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private
11-04-2004, 08:57 AM
Hello,
Quite interessting
reading the board.
I saw some posts about overdosing AndrosteNONE, and people got negative responses.
I am
interessting what about overdosing AndrosteNOL ?
That Pheromone is not used for showing male dominanz, so i guess
there won't be bad experience.
Got today Pheromania 4Match Man Pocket Spray
It has 7ml content, and according
to the supplier 16% of it is an AndostreNOL concentrate.
According to my last talk with the Supplier the Amount of
AndrosteNOL is one quarter of what is contained into Pheromax product.
So according to my information Pheromax
product contains 3mg AndrosteNONE and 2mg AndrosteNOL per 14ml bottle.
AndrosteNOL 2mg / 14ml = 0,14 mg/ml
So
4Match Man Pocket Spray contains approx. 0,035mg/ml multiplying with 7ml = 0,245mg AndrosteNOL
Anyone every
tried to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?
-private
MOBLEYC57
11-04-2004, 11:36 AM
Hello,
Quite
interessting reading the board.
I saw some posts about overdosing AndrosteNONE, and people got negative
responses.
I am interessting what about overdosing AndrosteNOL ?
That Pheromone is not used for showing male
dominanz, so i guess there won't be bad experience.
Got today Pheromania 4Match Man Pocket Spray
It has 7ml
content, and according to the supplier 16% of it is an AndostreNOL concentrate.
According to my last talk with the
Supplier the Amount of AndrosteNOL is one quarter of what is contained into Pheromax product.
So according to my
information Pheromax product contains 3mg AndrosteNONE and 2mg AndrosteNOL per 14ml bottle.
AndrosteNOL 2mg / 14ml
= 0,14 mg/ml
So 4Match Man Pocket Spray contains approx. 0,035mg/ml multiplying with 7ml = 0,245mg AndrosteNOL
Anyone every tried to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?
-privatePrivate,
you have Pherlure and Pheromania 4Match spray? Why don't you just experiment, and let us know ... Bruce could be
missing out on a gold mine, since he sells neither? :thumbsup:
private
11-04-2004, 11:46 AM
Private, you
have Pherlure and Pheromania 4Match spray? Why don't you just experiment, and let us know ... Bruce could be
missing out on a gold mine, since he sells neither? :thumbsup:
Well I doubt he looses anything.
Basicly
Pherlure is nice, because it is only AndrosteNONE
and Pheromania 4Match is just AndrosteNOL
there are no hidden
stuffs in it. So it is nice to just experiment with it, knowning what I put on my body.
Any other product having
the same thing into it, will be fine.
-private
BassMan
11-04-2004, 11:59 AM
Anyone every tried
to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?
-privateThere have been talks of
headaches from nol ODs. Nothing too serious.
Some points of reference:
AE is 4 none:3 nol:2 rone. If you
applied a 0.020mg dose of none, you'd have 0.015mg of nol.
Perception is 4 nol:2 none:2 rone. If you applied
the recommended dose of 0.020mg of none, you'd have 0.040mg of nol.
SOE contains 0.400mg/ml of nol, and has
been measured at 28inches/ml. At a commonly recommended 5inch dose, you'd have 0.071mg of nol.
SOE gel contains
0.13mg of nol per pack. At a recommended dose of 1/3 pack, you'd have 0.041mg nol.
That help?
-Bass
Pancho1188
11-04-2004, 12:04 PM
ODing on -nol is known to
occasionally cause the following:
-Headaches
-Downness ("Depression", but in the layperson form...not clinical
depression)
-Sadness
-Overtalkativeness
-May cause isolation if the OD brings others down because they won't
want to be around you
-Nothing (as in negates the positive effects you should experience with -nol)
However, it
is hard to OD on -nol and less is written about it than -none ODs.
private
11-04-2004, 12:23 PM
There have been
talks of headaches from nol ODs. Nothing too serious.
Some points of reference:
AE is 4 none:3 nol:2 rone.
If you applied a 0.020mg dose of none, you'd have 0.015mg of nol.
Perception is 4 nol:2 none:2 rone. If you
applied the recommended dose of 0.020mg of none, you'd have 0.040mg of nol.
SOE contains 0.400mg/ml of nol, and
has been measured at 28inches/ml. At a commonly recommended 5inch dose, you'd have 0.071mg of nol.
SOE gel
contains 0.13mg of nol per pack. At a recommended dose of 1/3 pack, you'd have 0.041mg nol.
That help?
-BassThanks Bass.
So if for SOE recommends 0,041mg - 0,071mg of nol, and i take the higher number 0,071mg
of nol
That would mean ...
1 spray at a such small spray should be around 0,08 ml/spray
To reach 1 ml out of
the spray i need 12-13 sprays
1 ml contains around 0,035mg nol
So i need to apply 2ml. which would then be 24-26
sprays for a "normal" dosis.
does that make sense?
-private
DrSmellThis
11-04-2004, 01:13 PM
Overconversion to unpleasant
mones (e.g., -none) is another downside of too much -nol.
private
11-04-2004, 01:16 PM
Overconversion to unpleasant mones (e.g., -none) is another downside of too much -nol.
mhhh so in other words -nol destructs to some part to -none ??
Never heard that. I thought i just apply what is
into the bottle. there is only -nol included into that bottle.
So what you are saying is that when i put -nol on
there will be -none too, even if it is not included into the bottle???
DrSmellThis
11-04-2004, 01:24 PM
Sounds like you get it.
That's why I keep straight -nol away from more bacterial areas, and just use as much as I need.
private
11-04-2004, 01:26 PM
Sounds like
you get it. That's why I keep straight -nol away from more bacterial areas, and just use as much as I need.
very interessting, it means the chemical structure of -nol is weak and due to outside influences it can break down
to -none.
Thanks for the hint!
BassMan
11-04-2004, 02:14 PM
Thanks Bass.
So if
for SOE recommends 0,041mg - 0,071mg of nol, and i take the higher number 0,071mg of nol
That would mean ...
1
spray at a such small spray should be around 0,08 ml/spray
To reach 1 ml out of the spray i need 12-13 sprays
1
ml contains around 0,035mg nol
So i need to apply 2ml. which would then be 24-26 sprays for a "normal" dosis.
does that make sense?
-privateIf indeed that product contains 0.035mg/ml, you're going to use it up
fast. I'd use 5-6 sprays - 0.018mg, at the bottom of the 15-71 range - to start, then work up from there. By the
time you use it up, you can get a higher conc product on order from here.
private
11-04-2004, 02:21 PM
If indeed that
product contains 0.035mg/ml, you're going to use it up fast. I'd use 5-6 sprays - 0.018mg, at the bottom of the
15-71 range - to start, then work up from there. By the time you use it up, you can get a higher conc product on
order from here.
which one do you recommend for my -nol dosis? i guess SOE?
BassMan
11-04-2004, 02:26 PM
which one do you
recommend for my -nol dosis? i guess SOE?Everyone here has their own favorite. I use chem set nol, but I
make rather complicated mixes.
private
11-04-2004, 05:49 PM
inspired by this thread, i went
today for a bit to the disco. to try out a bit the dose.
I spray 20 times from the 4Match spray, which should have
resulted in around 0,056mg -nol. (I used no -none!)
I found it quite nice to have a such not concentrated spray, as
i could put it on all parts that are not covered by clothes.
Here is what i noticed :
Took a Corona Beer and
the Barkeeper was kind of lost, he was waiting for like 5 seconds thinking on what he forgot, and then he just gave
me the beer without the lemon. Very Strange. Never saw a Barkeeper this dis-orientated.
Then i was on the dance
floor, i noticed girls around half a meter away from me to put their hair back from time to time.
Then i had one
girl dancing in front of me, and she always came a bit nearer.
Really not sure if this is the result of the
sprays i took, or if that would have happend without the -nol too ...
i still do not fully trust this, need to see
first real results. no hit so far. will keep you updated.
-private
private
11-05-2004, 07:38 PM
2nd day testing.
Showered
myself, to make sure the previous day pheromones are washed off.
Then i sprayed 20 times again with the same -nol
stuff.
I noticed that i am not fully spraying each time, so i guess i should have a real concentration of 0,050mg
-nol only.
Then i went to a disco, was all going fine, waitress noticed me right away, and was nice.
Ok went to
the next disco.
Picked up a tramping girl, and after a bit she really got chatty. That was kind of interessting -
just her boyfriend was with her ...
Then in front of that disco the door keeper did not let me in. Was kind of
strange, I wore the same stuff like last time i went there, but this time he did not like it, and refused the
entrance.
Still testing, is it normal that men react in a such way??
-private
bigdog
11-05-2004, 08:29 PM
You could have a none OD. A
shower will not necessarily rid the mones applied from the previous day. Especially if the nol converted to
none.
People can act different day to day regardless of Pheromones. Especially many bar employees which
can be big doofuses. I have ran into a number of instances when bouncers and bar patrons have sensed the none from
me and have tried to act really tough. It's as if they sense high masculinity and are out to prove a point that are
the king of the establishment. It's kinda like the jungle when male lions battle for their territory and female.
private
11-06-2004, 01:12 AM
You could have a
none OD. A shower will not necessarily rid the mones applied from the previous day. Especially if the nol converted
to none.
People can act different day to day regardless of Pheromones. Especially many bar employees which
can be big doofuses. I have ran into a number of instances when bouncers and bar patrons have sensed the none from
me and have tried to act really tough. It's as if they sense high masculinity and are out to prove a point that are
the king of the establishment. It's kinda like the jungle when male lions battle for their territory and
female.i had the pheromones on my skin, and not on my clothes, so afterall on the skin they last for like 8
hours, also i used around 0,05-0,07 mg -nol.
The question is just how -nol breaks to -none. If it is not 1 -nol
Molecule breaks down to 2 -none Molecules then i doubt that could be an overdose?
Please correct me if i am wrong,
but according to my research a level of 0,12mg+ -none would be an OD?
Mhhh ... I should add that i am 22 years old
... so maybe my body -mones production is possibly into the best times and i can more easily OD it. just a
thought.
On the other side that girl was really nice talking with me, even she had her boyfriend with her. That
was a good positive effect for me. I could smell that she has had something to drink before. With a -nol/-none OD
she would have been more scary, instead of beeing so chatty?
-private
bigdog
11-06-2004, 01:41 AM
Too many put too much emphasis on
mones. Especially in a club where people act differently each time they go out and with alcohol involved. Mones are
a very small factor and should not be interpreted as the main reason people do what they do. I find many read too
much into mones as being the reason people act as they do but they are mistaken. A smile can be an attribute of
someone's personality. A brush against one can be accident, the alcohol or a reaction of how one feels that night.
Perhaps the person just likes the way one looks or acts mones or no mones. Too many posters attribute something as
a mone hit when it's not. If many people react a certain way out of the norm during a period than likely could be
hits. If a female basically comes up and attacks blatantly or is screaming to be picked up than that could be the
mones. There have not been many instances of these occurrences posted here.
Watcher
11-06-2004, 01:36 PM
Considering pheromones on their
own (without the distorted reality views etc) they are a small view yes - but in the instances where you can OD on
ANol and real observable pheromone related responses - as mentioned above headaches especially
What about
Arone OD - well it tends to bring gay guys out of the woodwork.
But its easy enough to guage an OD of any
product people are not reacting as posivitiley as they do they may even be very negative or avoiding in which ase
you probably can tone it down a bit using less next time.
Friendly1
11-06-2004, 03:51 PM
If a female
basically comes up and attacks blatantly or is screaming to be picked up than that could be the mones. There have
not been many instances of these occurrences posted here.
Most of the guys who post are pretty
conservative in their reports. I haven't had any women chase me down the street, demanding I have sex with them,
but I have had my butt grabbed by strangers and I've been kissed by women I've only known a few hours, had women
hang all over me, rub their breasts all over me, etc., etc.
The more Androstenone I apply (I am 44 years old),
the more likely these kinds of hits will happen. But if I apply too much, nothing happens, or bad things happen.
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Watcher
11-07-2004, 02:34 AM
at 44 you probably need more than
say myself who is mid 20s so that has a point.
But yes we tend to be conservative because women chasing me
down the street has only happened 4 or 5 times in 7 years of using pheromones
Occasionally they ask me to
fcuk em and the usually kissing, cuddling and fondling of my bottom and other areas. But also remember i use
pheromones all the time and actually get out socially a fairly sizeable chunk of my time. So i get the scatter
approach where i get to interact with a lot of females and that leads to more occarenses of pheromone
reactions.
Then of course there is the ones that wont shut up - persist on talking to me, hanging around
without talking to me - get the gigles if i hang around - they might not realise its me but they start talking
excessivley - the hairflipping foot tapping etc on subconscious body language not to mention aggressive or over
friendly guys - gay guys cracking onto me - idiot males with their cock balling moves if im chatting to an
attractive girl - what else free drinks - useful investment tips, offers of free massages, then of course there are
the increased sales while working in retail. Ok to much to go on about but 7 years and using them all the time i
can live without em but they are what i prefer to call
A social lubricant.
private
11-07-2004, 04:30 AM
at 44 you
probably need more than say myself who is mid 20s so that has a point.
But yes we tend to be conservative
because women chasing me down the street has only happened 4 or 5 times in 7 years of using pheromones
Occasionally they ask me to fcuk em and the usually kissing, cuddling and fondling of my bottom and other areas.
But also remember i use pheromones all the time and actually get out socially a fairly sizeable chunk of my time. So
i get the scatter approach where i get to interact with a lot of females and that leads to more occarenses of
pheromone reactions.
Then of course there is the ones that wont shut up - persist on talking to me, hanging
around without talking to me - get the gigles if i hang around - they might not realise its me but they start
talking excessivley - the hairflipping foot tapping etc on subconscious body language not to mention aggressive or
over friendly guys - gay guys cracking onto me - idiot males with their cock balling moves if im chatting to an
attractive girl - what else free drinks - useful investment tips, offers of free massages, then of course there are
the increased sales while working in retail. Ok to much to go on about but 7 years and using them all the time i can
live without em but they are what i prefer to call
A social lubricant.
Well yesterday i think i had
some success with mones. I was having a business meeting with some collegues of me in a bar, and there was this girl
always starring at me, and showing a bright smile. That did not happen to me for a long time. But not sure if that
was really the -mones ... she was like 2-3 meters away from me, i doubt she would smell it from there, although
there was not much people there, and few smoke into the air.
Watcher, You appear to be into same age range as
me. My personally opinion on the mones is that it depends a lot on the age on what you need, as the body produces
himself more mones with mid 20 than with mid 40 for example.
For a daily usage, what is your mix?
Friendly1
11-07-2004, 07:20 AM
But not sure if
that was really the -mones ... she was like 2-3 meters away from me, i doubt she would smell it from there, although
there was not much people there, and few smoke into the air.2-3 meters is close enough for a pheromone
effect. I swear, there are times when I am in my car, with the windows rolled up, and I get looks from women in
cars next to me, or walking down the street, that I just don't recall getting before I started wearing
pheromones.
The more you get out and socialize, the more hits you are bound to get.
2-3 meters is close
enough for a pheromone effect. I swear, there are times when I am in my car, with the windows rolled up, and I get
looks from women in cars next to me, or walking down the street, that I just don't recall getting before I started
wearing pheromones.
The more you get out and socialize, the more hits you are bound to get.
I
hear you on that. Wierd, right? It was talked about on these forums a while back ago and I think we came up with a
reasonable conclusion. I think it was body language. But maybe there was something else.
Traggard
11-07-2004, 08:23 AM
In my experience the effective
range of mones is about 0.5 meters or so. For instance, I had a hit on a train where a girl reacted not all when she
sat about 1.5 meters away and I was in her line of vision the whole time. But she started to play with her hair like
crazy when she had to change seat and sit closer to me.
If you get hits from several meters away I think it is
body language or looks.
Friendly1
11-11-2004, 10:14 AM
In my
experience the effective range of mones is about 0.5 meters or so. For instance, I had a hit on a train where a girl
reacted not all when she sat about 1.5 meters away and I was in her line of vision the whole time. But she started
to play with her hair like crazy when she had to change seat and sit closer to me.
A lot of things can
affect a person's behavior.
Women will stop and stare at guys wearing strong pheromone applications in a range
of about 10-15 feet. It has happened to me and I have seen other guys report it. So, proximity matters but other
factor also apply. If you are in a large crowd, your pheromone signature won't stand out as much (unless you go
for OD or near-OD).
I went to Elvia's here in Houston (I moved back) last night and had plenty of hits from
women near me but none (that I noticed) from women across the room.
Watcher
11-11-2004, 12:23 PM
Private at the moment by mix
is
Perception 2-3 sprays in the morning(1 on the head, 1 on throat and 1 on front of shirt)
No chikara
today (have been using a small amount under my nose)
Its very hot where i am so that is the max
1 refresher
spray on my throat around lunch.
Thats it at the moment just using up my bottle of perception giving it a
good work - it is one of the better products in terms of effectivness for myself.
reactions are consistant
and at times stronger than normal.
(im mid 20s age wise)
private
11-11-2004, 12:31 PM
Private at the
moment by mix is
Perception 2-3 sprays in the morning(1 on the head, 1 on throat and 1 on front of shirt)
No
chikara today (have been using a small amount under my nose)
Its very hot where i am so that is the max
1
refresher spray on my throat around lunch.
Thats it at the moment just using up my bottle of perception giving
it a good work - it is one of the better products in terms of effectivness for myself.
reactions are consistant
and at times stronger than normal.
(im mid 20s age wise)
Thanks for the info.
You lucky guy, here it is
snowing ... had already today alone 30cm new snow outside.
So it is cold. Kind of hard to apply -mones when you
have to wear a lot because it is cold outside.
According to what you said you apply less when its hot and more when
its cold?
-private
eric_pelletier_tw
11-11-2004, 05:45 PM
well need to test
more... but i got pee smell from SoE Gel/men at about a drop of the thing (verry smal one1x2x2mm) & i have put as
much as 1/4 pk of TE scented/gel/men
i kinda think this is wierd: im 27 male looking avg [hetero]
like i
saw somwhere: results may vary[so does reactions...]
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