tongkat ali - seems to increase pheromone production

[BassMan]

Interesting powerpoint presentation on the testing of a rainforest herb, tongkat ali:



http://www.testingtongkatali.com/testosterone.ppt



-Bass

[BIONIC MAN]

according to clinical

research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming themselves

to obtain a female partner.:whip:

[BassMan]

according to

clinical research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming

themselves to obtain a female partner.:whip:
Interesting. How did they harm themselves?

-Bass

[burgerama1960]

I have taken tongkat ali

for a couple of weeks now. It works! For libido anyway. Check out

www.yohimbe.org (http://www.yohimbe.org) it really is a good read. Scroll down the page and on the left

side there is some good info on tongkat ali.

[burgerama1960]

It worked for me the first

day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi wood all the time.

The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about an hour to an hour

and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is the quality of the

ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are taking the right

amount.

[BassMan]

It worked for

me the first day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi wood

all the time. The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about an

hour to an hour and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is the

quality of the ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are

taking the right amount.Where are you getting yours?

-Bass

[kappakai]

Are there any related

side-effects, or issues, with using tongkat ali? Is there a tolerance buildup, etc?

[p171]

Its supposed to enhance one's

health in general (in addition to its libido boosting properties) and i don't think there are any side effects

associated with the consumption of such a drink with the exception of it being heaty. True to Have_Courage's

ordeal, it really does taste unpleasant.

[ismellgood]

Medline has a couple

papers.
Two pushing the

stuff:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10803359


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11693547


And one mentioning toxic contaminants in some

samples:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=129480

85

[MOBLEYC57]

It worked

for me the first day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi

wood all the time. The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about

an hour to an hour and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is

the quality of the ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are

taking the right amount.

Where are you getting yours?

-Bass
Helloooooooo,

Burger ??????????? :think:

I'd like to play. Is Burger the only test rat using this product?

[DrSmellThis]

interesting stuff...

[MOBLEYC57]

interesting

stuff...
Doc, you're using? Is that a VOODOO WOODY interesting stuff, or a DST intellectual

reading interesting stuff? :think:

Annnd, as Bass asked Burger, if you're using, where are you getting

your fix? :blink:

Always a pleasure ... thanks! :thumbsup:

[DrSmellThis]

Never tried it, unless maybe

in combo with other stuff in other supplements. But sounds promising.

[oscar]

Gents,

There was a thread about

this about a year and a half back in the Health Forum.
It was posted by one of this forum's leading aficionados

in the field of Aphrodisia.

Whitehall's

Longjack Thread (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7763&goto=nextoldest)

Oscar :)

[MOBLEYC57]

Gents,

There

was a thread about this about a year and a half back in the Health Forum.
It was posted by one of this forum's

leading aficionados in the field of Aphrodisia.



Whitehall's Longjack Thread (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7763&goto=nextoldest)



Oscar :)
Thanks, Oscar! :thumbsup:

Sounds like two different products, reading Whitehall's

findings, and then Burger's.

Hope that's not the reason Whitehall has not been around. :think:

[DrSmellThis]

Thanks, Oscar. Maybe I'll

snoop around a bit.

[nonscents]

I started today with 2 capsules

of LJ100 in the morning. Dr. Ray Sahelian says that one of the side effects is insomnia so I'll only take it in the

morning.

There are also supposedly antihistamine side effects. That would be a positive unintended

consequence for me.

Also, some of the websites claim tongkat ali, aka longjack, aka Eurycoma longifolia raise

pheromone levels. The refer to the pheromones an-a and an-b, (an-alpha and an-beta). Anyone know what these are?



Here's the pheromone reference:
http://www.herbal-powers.com/bodbuilfitre.html

[MOBLEYC57]

I'd still like to know where

Burgerama got his product since it worked for him, which takes away the YOU GOT GYPT factor. :blink:

Where you

get yours, Nonscents? Please keep the 40+ group informed on your findings.

Thanks!:cheers:

[nonscents]

Mobes,

I got mine here:


http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10expow.html

Another site of interest is:


http://www.tongkatali.org/index.htm
but they require larger purchases and I didn't want to risk it

until I tried it out first.

They are in Aceh province in Indonesia, site of long-running rebellion and recent

tsunami.

[MOBLEYC57]

Mobes,

I

got mine

here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10e

xpow.html (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10expow.html)

Another site of interest

is:
http://www.tongkatali.org/index.htm
but they require larger

purchases and I didn't want to risk it until I tried it out first.

They are in Aceh province in Indonesia, site

of long-running rebellion and recent tsunami.
Thanks, Noscents! Did you feel anything after your first

dose? :blink:

[nonscents]

Yesterday I

took two capsules.

I had had sex in the morning before I took the capsules and didn't have sex after I took

them.

When I went to bed last night I had noticed no effects that day.

But my sleep last night was very

poor. I was up a good part of the night and during the other times my sleep was very shallow. I got out of bed early

this morning and I do not feel rested at all.

I am sure the insomnia is a side effect of the LJ100. Dr. Ray

Sahelian mentions this on the site where he sells the stuff.

I also had an upset stomach this morning. I can't

say with any certainty whether this is an LJ100 effect or not.

My interim conclusion is that LJ100 is not for

me.

In a couple of weeks I will try to take 1 capsule in the morning instead of the 2 capsules I took

yesterday.

If I am not getting enough rest I am not going to be improving my weight lifting and I am not going

to be having better sex.

[BIONIC MAN]

Interesting.

How did they harm themselves?

-Bass a clinical test was performed with two cages with a tunnel

between them. an electrified tunnel then a female rat in heat was placed in one and a castrated male rat in another.

but this rat was fed tongkat ali, well he bared the electrical shocks to reach his partner. check out muscle jack by

body building supplements the first natural prohormone product. :LOL: if your adding all the test boosters out there

your horny mone signal should be very loud.:run:

[MOBLEYC57]

Yesterday I

took two capsules.

I had had sex in the morning before I took the capsules and didn't have sex after I took

them.

When I went to bed last night I had noticed no effects that day.

But my sleep last night was very

poor. I was up a good part of the night and during the other times my sleep was very shallow. I got out of bed early

this morning and I do not feel rested at all.

I am sure the insomnia is a side effect of the LJ100. Dr. Ray

Sahelian mentions this on the site where he sells the stuff.

I also had an upset stomach this morning. I can't

say with any certainty whether this is an LJ100 effect or not.

My interim conclusion is that LJ100 is not for

me.

In a couple of weeks I will try to take 1 capsule in the morning instead of the 2 capsules I took yesterday.



If I am not getting enough rest I am not going to be improving my weight lifting and I am not going to be

having better sex.What's your body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:

Would anyone

know if that would make a difference ... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:



Thanks!

[BIONIC MAN]

What's your

body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:

Would anyone know if that would make a difference

... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:

Thanks! ANYBODY over 200 pds

could double dose safely:cheers:

[nonscents]

What's your

body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:

Would anyone know if that would make a difference

... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:

Thanks!
I am 5'10" tall

and weigh 171 lbs. I have very little body fat.

By the way, the producers of LJ100 emailed me and told me to

return the product and they would refund it. I've returned my bottle and I am waiting for the refund.

[SEA Agent]

I am 5'10"

tall and weigh 171 lbs. I have very little body fat.

By the way, the producers of LJ100 emailed me and told me

to return the product and they would refund it. I've returned my bottle and I am waiting for the refund.


Here in South East Asia region...Tongkat Ali is plentiful and taken without any side effect, we have energy drinks

to coffee with Tongkat Ali. I personally like to take the tradisionally prepared versions that are prepared in

villages here. It is made of 100% original roots without and perservatives.

What it does is improves blood

circulation and hence this will also help in the power in the reproductive organs.. My experience with it is that it

help me with my back pain that I was having before. It was not a overnight improvement by after taking for a month

or so. My dosage is 2 capsules before bed.

I have stop taken it as I have problem getting tradisional prepared

ones here in the big city. Everytime someone goes to the Langkawi Island..I'm sure to order a few bottles from

them. I'm sorry to here that some people overseas have a side effects but this might be due to the diet/food

between the regions.

[bigstud1105]

Try taking Tongkat Ali minus

the alcohol... and this stuff is not to be taken before bed (except when you need them as bosters to an immanent

sexual endower) otherwise this stuff is designed to put you on an 'alert' mode all day.

[Slinger]

I once took a yohimbe product (it

had some other stuff in it) to see if me and this woman I'm seeing could go "all night" (we usually only go for 5

hours or so until I run out of steam or she runs out of juices, sorry to be vulgar) but all it did was make me

flushed and sweaty, and the sweat had a strange, pervasive odour which wasn't particularly disgusting, but

certainly not pleasant. I would recommend that everyone stay away from anything containing Yohimbe. There are

heart-health risks to taking it as well.

Now, Tongkat Ali, I want to try some of this stuff. What's the

best place to get a 50:1 mix?

Slinger

[BIONIC MAN]

heres my bionic horny mix,

tongkat ali,l-arginine,zma,maca,dhea,tribbulus terrestis,yohimbe,and copulins under snout:lol: horny goat weed:rofl:

my test is like when i was 18:sick:

[bigstud1105]

You may try this site Slinger:

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html

(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian

version at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)

However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:

http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.

[MOBLEYC57]

You may try this site Slinger:

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html

(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version

at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)

However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:

http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
BigStud, do you have any experience with

Tongkat, or work for the company? If you have any experience, I would appreciate your thoughts as well. Gotta get

prepared, Cialis, Viagra, or Tongkat Ali? :blink:

Thanks!:thumbsup:

[bigstud1105]

Had plenty of experience with this stuff… taken raw is for the experienced dude only since they are

outright bitter and acrid. Traditionally used as a means to keep away mosquitoes that transmits diseases such as

malaria, yellow fever, and dengue. (the only people in Malaysia that are prone to this sort of disease are the city

dwellers who possibly fed on junk foods) the rural folks are poor and lives in mosquitoes infested zones thus,

Tongkat Ali has been the life saver indeed. Tongkat Ali comes in various grades namely the lowest and cheaper one

possibly taken from its bark and stem whereas the purest quality harvest deep down at its roots from a specifically

matured tree is the one that will stay at par with Viagra. To be sure that you get the correct dose from the

approved brewer, I proposed the one from the Malaysian website and no Im no worker but just a devotee.

[MOBLEYC57]

BigStud, my woody is quite

usable, BUT, my ego would love for it to be woodier. Can your experience with the product tell me if TA would make

my woody woodier? :blink:

Annnd, how old are you, your body measurements (height/weight), and the dosage of TA

you took, if I may? :blink:

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[bigstud1105]

Well MOBLEYC57,

I'm 56 and had no problem ‘just yet’ with my woody. However, the Chinese belief to stabilize a misbehaved piece of

wood, their sinsei or medicine man suggests using a specially made latex ring at the root of the wood in the hope

that it would act as a check-valve during intercourse thus regulating flow of blood to and from the wood. Please

MOBLEYC57, not to do away with that ego as they are the official work order so to speak whlist TA is the booster. TA

(the special blend known as Tongkat Ali Hitam) is soley dedicated to improve or cure your misery of loosing

hydraulics when we really need them. Good Luck.

[Slinger]

Just ordered some Tongkat, LJ100

formula from http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I bought the 10g powder package.

This

seemed the most "reputable" source, as I have read guys' very pleased reports on this 100:1 extract. Worst that

happens is I wasted $45, but for some reason from the things I've read I have some high hopes for this

stuff.

I will definitely tell you guys how it works out!

Slinger

[MOBLEYC57]

Just ordered some

Tongkat, LJ100 formula from

http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I bought the 10g

powder package.

This seemed the most "reputable" source, as I have read guys' very pleased reports on this

100:1 extract. Worst that happens is I wasted $45, but for some reason from the things I've read I have some high

hopes for this stuff.

I will definitely tell you guys how it works out!

Slinger
What are your body

measurements, and how old are you Slinger, if I may? :think:

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Slinger]

22, 5' 9", 185 pounds, lean. I

work out often and I never use any prohormones or any of that kind of shit, so I could use the natural Testosterone

boost, and if my sex life improves then that's certainly a plus! (nothing wrong with it now, but did you ever get

the urge to put a supercharger on that hot rod? LOL)

Slinger

[bigstud1105]

Well Slinger,

being 22 and lean, think that a 100:1 extraction maybe a bit too high for you unless you are on some heavy duty

tasks. For your age I imagine the 50:1 extract would be more than adequate. However, trust me with the mixture you

have just acquired I am sure you will have countless hours of feeling sturdy be it in bed or otherwise with just a

single dose. Gud luck pal.

[DCW]

Anyone ever tried STAMINA-RX, the

young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that her boyfriend

uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.

DCW

[waynehere67]

I've tried it before......

a friend of mine told me about it!! The stuff really works! I took 2 of them ( way too much for me-38yoa). I

should've taken just 1. I practicly stayed up all night and I was real restless (with 2 )........Haven't tried it

again.

[MOBLEYC57]

Anyone ever tried

STAMINA-RX, the young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that

her boyfriend uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.

DCWI got some and

gave it to a friend (test run), and he said that his girl said that he bit her while doing her, but he didn't

remember it. Sounds like it makes you very aggressive under the sheets. I didn't use it because of his report ...

ain't no tellin' what I might do!:whip:

Slinger, how much comes in that $45 bottle (how many pills per

dosages/how many pills per bottle)?

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[DrSmellThis]

Anyone ever tried

STAMINA-RX, the young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that

her boyfriend uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.

DCWDo a search in

Health section. WARNING. Stuff almost killed me. Never again.

[Slinger]

Slinger, how

much comes in that $45 bottle (how many pills per dosages/how many pills per bottle)?

Thanks!

:thumbsup:

I got the 10g packet. $39.95 + shipping = $45

However, unless money is really

tight with you, I would strongly recommend you get the capsule form, which is 60 pills @ 50mg per pill (total of 3g

of Tongkat), also costs $39.95. Reason is that this stuff is BITTER!!! I've been taking 150mg for the second day

now and each time I've taken this stuff the aawfully bitter taste has stuck in my mouth making me want to vomit.

Eat some hot soup, it will help remove the taste from your mouth. BLECH!

But, this stuff works DAMN good, I

could definitely tell my energy levels, pump levels, thermogenesis, and recovery time was improved. That was day 1.

I have no report yet as to the sexual effects.

Slinger

[bigstud1105]

DCW, I dont think the

Stamina Rx mentioned contains Tongkat Ali as one of its ingredient, you may browse at this web site

http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/stamina.html and learn

more about this badly combined drug there. for your info Stamina RX contains Yohimbe. Indications says Do not use

Stamina RX if you are at risk or are being treated for high blood pressure, kidney, thyroid, or psychiatric disease,

anxiety, depression, seizure disorder or stroke. Consult your physician before using Stamina RX if you are taking

MAO inhibitors or any other prescription. Stamina RX is not for children under the age of 18.
Please consult your

physician before taking Stamina RX. This product or these statements have not been evaluated by The United States

Food and Drug Administration. Stamina-Rx also contains: Yohimbe 8% Extract - increases blood flow to the penis and

dramatically increases libido. Stamina-Rx contains the highest percentage of yohimble hcl in the world.

Epimedium/Horney Goat Weed - increases the sex drive as effectively as any compound known to science. Stamina-Rx

uses a 20:1 extract, 5 times stronger than the competition! L-Arginine - increases natural production of nitric

oxide, leading to a more rigid erection.
Gamma Amino Butyric Acid - increases dopamine levels, igniting a euphoric

feeling and increasing sensations during orgasm.
Notes:
Stamina RX contains 2 components not found anywhere else

in America:
1) Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa, which induces smooth muscle relaxation, allowing for maximum arterial

dilation and increased bloodflow 2) Cnidium Monnier, which increases nitric oxide release and inhibits PDE-5,

allowing erections to be sustained for longer periods of time.

I recommend that you stay away from STAMINA RX

period.

[bigstud1105]

Glad to know that TA works

well with you slinger. I am pretty sure day two will be more torrid. Let me know how it turns out in bed with your

partner. however, i still recommends the capsules verity rather than taking them raw into the mouth.

[Slinger]

I got a way around that, LOL. I

just popped open some herbal capsules of something I'm not using anymore (the label was gone and I'm not even sure

what it is) dumping the stuff out, and using the 100mg scoop provided with the raw powder and using a tiny makeshift

paper funnel to load the capsules up with Tongkat, and close them back up :D No foul bitter taste,

woohoo!

Slinger

[StrikerWolf8]

<>Ah, yohimbe. I remember

finding out about that stuff when I initially started on medication for ADD (attention deficit disorder). I was

wary about being medicated, and after immense amount of personal research, several blood tests, and meetings with

psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, and physicians I agreed to try medication on a trial basis. I still kept

extensive notes the effects over a couple months to understand how it was affecting me.

Yohimbe was a name I

came across about a month after I started the medication. I had noticed that the medication literally seemed to be

enlarging my penis (and yes, I charted this carefully over the following two months to make sure I wasn't just

imagining things). Now, Adderall – the medication prescribed to me for ADD – is the commercial name for a

dextro-amphetamine salt mixture. Further research into the matter allowed me to conclude that amphetamines have

androgenic (masculinizing) effects. I was unable, however, to discover the mechanism for this despite deep diving

into PubMed and browsing the university’s online journal collection (most of their stuff was concerning

addiction).

My curiosity did not wane, and in my search for understanding. I came upon the herb yohimbe, which

also contains amphetamine class compounds. After some searching on the internet to check uses, it was obvious to me

why the herb is a prime component of penis and sexual performance enhancement pills. It is simply due to the

androgenic effects of the amphetamine class compounds.

Overall, I would suggest extreme caution if you decide

to try these compounds. There are a number of health warnings on my medication bottle covering stuff to avoid, and

secondly we still don't know all of the effects of herbal supplement. A bad reaction could literally kill you

(most often it seems through a radical change in blood pressure).

[MOBLEYC57]

Glad to know

that TA works well with you slinger. I am pretty sure day two will be more torrid. Let me know how it turns out in

bed with your partner. however, i still recommends the capsules verity rather than taking them raw into the

mouth.For some reason, I'm lost! :rant: If you get a minute, could you please find the capsules, and post

that link?

Do you know how many servings are in each bottle (capsules)? I'm sure I missed it, but I looked for

a while. :think:

Thanks! :wave:

[bigstud1105]

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html

(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version

at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)

However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:

http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.



http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/

[MOBLEYC57]

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html

(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version

at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)

However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:

http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
Thanks, BS! :wave:

[MOBLEYC57]

BigStud, those links are all

from outside of the U.S. Would you look at these link posted by Slinger, and give me your advice as to which you

would buy for a test run, OR do you have any other U.S. companies in your black book, so that I won't have to wait

a month to receive the product? :think:



http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/produ

cts.php?id=1 (http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/products.php?id=1)

Thanks again! :wave:

[bigstud1105]

Mobley, The site posted by

Slinger is considered reliable to me and from the link posted by slinger...

http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I proposed item #1

and if you so wished you may suppliment it with item #4 too for that extra punch.

[Slinger]

Mobley, that link I posted, I

ordered my product, selected Priority Mail, and received my order in 2 business days. I call that good

service.

Slinger

[MOBLEYC57]

Mobley, The

site posted by Slinger is considered reliable to me and from the link posted by slinger...

http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I proposed item #1

and if you so wished you may suppliment it with item #4 too for that extra punch.
BigS, aren't they

pretty much the same thing, or are you saying with #4, I get extra Tongkat? :think: What do you think are the

benefits of using both? :blink:

Thanks Slinger! :wave:

[traderneil]

To save the forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a

good health food store and pick up a package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of

male products and Tongat-ali is listed as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you

that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats

Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it

works.. You can also order it on line from the Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck>

Traderneil Las Vegas

[MOBLEYC57]

To save the

forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a good health food store and pick up a

package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of male products and Tongat-ali is listed

as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants

sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special

for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it works.. You can also order it on line from the

Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck> Traderneil Las Vegas
Traderneil,

have you tried Hot Plants, and does it work? :blink:

[BIONIC MAN]

To save the

forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a good health food store and pick up a

package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of male products and Tongat-ali is listed

as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants

sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special

for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it works.. You can also order it on line from the

Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck> Traderneil Las Vegas doctors trust.com

has hot plants,tongkat ali,yohimbe,tribbulus, and lots of horny mixes pro-lab makes horny goat weed complex.but you

need some wagg-n so you have a partner willing blonde 36 c preferable :lol:

[bigstud1105]

Why not Mobley #4 is claimed

to have come from a fully matured TA roots... it help boosts your endurance factor... excellent for any dude above

40 who needs that extra power!

[traderneil]

:kiss: I haven't tried the hot plants as yet because I have so many other stimulants to

use. My favorite product is ginseng that I brew up as a tea combined with flavored herbs. I also use Horny Goat

WEED, I HAVE ALSO TRIED AND LIKE Viagra, Livatra,Calis,and of course KONG. They all work great, but my plumbing

works fine even without these products. I am pretty active with aerobic training. But for .42 cents a pill how can

you go wrong???
Traderneil Las Vegas

[SLK]

Men's Virility Power by NOW foods has worked well for me. I take 2 capsules about 2 hours before bedtime. Within

an hour, I feel the effects. Libido is noticeably higher with fully engorged penis.

Value for money, I highly

recommend it.

Cheers
SLK

[MOBLEYC57]

Men's Virility Power

by NOW foods has worked well for me. I take 2 capsules about 2 hours before bedtime. Within an hour, I feel the

effects. Libido is noticeably higher with fully engorged penis.

Value for money, I highly recommend it.



Cheers
SLKThanks SLK! :wave: How old are you? :blink:

My body's hidden pointer functions well,

but, my ego wants a harder woody, which is what I'm looking for. There's recommendations for the

libido booster all over the place, but I'm wanting the extra wood in my woody. :think:

[SLK]

Thanks SLK! :wave:

How old are you? :blink:

My body's hidden pointer functions well, but, my ego wants a

harder woody, which is what I'm looking for. There's recommendations for the libido booster all over the place,

but I'm wanting the extra wood in my woody. :think:

I'm 27. My libido used to be hyper during early

20s but has diminished greatly over the last couple of years.

Cheers
SLK

[bigstud1105]

What’s

the point of even having the hardest tool if there’s no one to catch your attention? Verily Tongkat Ali is said to

increase pheromone production when you need them naturally and safely..

[MOBLEYC57]

Bergerama/Slinger ... any new

updates/thoughts/concerns on TA? :blink:

Thanks! :wave:

[MOBLEYC57]

Bergerama/Slinger ... any new updates/thoughts/concerns on TA? :blink:

Thanks! :wave:


Helloooooooooooooooo! Bergeramaaaaaaaaaaaa! Slingerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Come in please. :blink:

[burgerama1960]

The only concerns i have

had is it made me a extremely horny individual. I wore my wife out. Then i ran out of it and my place of purchase

has not replaced their supplies for me to continue its use. Good stuff. Now i am trying enzte which seems to work

also except not as drastic as the TA. I was using the 100:1 extract. No side effects except for a semi wood state

all the time. It made me so horny trees looked good to me:blink:

[MOBLEYC57]

The only

concerns i have had is it made me a extremely horny individual. I wore my wife out. Then i ran out of it and my

place of purchase has not replaced their supplies for me to continue its use. Good stuff. Now i am trying enzte

which seems to work also except not as drastic as the TA. I was using the 100:1 extract. No side effects except for

a semi wood state all the time. It made me so horny trees looked good to me:blink:There you are! :thumbsup:



So, does it make your wood woodier, or it just makes you want to do the nasty all the time? :blink:

Thanks

for coming out of the closet to respond! :drunk:

[belgareth]

I've had good results with

Tribex and L-Arginine.

[MOBLEYC57]

I've had good

results with Tribex and L-Arginine.
Tribex gives my the shakes (mentally)! :rant: Tis what had the doctors

telling me I probably had prostrate cancer. :twisted:

[burgerama1960]

both Mr. mobes. the wood is

more intense and i am horny all the time!

[MOBLEYC57]

both Mr.

mobes. the wood is more intense and i am horny all the time!
Forgot to ask, what's the dosage, and how

long did your bottle last?

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[burgerama1960]

all i took was two

pillseach day for the first week then one thereafter. The bottle lasted me about amonth and a week or so.

[belgareth]

Tribex gives

my the shakes (mentally)! :rant: Tis what had the doctors telling me I probably had prostrate cancer.

:twisted:I don't take the recomended dose, just 2x2 per day.

[noodlesnspam]

Why isnt anyone taking the

natural route to increasing libido? exercise ppl!!! i can understand if youre past middle-age or have certain sexual

conditions that taking any of this stuff can be warranted but anyone who is healthy and under 30, please explain to

me why this is necessary. Exercise has been proven to give you better sleep and increase or otherwise maintain your

libido(if it is already high). Just a thought.

[belgareth]

Noodlesnspam,
Glad you brought

that up, everybody should exercize several times a week. I am 48 and have been working out regularly most of my

life. It makes a real difference in how you feel.

[MOBLEYC57]

Why isnt

anyone taking the natural route to increasing libido? exercise ppl!!! i can understand if youre past middle-age or

have certain sexual conditions that taking any of this stuff can be warranted but anyone who is healthy and under

30, please explain to me why this is necessary. Exercise has been proven to give you better sleep and increase or

otherwise maintain your libido(if it is already high). Just a thought.
Taking pills is easier for those

under 30 that don't :nono: want to sweat, and/or do the work. It's the E A S Y way.:run:

[noodlesnspam]

i see, but i dont think

anyone who is young and healthy should be taking any "pills". I got a friend in college whos taking vitamins like

crazy b/c he says hes too busy to get them the natural way by eating a healthy diet. Ive spoken to my doctor about

this and he said that its best to get what you need the natural way and taking vitamins or pills that to fill gaps

at a young age(to me thats like 30 and below) decreases their effectiveness when you get older when the natural

route becomes harder and harder to travel through. Im guessing thats gotta be related to this topic somehow.

Anyways, my message is just to get some exercise =p

[MOBLEYC57]

i see, but i

dont think anyone who is young and healthy should be taking any "pills". I got a friend in college whos taking

vitamins like crazy b/c he says hes too busy to get them the natural way by eating a healthy diet. Ive spoken to my

doctor about this and he said that its best to get what you need the natural way and taking vitamins or pills that

to fill gaps at a young age(to me thats like 30 and below) decreases their effectiveness when you get older when the

natural route becomes harder and harder to travel through. Im guessing thats gotta be related to this topic somehow.

Anyways, my message is just to get some exercise =p
I hope they're listening to you, NS. It makes sense

what you've said. As for vitamins, and not eating healthy, it's becoming the way of the world ... stressing to get

this and that. A multiV should do, but still, the way people think about certain things stuns me.

Way to speak

up on the idea/your thoughts! :box:

[Watcher]

Heres my approach 3 or 4 x 2-3

hour gym sessions a week - followed by taking multi vitamin milkshakes as well as tribulus terristras / horny

goatweed / diamantia supplements

All good

[InternationalPlayboy]

It's interesting

about vitamins. I listen to Dr. Dean Edell on the way home from work during Standard Time (the radio schedule

changes during Daylight Savings Time as Arizona doesn't switch with the rest of the country).

Dr. Edell's

family was one of the pioneers in vitamin pills, but he says that they aren't worth the money, you get better

vitamins from eating the right foods and that you can't correct a bad diet with pills. As for the "all natural"

fads, he reminds his listeners that hemlock is natural, but one won't live long ingesting that.

(I was into

"Super Blue Green Algae" for awhile. It was a multi-level marketing business as well as a health fad. I think the

perceived benefits I had were mainly placebo effects and since I couldn't get anyone I knew to join under me, I was

paying full price for my algae, which helped me to get into the credit card situation I am in now. I no longer eat

"Super Blue Green Algae," manily due to the expense.)

[MOBLEYC57]

Heres my approach

3 or 4 x 2-3 hour gym sessions a week - followed by taking multi vitamin milkshakes as well as tribulus terristras /

horny goatweed / diamantia supplements

All good
Watcher, you realize that your natural test levels

drop after about 90 minutes, yes? :blink: If you're not juicing, you're actually hurting your

progress. I didn't say there'd be no progress, but hurting it. :blink:

[Watcher]

some of those powders multivitamin

chocolate (food supplements they use in hospitals) are the best way.

[MOBLEYC57]

some of those

powders multivitamin chocolate (food supplements they use in hospitals) are the best way.
So is certain

baby foods! :box:

[Watcher]

yeah i forgot about baby food

mobley lol - at least i get the ones with "real fruit" and not reconstituted additives

[belgareth]

The majority of baby foods are

primarily carrots. Ever notice how some babies have that orange color to their skin?

[MOBLEYC57]

yeah i forgot

about baby food mobley lol - at least i get the ones with "real fruit" and not reconstituted additivesI get

the one's for protein, not the vitamins. :drunk:

Oooooops, Watcherrrrrr! :twisted:

Tongkat Ali does

what?:run:

[Watcher]

theres a difference in "baby

foods" some are about 1-5% real ingredients with the rest as water and additives (most popular sellers - heavily

advertised) and totally useless from a nutrician viewpoint.

Then you have to look for the ones that have up

to 70% "real ingredients of nutricious value" not as widley distributed - specialists baby food distributors - those

are the ones to take for babies and adults alike.

Carrots are cheap to produce i guess belgareth - if they

use real carrots or just substituted flavourings etc

[belgareth]

They use real carrots. I asked

the doctor about it back when my kids were that age and he gave me all the documentation. It isn't a problem, just

makes them a bit colorful.

[Rbt]

A side comment: I have heard from

hopefully reliable sources that for those of us over about 50 y/o that a certain "thing" doesn't work like it used

to just plain due to age. From a personal standpont, libido is there. Something else however is often asleep. But

then again I haven't had any use for it recently... :-(

That's one reason Ize trying the -mones. ;-)



What would be nice is something that could be taken on short notice that works quickly. If necessary. (Haven't

been in a position to know...)

(And yes, I'm getting regular, but moderate, exercise. Haven't fully recovered

from surgery from a couple years ago and it's subsequent aftereffects).