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BassMan
12-28-2004, 07:17 AM
Interesting powerpoint presentation on the testing of a rainforest herb, tongkat ali:
http://www.testingtongkatali.com/testosterone.ppt
-Bass
BIONIC MAN
12-28-2004, 08:50 PM
according to clinical
research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming themselves
to obtain a female partner.:whip:
BassMan
12-28-2004, 09:18 PM
according to
clinical research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming
themselves to obtain a female partner.:whip:
Interesting. How did they harm themselves?
-Bass
burgerama1960
12-29-2004, 07:29 AM
I have taken tongkat ali
for a couple of weeks now. It works! For libido anyway. Check out
www.yohimbe.org (http://www.yohimbe.org) it really is a good read. Scroll down the page and on the left
side there is some good info on tongkat ali.
burgerama1960
12-29-2004, 12:02 PM
It worked for me the first
day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi wood all the time.
The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about an hour to an hour
and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is the quality of the
ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are taking the right
amount.
BassMan
12-29-2004, 12:09 PM
It worked for
me the first day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi wood
all the time. The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about an
hour to an hour and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is the
quality of the ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are
taking the right amount.Where are you getting yours?
-Bass
kappakai
12-29-2004, 02:44 PM
Are there any related
side-effects, or issues, with using tongkat ali? Is there a tolerance buildup, etc?
Its supposed to enhance one's
health in general (in addition to its libido boosting properties) and i don't think there are any side effects
associated with the consumption of such a drink with the exception of it being heaty. True to Have_Courage's
ordeal, it really does taste unpleasant.
ismellgood
12-30-2004, 04:54 AM
Medline has a couple
papers.
Two pushing the
stuff:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10803359
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11693547
And one mentioning toxic contaminants in some
samples:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=129480
85
MOBLEYC57
01-05-2005, 02:52 PM
It worked
for me the first day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi
wood all the time. The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about
an hour to an hour and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is
the quality of the ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are
taking the right amount.
Where are you getting yours?
-Bass
Helloooooooo,
Burger ??????????? :think:
I'd like to play. Is Burger the only test rat using this product?
DrSmellThis
01-05-2005, 03:27 PM
interesting stuff...
MOBLEYC57
01-05-2005, 03:56 PM
interesting
stuff...
Doc, you're using? Is that a VOODOO WOODY interesting stuff, or a DST intellectual
reading interesting stuff? :think:
Annnd, as Bass asked Burger, if you're using, where are you getting
your fix? :blink:
Always a pleasure ... thanks! :thumbsup:
DrSmellThis
01-05-2005, 03:59 PM
Never tried it, unless maybe
in combo with other stuff in other supplements. But sounds promising.
oscar
01-05-2005, 04:11 PM
Gents,
There was a thread about
this about a year and a half back in the Health Forum.
It was posted by one of this forum's leading aficionados
in the field of Aphrodisia.
Whitehall's
Longjack Thread (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7763&goto=nextoldest)
Oscar :)
MOBLEYC57
01-05-2005, 04:26 PM
Gents,
There
was a thread about this about a year and a half back in the Health Forum.
It was posted by one of this forum's
leading aficionados in the field of Aphrodisia.
Whitehall's Longjack Thread (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7763&goto=nextoldest)
Oscar :)
Thanks, Oscar! :thumbsup:
Sounds like two different products, reading Whitehall's
findings, and then Burger's.
Hope that's not the reason Whitehall has not been around. :think:
DrSmellThis
01-05-2005, 09:45 PM
Thanks, Oscar. Maybe I'll
snoop around a bit.
nonscents
01-15-2005, 02:18 PM
I started today with 2 capsules
of LJ100 in the morning. Dr. Ray Sahelian says that one of the side effects is insomnia so I'll only take it in the
morning.
There are also supposedly antihistamine side effects. That would be a positive unintended
consequence for me.
Also, some of the websites claim tongkat ali, aka longjack, aka Eurycoma longifolia raise
pheromone levels. The refer to the pheromones an-a and an-b, (an-alpha and an-beta). Anyone know what these are?
Here's the pheromone reference:
http://www.herbal-powers.com/bodbuilfitre.html
MOBLEYC57
01-15-2005, 02:22 PM
I'd still like to know where
Burgerama got his product since it worked for him, which takes away the YOU GOT GYPT factor. :blink:
Where you
get yours, Nonscents? Please keep the 40+ group informed on your findings.
Thanks!:cheers:
nonscents
01-15-2005, 02:33 PM
Mobes,
I got mine here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10expow.html
Another site of interest is:
http://www.tongkatali.org/index.htm
but they require larger purchases and I didn't want to risk it
until I tried it out first.
They are in Aceh province in Indonesia, site of long-running rebellion and recent
tsunami.
MOBLEYC57
01-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Mobes,
I
got mine
here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10e
xpow.html (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10expow.html)
Another site of interest
is:
http://www.tongkatali.org/index.htm
but they require larger
purchases and I didn't want to risk it until I tried it out first.
They are in Aceh province in Indonesia, site
of long-running rebellion and recent tsunami.
Thanks, Noscents! Did you feel anything after your first
dose? :blink:
nonscents
01-16-2005, 05:10 AM
Yesterday I
took two capsules.
I had had sex in the morning before I took the capsules and didn't have sex after I took
them.
When I went to bed last night I had noticed no effects that day.
But my sleep last night was very
poor. I was up a good part of the night and during the other times my sleep was very shallow. I got out of bed early
this morning and I do not feel rested at all.
I am sure the insomnia is a side effect of the LJ100. Dr. Ray
Sahelian mentions this on the site where he sells the stuff.
I also had an upset stomach this morning. I can't
say with any certainty whether this is an LJ100 effect or not.
My interim conclusion is that LJ100 is not for
me.
In a couple of weeks I will try to take 1 capsule in the morning instead of the 2 capsules I took
yesterday.
If I am not getting enough rest I am not going to be improving my weight lifting and I am not going
to be having better sex.
BIONIC MAN
01-16-2005, 05:47 AM
Interesting.
How did they harm themselves?
-Bass a clinical test was performed with two cages with a tunnel
between them. an electrified tunnel then a female rat in heat was placed in one and a castrated male rat in another.
but this rat was fed tongkat ali, well he bared the electrical shocks to reach his partner. check out muscle jack by
body building supplements the first natural prohormone product. :LOL: if your adding all the test boosters out there
your horny mone signal should be very loud.:run:
MOBLEYC57
01-19-2005, 07:15 PM
Yesterday I
took two capsules.
I had had sex in the morning before I took the capsules and didn't have sex after I took
them.
When I went to bed last night I had noticed no effects that day.
But my sleep last night was very
poor. I was up a good part of the night and during the other times my sleep was very shallow. I got out of bed early
this morning and I do not feel rested at all.
I am sure the insomnia is a side effect of the LJ100. Dr. Ray
Sahelian mentions this on the site where he sells the stuff.
I also had an upset stomach this morning. I can't
say with any certainty whether this is an LJ100 effect or not.
My interim conclusion is that LJ100 is not for
me.
In a couple of weeks I will try to take 1 capsule in the morning instead of the 2 capsules I took yesterday.
If I am not getting enough rest I am not going to be improving my weight lifting and I am not going to be
having better sex.What's your body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:
Would anyone
know if that would make a difference ... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:
Thanks!
BIONIC MAN
01-19-2005, 09:05 PM
What's your
body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:
Would anyone know if that would make a difference
... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:
Thanks! ANYBODY over 200 pds
could double dose safely:cheers:
nonscents
01-22-2005, 07:11 AM
What's your
body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height? :sick:
Would anyone know if that would make a difference
... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less? :think:
Thanks!
I am 5'10" tall
and weigh 171 lbs. I have very little body fat.
By the way, the producers of LJ100 emailed me and told me to
return the product and they would refund it. I've returned my bottle and I am waiting for the refund.
SEA Agent
01-22-2005, 08:13 AM
I am 5'10"
tall and weigh 171 lbs. I have very little body fat.
By the way, the producers of LJ100 emailed me and told me
to return the product and they would refund it. I've returned my bottle and I am waiting for the refund.
Here in South East Asia region...Tongkat Ali is plentiful and taken without any side effect, we have energy drinks
to coffee with Tongkat Ali. I personally like to take the tradisionally prepared versions that are prepared in
villages here. It is made of 100% original roots without and perservatives.
What it does is improves blood
circulation and hence this will also help in the power in the reproductive organs.. My experience with it is that it
help me with my back pain that I was having before. It was not a overnight improvement by after taking for a month
or so. My dosage is 2 capsules before bed.
I have stop taken it as I have problem getting tradisional prepared
ones here in the big city. Everytime someone goes to the Langkawi Island..I'm sure to order a few bottles from
them. I'm sorry to here that some people overseas have a side effects but this might be due to the diet/food
between the regions.
bigstud1105
02-05-2005, 07:16 AM
Try taking Tongkat Ali minus
the alcohol... and this stuff is not to be taken before bed (except when you need them as bosters to an immanent
sexual endower) otherwise this stuff is designed to put you on an 'alert' mode all day.
Slinger
02-05-2005, 12:31 PM
I once took a yohimbe product (it
had some other stuff in it) to see if me and this woman I'm seeing could go "all night" (we usually only go for 5
hours or so until I run out of steam or she runs out of juices, sorry to be vulgar) but all it did was make me
flushed and sweaty, and the sweat had a strange, pervasive odour which wasn't particularly disgusting, but
certainly not pleasant. I would recommend that everyone stay away from anything containing Yohimbe. There are
heart-health risks to taking it as well.
Now, Tongkat Ali, I want to try some of this stuff. What's the
best place to get a 50:1 mix?
Slinger
BIONIC MAN
02-05-2005, 04:38 PM
heres my bionic horny mix,
tongkat ali,l-arginine,zma,maca,dhea,tribbulus terrestis,yohimbe,and copulins under snout:lol: horny goat weed:rofl:
my test is like when i was 18:sick:
bigstud1105
02-06-2005, 07:28 AM
You may try this site Slinger:
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html
(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian
version at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)
However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:
http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
MOBLEYC57
02-06-2005, 10:15 AM
You may try this site Slinger:
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html
(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version
at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)
However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:
http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
BigStud, do you have any experience with
Tongkat, or work for the company? If you have any experience, I would appreciate your thoughts as well. Gotta get
prepared, Cialis, Viagra, or Tongkat Ali? :blink:
Thanks!:thumbsup:
bigstud1105
02-07-2005, 09:46 AM
Had plenty of experience with this stuff… taken raw is for the experienced dude only since they are
outright bitter and acrid. Traditionally used as a means to keep away mosquitoes that transmits diseases such as
malaria, yellow fever, and dengue. (the only people in Malaysia that are prone to this sort of disease are the city
dwellers who possibly fed on junk foods) the rural folks are poor and lives in mosquitoes infested zones thus,
Tongkat Ali has been the life saver indeed. Tongkat Ali comes in various grades namely the lowest and cheaper one
possibly taken from its bark and stem whereas the purest quality harvest deep down at its roots from a specifically
matured tree is the one that will stay at par with Viagra. To be sure that you get the correct dose from the
approved brewer, I proposed the one from the Malaysian website and no Im no worker but just a devotee.
MOBLEYC57
02-07-2005, 01:40 PM
BigStud, my woody is quite
usable, BUT, my ego would love for it to be woodier. Can your experience with the product tell me if TA would make
my woody woodier? :blink:
Annnd, how old are you, your body measurements (height/weight), and the dosage of TA
you took, if I may? :blink:
Thanks! :thumbsup:
bigstud1105
02-08-2005, 05:35 AM
Well MOBLEYC57,
I'm 56 and had no problem ‘just yet’ with my woody. However, the Chinese belief to stabilize a misbehaved piece of
wood, their sinsei or medicine man suggests using a specially made latex ring at the root of the wood in the hope
that it would act as a check-valve during intercourse thus regulating flow of blood to and from the wood. Please
MOBLEYC57, not to do away with that ego as they are the official work order so to speak whlist TA is the booster. TA
(the special blend known as Tongkat Ali Hitam) is soley dedicated to improve or cure your misery of loosing
hydraulics when we really need them. Good Luck.
Slinger
02-10-2005, 06:55 PM
Just ordered some Tongkat, LJ100
formula from http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I bought the 10g powder package.
This
seemed the most "reputable" source, as I have read guys' very pleased reports on this 100:1 extract. Worst that
happens is I wasted $45, but for some reason from the things I've read I have some high hopes for this
stuff.
I will definitely tell you guys how it works out!
Slinger
MOBLEYC57
02-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Just ordered some
Tongkat, LJ100 formula from
http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I bought the 10g
powder package.
This seemed the most "reputable" source, as I have read guys' very pleased reports on this
100:1 extract. Worst that happens is I wasted $45, but for some reason from the things I've read I have some high
hopes for this stuff.
I will definitely tell you guys how it works out!
Slinger
What are your body
measurements, and how old are you Slinger, if I may? :think:
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Slinger
02-10-2005, 11:20 PM
22, 5' 9", 185 pounds, lean. I
work out often and I never use any prohormones or any of that kind of shit, so I could use the natural Testosterone
boost, and if my sex life improves then that's certainly a plus! (nothing wrong with it now, but did you ever get
the urge to put a supercharger on that hot rod? LOL)
Slinger
bigstud1105
02-13-2005, 07:16 AM
Well Slinger,
being 22 and lean, think that a 100:1 extraction maybe a bit too high for you unless you are on some heavy duty
tasks. For your age I imagine the 50:1 extract would be more than adequate. However, trust me with the mixture you
have just acquired I am sure you will have countless hours of feeling sturdy be it in bed or otherwise with just a
single dose. Gud luck pal.
Anyone ever tried STAMINA-RX, the
young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that her boyfriend
uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.
DCW
waynehere67
02-13-2005, 10:39 AM
I've tried it before......
a friend of mine told me about it!! The stuff really works! I took 2 of them ( way too much for me-38yoa). I
should've taken just 1. I practicly stayed up all night and I was real restless (with 2 )........Haven't tried it
again.
MOBLEYC57
02-13-2005, 01:48 PM
Anyone ever tried
STAMINA-RX, the young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that
her boyfriend uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.
DCWI got some and
gave it to a friend (test run), and he said that his girl said that he bit her while doing her, but he didn't
remember it. Sounds like it makes you very aggressive under the sheets. I didn't use it because of his report ...
ain't no tellin' what I might do!:whip:
Slinger, how much comes in that $45 bottle (how many pills per
dosages/how many pills per bottle)?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
DrSmellThis
02-15-2005, 02:07 PM
Anyone ever tried
STAMINA-RX, the young girl behind the counter at the adult video store (I was looking for directions) told me that
her boyfriend uses it and it's "awesome".
I've heard similiar claims elsewhere.
DCWDo a search in
Health section. WARNING. Stuff almost killed me. Never again.
Slinger
02-15-2005, 02:27 PM
Slinger, how
much comes in that $45 bottle (how many pills per dosages/how many pills per bottle)?
Thanks!
:thumbsup:
I got the 10g packet. $39.95 + shipping = $45
However, unless money is really
tight with you, I would strongly recommend you get the capsule form, which is 60 pills @ 50mg per pill (total of 3g
of Tongkat), also costs $39.95. Reason is that this stuff is BITTER!!! I've been taking 150mg for the second day
now and each time I've taken this stuff the aawfully bitter taste has stuck in my mouth making me want to vomit.
Eat some hot soup, it will help remove the taste from your mouth. BLECH!
But, this stuff works DAMN good, I
could definitely tell my energy levels, pump levels, thermogenesis, and recovery time was improved. That was day 1.
I have no report yet as to the sexual effects.
Slinger
bigstud1105
02-16-2005, 06:56 AM
DCW, I dont think the
Stamina Rx mentioned contains Tongkat Ali as one of its ingredient, you may browse at this web site
http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/stamina.html and learn
more about this badly combined drug there. for your info Stamina RX contains Yohimbe. Indications says Do not use
Stamina RX if you are at risk or are being treated for high blood pressure, kidney, thyroid, or psychiatric disease,
anxiety, depression, seizure disorder or stroke. Consult your physician before using Stamina RX if you are taking
MAO inhibitors or any other prescription. Stamina RX is not for children under the age of 18.
Please consult your
physician before taking Stamina RX. This product or these statements have not been evaluated by The United States
Food and Drug Administration. Stamina-Rx also contains: Yohimbe 8% Extract - increases blood flow to the penis and
dramatically increases libido. Stamina-Rx contains the highest percentage of yohimble hcl in the world.
Epimedium/Horney Goat Weed - increases the sex drive as effectively as any compound known to science. Stamina-Rx
uses a 20:1 extract, 5 times stronger than the competition! L-Arginine - increases natural production of nitric
oxide, leading to a more rigid erection.
Gamma Amino Butyric Acid - increases dopamine levels, igniting a euphoric
feeling and increasing sensations during orgasm.
Notes:
Stamina RX contains 2 components not found anywhere else
in America:
1) Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa, which induces smooth muscle relaxation, allowing for maximum arterial
dilation and increased bloodflow 2) Cnidium Monnier, which increases nitric oxide release and inhibits PDE-5,
allowing erections to be sustained for longer periods of time.
I recommend that you stay away from STAMINA RX
period.
bigstud1105
02-16-2005, 07:12 AM
Glad to know that TA works
well with you slinger. I am pretty sure day two will be more torrid. Let me know how it turns out in bed with your
partner. however, i still recommends the capsules verity rather than taking them raw into the mouth.
Slinger
02-16-2005, 06:11 PM
I got a way around that, LOL. I
just popped open some herbal capsules of something I'm not using anymore (the label was gone and I'm not even sure
what it is) dumping the stuff out, and using the 100mg scoop provided with the raw powder and using a tiny makeshift
paper funnel to load the capsules up with Tongkat, and close them back up :D No foul bitter taste,
woohoo!
Slinger
StrikerWolf8
02-16-2005, 07:52 PM
<>Ah, yohimbe. I remember
finding out about that stuff when I initially started on medication for ADD (attention deficit disorder). I was
wary about being medicated, and after immense amount of personal research, several blood tests, and meetings with
psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, and physicians I agreed to try medication on a trial basis. I still kept
extensive notes the effects over a couple months to understand how it was affecting me.
Yohimbe was a name I
came across about a month after I started the medication. I had noticed that the medication literally seemed to be
enlarging my penis (and yes, I charted this carefully over the following two months to make sure I wasn't just
imagining things). Now, Adderall – the medication prescribed to me for ADD – is the commercial name for a
dextro-amphetamine salt mixture. Further research into the matter allowed me to conclude that amphetamines have
androgenic (masculinizing) effects. I was unable, however, to discover the mechanism for this despite deep diving
into PubMed and browsing the university’s online journal collection (most of their stuff was concerning
addiction).
My curiosity did not wane, and in my search for understanding. I came upon the herb yohimbe, which
also contains amphetamine class compounds. After some searching on the internet to check uses, it was obvious to me
why the herb is a prime component of penis and sexual performance enhancement pills. It is simply due to the
androgenic effects of the amphetamine class compounds.
Overall, I would suggest extreme caution if you decide
to try these compounds. There are a number of health warnings on my medication bottle covering stuff to avoid, and
secondly we still don't know all of the effects of herbal supplement. A bad reaction could literally kill you
(most often it seems through a radical change in blood pressure).
MOBLEYC57
02-16-2005, 08:20 PM
Glad to know
that TA works well with you slinger. I am pretty sure day two will be more torrid. Let me know how it turns out in
bed with your partner. however, i still recommends the capsules verity rather than taking them raw into the
mouth.For some reason, I'm lost! :rant: If you get a minute, could you please find the capsules, and post
that link?
Do you know how many servings are in each bottle (capsules)? I'm sure I missed it, but I looked for
a while. :think:
Thanks! :wave:
bigstud1105
02-17-2005, 05:48 AM
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html
(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version
at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)
However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:
http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/
MOBLEYC57
02-17-2005, 05:50 AM
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html
(http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html) for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian version
at: http://www.tongkatali.org/ (http://www.tongkatali.org/)
However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:
http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm (http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm) and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
Thanks, BS! :wave:
MOBLEYC57
02-17-2005, 07:52 AM
BigStud, those links are all
from outside of the U.S. Would you look at these link posted by Slinger, and give me your advice as to which you
would buy for a test run, OR do you have any other U.S. companies in your black book, so that I won't have to wait
a month to receive the product? :think:
http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/produ
cts.php?id=1 (http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/products.php?id=1)
Thanks again! :wave:
bigstud1105
02-17-2005, 08:40 AM
Mobley, The site posted by
Slinger is considered reliable to me and from the link posted by slinger...
http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I proposed item #1
and if you so wished you may suppliment it with item #4 too for that extra punch.
Slinger
02-17-2005, 09:48 AM
Mobley, that link I posted, I
ordered my product, selected Priority Mail, and received my order in 2 business days. I call that good
service.
Slinger
MOBLEYC57
02-17-2005, 09:18 PM
Mobley, The
site posted by Slinger is considered reliable to me and from the link posted by slinger...
http://tongkat-ali-herb-testosterone.com/ I proposed item #1
and if you so wished you may suppliment it with item #4 too for that extra punch.
BigS, aren't they
pretty much the same thing, or are you saying with #4, I get extra Tongkat? :think: What do you think are the
benefits of using both? :blink:
Thanks Slinger! :wave:
traderneil
02-18-2005, 11:25 AM
To save the forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a
good health food store and pick up a package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of
male products and Tongat-ali is listed as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you
that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats
Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it
works.. You can also order it on line from the Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck>
Traderneil Las Vegas
MOBLEYC57
02-18-2005, 03:54 PM
To save the
forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a good health food store and pick up a
package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of male products and Tongat-ali is listed
as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants
sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special
for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it works.. You can also order it on line from the
Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck> Traderneil Las Vegas
Traderneil,
have you tried Hot Plants, and does it work? :blink:
BIONIC MAN
02-18-2005, 11:47 PM
To save the
forum members time and money re this product all you have to do is go to a good health food store and pick up a
package of Enzymatic Therapy Hot Plants for men.It contains a good formula of male products and Tongat-ali is listed
as one of the ingredients.(There is also a female version for those of you that want try that. :):):). Hot Plants
sells for $25.00 for 60 caps a thirty day supply. I was in The Wild Oats Supermarket yesterday and saw it on special
for $20. not a bad price if you want to try the product to see if it works.. You can also order it on line from the
Vitamin Shoppe or any good source of health food products. Good luck> Traderneil Las Vegas doctors trust.com
has hot plants,tongkat ali,yohimbe,tribbulus, and lots of horny mixes pro-lab makes horny goat weed complex.but you
need some wagg-n so you have a partner willing blonde 36 c preferable :lol:
bigstud1105
02-19-2005, 08:19 AM
Why not Mobley #4 is claimed
to have come from a fully matured TA roots... it help boosts your endurance factor... excellent for any dude above
40 who needs that extra power!
traderneil
02-19-2005, 04:33 PM
:kiss: I haven't tried the hot plants as yet because I have so many other stimulants to
use. My favorite product is ginseng that I brew up as a tea combined with flavored herbs. I also use Horny Goat
WEED, I HAVE ALSO TRIED AND LIKE Viagra, Livatra,Calis,and of course KONG. They all work great, but my plumbing
works fine even without these products. I am pretty active with aerobic training. But for .42 cents a pill how can
you go wrong???
Traderneil Las Vegas
Men's Virility Power by NOW foods has worked well for me. I take 2 capsules about 2 hours before bedtime. Within
an hour, I feel the effects. Libido is noticeably higher with fully engorged penis.
Value for money, I highly
recommend it.
Cheers
SLK
MOBLEYC57
02-20-2005, 12:19 PM
Men's Virility Power
by NOW foods has worked well for me. I take 2 capsules about 2 hours before bedtime. Within an hour, I feel the
effects. Libido is noticeably higher with fully engorged penis.
Value for money, I highly recommend it.
Cheers
SLKThanks SLK! :wave: How old are you? :blink:
My body's hidden pointer functions well,
but, my ego wants a harder woody, which is what I'm looking for. There's recommendations for the
libido booster all over the place, but I'm wanting the extra wood in my woody. :think:
Thanks SLK! :wave:
How old are you? :blink:
My body's hidden pointer functions well, but, my ego wants a
harder woody, which is what I'm looking for. There's recommendations for the libido booster all over the place,
but I'm wanting the extra wood in my woody. :think:
I'm 27. My libido used to be hyper during early
20s but has diminished greatly over the last couple of years.
Cheers
SLK
bigstud1105
02-21-2005, 07:46 AM
What’s
the point of even having the hardest tool if there’s no one to catch your attention? Verily Tongkat Ali is said to
increase pheromone production when you need them naturally and safely..
MOBLEYC57
02-24-2005, 07:46 PM
Bergerama/Slinger ... any new
updates/thoughts/concerns on TA? :blink:
Thanks! :wave:
MOBLEYC57
04-11-2005, 03:49 PM
Bergerama/Slinger ... any new updates/thoughts/concerns on TA? :blink:
Thanks! :wave:
Helloooooooooooooooo! Bergeramaaaaaaaaaaaa! Slingerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Come in please. :blink:
burgerama1960
04-11-2005, 04:09 PM
The only concerns i have
had is it made me a extremely horny individual. I wore my wife out. Then i ran out of it and my place of purchase
has not replaced their supplies for me to continue its use. Good stuff. Now i am trying enzte which seems to work
also except not as drastic as the TA. I was using the 100:1 extract. No side effects except for a semi wood state
all the time. It made me so horny trees looked good to me:blink:
MOBLEYC57
04-11-2005, 04:15 PM
The only
concerns i have had is it made me a extremely horny individual. I wore my wife out. Then i ran out of it and my
place of purchase has not replaced their supplies for me to continue its use. Good stuff. Now i am trying enzte
which seems to work also except not as drastic as the TA. I was using the 100:1 extract. No side effects except for
a semi wood state all the time. It made me so horny trees looked good to me:blink:There you are! :thumbsup:
So, does it make your wood woodier, or it just makes you want to do the nasty all the time? :blink:
Thanks
for coming out of the closet to respond! :drunk:
belgareth
04-11-2005, 04:21 PM
I've had good results with
Tribex and L-Arginine.
MOBLEYC57
04-11-2005, 04:26 PM
I've had good
results with Tribex and L-Arginine.
Tribex gives my the shakes (mentally)! :rant: Tis what had the doctors
telling me I probably had prostrate cancer. :twisted:
burgerama1960
04-11-2005, 04:37 PM
both Mr. mobes. the wood is
more intense and i am horny all the time!
MOBLEYC57
04-11-2005, 04:39 PM
both Mr.
mobes. the wood is more intense and i am horny all the time!
Forgot to ask, what's the dosage, and how
long did your bottle last?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
burgerama1960
04-11-2005, 04:45 PM
all i took was two
pillseach day for the first week then one thereafter. The bottle lasted me about amonth and a week or so.
belgareth
04-11-2005, 04:57 PM
Tribex gives
my the shakes (mentally)! :rant: Tis what had the doctors telling me I probably had prostrate cancer.
:twisted:I don't take the recomended dose, just 2x2 per day.
noodlesnspam
04-11-2005, 11:31 PM
Why isnt anyone taking the
natural route to increasing libido? exercise ppl!!! i can understand if youre past middle-age or have certain sexual
conditions that taking any of this stuff can be warranted but anyone who is healthy and under 30, please explain to
me why this is necessary. Exercise has been proven to give you better sleep and increase or otherwise maintain your
libido(if it is already high). Just a thought.
belgareth
04-12-2005, 04:03 AM
Noodlesnspam,
Glad you brought
that up, everybody should exercize several times a week. I am 48 and have been working out regularly most of my
life. It makes a real difference in how you feel.
MOBLEYC57
04-12-2005, 07:47 AM
Why isnt
anyone taking the natural route to increasing libido? exercise ppl!!! i can understand if youre past middle-age or
have certain sexual conditions that taking any of this stuff can be warranted but anyone who is healthy and under
30, please explain to me why this is necessary. Exercise has been proven to give you better sleep and increase or
otherwise maintain your libido(if it is already high). Just a thought.
Taking pills is easier for those
under 30 that don't :nono: want to sweat, and/or do the work. It's the E A S Y way.:run:
noodlesnspam
04-12-2005, 03:15 PM
i see, but i dont think
anyone who is young and healthy should be taking any "pills". I got a friend in college whos taking vitamins like
crazy b/c he says hes too busy to get them the natural way by eating a healthy diet. Ive spoken to my doctor about
this and he said that its best to get what you need the natural way and taking vitamins or pills that to fill gaps
at a young age(to me thats like 30 and below) decreases their effectiveness when you get older when the natural
route becomes harder and harder to travel through. Im guessing thats gotta be related to this topic somehow.
Anyways, my message is just to get some exercise =p
MOBLEYC57
04-12-2005, 03:22 PM
i see, but i
dont think anyone who is young and healthy should be taking any "pills". I got a friend in college whos taking
vitamins like crazy b/c he says hes too busy to get them the natural way by eating a healthy diet. Ive spoken to my
doctor about this and he said that its best to get what you need the natural way and taking vitamins or pills that
to fill gaps at a young age(to me thats like 30 and below) decreases their effectiveness when you get older when the
natural route becomes harder and harder to travel through. Im guessing thats gotta be related to this topic somehow.
Anyways, my message is just to get some exercise =p
I hope they're listening to you, NS. It makes sense
what you've said. As for vitamins, and not eating healthy, it's becoming the way of the world ... stressing to get
this and that. A multiV should do, but still, the way people think about certain things stuns me.
Way to speak
up on the idea/your thoughts! :box:
Watcher
04-12-2005, 03:35 PM
Heres my approach 3 or 4 x 2-3
hour gym sessions a week - followed by taking multi vitamin milkshakes as well as tribulus terristras / horny
goatweed / diamantia supplements
All good
InternationalPlayboy
04-12-2005, 03:36 PM
It's interesting
about vitamins. I listen to Dr. Dean Edell on the way home from work during Standard Time (the radio schedule
changes during Daylight Savings Time as Arizona doesn't switch with the rest of the country).
Dr. Edell's
family was one of the pioneers in vitamin pills, but he says that they aren't worth the money, you get better
vitamins from eating the right foods and that you can't correct a bad diet with pills. As for the "all natural"
fads, he reminds his listeners that hemlock is natural, but one won't live long ingesting that.
(I was into
"Super Blue Green Algae" for awhile. It was a multi-level marketing business as well as a health fad. I think the
perceived benefits I had were mainly placebo effects and since I couldn't get anyone I knew to join under me, I was
paying full price for my algae, which helped me to get into the credit card situation I am in now. I no longer eat
"Super Blue Green Algae," manily due to the expense.)
MOBLEYC57
04-12-2005, 03:38 PM
Heres my approach
3 or 4 x 2-3 hour gym sessions a week - followed by taking multi vitamin milkshakes as well as tribulus terristras /
horny goatweed / diamantia supplements
All good
Watcher, you realize that your natural test levels
drop after about 90 minutes, yes? :blink: If you're not juicing, you're actually hurting your
progress. I didn't say there'd be no progress, but hurting it. :blink:
Watcher
04-12-2005, 03:38 PM
some of those powders multivitamin
chocolate (food supplements they use in hospitals) are the best way.
MOBLEYC57
04-12-2005, 03:40 PM
some of those
powders multivitamin chocolate (food supplements they use in hospitals) are the best way.
So is certain
baby foods! :box:
Watcher
04-12-2005, 03:42 PM
yeah i forgot about baby food
mobley lol - at least i get the ones with "real fruit" and not reconstituted additives
belgareth
04-12-2005, 03:43 PM
The majority of baby foods are
primarily carrots. Ever notice how some babies have that orange color to their skin?
MOBLEYC57
04-12-2005, 03:45 PM
yeah i forgot
about baby food mobley lol - at least i get the ones with "real fruit" and not reconstituted additivesI get
the one's for protein, not the vitamins. :drunk:
Oooooops, Watcherrrrrr! :twisted:
Tongkat Ali does
what?:run:
Watcher
04-12-2005, 03:45 PM
theres a difference in "baby
foods" some are about 1-5% real ingredients with the rest as water and additives (most popular sellers - heavily
advertised) and totally useless from a nutrician viewpoint.
Then you have to look for the ones that have up
to 70% "real ingredients of nutricious value" not as widley distributed - specialists baby food distributors - those
are the ones to take for babies and adults alike.
Carrots are cheap to produce i guess belgareth - if they
use real carrots or just substituted flavourings etc
belgareth
04-12-2005, 03:51 PM
They use real carrots. I asked
the doctor about it back when my kids were that age and he gave me all the documentation. It isn't a problem, just
makes them a bit colorful.
A side comment: I have heard from
hopefully reliable sources that for those of us over about 50 y/o that a certain "thing" doesn't work like it used
to just plain due to age. From a personal standpont, libido is there. Something else however is often asleep. But
then again I haven't had any use for it recently... :-(
That's one reason Ize trying the -mones. ;-)
What would be nice is something that could be taken on short notice that works quickly. If necessary. (Haven't
been in a position to know...)
(And yes, I'm getting regular, but moderate, exercise. Haven't fully recovered
from surgery from a couple years ago and it's subsequent aftereffects).
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