View Full Version : some really interesting info on copulins
Tiger4
12-11-2004, 08:06 AM
Yesterday, I posted a link to a website which explained some research that was done on copulins on the Pheromone
Research Forum but it got quickly deleted. I don't understand why it got deleted because it was on topic and
revealed some very interesting if not disturbing information about copulins. The information was like something out
of a science fiction or horror movie.
The jist of this information is that copulins make men submissive and
compliant to his mate to such a point where the female has total control over him. The female becomes able to
program the male's behavior. From the website, none of the men studied were able to slip out of this programable
mode.
According to the website, the study was conducted using 60 couples and the woman's natural copulins were
used. Whenever the couples would have intercourse, they would stay joined for longer than usual so that the
copulins from the the woman would be absorbed by the man's penis. Over a period of time, dramatic changes would
take place in the men. From reading the article, some of the male subjects became zombie-like and would no longer
think for themselves but only for their mates.
The information got me thinking... could the prolonged use of
copulins by men in products such as PCC bring about the same effects? I don't know about anyone else, but from a
male's perspective this is really creepy stuff. I have stopped using PCC because of it.
CptKipling
12-11-2004, 10:08 AM
Probably because the
information was dumb and had more to do with voodoo than pheromone science.
I've seen a very similar
website, and if it is the information that I'm thinking of, you need to use a bit more common sense.
CptKipling
12-11-2004, 10:33 AM
Yes, but to my knowledge there
is no evidence that suggests that copulins can have an effect by being aborbed.
btw, the abrasiveness of my last
post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.
Gegogi
12-11-2004, 12:30 PM
Sounds like bull wacky too me.
Interactions between men and women are not so simplistic as to be reduced to a narrow formula, i.e., man exposed to
extensive copulins = pussy whip. Personally I found the more I get laid by a woman, the hornier I get and the more
likely I'm to extend my horniness to other women. So I'm certainly not under a zombie-like state of control. I do
what I please.
DrSmellThis
12-11-2004, 12:31 PM
* Men in LTR's produce less
testosterone, most probably due to the effect of her pheromones (copulinic or otherwise) -- whether through
habituation or some other more direct mechanism.
* Strictly speaking, "copulins" are female pheromones that are
produced in the vagina or near the genitalia, and that evoke male behaviors associated with copulation (They tend to
be fatty acid based, so far.).
However, acetic acid -- a purported copulin and EW ingredient -- is also
produced through the skin in general. And butyric acid -- another -- is also produced in the intestines in both
sexes -- so I think it's an "anal pheromone" for men, (and can be nutritionally supplemented -- it's the one that
smells like parmesan cheese) though the chemical also plays a valuable role in digestion and protecting the
intestinal lining.
jvkohl
12-11-2004, 07:20 PM
Ovulatory phase copulins (vaginal
secretions) increase testosterone in men. A progesteronic pheromone decreased testosterone in men. During pregnancy,
a woman's partner will experience a linear drop in testosterone, and reach the lowest levels as she comes to term
and delivers. This fits well with the big picture of ovulatory pheromones being influenced more by estrogens, and
luteal phase pheromones being more influenced by progesterone (and progesterone increases to maintain pregnancy).
Animal models strongly suggest that all this chemical signaling is simply the means to ensure properly timed
reproductive sexual behavior. Progesteronic pheromones = negative signal; estrogenic pheromones = positive signal.
Copulins are estrogenic pheromones. However, as DrSmellThis indicates, the hormone-associated pheromones are not
just secreted from the vagina; they're manifest on the breath, skin, axillary and pubic areas--anyplace you find
terminal (dark) hair, the breasts---lots of places.
JVK
phinmone
12-12-2004, 06:44 AM
From reading the
article, some of the male subjects became zombie-like and would no longer think for themselves but only for their
mates.
well, this kind of behaviour is not that scarce . i have this one friend who cannot say no to
women. he alters his plans after his girlfriend, altough he had already made plans with other people. in male to
male interactions he is very leading and alpha, but when it comes down to women that he is attracted to, he looses
all his power and becomes zombie-like. horrible and annoying.
CptKipling
12-12-2004, 12:33 PM
well, this kind
of behaviour is not that scarce . i have this one friend who cannot say no to women. he alters his plans after his
girlfriend, altough he had already made plans with other people. in male to male interactions he is very leading and
alpha, but when it comes down to women that he is attracted to, he looses all his power and becomes zombie-like.
horrible and annoying.
To be brutally honest, that is because your friend is a wuss.
I have a friend
who is the same.
phinmone
12-12-2004, 03:28 PM
To be brutally
honest, that is because your friend is a wuss.
yees, he is a total wuss when it comes down to women
that he is attracted to. but his action along males is like TOTALLY differend. it's so frustrating to see after i
have talked to him about this, that he still does acts with his gf as he does. damn! i could never do
that.
to all men: never be zombie-like, let your gf be that zombie! =)
cheers phinmone
BIONIC MAN
12-12-2004, 04:11 PM
Yesterday, I
posted a link to a website which explained some research that was done on copulins on the Pheromone Research Forum
but it got quickly deleted. I don't understand why it got deleted because it was on topic and revealed some very
interesting if not disturbing information about copulins. The information was like something out of a science
fiction or horror movie.
The jist of this information is that copulins make men submissive and compliant to his
mate to such a point where the female has total control over him. The female becomes able to program the male's
behavior. From the website, none of the men studied were able to slip out of this programable mode.
According to
the website, the study was conducted using 60 couples and the woman's natural copulins were used. Whenever the
couples would have intercourse, they would stay joined for longer than usual so that the copulins from the the woman
would be absorbed by the man's penis. Over a period of time, dramatic changes would take place in the men. From
reading the article, some of the male subjects became zombie-like and would no longer think for themselves but only
for their mates.
The information got me thinking... could the prolonged use of copulins by men in products such
as PCC bring about the same effects? I don't know about anyone else, but from a male's perspective this is really
creepy stuff. I have stopped using PCC because of it. copulins raise test levels , and a man would
cater to a woman when his test is levels are high. but submissive is hard to believe , maybe nice till he gets what
he wants.:LOL:
CptKipling
12-22-2004, 12:11 PM
http://www.copulins.freeservers.com/index.html
I
think this is what we were talking about.
I don't see an option to buy anything anywhere, but I might have
missed something.
Gegogi
12-22-2004, 06:48 PM
"To be brutally honest,
that is because your friend is a wuss."
Ah yes, the pussywhip. Women see guys like this in a very
different light: the pussywhip is a guy that understands the proper priorities in life and, thus, will be seriously
viewed as a possible mate. After all, he whom puts his woman above his friends is, potenially, a great family man.
The guy that be steppin' out with his brothers first is a player and pack animal and less likely to be a good
provider and protector. Either way--'whip or runnin' dog--you can't win. I sometimes alternate between the two
until I can't stand it. Once in a while I find a woman that's a dickwhip and I be steppin' out and getting laid
equally.
jvkohl
12-22-2004, 10:23 PM
http://www.copulins.freeservers.com/index.h
tml (http://www.copulins.freeservers.com/index.html)
I think this is what we were talking about.
Very similar to something I saw several
months ago, and followed up on at the time. There was some woman out there claiming academic credentials from a
non-existent university, and making up lots of complete garbage about copulins. I joined the discussion group for a
few days, and after a few comments my posts dissappeared.
Just goes to show that anyone can set up a site or
discussion group and claim whatever they want about pheromones/copulins.
For example, here's a link to a recent
report on Winnifred Cutler's published claims of the efficacy of her Athena products. No one in olfactory research
that I know of, gives her any credibility what so ever. But she's still got journal editors who are uninformed
enough to accept her junk findings as significant. So, the press has a field day with the insignificant results--and
claims are made that her products must be effective. Most people never see the reality check on this kind of
garbage. There have even been a couple claims on this forum, that her products get results.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15327919[/
url]
JVK
jvkohl
12-22-2004, 10:27 PM
Just checked to make sure if it was
the same woman: I've been banned from joining the group. If I were her, I wouldn't want anyone around who had any
knowledge of pheromones, either.
JVK
Gegogi
12-23-2004, 12:50 AM
"...the male has made the
female his primary focus-- at such a high level, for an unbroken and extended time--he has assimilated the female’s
values, character, manners and patterns... For example, a female described how she had her husband scrub the inside
of the refrigerator every Saturday morning at 8:30 AM, which he faithfully performed for 38 months without fail.*
When the refrigerator was replaced, and the old one sat on the curb for pick up, that following Saturday, the male
dutifully went out and scrubbed the old refrigerator as always, even though the appliance was now empty and destined
for the dump."
Sheesh, that is a tall tale! I especially like the part about 2 litters of copulins
getting up your shaff, traveling to your brain and turning men into refrigerator cleaning zombies! :LOL:
CptKipling
12-23-2004, 08:59 AM
Thanks for the input JVK.
chococat
12-30-2004, 05:17 PM
That site strikes me as a great
big load of crap!
It seems like the sex they participated in was nearly tantric, which indeed would have an
effect on both sexes (such intense intimacy!) Here I would speculate that lots of oxytocin was produced by both
sexes. That's my very amateur assessment of that website.
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