View Full Version : Connection between stress and pheromones
I
have noticed by best and most obvious hits from natural pheromones alone (really the only hits I can chalk up to
being a result of natural pheromones) occur within 24 hours of being through a situation in which:
a) there
was a period of extreme stress
b) I was sweating alot
c) no showering occured until after the stress was
over
I have had amazing hits from this. The situations were all not ones I would wish on anyone, and I
looked like shit in all of them. I am posting this today because a woman in a store litterally froze for about five
seconds and went into DIHL despite the fact that I hadn't worn any synthetic mones in over a week. Even when I
gave her a smile, she was still seemingly caught off guard by the mones and was in la-la land until eventually
snapping out of it. That's just not normal.
I had just come off being sick. I was sweating alot, didn't
shower for two days until this morning, had a terrible monday night which i was up all night hurling non stop. It
was not a fun couple of days.
Now maybe the stress is just making me sweat more (or differently?) but I
wonder if any androgen production increases or decreases that improves your mones signature. I know cortisol levels
are elevated, and your A/E ratio is supposed to become more feminine, but maybe stress causes some good things.
Surreal
11-24-2004, 05:07 PM
interesting..... I can see were
that all makes perfect sense.
jvkohl
11-24-2004, 07:28 PM
Cortisol decreases
dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), the precursor of androsterone (A) and etiocholanolone (E). Because other factors come
into play in the metabolism of DHEA and the A/E ratio, I can't be sure about the cortisol A/E ratio, but I think
the ratio would become less masculine. Still, the increased in perspiration might make pheromone output more
attractive to women. No way to be sure at this point.
JVK
OK, I think I know what is
happening:
"The normal reaction of the body to stress is to produce greater quantities of both cortisol and
DHEA. When the stress is gone, the body reduces its output of cortisol and DHEA to resting levels and everything is
fine. This is what happens with short episodes of stress. However, when the stress is prolonged, the body prefers to
make increasingly greater amounts of cortisol and less DHEA. How long does it take for this to occur? One study
showed that after just 28 days of continuous stress, cortisol levels had climbed to 240 percent of starting values
and DHEA had dropped to 15 percent of initial levels!"
Basically my body is producing a lot of DHEA, and
I am sweating out a lot of its waste products (pheromones). The hits are a lot better than when using synthetic
pheromones.
For the mad scientists out there, this could be very interesting in investigating the connection
between DHEA, and synthetic none use:
http://vitaminlady.com/BodyBalance/Stress.asp
jvkohl
11-24-2004, 09:54 PM
Thanks for checking this further.
The increased DHEA in short term stress could make the pheromone signature of a stressed alpha male more masculine.
A sort of fight or flight response that would indicate reproductive fitness if the choice was to stay and fight.
Women could be expected to show more interest. However, in a series of lost fights one could expect the male
pheromone signature to become less masculine with the increased cortisol and decreased DHEA, which would be a subtle
way for his scent to reflect that he was a loser: less reproductively fit.
JVK
Tiger4
11-24-2004, 11:22 PM
I have noticed by best
and most obvious hits from natural pheromones alone (really the only hits I can chalk up to being a result of
natural pheromones) occur within 24 hours of being through a situation in which:
a) there was a period of
extreme stress
b) I was sweating alot
c) no showering occured until after the stress was over
I have had
amazing hits from this. The situations were all not ones I would wish on anyone, and I looked like shit in all of
them. I am posting this today because a woman in a store litterally froze for about five seconds and went into DIHL
despite the fact that I hadn't worn any synthetic mones in over a week.
The same thing has
happened to me a number of times. I remember one time in particular when I was in school... I just found out that I
failed an exam and would have to retake a course. I really felt like crap and was angry at the world and everybody
in it. That day in a coffee shop, a drop dead gorgeous woman with shoulder length blond hair walked past me smiling
like I was a celebrity saying: "hi, how and you doing today!?" with bedroom eyes. I was so pissed off over what
happened to me that day that I ignored her. :frustrate She sat down by herself and looked like she was dying for me
to sit next to her. It was like her eyes were stuck on me.
I think the body does produce more pheromones when
we are under stress so we should diffinately be mindful of these moments and try to use them to our advantage.
Tiger4
11-24-2004, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=jvkohl]Thanks for checking
this further. The increased DHEA in short term stress could make the pheromone signature of a stressed alpha male
more masculine. A sort of fight or flight response that would indicate reproductive fitness if the choice was to
stay and fight. Women could be expected to show more interest. However, in a series of lost fights one could expect
the male pheromone signature to become less masculine with the increased ... cortisol and decreased DHEA, which
would be a subtle way for his scent to reflect that he was a loser: less reproductively fit.
JVK
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I don't know, but it seems as
though it matters less whether or not he was the loser than his overall MHC signature and how different that is from
the female who smells him. A man in tip top physical condition could have string of losing fights. Yet a man in
poor physical condition could have a good record knocking people out in tough man contests. The man who is in poor
physical condition is obviously not the one who's more reproductively fit.
He was more so talking under perfect
conditions.
Yea, you would have instances where alpha and beta males were mixed up by women - you can even
have stress under flight conditions, although under perfect conditions, the idea is that flight is a choice to
escape a stressful situation for a less stressful one.
It is flawed short term because the DHEA increase
isn't to show who the more reproductively fit man is, it is for the purposes of dealing with the stress. The rest
is just a byproduct. In the long term though, the more reproductively fit man will have more DHEA, and evolution
tends to point us in the "on average" direction when looking for the staples of successful human
beings.
Good post on the test story, it certainly feels odd to have women oggling over you after dealing
with negative situations.
CptKipling
11-25-2004, 09:46 AM
I think we linked adrenalin to
a spike in pheromone production and release (a few studies use an adrenalin injection as a primer to allow samples
of sweat to be taken).
I'm confident that short term stress does prime the body for fight or flight, and
indicates a "challenge".
SweetBrenda
11-25-2004, 09:53 AM
I think we linked adrenalin to a spike in pheromone production and release (a few studies use an adrenalin injection as a primer to allow samples of sweat to be taken).
I'm confident that short term stress does prime the body for fight or flight, and indicates a "challenge".I Think you're very correct Cptkipling.
Interesting! Thanks,
cpting.
I'm pretty sure my cases weren't a result of a prior adrenaline release. I never felt any rushes
during my times of stress, their were no immediate choices or ends in sight to the situation, my heart rate did not
increase, and my mind and my awareness seemed to drift into space rather than increase in alertness. I guess that
is because my stresses were not related to fight or flight situations as neither of those options would have ended
the stress.
CptKipling
11-25-2004, 12:00 PM
Yeah, I suppose there are
diffenent types of stress.
iirc, we suspected that the adrenalin led to an unnaturally high -none level, which
led me to suspect that -none is in fact a fight or flight pheromone. We should also not forget that feelings of
excitment (such as lust) and doing something like engaging in foreplay can cause an adrenalin release.
jvkohl
11-25-2004, 05:50 PM
A man in tip top
physical condition could have string of losing fights. Yet a man in poor physical condition could have a good
record knocking people out in tough man contests. The man who is in poor physical condition is obviously not the
one who's more reproductively fit.
I've been placed in situations where I went up against men who
would appear to be more reproductively fit than I am (taller/bigger and probably stronger). Still, I never got too
stressed since most signs of aggression typically don't result in physical fighting. Only rarely has a situation
become violent. Knowledge that I can do well in a fight (I've had enough martial arts training) might have been
sufficient to help ensure things didn't escalate. Like dogs, humans can smell fear, and when an opponent doesn't
find you to be fearfull, he's more apt to have second thoughts, and possibly become more stressed. An adrenal
response happens very quickly. Additionally, martial arts training ensures that you are always aware an opponent
could be better trained, or in better condition at the time of the encounter. I'm sure that's why I won't be the
one to escalate any encounter, even though I typically won't back down. Most of all though, I try to avoid
situations with a likelihood of confrontation. Only problem is biker bars when most of the others are drunk (and
some are obnoxious).
JVK
OK, I think I know what is
happening:
"The normal reaction of the body to stress is to produce greater quantities of both cortisol and
DHEA. When the stress is gone, the body reduces its output of cortisol and DHEA to resting levels and everything is
fine. This is what happens with short episodes of stress. However, when the stress is prolonged, the body prefers to
make increasingly greater amounts of cortisol and less DHEA. How long does it take for this to occur? One study
showed that after just 28 days of continuous stress, cortisol levels had climbed to 240 percent of starting values
and DHEA had dropped to 15 percent of initial levels!"
Basically my body is producing a lot of DHEA, and
I am sweating out a lot of its waste products (pheromones). The hits are a lot better than when using synthetic
pheromones.
For the mad scientists out there, this could be very interesting in investigating the connection
between DHEA, and synthetic none
use:
http://vitaminlady.com/BodyBalance/Stress.asp
Was reading this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1965467
in which jets coach herm edwards
says:
"Generally when guys get sick they have good games," said Edwards, who also is under the weather. "I
thought one time Michael Jordan got sick and he had, what, 100 points or something like that? Maybe that's a good
sign when guys get sick."
This is very true...hardcore sports fans will tell you this. I don't think anyone
quite understood it.
Reading the article tonight and then remember this thread, I guess it makes sense.
Increase in DHEA ---> more testosterone, better performance?
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