View Full Version : Cologne Extender
Recently, the possbility
of BDC Concepts releasing a their water-based matrix which extends the release of the perception pheromones into a
seperate product was discussed. It would just be the water based matrix itself, so that we could spray it on top
of our colognes, and the scents would last far far longer.
BDC came out and said they were interested in the
idea, but they'd have to know their was ample demand to release such a product.
Are you interested? Please
let BDC know here that you'd like such a product.
watcher27944
11-07-2004, 08:49 AM
would that not work the
same way on the other mones as it works on perception, soe, te, ae?
Yea, but you'd still have the
transdermal absorbtion with those products which leads to build-up. But as far as extended release, yes, you'd get
extended release on whatever you'd put on it - a steady diffusion throughout the day.
watcher27944
11-07-2004, 09:14 AM
That sounds like it would
make your supply of mones last longer, That`s a good thing I think.
Snoopy
11-07-2004, 09:16 AM
I'd buy it.
Indigo
11-07-2004, 09:23 AM
If the matriy would really work
like that... perhaps intersesting. Would depend on the price of the product!
cuddlebear
11-07-2004, 11:23 AM
There is no question
whatsoever that I would support this product ... There is none other like it on the market now ... This could be
used with any Love Scent product as well as any traditional cologne ...
Phattio
11-08-2004, 10:06 AM
I'd definitely purchase this
matrix product to 'lock in' what I had applied for longer periods of time. It's Pher. XR... :)
Darkman84
11-09-2004, 12:00 AM
I second, third or fourth
that. Need support for the idea, you'll get it.
real_wiseman
11-09-2004, 05:21 AM
Wouldn't this mess with a
colognes "scent-pyramid", ie messing the rate of how the different notes in the cologne would be released?
As
the notes more or less AFAIU is defined on a molecular level, (ie a basenote have heavier molecules than a middle
note which in turn is heavier than a topnote, creating the release pattern of topnotes -> middlenotes -> basenotes
-> drydown), wouldn't this "delaying" product mess with this scheme, altering the scent?
What I mean is that
if the "protective layer" is sprayed over a regular scent, this would probably not just delay the release of the
scent-molecules, but perhaps also mess with the releaserate of the different notes, thus altering the
scent.
// W
Realwiseman, wouldn't the top notes
still diffuse quicker, as they are lighter molecules? I don't think it would mess with the scheme at all. The
people who used perception over their cologne didn't seem to think it smelled differently, at least.
real_wiseman
11-09-2004, 08:36 AM
They probably would diffuse
quicker, I was more thinking of the overall "signature" of a scent.
But you are probably right, since people
have tested Perception over a regular cologne.
I would be interesting though to have a cologne one day and noting
the development of the scent and another day with Perception over and compare the scents.
I might even try
this myself someday.
Will keep you posted.
// w
HK45Mark23
11-09-2004, 11:11 AM
Would you have to spray it over top of your cologne and pheromones? Could you mix the two products
together instead of spraying one over the other? What ratio would be necessary? Would 9 parts pheromones to 1 part
matrix be a sufficient amount to time release the product hence extending the pheromone release evening out the
pheromone signature. What would be the difference in mixing the matrix at home and the process conducted in the
lab. How would that result in the laboratory product not being susceptible to transdermal take up and easy removal?
Preventing build up and sustained release is the reason for the laboratory product. The advertisement says the
polymer is the carrier that time releases the pheromone and prevents transdermal up take. Is this matrix not the
polymer referred to? :think:
Thanks
HK45Mark23
The water base carrier prevents the
stuff from sinking into lower levels of skin like a alcohol or oil would. The matrix just locks up the mones/scent,
and then steadily releases the molecules.
I am not sure if we've been getting our language wrong on this
end, but I know that the thing that locks it in isn't the same as what prevents absorbtion like alcohol and oil
encourages. I made this mistake once too, though, because you would think if it locks it in and prevents it from
going into the air, it would also prevent it from sinking into the skin. But it doesn't lock in immediately, takes
like 5 minutes to work, or something.
Have_Courage
11-27-2004, 10:36 AM
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Silver
11-27-2004, 03:49 PM
Question: Since the matrix binds
the molecules and releases them slowly, wouldn't that also make the -mone's and the cologne less intense? Last
longer, yes, but less intense?
That having been said, I would still be willing to try it if it weren't too
expensive and experiment with it. I think it might be something I'd like for my -mones, especially for daily wear,
but not for my perfumes, so I'd probably experiment with putting the mones on, the matrix, and then the perfumes
over it.
CptKipling
11-28-2004, 12:11 PM
Maybe not, because it also
stops the molecules from being absorbed into your skin.
InternationalPlayboy
04-18-2005, 07:17 AM
At this late date, I
want to put in my vote. I would buy the non-pheromone extender too.
If anyone is interested in the
cologne extender, you can purchase Carbomer 940 (not sold here)
Gegogi
04-18-2005, 07:34 PM
It would be easier, and probably
cheaper, to just refresh your cologne. I carry a small atomizer at all times with a cologne/NPA/A-1 mix. Although
Perception helps extend cologne life, it's expensive. Plus, preserved cologne is much weaker smelling than if you
simply sprayed more on.
BDC_Concepts
04-20-2005, 06:05 PM
If anyone is
interested in the cologne extender, you can purchase Carbomer 940 (not sold here)
Carbomer of any
type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released properties of Perception and it's
matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit, but it's not going to directly
effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit working on some other projects, but we
still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your wish.
jollysnowdevil
04-20-2005, 07:14 PM
i have to vote no on this
one. now if BDC wanted to sell its cover scent to perception seperately, than id say i want 10 bottles. cologne
extender in theory its good but camon. my mones work 12hours what more can i want?
InternationalPlayboy
04-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Carbomer of any type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released
properties of Perception and it's matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit,
but it's not going to directly effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit
working on some other projects, but we still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your
wish.
Thanks for clearing that up. I did a search on "Carbomer 940" and it didn't sound like the
same thing as what creates the "cologne extension" properties in Perception. The websites I visited said it was for
thickening. It may be useful if one wanted to make their own "gel packs," but I'm not interested in that.
tounge
04-20-2005, 09:08 PM
It would be easier,
and probably cheaper, to just refresh your cologne. Although Perception helps extend cologne life, it's expensive.
Plus, preserved cologne is much weaker smelling than if you simply sprayed more on.
Sometimes lifes answers are just to simple to see.
MOBLEYC57
04-21-2005, 05:57 AM
Sometimes lifes
answers are just too simple to see.Would'ja mind if I second that? :blink:
Carbomer of any
type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released properties of Perception and it's
matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit, but it's not going to directly
effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit working on some other projects, but we
still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your wish.
Look who's back!
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
04-22-2005, 08:32 AM
Look
who's back!
...we never left! :) We've just been extremely busy cooking up the next generation of
products.
Be on the lookout for the upcoming release...I'm sure the new products will absolutely blow your
socks off in terms of performance and price.
As an executive summary of our direction and focus:
1.
Pheromone ratio is fine
2. Polymer matrix rocks
3. Atomizers suck
The matrix has been reformulated to
enhance the time released characteristics and also be more flexible for use with other products. The main drawback
to the previous formula is that alcohol addition (mostly from cologne application) would tend to decrease the
effectiveness. We've buffered this effect and the next generation matrix should prove to be much better when
combined with *insert alcohol based cologne name*.
Bobby
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