View Full Version : Pheromones and Alcohol Pads
bronzie
12-29-2004, 06:25 AM
Has anyone
here ever used alcohol pads for the application of pheromones to the skin??
The type of pads im talking about
are the ones that are used to swap and sterilize the skin before an injection of a needle, I gather these pads are
just made up of 100% ethanol and have no adverse affect/ reaction on the pheromones themselves.
Reason I ask
is because, I have noticed the greater the surface area of skin that gets into contact with mones, the better it is
for an overall effect in the feeling and aura of being immersed in pheros. You leave more of a smelly trail when
smothered in something all over then if just one area has been concentrated with the scent.
I have had
extremely good results with scents that are sold in wipes and gels, and this might be attributed to my theory.
Any take on this theory?
bronzie
12-29-2004, 06:59 AM
bionic, I see your point,
application of pheros in places on the body where there is high heat transfer such as major arteries areas should
aparently be of benefit to pheros being evaporated into the air at a faster rate
perhaps the use of thin 100%
cotton make up remover pads would be the way to go, pheros would be absorbed into the pad and then applied all over
the body evenly
bronzie
12-29-2004, 07:03 AM
bionics i thought i saw your
reply, it disapeared....
bronzie
12-29-2004, 07:15 AM
just to make a simple analogy,
have you ever smelt someone that just jumped out of a shower and had just used a perfumed shower gel? they leave a
pretty distinct long- lingering perfum smell right..? alot more intense then if they had just used a couple of
sprayes of a perfume or cologne
same should apply to pheros, the greater the surface area applied, the
greater the exposure they have to the enviroment
Elvis
12-29-2004, 08:26 AM
the use of thin
100% cotton make up remover pads would be the way to go
The cotton would soak up an awful lot of your
'mones and stay there. Seems a bit wasteful, although I am interested in the idea of Maximum Coverage. Spreading
the 'mones out very thinly, but covering a large skin surface area, in my mind, would create a more consistent
"aura" around you, rather than just the one application point.
I have tried both methods and I must say I do get
better and more consistent results with the "all over" approach. Maybe you could just spray your mones in some water
or cologne or whatever, and cover all over. I'm sure CptKipling pioneered this method.
I think it was last week Bruce said
he was working on getting something similar to those exite(sp)? pheromne wipes
starboy
12-29-2004, 10:19 AM
hey as far as the maximum
coverage is concerned, I read a post on here the other day where I guy mixed his mones with lotion, and then spread
it all over his body. you wouldn't waste any that way, and you'd still get maximum coverage.
SirAngel
12-29-2004, 11:18 AM
Here a nother idea to get a
better coverrage. Say i put two drops of P10 into a small flask (10ml..the only good thing left from trying Athena
10X..was no good) the 2 sprays of my favorite cologne (marc jacobs for men, dolce gabana, A*Men) and a little bit of
Ethanol alcohol. This way you get to spread the mones more...
I eveb thougt about using an empty Soe ball-roller
for this...hmmm
I donĀ“t like the smell of Isopropyl Alcohol, it leaves a certain smell on my skin... I
prefer Ethanol 50%, but thats just me..
My way of
application now : 2 drops of sweet almond oil onto palm (almond oil is non-penetrating into skin),
spray/add -mones into oil mix, stir evenly with fingers and lather onto all sides of neck, remains to the chest.
Slight gloss on neck is ok and not noticeable, not too much like suntan lotion. If you use oil, be sure that it
won't stain your clothes. Do a patch test first.
I will top up with another layer of oil to cover the
-mones as it last longer this way. -Mones raw without cover oil/cologne gives reaction within first 2 hours, after
which it fades.
With cover oil/cologne, -mones dissipation seems to be "smaller" and take longer to
generate responses. If you are in a closed quarters (room, car, sit next to each other) with your targets and
expected to spend some time together, it will work well and last longer IMO.
I got quick responses from as
early as 1 mins to delayed reponses up to 45 mins. Once in a bus, the lady (25yo) was seated next to me, she was
definitely annoyed with my cologne (anise/licorice scent), after 25 mins, she starts to be friendly and keep
glancing & smiling at me. If the mix is right and she breathes, it *will* hit them.
Best response is in the
car and small rooms, never miss! Open areas will require -mones raw without cover, it works that way for me.
H_C
Great post, you are exactly right about everything.
Now I got a question, if you
keep increasing your mone dosage with the oil, have you found that you get effects similar to what you see without
(ie stronger immediate hits)?
BassMan
12-29-2004, 02:35 PM
Has anyone here
ever used alcohol pads for the application of pheromones to the skin??
Any take on this theory?I
wouldn't use the pads - I would think you'd lose a fair amount of rather expensive mones. The alcohol dilution
theory is on track.
If you dig around on Phil Stone's website long enough, you'll find that he suggests mixing
his cologne additive (which is sold here as AFA) so that the none content is between 0.016 and 0.032 mg/ml. I have
been doing this for years with excellent results; it's the primary way I apply mones. You'll need to experiment -
the exact concentration depends on a number of things - the strength of your cologne being the most important. Too
weak and transdermal absorption grabs too much mones; too strong and you will either OD or not have enough scent to
cover. I find that a none concentration 0.020-0.025 usually works for me.
If you are wearing something that is
not primarily none based, your concentrations will differ, but the idea is the same:
For any particular product
- if you know how much of something you normally get good results with, you can dilute it until you have about 1/2
to 2/3 ml volume, which gives you 5-6 sprays, plenty to spread over a large area.
You can use perfumer's
alcohol alone and apply the cologne separately if you'd rather, or if the product is heavily scented.
-Bass
CptKipling
12-29-2004, 06:19 PM
The cotton would
soak up an awful lot of your 'mones and stay there. Seems a bit wasteful, although I am interested in the idea of
Maximum Coverage. Spreading the 'mones out very thinly, but covering a large skin surface area, in my mind, would
create a more consistent "aura" around you, rather than just the one application point.
I have tried both
methods and I must say I do get better and more consistent results with the "all over" approach. Maybe you could
just spray your mones in some water or cologne or whatever, and cover all over. I'm sure CptKipling pioneered this
method.
Yup, the easiest and cheapest way to cover a large surface area. And because it's water, it
avoids any additional transdermal uptake. I have long believe that spreading out your pheromonesis the best way to
go (although it can be useful to have "hotspots" of high concentration); I guess because it's more natural on your
skin.
As BM says, diluting your products/mixes can be very benificial; even TE is too concentrated for some
situations for me.
bronzie
12-30-2004, 03:51 AM
All you guys seem to be in the
know, and I will try a variety of the methods you mentioned.
Before I got into Pheromones as a scent to
attract, I was very into Aromatherapy, I haven?t used my oils in a couple of years, but reached out for my
aromatherapy oils after a couple of you guys suggested using almond oil as a binder to pheros, well, I know for a
fact Jacoba oil is used widely as an excellent binder to all different types of aromatheray oils, and I don?t see
why it couldn?t be used as Pheromone binder/spreader.
In fact Jojoba oil is not oil at all, but a type of wax
and thus seals the skin, therefore creating like a buffer between the skin and the pheros.
Thanks guys!
CptKipling
12-30-2004, 09:32 AM
When I heard almond mentioned,
I thought jojoba would be a better alternative. Give it a shot :thumbsup:
bronzie
12-31-2004, 03:32 AM
Yeah Jojoba oil does absorb into
the skin, as do most oils, however because jojoba oil is actually a wax and has the consistency and properties of a
wax, it might have an effect of trapping the pheromones and not allowing them to spread into the enviroment, think
of a aged cheese dipped in wax, its pretty insulated from the enviroment
i used jojoba oil with pheros
yesterday, no hits, will try again, but will also try with almond oil
jojoba oil may be too thick for the
delicate aroma/chemicals of pheromones
as i understand pheromones need to applied all over, but they need to
also breath and not be clogged down with other substances
i suppose experimentation is the way to go,
everyone has a different skin type and composition, so what works for some one will not work for another
Bronzie, did you let the jojoba oil
dry first?
CptKipling
12-31-2004, 08:36 AM
Will jojoba
oil be absorbed into the skin when applied? I managed to find 1 shop in the mall, they have only 1 bottle, it's
also more expensive that almond oil.
H_C
Order some from aromatherapy shops, online if need be.
If
you apply your pheros with jojoba, because when it dries down it mimics the sebum (waxy layer on your skin),
the pheros will be trapped on the suface of your skin almost like they would be normally be. If you applied an
alcohol based product after it had dried down, I think it's likely that it would dissolve the waxy layer and defeat
the object.
To extend
the life of -mones (oil/alcohol based products when dried) on the base layer, apply another layer of jojoba or
almond oil as top layer, which sort of insulates the -mones from extreme exposure (sweat, heat, strong winds etc).
If sweat, heat isn't a problem, don't do this last step though.
bronzie
01-01-2005, 04:34 AM
bjf, no i didnt let the jojoba
oil dry, i actually combined the pheros and the oil on the palm of my hand and then spread the oil/phero combo all
over me
why would i let the oil dry first? that would defeat the purpose of getting a thicker mixture so it
can be spread more evenly and with greater consistancy over a greater part of the body
maybe im missing
something here, should i let the oil dry down first then apply the pheros?
can you overdose on Nol?
bjf, no i didnt let
the jojoba oil dry, i actually combined the pheros and the oil on the palm of my hand and then spread the oil/phero
combo all over me
why would i let the oil dry first? that would defeat the purpose of getting a thicker
mixture so it can be spread more evenly and with greater consistancy over a greater part of the body
maybe im
missing something here, should i let the oil dry down first then apply the pheros?
can you overdose on
Nol?
What's up bronzie. Yes, it will enable you to spread it out more, but you are best using cpt's
method of mixing with water to spread.
Oils absorb more so into the skin than water. In doing what you did,
more pheromones got absorbed.
The key to phero effectiveness is delivering the pheromone molecules into
the air. If they are not there, targets will have a harder time sniffing them.
Which is why it is
suggested to layer with the oil first, let it dry, and then apply the pheromones on top. By layering with the oil
first, it will create kind of a sealant, making it tougher for your pheromone application (which contains alcohols
that promote absorption) from penetrating into the skin.
If you are in a hot environment, where you sweat
away your mone applications quickly, then it was suggested you put a layer of oil on top of that to sandwhich it in
and create a slow, but not as strong release of pheromones into the air.
SirAngel
01-01-2005, 12:31 PM
What's up bronzie.
Yes, it will enable you to spread it out more, but you are best using cpt's method of mixing with water to
spread.
Oils absorb more so into the skin than water. In doing what you did, more pheromones got absorbed.
The key to phero effectiveness is delivering the pheromone molecules into the air. If they are not there,
targets will have a harder time sniffing them.
Which is why it is suggested to layer with the oil first, let it
dry, and then apply the pheromones on top. By layering with the oil first, it will create kind of a sealant, making
it tougher for your pheromone application (which contains alcohols that promote absorption) from penetrating into
the skin.
If you are in a hot environment, where you sweat away your mone applications quickly, then it was
suggested you put a layer of oil on top of that to sandwhich it in and create a slow, but not as strong release of
pheromones into the air.
I believe to have read something ages ago, that it could be crutial that some
of the mones absorbed in your skin in order to blend with your own mone-signature...any comments from the Doc?
I believe to have
read something ages ago, that it could be crutial that some of the mones absorbed in your skin in order to blend
with your own mone-signature...any comments from the Doc?
some are always going to be absorbed
into your skin, but as far as what you were saying, the only crucial think is that the pheromone molecules
can get into the targets nostrils, and that they have the ability to localize the source of the output of those
molecules.
SirAngel
01-01-2005, 12:55 PM
some are always
going to be absorbed into your skin, but as far as what you were saying, the only crucial think is that the
pheromone molecules can get into the targets nostrils, and that they have the ability to localize the source of the
output of those molecules.Make sense...though I like the thought of boosting my own hormone signature to
attract a female (in the long run), that fits my genetic code in order to get along with realy well and to produce
strong healthy children, rather than a woman that is attacted to a smell I just put on...
But than again I would
slap goatdung on my neck if it would attract hotties..(which is more than unlikely):lol:
You could take supplements that will
raise your hormone levels, but obiviously you have to worry about side effects when you get into that
area.
Pheromones on the other hand are safe.
eric_pelletier_tw
01-01-2005, 01:24 PM
Hey there i hear lots of folks talking about sandalwood, jojoba &
other scent i was just wondering if you wouldnt mind sharing some info on where to get them,prices, other stuff &
most of all what you think of them in combo with mones...
SirAngel
01-01-2005, 04:41 PM
It maid be the right time for a
new oil thread,yes?
belgareth
01-01-2005, 04:47 PM
No, it isn't. Keep it all
together rather than creating a bunch of scattered threads on the same topic all over the forum.
SirAngel
01-01-2005, 06:13 PM
...said the wolf. ;-)
bronzie
01-02-2005, 04:43 AM
bjf, I see your point, but the
oil will take some time to dry down before u can apply pheros, there must be a better way?
What I have
realized is that pheros do not last long, at least in my climate, it?s quite humid here in the summer
months
Therefore, I believe applying pheros constantly during the day or night is probably the most effective
method, nol products are probably better for this because as far as I understand its harder to overdose on
Nol
None is actually quite potent, ive had girls literally walk away from me holding their noses when I have
put on too much none, therefore it probably makes sense that none is the first product you wear before you go out,
and then slowly top up with a nol product as the day/night moves along?. This method worked for me a few nights
ago
bronzie
01-02-2005, 06:09 AM
Has anyone here tried Paraffin
as a base for pheromones? a friend of mine who is a chemist once told me Paraffin is basically a polymer product,
long chain polymer, short chain is oil and petroleum as I recall,
Anyway, what I?m getting at is the stuff
doesn?t actually get absorbed into the skin very quickly it might be a good product to apply pheros too, and a
simple search on the net will clearly show that the Paraffin is actually used as a Wax and has the same effect on
the skin
The most famous Paraffin based product is the inexpensive NIVEA skin care, actually my friend told
me that it?s so simple to manufacture Nivea, that High School Students do it in the school laboratory with
ease.
I failed to mention in my other post (2 very strong hits with this formula) , that I used Nivea all
over even before I used Jojoba oil as a base for my pheros
Ive used Nivea in the past for many years without
pheromones, and ive had comments by many girls that I have a nice skin glow
Has anyone here tried a Paraffin
based product like Nivea?
bjf, I see your point,
but the oil will take some time to dry down before u can apply pheros, there must be a better way?
What I
have realized is that pheros do not last long, at least in my climate, it?s quite humid here in the summer
months
Therefore, I believe applying pheros constantly during the day or night is probably the most effective
method, nol products are probably better for this because as far as I understand its harder to overdose on
Nol
None is actually quite potent, ive had girls literally walk away from me holding their noses when I have
put on too much none, therefore it probably makes sense that none is the first product you wear before you go out,
and then slowly top up with a nol product as the day/night moves along?. This method worked for me a few nights
ago
BDC Concepts may sell there cologne/pheromone extender here, which they mix with the pheromones
in perception to make them last all day.
belgareth
01-02-2005, 08:13 AM
Has anyone here
tried Paraffin as a base for pheromones? Paraffin is a petroleum wax and for many years was considered a
waste product of the refining process, much like petrolium jelly (vaseline). It is used in place of beeswax in many
lotion products as well as for making less expensive candles. In lotions it is used with an oil, water and an
emulsifyer to create the lotion. I can't say if it is good or bad to use petrolium products on your skin but
ingesting even small amounts can be very bad for you. Jojoba oil is a plant wax with a low melting point. It can be
taken internally with the worst side effect a loosening of the bowells.
In effect, when you apply Nivea then
jojoba you are simply layering one wax over the other.
InternationalPlayboy
01-02-2005, 09:45 AM
Hey there i hear lots of folks talking about sandalwood, jojoba & other scent i was just
wondering if you wouldnt mind sharing some info on where to get them,prices, other stuff & most of all what you
think of them in combo with mones...
First of all jojoba is not a scent, but a carrier oil. Actually,
it's not an oil at all, but a wax that, IIRC, closely resembles the fat on the skin. (Someone correct me there if
I'm wrong.) It's good stuff but a bit expensive and sometimes hard to find. Though they grow jojoba bushes about
40 miles away from where I live, it is hard to find locally. I like it for mixing with essential oils as it doesn't
go rancid like a true vegetable oil will.
As for finding these products and their price, there are several
internet sites that sell essential oils and jojoba oil. In your own area, check out health food and herb stores,
salons that offer aromatherapy services, and I've even seen essential oils at Bath and Body Works. Just make sure
that you get pure essential oils as the synthetics don't have the same qualities that the pure oils do.
I
think it's a matter of personal preference as for what to buy. A lot of places that sell these oils have sample
vials so you can smell the oil before you buy. Some oils, including pure Sandalwood oil, can be a bit
expensive.
There are many books out on aromatherapy. I like to refrence Scott Cunningham's "Magical
Aromatherapy" a lot to see what the mystical quality to an oil or herb is.
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