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belgareth
12-16-2004, 02:48 PM
Despite my dismissal of some of the alternative explanations regarding the 9/11
attacks, I am all for an open investigation by a third party. As incredible as it sounds that our nations leaders
would knowlingly do something like that, there are a lot of seemingly valid questions
unanswered.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theorist Offers $100,000
Prize
By Larry Fine
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jimmy Walter has spent more than $3 million
promoting a conspiracy theory the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States were "an inside job" and he is
offering more cash to anyone who proves him wrong.
The millionaire
activist is so convinced of a government cover-up he is offering a $100,000 reward to any engineering student who
can prove the World Trade Center buildings crashed the way the government says.
"Of course, we expect no winners," Walter, 57, heir to an $11
million fortune from his father's home building business, said in a telephone interview from California on
Wednesday.
He said a panel of expert engineers would judge
submissions from the students.
Next month, he also launches a
nationwide contest seeking alternative theories from college and high school students about why New York's World
Trade Center collapsed. The contest offers $10,000 to the best alternative theory, with 100 runner-up awards of
$1,000. Winners will be chosen next June.
The World Trade Center's
twin towers were destroyed after hijackers slammed two commercial airliners into them. The attack in New York killed
2,749 people.
Various official investigations give no credence to
Walter's theory. A Sept. 11 commission spokesman did not return calls seeking comment.
Walter insists there had to be explosives planted in the twin towers
to cause them to fall as they did, and also rejects the official explanation for the damage done at the
Pentagon.
"We have all the proof," said Walter, citing videotapes and
testimony from witnesses.
"It wasn't 19 screw-ups from Saudi Arabia
who couldn't pass flight school who defeated the United States with a set of box cutters," he said. He dismissed
the official Sept. 11 commission report, saying, "I don't trust any of these 'facts.'"
Walter has spent millions of dollars to bolster support for his
case, running full-page ads in The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, The New Yorker and Newsweek, as well as
alternative newspapers and 30-second TV spots.
He points to a Zogby
poll he commissioned last summer that showed 66 percent of New Yorkers wanted the 9/11 investigation reopened.
Walter has spent about 30 percent of his net worth on his efforts.
"I am a patriot fighting the real traitors who are destroying our
democracy. I resent it when they call me delusional," he said.
Surreal
12-16-2004, 02:57 PM
I hope he does not get in a car
acident becaused his brakes 'failed'
I have not heard of this. Thanks will look into this.
belgareth
12-16-2004, 03:19 PM
There are always conspiracy
theories. I've read a few. Some have valid sounding points, others sound more like wild rantings to me. But I am
trying to keep my mind open to all possibilities.
Surreal
12-16-2004, 06:36 PM
We need a 'reason' to go to
war.
Bombing Pearl Harbor was the reason over 60 years ago. Today it is the same type situation.
Peace and
oil today are interchangeable. :)
belgareth
12-16-2004, 07:06 PM
There are more than one
conspiracy theories that suggest or claim Pearl Harbor was instigated on purpose to force the American people into
approving our entry into the war. The people were against getting into the war even though the government wanted to
stop the German machine before it got any further.
I'm not saying it really happened, only that others think
so. It probably mostly proves others have too much time on their hands and I read too much.
DrSmellThis
12-16-2004, 07:44 PM
I remember posting something
to this effect a while back and attracting a bit of scoffing.
Even though I was a poor, unmotivated engineering
student way back when, the rational part of my brain cannot help but think that the buildings did not come down as
they should have, in terms of the engineering and materials. It's not my fault. I don't want to be a
conspiracy theorist. ;)
At the very least, there are some unsolved problems in materials physics here.
On the other hand, I'm all ears, should an expert think they can explain it to us.
Kids, sometimes in
history unbelievably huge, corrupt things happen. Somebody has to be vigilant about their possibility,
despite the fact that few will fail to mock those that are.
Surreal
12-16-2004, 07:44 PM
It probably
mostly proves others have too much time on their hands and I read too much.
Doubt it....
Those people
mentioned and you proberly have higher intellegent quotents. For these type people it does not take much to quickly
add up the facts, nonfacts, political atmosphere, ect. into what is most likey. We are not in the inner loop. Only
the 'power elite' know the real reasons behind the timing and whys of war.
War is no longer cut and dry like
it was 1000-3000 years ago. Well, even then large group of humans fought to the death over a woman never of them
ever met.
I really would like to see this happen....
"Good evening America. I the president has decided
to take a nation vote. A one for one vote. It boils down to do you want to go to war to preserve our current life
styles. Oil boyz and gurlz. Should we spend 1/4 trillion to keep the gas flowing or all go with electric motors.
Since I, the president, do not own any stock in any profitable eletric engine fabricator corporation, we will be
going to war. So shove this..............."
LOL dont know where I was going with this......
belgareth
12-16-2004, 08:12 PM
You already know how much faith
I put into the government. Not much would surprise me.
Felstorm
12-16-2004, 09:25 PM
You already
know how much faith I put into the government. Not much would surprise me.
You don't know the half of
it.
Silver
12-16-2004, 10:11 PM
Well, even then
large group of humans fought to the death over a woman never of them ever met.
Actually a large group
of humans fought to the death because their kings were tired of paying ridiculously high taxes when shipping trade
goods through the critical trojan-controlled Bosphorus.
But anyway, yeah.
~Silver
DrSmellThis
12-16-2004, 10:33 PM
You don't
know the half of it....who does?
koolking1
12-19-2004, 08:28 PM
someone does.
metroman
12-20-2004, 01:41 PM
someone
does.
Skull & Bones, The Trilaterilists, The Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign relations, upper
degree Masons, etc, etc...all the secret societies that are actually interwoven at the top of their organizational
structures.
They have created a great advantage for themselves in that anyone that questions the "official
version" of events is labeled a conspiracy theory nutcase. A lot of people who know that the "official version" of
events is pure fantasy are afraid to speak out because of this.
In a poll conducted by Zogby International
half of New York City residents believe there was "government foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks & consciously failed
to act."
The Toronto Star conducted a national poll & found that 63% of Canadians are also convinced that US
leaders had prior knowledge of the acts but declined to act.
Of course none of this was discussed in the
Illuminati controlled so called "mainstream media."
Lots of good info at this site:
www.911truth.org
phersurf
12-20-2004, 06:39 PM
The Lusitania was a British
cargo and passenger ship that carried munitions from the US to Brittain so in affect it was a warship. The Germans
warned the US (this was before the US was involved in WWI) that when the ship entered the North Sea it would become
a a target. Geramny took out full page ads in 50 US newspapers (mostly on the East coast) telling US passengers not
to sail on the Lusitania as it would be dangerous. The US State Department contacted those 50 papers and ordered
them not to run the ad, one newspaper in De Moines ran it anyway (which is why we know about it today).
When
the ship entered dangerous waters, it was ordered to decrease speed to 75%, this ship was designed to be able to
outrun subs at 100%. A destroyer named the Juno was sent to redezvous with the Lusitania, at the last minute it was
recalled by the British admiralty. It was hit by one torpedo and due to it's munitions cargo, it blew up and sunk
in 18 minutes.
Before the sinking of the Lusitania, Americans were against entering the war. This was the
event that the government used to rally support.
It's been done before, what makes anyone think it wouldn't
be done again.
Surreal
12-20-2004, 08:57 PM
^^^ could not agree anymore.
The mob of Rome or the masses 2000 years after... there is no difference.
"When a
well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly
preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
Felstorm
12-21-2004, 01:41 AM
Skull & Bones, The
Trilaterilists, The Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign relations, upper degree Masons, etc, etc...all the secret
societies that are actually interwoven at the top of their organizational structures.
Smoke and mirrors.
Smoke and mirrors.
a.k.a.
12-21-2004, 09:14 AM
At the time, I didn’t really pay
attention to alternate theories. I was too busy trying to keep up with all the changes the Bush administration was
putting us through: Patriot Act, invasion of Afghanistan, new interpretations of presidential authority, Guantanamo,
airline bail outs, Homeland security...
It seems to me, that even if the official story is correct, the Bush
reaction has been extreme, self-serving, unconstitutional and counterproductive.
Now that I look back
at it I still don’t know whether the fire from a jumbo jet is hot enough to melt steel and pulverize concrete. But
it does seem unusual that this sort of thing has never happened with other skyscraper fires. And it sure doesn’t
make sense that a (paper) passport belonging to one of the alleged perpetrators could have survived the WTC fires
while the famous “black boxes” were destroyed.
And what really burns me up is how easily somebody that
questions the official story can be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
First of all, there obviously was a
conspiracy. Whether it was Al Qaeda, Mosad, CIA, Illuminati, or some combination thereof, somebody obviously
conspired to set these attacks up. And “They attacked us because they hate our freedoms.” has got to be the most
absurd conspiracy theory of all.
Secondly, we are currently fighting a losing war in Iraq on the basis of a
conspiracy theory that has been soundly debunked (Saddam’s WMD). Yet nobody dares to call Dick Chaney a crazy
conspiracy theorist.
Mungojerry
12-21-2004, 09:33 AM
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metroman
12-21-2004, 01:57 PM
The Lusitania
was a British cargo and passenger ship that carried munitions from the US to Brittain so in affect it was a warship.
The Germans warned the US (this was before the US was involved in WWI) that when the ship entered the North Sea it
would become a a target. Geramny took out full page ads in 50 US newspapers (mostly on the East coast) telling US
passengers not to sail on the Lusitania as it would be dangerous. The US State Department contacted those 50 papers
and ordered them not to run the ad, one newspaper in De Moines ran it anyway (which is why we know about it today).
When the ship entered dangerous waters, it was ordered to decrease speed to 75%, this ship was designed to
be able to outrun subs at 100%. A destroyer named the Juno was sent to redezvous with the Lusitania, at the last
minute it was recalled by the British admiralty. It was hit by one torpedo and due to it's munitions cargo, it blew
up and sunk in 18 minutes.
Before the sinking of the Lusitania, Americans were against entering the war. This
was the event that the government used to rally support.
It's been done before, what makes anyone think it
wouldn't be done again.
Anybody notice a trend here...The sinking of the USS Maine in 1898 presaged
the Spanish American war due to manipulated public opinion via the Illuminati controlled Hearst media empire. As
noted above the US was dragged into WWI by the manipulated events of the sinking of the Lusitania. US involvement
in WWII was guranteed by the horrific bombing of Pearl Harbor, despite FDR's proclamation that "American mothers
would not have to worry about sending their sons to die on foreign soil". It is almost common knowledge now that
Pearl Harbor was a manipulated event, even the History Channel has shows on this. And last we have the 9/11 debacle
of which the official explanation has many, many inconsistencies. It has us fighting a war on two fronts...I also
hear much sabre rattling going on about Iran, I'm sure North Korea wont be far behind...
DrSmellThis
12-21-2004, 02:08 PM
At the time, I
didn’t really pay attention to alternate theories. I was too busy trying to keep up with all the changes the Bush
administration was putting us through: Patriot Act, invasion of Afghanistan, new interpretations of presidential
authority, Guantanamo, airline bail outs, Homeland security...
It seems to me, that even if the official story
is correct, the Bush reaction has been extreme, self-serving, unconstitutional and counterproductive.
Now
that I look back at it I still don’t know whether the fire from a jumbo jet is hot enough to melt steel and
pulverize concrete. But it does seem unusual that this sort of thing has never happened with other skyscraper fires.
And it sure doesn’t make sense that a (paper) passport belonging to one of the alleged perpetrators could have
survived the WTC fires while the famous “black boxes” were destroyed.
And what really burns me up is how
easily somebody that questions the official story can be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
First of all,
there obviously was a conspiracy. Whether it was Al Qaeda, Mosad, CIA, Illuminati, or some combination thereof,
somebody obviously conspired to set these attacks up. And “They attacked us because they hate our freedoms.” has got
to be the most absurd conspiracy theory of all.
Secondly, we are currently fighting a losing war in Iraq on the
basis of a conspiracy theory that has been soundly debunked (Saddam’s WMD). Yet nobody dares to call Dick Chaney a
crazy conspiracy theorist.Nice post.
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