Will you be paying
with cash, check, or credit card?". He had a huge shit-eating grin on his
face.
"Holy.."
I really
felt like shit, mind you, and after coming back (after spending several hundred dollars
on the trip) and feeling
so bad about this whole thing, I suppose my only consolation after the
fact is writing this post for others who
enjoy playing dice with androstenone-containing
products. I have used PI/M, AE/M, NPA, SOE, Athena 10X (jury is
still out on that one), and Realm.
Of all these products, my favorite remains Erox's Realm (which I wished I had
been wearing!),
which can be found at any local Eckards or Walgreens for the whopping price of $19.95.
You
would think androstenone would cause alpha-males and females to feel threatened, and
beta-males and females act
more respectful - not the other way around (!). Any comments and
observations are appreciated.
esk6969
01-05-2005, 07:46 AM
Any comments
and
observations are appreciated.
Ok, since you asked....
...if that
wasn't enough she had taken three Vicodin because
of her ankle (!), ...
Ummmm..... I think this
was a MAJOR factor in your negative reactions. Have you ever taken Vicodin? ONE is enough to make someone loopy.
Three?! :eek: I'm surpised she was still upright. This definitely could have been the cause of such a
negative/unpredictable reaction. Remember, this is a biological thing, so reactions will be based upon all factors
in the environment, not just the 'mones.
Based on your post, it sounds like you are younger (since you're
talking about a 16 yo girl). You may already be giving off a lot of 'none, and for you, this may have been an OD
or near-OD application, though I do not think it would be for most people. Enough to intimidate the young, but not
enough to threaten older people, yet enough to elicit respect. These sound more like PI or other pure 'none
reactions, rather than those typical of a mixed product like AE/M. If I were you, I would either cut the dosage, or
mix with another non-none product like SOE or WAGG. But everyone here says to experiment with one product at a
time, so I would probably just go down to one swipe to start with.
One thing I don't understand - since it was
on your neck, and you felt so bad about the reactions, why didn't you just go into the bathroom and wash it off?
At least some soap & water, with a washcloth, would have at least removed some of it, until you could get a proper
shower....
kappakai
01-05-2005, 08:11 AM
Three vicodins... damn, she
should have had a smile just plastered to her face the whole time, unless she had way too much (very possible for a
16 yr. old), at which point all sounds can become very annoying and she could have just been annoyed.
I
agree with Esk, you sound like a younger guy (going for a 16yr. old, I'd hope so actually...) you will most likely
get a negative reaction from a teenage girl with none, either fear or dislike. even though AE is balanced, combined
with your own personal signature, it was probably none-heavy. use less, or use with SOE or WAGG even, but really,
better off not using any at all. her parents were probably annoyed by you; their comments and actions imply they
thought you were disrespectful or insolent, and probably some kind of threat. Personally, I would have run to the
bathroom to wash the AE off at that point...
Gegogi
01-05-2005, 11:24 AM
I avoid big family gatherings on
holidays (but I like my immediate family). It's always unpleasant and a dog and pony show, 'nomes or not. After
all, you're trapped with a bunch of people you have little in common with and probably wouldn't otherwise
associate with.
Mungojerry
01-05-2005, 11:36 AM
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Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 01:25 PM
Ummmm..... I think this
was a MAJOR factor in your negative reactions. Have you ever taken Vicodin? ONE is enough to make someone loopy.
Three?! :eek: I'm surpised she was still upright. This definitely could have been the cause of such a
negative/unpredictable reaction. Remember, this is a biological thing, so reactions will be based upon all factors
in the environment, not just the 'mones.
I was prescribed it once after a dental appointment.
I'd have to totally disagree here, and reading what you wrote, I'd have to ask you if you ever took it
yourself. On Vicodin, (Vicodin contains hydrocodone, a powerful sythetic opiate) people generally lose their
inhibitions and feel... :kiss:
Not:
:LOL:
As for her, she appeared completely normal around
people. Tolerance, obviously.
One thing I don't understand - since it was on your neck, and you
felt so bad about the reactions, why didn't you just go into the bathroom and wash it off?
Near the end
of the day, however I could still smell some on my collar (I brought only one heavy sweater with me).
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 01:37 PM
Although he
may have been doing so, he never actually said he was going for her in a sexual way. He just said he has a fun time
with her last time they met. It is sometimes possible to have fun without having sex, have you played hungry
hippos? :rofl:
:lol:
Yeah just a friendly thing, I wasn't attracted to her, and besides, I'm six
years her senior anyway. But she was very cool the last time I met her.
surfs_up
01-05-2005, 01:48 PM
My experience is that certain psychological problems can become amplified in the presence
of androstenone. A guess as to why this might be : chemical imbalances in the brain are often related to excess
sensitivity to neurotransmitters or excess insensitivity to them. Persons with latent tendencies to "clinical
paranoia" or hyperagression, often coupled with weird social judgements probably a having strong jolts of dopamine
that trigger a cascade of wrong mental functions. There was one study of a notorious Dutch family that was known for
their violence, hair trigger explosive behavior, instability, and general disgusting comportment. It was determined
that they had severly disorded dopamine systems in their brains. In normal humans, dopamine is associated with
arousal, pleasure, and social interaction. In dopamine disturbed types, it is unregulated and leads to highly
antisocial behavior. Chances are excellent that this branch of the family has a genetic tendency to dopamine
saturation (they may not produce the enzyme that breaks dopamine down efficiently) and chemicals that trigger
dopamine release, which pheromones absolutely do (that's the cause of the pleasant social buzz they create) have
perverse effects in a small percentage of the population. This family should consider combined therapy, a small
daily dose of medication and extensive psychological counseling so they can understand where they are coming from
and how this causes them to be perceived by other people. However, also in my experience, too much dopamine (a
really good example of someone on waaay too much dopamine is someone abusing cocaine), is, just as with crackheads,
they tend to be narrow focused, closed minded, overly sensitive to judgments, take things too personally, make
mountains out of molehills, and don't willingly enter therapy out of their own choice.
Bkflip
01-05-2005, 02:00 PM
Mabe you od'd OD had
BO...I guess you learned your lesson...Mabe the 16 year old girl was Horny and shy BECAUSE of the pheromones. and
thats why she mooved away.
Tell me sumthin:POKE: Y didnt you just go to a bar or skool--lots of diffrent people
there---why did you choose to wear them in frunt of your family and old people I kno I dont want a 80 year old woman
humpin my leg, or my mom......16 year old girl yes:lol:
Bkflip
01-05-2005, 02:04 PM
Since the last time u met her
have you wore pheromones???
Have you asked her Y she kept mooving away then??
Surreal
01-05-2005, 02:06 PM
My experience is
that certain psychological problems can become amplified in the presence of androstenone. A guess as to why this
might be : chemical imbalances in the brain are often related to excess sensitivity to neurotransmitters or excess
insensitivity to them. Persons with latent tendencies to "clinical paranoia" or hyperagression, often coupled with
weird social judgements probably a having strong jolts of dopamine that trigger a cascade of wrong mental functions.
There was one study of a notorious Dutch family that was known for their violence, hair trigger explosive behavior,
instability, and general disgusting comportment. It was determined that they had severly disorded dopamine systems
in their brains. In normal humans, dopamine is associated with arousal, pleasure, and social interaction. In
dopamine disturbed types, it is unregulated and leads to highly antisocial behavior. Chances are excellent that this
branch of the family has a genetic tendency to dopamine saturation (they may not produce the enzyme that breaks
dopamine down efficiently) and chemicals that trigger dopamine release, which pheromones absolutely do (that's the
cause of the pleasant social buzz they create) have perverse effects in a small percentage of the population. This
family should consider combined therapy, a small daily dose of medication and extensive psychological counseling so
they can understand where they are coming from and how this causes them to be perceived by other people. However,
also in my experience, too much dopamine (a really good example of someone on waaay too much dopamine is someone
abusing cocaine), is, just as with crackheads, they tend to be narrow focused, closed minded, overly sensitive to
judgments, take things too personally, make mountains out of molehills, and don't willingly enter therapy out of
their own choice.
Insightful. I see where this could be the explanation to the over problem with
hostility.
This is a possiblity......
She was on her period, you ODed due to your natural mones, and her
parents intuitively pick up on this and where on the defense for thier daughters sake. So in other words they saw
you as a preditor wanting to take thier daughter away.
This and surfs_up explaination could very well be near
the inter functions of emotions that night.
belgareth
01-05-2005, 02:12 PM
Mabe u od'd OD
had BO...I guess you learned your lesson...Mabe the 16 year old girl was Horny and shy BECAUSE of the pheromones. N
thts y she mooved away.
Tell me sumthin:POKE: Y didnt you just go to a bar or skool--lots of diffrent ppl
there---Y did you choose to wear them in frunt of YOUR FAMILY and old people I kno I dont want a 80 year old woman
humpin my leg, or my mum......16 year old girl yes:lol:
Please use real English so we can read it without
trying to translate the lingo. The majority here don't speak it.
Bkflip
01-05-2005, 02:24 PM
I "fixed" it, my bad-the
majority of the people on this fourm also do not read the rules:angel: although I try to be kind to people and have
courtesy, isnt that assumed the most often:type: -i just get lazy typing sumtimes:goodpost:
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 06:34 PM
Mabe you od'd
OD had BO...I guess you learned your lesson...Mabe the 16 year old girl was Horny and shy BECAUSE of the pheromones.
and thats why she mooved away.
Tell me sumthin:POKE: Y didnt you just go to a bar or skool--lots of diffrent
people there---why did you choose to wear them in frunt of your family and old people I kno I dont want a 80 year
old woman humpin my leg, or my mom......16 year old girl yes:lol:
Research, of course. Also it is always
amusing watching people get a little odd around you in a submissive manner. Unfortunately I still can't determine
what person will or won't react submissively or aggressively, unless they are clearly alpha-male or female, in
which case they act completely normal or better, so it's always a toss up when I wear it.
The majority of my
experiences wearing androstenone-containing products have been non sexual, (with a few hilarious exceptions).
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 06:47 PM
My experience
is that certain psychological problems can become amplified in the presence of androstenone. A guess as to why this
might be : chemical imbalances in the brain are often related to excess sensitivity to neurotransmitters or excess
insensitivity to them. Persons with latent tendencies to "clinical paranoia" or hyperagression, often coupled with
weird social judgements probably a having strong jolts of dopamine that trigger a cascade of wrong mental functions.
There was one study of a notorious Dutch family that was known for their violence, hair trigger explosive behavior,
instability, and general disgusting comportment. It was determined that they had severly disorded dopamine systems
in their brains. In normal humans, dopamine is associated with arousal, pleasure, and social interaction. In
dopamine disturbed types, it is unregulated and leads to highly antisocial behavior. Chances are excellent that this
branch of the family has a genetic tendency to dopamine saturation (they may not produce the enzyme that breaks
dopamine down efficiently) and chemicals that trigger dopamine release, which pheromones absolutely do (that's the
cause of the pleasant social buzz they create) have perverse effects in a small percentage of the population. This
family should consider combined therapy, a small daily dose of medication and extensive psychological counseling so
they can understand where they are coming from and how this causes them to be perceived by other people. However,
also in my experience, too much dopamine (a really good example of someone on waaay too much dopamine is someone
abusing cocaine), is, just as with crackheads, they tend to be narrow focused, closed minded, overly sensitive to
judgments, take things too personally, make mountains out of molehills, and don't willingly enter therapy out of
their own choice.
Excellent points, all around. I suppose I should have mentioned they were all
born-again Christians. I broke character and literally started twitching when the mother (who studied psychology and
had a 4 year degree in sociology) blabbered the Earth was 10,000 years old, and calmly and in a loving way,
explained to her what a lightyear was, that there were objects in the night sky you could view with a telescope
bought from WAL-MART that were millions of lightyears away from us, and that such was known for well over a hundred
years...
Boy was I on eggshells with her for the rest of the night after that. :lol:
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 07:09 PM
Insightful. I
see where this could be the explanation to the over problem with hostility.
This is a possiblity......
She was on her period, you ODed due to your natural mones, and her parents intuitively pick up on this and where
on the defense for thier daughters sake. So in other words they saw you as a preditor wanting to take thier daughter
away.
This and surfs_up explaination could very well be near the inter functions of emotions that
night.
A good observation I hadn't considered at all. Very possible. As for the parents, weird...
Sir Louis
01-05-2005, 07:17 PM
Mabe you od'd OD had
BO...I guess you learned your lesson...Mabe the 16 year old girl was Horny and shy BECAUSE of the pheromones. and
thats why she mooved away.
Is that possible? I'm of the school of thought that attraction is a
positive magnetism (e.g, my brothers wives), not a negative or aggressive/flight response.
Bkflip
01-05-2005, 07:22 PM
Yea but the pheromones may have
made her shy....she may have not wanted to be around you because she got wobbly/horny when you were there, but thats
just my oppinion. There are girls like that in my skool sumtimes you hear them talking, sumthin like this "he makes
me shy and i blush when im around him."
did you ask her why she was avoiding you?
Gegogi
01-05-2005, 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by
hzg0st
Mabe u od'd OD had BO...I guess you learned your lesson...Mabe the 16 year old girl was Horny and shy
BECAUSE of the pheromones. N thts y she mooved away.
Tell me sumthin Y didnt you just go to a bar or
skool--lots of diffrent ppl there---Y did you choose to wear them in frunt of YOUR FAMILY and old people I kno I
dont want a 80 year old woman humpin my leg, or my mum......16 year old girl yes
Please use real English
so we can read it without trying to translate the lingo. The majority here don't speak it."
That's
not too bad. Maybe he texts his boys on a Sidekick a lot! Although his English quality was distracting--you may have
to think a couple seconds extra--at least I knew what he was writing about. I've read "streams of consciousness"
posts here (e.g., a 500 word sentence with no punctuation or caps) and hadn't a clue what they were attempting to
impart. I suspect text messaging and IM may be to blame for this style of writing. I've received papers from
students with "4" in place of "for" and "U" in place of "you"... :think:
Bkflip
01-05-2005, 08:58 PM
Thats interesting because I just
saw something on the news about the usage of words like lmao,lmfao,lmfao,lm-mfao,lol,rotflmao,jk,brb,bbl,jfk,and
a/s/l well not actualy WORDS nut contractions of them/Apparently kids are using thows words in term papers and
essays and some people want aol to stop aim messages:rasp:....
:goodpost:
Gegogi
01-06-2005, 01:13 AM
Technically, IMAO is an acronym,
not a contraction. Don't and wouldn't are examples of contractions. LOL is in my American Heritage
Dictionary (©2004), but the other acronyms you've listed are not. Funny, BJ an extremely common and oft used
acronym but is only defined as Bachelor of Journalism. And this is in a dictionary that defines app as an
abbreviation of computer application. :type:
Visionary7903
01-06-2005, 11:03 PM
"Everything was going
without a hitch until I decided to dab two small drops of
AE/M on each side of my neck to see the reactions."
I mean this just shows that Androstenone in ANY significant quantities can have negative effects, and not just
'OD' levels. I mean a normal quantity of AE/m is like 3-5 drops and this guy clearly had more than one person
negatively affected. I mean if the guy ODed on Anone because he was young and producing too much None why werent
there negative responses from the family of Alphas?
Sir Louis
01-07-2005, 06:48 AM
"Everything was going without a hitch until I decided to dab two small drops of
AE/M on
each side of my neck to see the reactions."
I mean this just shows that Androstenone in ANY significant
quantities can have negative effects, and not just 'OD' levels. I mean a normal quantity of AE/m is like 3-5 drops
and this guy clearly had more than one person negatively affected. I mean if the guy ODed on Anone because he was
young and producing too much None why werent there negative responses from the family of Alphas?
The two
drops were roughly the size of a ballpoint pen head, spread around the sides of my neck. I didn't use a cover
scent, as A/E contains 'clean' -none and a pleasant masculine fragrance. Remember that A/E contains -nol and
-rone, which Kohl has observed produces a positive male presence when used together. I have used none-only products,
such as NPA and PI/M, over the years and consistently observed this repellant and passive-aggressive behavior in
beta males and females, and submissive and sexual responses in alphas. I wasn't surprised when it happened in this
situation. Estrogen and testosterone levels obviously are a culprit here.
esk6969
01-07-2005, 07:21 AM
I'd have to
totally disagree here, and reading what you wrote, I'd have to ask you if you ever took it yourself.
.
To answer your question, yes, I have taken it (vicodin) myself, several times, also following dental appointments.
Each time, it made me feel "loopy", dizzy, nauseous from the dizziness, to the point where I didn't want to stand
or walk, and I usually used it as an aid to sleep, to get past the bad drug effects, which themselves were to get me
past the pain effects. I can assure you, the LAST thing I felt on vicodin was :wub: . More like :sick: :sick:
:sick: . Remember, everyone reacts in different ways. And each time, these were one-pill dosages. Recall that the
subject in the original post had had 3 of them.
Sir Louis
01-07-2005, 07:42 AM
To answer your
question, yes, I have taken it (vicodin) myself, several times, also following dental appointments. Each time, it
made me feel "loopy", dizzy, nauseous from the dizziness, to the point where I didn't want to stand or walk, and I
usually used it as an aid to sleep, to get past the bad drug effects, which themselves were to get me past the pain
effects. I can assure you, the LAST thing I felt on vicodin was :wub: . More like :sick: :sick: :sick: .
Remember, everyone reacts in different ways. And each time, these were one-pill dosages. Recall that the subject
in the original post had had 3 of them.
Sounds like a textbook allergic reaction to codeine (which
hydrocodone is derived from), which isn't uncommon; your dentist should have asked you if you had previously
taken it or if you were allergic to opioid drugs. Someone who isn't allergic could take four of them on an empty
stomach and experience only mild nausea.
kappakai
01-07-2005, 07:46 AM
I've dabbled in recreational
useage of vicodins. 3 would be a lot for a 16 yr. old girl to handle, ESPECIALLY if she is not a recreational user.
One or two, she would probably feel lovey-dovey. Going on 3 would probably make her nauseous and dizzy. I know when
I get on the higher side of dosages, my ears get very sensitive, such that loud noises bother me a lot as well as
bright lighting. It's possible she just wanted to sit it out and relax on her own, rather than interact with
anyone, including yourself. Opioids can produce a general sense of well-being leading to sociability, but too much
can have the opposite effect, which is what I imagine the 3 did to her.
Sir Louis
01-07-2005, 07:59 AM
I've dabbled
in recreational useage of vicodins. 3 would be a lot for a 16 yr. old girl to handle, ESPECIALLY if she is not a
recreational user. One or two, she would probably feel lovey-dovey. Going on 3 would probably make her nauseous and
dizzy. I know when I get on the higher side of dosages, my ears get very sensitive, such that loud noises bother me
a lot as well as bright lighting. It's possible she just wanted to sit it out and relax on her own, rather than
interact with anyone, including yourself. Opioids can produce a general sense of well-being leading to sociability,
but too much can have the opposite effect, which is what I imagine the 3 did to her.
Well, she had a
cancerous tumor removed from her ankle during the year and is in pain when she isn't popping them. Obviously, being
in pain and taking three of them or more every 24 hours affected her mood; she had that solemn, deadpan look on her
face that acompanies opioid tolerance.
It is a safe bet on that regime she would be very irritable if she
went 12 hours without one and withdrawal set in.
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