View Full Version : I want women to be aggressive, not submissive
poonchaser22
12-02-2004, 08:40 PM
Which mones should I use? I currently have the newbie kit (TE, Androstenol musk, and gelpaks of TE,
Chikara, and SOE) as well as my bottle of APC. I am really shy about making moves etc, so I want the women to come
after me. Which mones, and in turn, which products do I need to use? :whip:
MOBLEYC57
12-02-2004, 08:45 PM
Which mones
should I use? I currently have the newbie kit (TE, Androstenol musk, and gelpaks of TE, Chikara, and SOE) as well as
my bottle of APC. I am really shy about making moves etc, so I want the women to come after me. Which mones, and in
turn, which products do I need to use? :whip:
Whatever you do ... make sure TE or NPA is in there, but
totally depending on those to make women show interest may vary. People say that the chances of women being
aggressive enough to be the first to show signs of interest won't happen, but I'm a living witness that it does.
Surreal
12-02-2004, 08:48 PM
Bad news here.....
Women
won't simply come after you. With mones they are more acceptable to you and your mating gestures. (body language)
So when you do approach them they will imediatly give you thier full attention. (most the times)
I would use APC
on my neck, hair, wrist (or back of hands). Then use half a SoE pack along side of the APC.
Just keep useing
what you have....then spring for Perception or AE.
What is your target age range?
-S-
Gegogi
12-02-2004, 08:50 PM
It's not the 'mones but the
basic personality of the woman that determines aggressiveness. The 'mones merely enhance what's already
there. They won't make a wallflower into a nympho.
poonchaser22
12-02-2004, 08:52 PM
I'm 22, i suppose my
target range is 19-25.
TRock
12-02-2004, 09:29 PM
Which mones
should I use? I currently have the newbie kit (TE, Androstenol musk, and gelpaks of TE, Chikara, and SOE) as well as
my bottle of APC. I am really shy about making moves etc, so I want the women to come after me. Which mones, and in
turn, which products do I need to use? :whip:it's pretty rare that mones causes a woman to pursue you.
they'll be signaling with their body language for you to make a move. you're gonna have to make a move or nothing
is gonna happen most of the time.
i would rather escalate sexually and be going to fast and failing instead of
taking it slow and turn into LJBF land.
TRock
12-02-2004, 09:35 PM
i'm 22 myself. try 1-2 dabs of
te, 3 inches of soe, and chikara. i'm not sure how much chikara you should use (because of concentration problems
between batches) but i have the 2nd batch and use 2.5 sprays.
PHP 87
12-02-2004, 09:39 PM
Yeah, this stuff isn't like one of
those old "Hai Karate" commercials where you put it on and you have to fight the girls off.
Pheromones are
just one tool in your tool chest - you still must develop social skills and have some "game"
Bottom Line: You
must still approach women and have some decent "game"/social skills. Otherwise, no product will help you.
Friendly1
12-02-2004, 09:45 PM
Which mones
should I use? I currently have the newbie kit (TE, Androstenol musk, and gelpaks of TE, Chikara, and SOE) as well as
my bottle of APC. I am really shy about making moves etc, so I want the women to come after me. Which mones, and in
turn, which products do I need to use? :whip:
In my experience, the most aggressive women respond to a
mature, manly attitude.
That means, you CANNOT be shy around them. It does NOT mean you have to come on to
them. In fact, they don't want you to come on to them until they have made it clear you are welcome to do so.
The standard advice I give all the guys is:
1) Dress one level above the people around you
2) Bathe
regularly (but see DrSmellThis' posts for alternative hygiene)
3) Wear a killer cologne to cover your
pheromones
4) Wear OD-level pheromone applications
5) RELAX. Observe. RELAX. EXPECT NOTHING.
6) Learn
to read body language.
It doesn't come easy, it doesn't happen overnight, and you'll only see "magic" if you
put some time and effort into it.
Remake yourself into the kind of man women want to be with and they will
eventually be all over you. This is about personal growth, not instant change.
The pheromones HELP you adjust
yourself. They don't fix your problems for you. Only you can do that.
Good luck.
chococat
12-02-2004, 09:49 PM
Ummm, you know what I think is
one of the biggest factors in the success of these "speed seduction" books is? The way they push the "dominant/alpha
male" aspect of it all. Make the f*ing move. Learn to interpret her body language. Maybe even learn some NLP.
She'll thank you for it (secretly she will. Don't tell her!) If she feels she has to go after you, she might not
think you're even worth her time. This is especially true of women with self-esteem.
chococat
12-02-2004, 09:55 PM
Brilliant advice, Friendly!
The only part I have qualms with is where you say that "aggressive" women respond the most to
masculine/alpha/dominant males. If she likes a "manly man," in my opinion, she has self-esteem and high/decent
standards. Remember that alpha males give off the image of success in *some* area by default. My guess is that
most of you aren't searching for a "slovenly woman" in the long run.
Friendly1
12-02-2004, 10:05 PM
Brilliant
advice, Friendly! The only part I have qualms with is where you say that "aggressive" women respond the most to
masculine/alpha/dominant males. If she likes a "manly man," in my opinion, she has self-esteem and high/decent
standards. Remember that alpha males give off the image of success in *some* area by default. My guess is that most
of you aren't searching for a "slovenly woman" in the long run.
Well, there is aggressive and aggressive.
The women who all but throw themselves at me respond most to my confident attitude, but certainly raise their
eyebrows first when I am the best dressed man in the room.
The women who have LITERALLY thrown themselves at me
would probably qualify as "slovenly" by most people's standards. To be honest, I'm not sure what exactly attracts
them, as I really don't care.
A manly man who presents himself well and takes control of the situation, without
scaring the girl, can draw a good girl's naughty nature out into the open.
I think we both agree on that.
chococat
12-02-2004, 10:27 PM
A manly
man who presents himself well and takes control of the situation, without scaring the girl, can draw a good girl's
naughty nature out into the open.
I think we both agree on that.
We definitely agree on that!
These men are *definitely* what I would call "catches" and "keepers." If they can combine chivalry with confidence,
I melt. Maybe we had a misunderstanding on our definition of "aggressive woman." From my point of view, I feel
like you are saying that the "aggressive woman" (the desirable one) is the chatty, confident (yet not smug) woman
who knows what she likes and wants.
poonchaser22
12-02-2004, 10:37 PM
thanks everyone:cheers:
Gegogi
12-03-2004, 12:37 AM
Chococat purrs, "The only
part I have qualms with is where you say that "aggressive" women respond the most to masculine/alpha/dominant
males."
I agree. I'm a fairly feminine guy: professional musician, a great dresser (metromale for
lack of a better word), slight build but toned, squeaky clean and have long well manicured nails on my right hand.
Both men and women often think I'm gay or bisexual. However, I'm actually a wolf in sheep's clothing! Anyway,
aggressive women come on to me all the time, usually really hardcore. Sometimes I think they're just teasing me for
the challenge and get more than they bargained for. I frequently hear the same line about how tired they're grown
with macho types and want a gentle touch. Oddly many of these women are very athletic--often taller than me (I'm
only 5'8")--and could probably kick my ass good if they wanted. Unfortunately, most of them are married and our
"thing" never seems to last more than a few months.
Watcher
12-03-2004, 01:27 AM
THe thing is the aggressive ones
are few and far between - gotta be lucky to find a single one that is aggressive in her pursuit.
That said
again i am and others are living proof that it does happen but evne I have to make the first move 90% of the
time.
Perception helps = it has that magic advantage and some chikara
ANother one is the original DD#1
mix of 70% SOE and 30% NPA.
Gegogi
12-03-2004, 02:40 AM
Well, you usually need to tease
and flirt with them. Once enticed they're not shy about letting you know what they want. The down side to
aggressive women is they tend to be equally passionate when they get pissed off at you, so look out. Plus, often the
aggression originates from insecurity and/or selfishness, e.g., they're mainly concerned about their needs and
leave you high 'n dry after they had their fill.
Felstorm
12-03-2004, 04:07 AM
Which mones
should I use? I currently have the newbie kit (TE, Androstenol musk, and gelpaks of TE, Chikara, and SOE) as well as
my bottle of APC. I am really shy about making moves etc, so I want the women to come after me. Which mones, and in
turn, which products do I need to use? :whip: Hmm,
Well you got one thing right. You want women to
chase you, instead of the other way around. It's not that hard. But it's a challenge to learn to do none the less.
You have to be the instigator on some level. It's just been programmed into their little noggins that you be
the one to make the first move. Women are passive by nature. It's just one of those things.
Try this. (I
can't believe I'm about to write this.) Go to a bar. (Geeze I'm such a hypocrit...) Keep in mind that this is an
experiment, for research purposes only. Introduce yourself to every woman in the bar. Just your name, ask for
theirs. Regardless of their response, walk away until you are done talking to every woman in the bar. Now go plant
yourself at the bar or in a booth, and look interested in anything but women.
Some of them will eventually
be overcome by their curiosity and come over to talk with you.
Congratulations, you got women to chase you.
Start simple. Even just smiling, and waving coyly at them works.
Either way, guys usually have to
make the first move in some way. Be it eye contact, a smile, "Hi" or what have you.
Well, you usually
need to tease and flirt with them. Once enticed they're not shy about letting you know what they want. The down
side to aggressive women is they tend to be equally passionate when they get pissed off at you, so look out. Plus,
often the aggression originates from insecurity and/or selfishness, e.g., they're mainly concerned about their
needs and leave you high 'n dry after they had their fill.
I find this to be true. I've seen it myself.
I've found that the ones that usually make the first move are manipulative in some way. They get angry or
upset when you play hard to get. (How dare you steal "their" game!! lol.) They ask a billion questions. Get REALLY
upset when you don't answer those questions the way they expect or desire. Usually very blunt. They wanna know all
your "vital statistics" straight away, like what you do for a living, if you wanna have kids... etc. I always feel
like I'm at a job interview around "aggressive" women.
It's fun to torment them by being evasive and
sarcastic.
Elvis
12-03-2004, 04:23 AM
People say that
the chances of women being aggressive enough to be the first to show signs of interest won't happen, but I'm a
living witness that it does.
I'm with you Mobley. Not bragging or anything, but I've had this happen
more times than I remember. I'm talking way before the days of 'mones, I only started using 'mones a few weeks
ago. Just last week (I was wearing 'mones...the day I OD'd) a 30something woman (hot) approached me saying I was
f/gorgeous (I'm not btw) and that she wanted to f/ me right now. I just ignored her because I had my mind on
someone else...but it just shows you that saying woman won't take the initiative is utter claptrap. I hope I see
her this week, hehe.
I've been physically mauled completely out of the blue by sexually assertive women, whilst
simply standing at the side of the dancefloor. Tongued-down, groped, blatant suggestion of intercourse, etc. Even
had a 3some (yes, two girls) without having to put an ounce of effort into it. I had absolutely nil intention of
making out with even one of these girls (in fact I hadn't even noticed them) then...boom! Dragged back to my pad
leaving my friend playing pool in the pub.
Of course, I like to pursue girls when I meet the right type, someone
who likes to be chased. However, there is a real satisfaction having a hot babe grab you out of nowhere and just
start making out with you.
Poonchaser, keep you eyes open, look for signs. If you've been a wallflower and
nothing's happening then move around a bit. Animate yourself and get your butt on the dancefloor, even if you're
crap like me! Don't sit on you thumbs and expect to be grabbed. However, I'm sure it'll happen someday...when you
least expect it. In the meantime, just enjoy your time, nothing more. Good luck.
Funny how men don't complain
about being attacked! If the roles were reversed we'd all be in jail. :rofl:
belgareth
12-03-2004, 04:41 AM
We definitely
agree on that! These men are *definitely* what I would call "catches" and "keepers." If they can combine chivalry
with confidence, I melt. Maybe we had a misunderstanding on our definition of "aggressive woman." From my point of
view, I feel like you are saying that the "aggressive woman" (the desirable one) is the chatty, confident (yet not
smug) woman who knows what she likes and wants.I think that's the key. My attire is always neat but casual
and never outstanding. My self confidence shows and I like to laugh and have fun. Women are not put on a pedestal
but I am a gentleman in a casual sort of way. My entire demeanor is relaxed, happy, funny and I just don't care if
anybody approves of me or not. It has worked well for me for years and still does.
We went out with a group of
about 15 people last night to dinner then a place called Pete's Dueling Piano Bar. Two baby grand pianos and a lot
of small tables. The musicians were superb and more than a little crazy; they did a rendition of Old Macdonald Had A
Farm that had people almost rolling on the floor. I think I heard two missed notes all evening and they knew almost
every song requested. Audience participation makes the place fun, put up requests and sing along. Four of us, three
women and me, sat at a table right at the stage where I could could sit back with my feet on it. I was not the
oldest, was not the best dressed, was not the tallest or the loudest and was not paying the bill but somehow got
pointed out not once but several times as the guy they assumed was in charge. This happens to me pretty often.
My point is that additude and confidence shows, it radiates from you and people notice it. If you want to attract
not just women to you but people, learn to have a good attitude and confidence in yourself.
Friendly1
12-03-2004, 08:54 AM
Well, while we all seem to
agree on attitude and confidence, we diverge on other points.
Poonchaser22, if what you are doing now isn't
working, CHANGE SOMETHING. Do anything different. And KEEP changing until you find something that works. Guys tend
to give up too easily.
If you want to put yourself into situations where women will chase you, then you have to
find situations where there are more women than men. Take any class that is mostly women. Join any group that is
mostly women. GO where the women are, and BE a man.
Even doing something that passive takes a little nerve,
patience, and practice. But I assure you, even though I only started taking dance classes just to learn how to
dance, there are classes when I am crawling with women. They run across the room to be my partner. They rearrange
their schedules to meet me in the dance clubs.
That aggression you're looking for is there (I think some of the
others have misunderstood what you're asking for). But, like several folks have said, YOU still have to do
something first: that comes down to stacking the odds heavily in your favor.
Typically, women want the men to
show that they are strong, confident, successful males. If you want to just walk into that role without having to do
a whole lot, then you have to eliminate the competition by going where there is little to no competition.
belgareth
12-03-2004, 09:34 AM
Well, while we
all seem to agree on attitude and confidence, we diverge on other points.
Poonchaser22, if what you are doing
now isn't working, CHANGE SOMETHING. Do anything different. And KEEP changing until you find something that works.
Not really disagreeing with you. If I dressed like a bum women would ignore me. The situations and the
type of people I associate with probably make a difference too. The important part is attitude and confidence;
without those the rest is a waste of time and money.
Typically, women want the men to show that
they are strong, confident, successful males. If you want to just walk into that role without having to do a whole
lot, then you have to eliminate the competition by going where there is little to no competition.
100%
true.
MOBLEYC57
12-03-2004, 12:04 PM
I'm with you
Mobley. Not bragging or anything, but I've had this happen more times than I remember. I'm talking way before the
days of 'mones, I only started using 'mones a few weeks ago. Just last week (I was wearing 'mones...the day I
OD'd) a 30something woman (hot) approached me saying I was f/gorgeous (I'm not btw) and that she wanted to f/ me
right now.
How dare you report such a thing and not say what you were wearing! :rant: Quick! Someone
grab Elvis' by the ankles! <ELVIS>:whip:
Watcher
12-03-2004, 12:51 PM
Hey elvis sounds familar of course
most of the women ive been with (with and without mones) ive had to make the move
Those few that have made
the move tend to be one night stands moreso than medium term flings.
Yes they do tend to ask a lot of
questions - and tormenting those particular gold digger types can be fun, though they tend to gte bored and move
on.
MOBLEYC57
12-03-2004, 03:54 PM
:type: Some you have to make a
move on, but there are those that you don't. Annnnd, the personalities have been different ... from those
that are normally very shy to those that are just plain aggressive.
poonchaser22
12-03-2004, 11:49 PM
Thanks again everyone. So
what are some good ways to develop my assertiveness? BTW I have a sort of preppy-metro look and I'm only 5'4, so
I come off as very non-threatening.
Watcher
12-04-2004, 03:18 AM
Of course you cuold always go the
speed seduction techniques and subconsciously program them to attack you - but that is cheating so just ignore this
comment which will self destruct within 24 hours.
Felstorm
12-04-2004, 03:39 AM
Thanks
again everyone. So what are some good ways to develop my assertiveness? BTW I have a sort of preppy-metro look and
I'm only 5'4, so I come off as very non-threatening.
Then cut the preppy crap.
If you want to be
assertive, you have to start acting assertive. I know this is hard, you are probably very used to being acquiescent.
But bear with me.
*insert tongue firmly into cheek*
Here I'll give you your magic pill to cure your lack
of assertiveness. What I am about to say is going to piss you off. I hope it pisses you off. That's the idea. Other
people, too. For that I apologise in advance, but I feel this needs to be said.
Poonchaser.
You suck with
girls.
You are a wuss.
You have no spine.
Be a man.
You are a "poonchaser". And that is all
you'll ever do with it. Chase it. I bet you probably couldn't get laid in a Cantonese whore-house if I pinned $500
to your underwear and put a sign on you that said "I'm easy.".
There.
Now you are
mad.
I had to tell you these things so you would get angry. Have I got your attention yet? Angry
at me yet? No? Imagine I am there screaming that at you over and over and over.
See, when you comfort people
when they ask for help, they tend not to change much. When you comfort someone and tell them "It'll all be okay."
it just makes them more comfortable with their state of suckatude. Why should they change?
I really do want to
help you, Poon, so I want to irritate you enough to want to change yourself.
Now that I got you angry. Maybe
you will be willing to change. I dare you to take me up on a challenge. I double dog dare you.
I hereby
challenge you to go to the mall. Every woman that meets your gaze for longer than a second, say "Hello" to them.
Pheromones should make this easier. I wish I had them when I did it. You'll feel sick at first, knot in your gut.
But you have to push past it. The first time you do it, that all goes away. Everytime you do it, it gets a bit
easier, until it becomes natural.
But remember. This will even be easier because you are angry at me for
calling you a wuss, so you'll go through with it to prove me wrong. Say to yourself, "Fuck that Felstorm guy, he
doesn't know what he's talking about! He doesn't know me. I'm gonna do it."
If you cannot do this. You will
continue to have problems with dating. And I'll keep calling you a wussy. Get your act together and act like you
have balls and a dick between your legs. Swing that wanger around some dammit.
Secondly. You need to do some
pretending. Some serious pretending. You need to pick a strong male role model. Someone that is naturally successful
with women. I chose the fictional character James Bond. First, sit and meditate on what it must be like to be him.
Imagine yourself in his skin looking through his eyes. Imagine this man being successful with a woman. Imagine him
walking up to a woman, introducing himself and getting her phone number. Do this for a week every month evey night
before bed.
This won't work unless you actually go out and do it.
Thirdly. Stop making goddamned
excuses for yourself. Stoppit now. All that excuse making and negative self-talk has gotten you here, on this forum
with me insulting your over your lack of manliness. When you catch yourself talking smack to yourself, I want you to
remember my face, and tell yourself that you are gonna show me up. For every time you catch yourself saying shit
like. "Only guys with money get chicks, or I'm ugly, too preppy, wallflower, etc..." Stop that shit NOW!
Tell yourself something like, "I am a man. I make no excuses for what I like and want. I love hot women, and hot
women love me and want to tear off my clothes.". I want you to say that ten times to yourself everytime you
catch yourself in negative self talk.
I want you to write that down on your bathroom mirror, so everyday when
you get up to look at your wussy self in the mirror you can read it to remind yourself to change who you are into
something better.
Eventually by doing this you'll wake up one day next to a "10", a used condom wrapper
sitting on your nightstand, clothes all over your room, and a funny taste in your mouth reminiscent of a fine tuna
sandwich. Remember the hair stuck between your teeth isn't for flossing.
Fourth. You need to work out if you
aren't already. If you are, you need to take martial arts to make you more aggressive and willing to fight for what
you want. If you want hot women, you have to look fit. You have to be healthy looking. You have to be at least
somewhat aggressive. Hot women don't want wussies like your current self. Why did I say, "current self"? Because I
am confident that after my mock tirade, you'll change your pussybag, Casper Milquetoast ways.
There.
I
hope this motivates you guys out there that have difficulty approaching women.
*removes tongue from cheek*
Elvis
12-04-2004, 05:37 AM
Felstorm, amen dude...f/ amen!
How dare you report such a thing and not say what you were wearing! :rant: Quick! Someone grab
Elvis' by the ankles! <ELVIS>:whip:
Mobley, that was OD night...remember I am
T.A.F.K.A.CBhoy.
TE:SPMO mix @ 1:1 ratio. Was equivalent to 2 sprays TE from 10ml atomiser. Then, I slathered on
an entire packet of Edge gelpack with some cologne.
This was one of the better moments however, the rest of the
night wasn't so good!
MOBLEYC57
12-04-2004, 06:50 AM
Felstorm, amen
dude...f/ amen!
Mobley, that was OD night...remember I am T.A.F.K.A.CBhoy.
TE:SPMO mix @ 1:1 ratio.
Was equivalent to 2 sprays TE from 10ml atomiser. Then, I slathered on an entire packet of Edge gelpack with some
cologne.
This was one of the better moments however, the rest of the night wasn't so good!
Celticbhoy!? Whaddaya doing fooling me!? And again! <Elvis>:whip:
Thanks!:thumbsup:
Elvis
12-04-2004, 07:37 AM
I had a snoop at my PC so, I've
gone deep undercover. I can feel their eyes...watching...waiting...I don't know how much longer it's gonna be safe
to continue transmission. Wait...did you hear someth..
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