Rudy Blames Troops?!?!?

[Pancho1188]

Did anyone

see/read about Rudy blaming the troops for not finding the WMDs? The man who praised the fire fighters and police

officers (our internal version of 'troops', if you will be so kind as to accept my analogy) during WTC recovery

blamed the troops when defending the President's actions in Iraq?

I haven't heard "passing the buck" like that

since Ashlee Simpson blamed her band on SNL! :rofl:

[DrSmellThis]

Didn't see it. When stuff

like this hits the news it usually indicates a remark taken out of context and twisted, like when Bush said Kerry

was disrespecting Poland. I don't like when either side does it. That would seem out of character for Rudy.

[Pancho1188]

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Democrats jumped on former New

York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani

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Giuliani)), who has been campaigning with Bush, for saying the president was

not to blame for the missing explosives and pointing the finger at U.S. troops one day after Republicans said Kerry

was blaming the troops.

"No matter how you try and blame it on the president, the actual responsibility for it

really would be for the troops who were there. Did they search carefully enough, didn't they search carefully

enough?" Giuliani said on NBC's "Today" show. Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards

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George Bush didn't do his job."

[Friendly1]

And what was George Bush's

job? To stand at the border and inspect every vehicle being buried in the Syrian desert?

God help us if Kerry

gets his miracle. We won't have a military left to fight the next war, we won't have any way of tracking down Al

Qaida, and we won't have the money to pay for rebuilding the military after he has been booted out of office in

2008.

But we'll have plenty of material for the Tonight Show, Saturday Night Live, and Comedy Central to keep

audiences laughing (in between scandals) for years to come.

How will John Kerry win the war on terror? Maybe

he'll join the terrorists and tell everyone America made a big mistake.

[DrSmellThis]

Let's focus on just the

facts. John Kerry is already a terrorist. ;) He wants nothing more than to elimenate the military and let Al

Qaeda go. On the other hand, gotta admire that "single minded," Bushian steely eyed focus on Bin Laden! He's been

watching him closely ever since Tora Bora a couple years ago. "Yep, there he is, Osama Bin Laden, in

Pakistan, the same place he was when he slipped across the border!" And Kerry wants to reverse all that Bushian

frugality and go Back to Clintonian big spending! And Kerry will never be a real man and take

responsiblity for his mistakes like Bush obviously is. :rofl: He'll probably get blowjobs like Clinton, lie about

them, and then where will our country be? :lol: Yes and God help us! If Kerry gets elected God will no longer be

directing our foreign policy.

[a.k.a.]

And what was George

Bush's job? To stand at the border and inspect every vehicle being buried in the Syrian

desert?


His job is to exercise good judgement.
When you have one army division responsible for

cleaning up over 100 munitions sights, the blame has to go to whoever planned the opperation. Rumsfeld acted against

pentagon recomendations and the commander in chief backed him up.
Soldiers don't have the authority to say "Hold

up. We can't march on to Baghdad just yet. There's some stockpiled weapons we need to clear out first." (Even

commanders on the field don't have that kind of authority under Rumsfeld's self proclaimed "revolution in

military affairs" (a techno-geek pipedream of massive, multifaceted operations centrally coordinated through

satelite dishes and computer hardware).

[Holmes]

Did anyone

see/read about Rudy blaming the troops for not finding the WMDs? The man who praised the fire fighters and police

officers (our internal version of 'troops', if you will be so kind as to accept my analogy) during WTC recovery

blamed the troops when defending the President's actions in Iraq?

I haven't heard "passing the buck" like

that since Ashlee Simpson blamed her band on SNL! :rofl:

Hey, at least Rudy didn't blame "the

band" (they were up on Cripple Creek at the time...)

Or have a hoe-down.

Seriously, though...pretty

ridiculous (if it's true).

[Pancho1188]

I think Rudy was putting the

responsibility on the troops for finding the WMDs as opposed to knowing they were there. I think his

position is that Bush knew they were there but the troops didn't find them.

Ashlee Simpson translation:



"I'm sorry! My troops started searching the wrong caves!"

I believe the "hoe-down" is the beautiful dance

that will cover this mistake.



...okay, so I've been criticizing Bush for a while. In his defense...and

to place the blame somewhere besides the troops...

Iraq is a big country. People who were born and raised in

Iraq probably know the landscape well. There is a lot of space to cover. People could have secret hiding

places anywhere for military storage (think Area 51...people had no idea if their own country had secret military

bases that tested things). Just like Bin Laden, you/weapons could hide in a cave somewhere where noone would find

you/them. Weapons don't even need food, so you could stash them there and never hear from them again ever, unlike

people that need food and communication with the outside world if you lead a large terrorist network.

Since

we're not proclaiming Iraq as a US territory, it'll never be our land and therefore we'd never have the ability

to truly examine every hole in that entire country.

[DrSmellThis]

"Weapons don't even need

food"

:lol:

[Friendly1]

His job is to

exercise good judgement.
Sorry. That dog won't hunt. Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution did the Founding

Fathers put in a requirement for good judgement.

Our leaders have led us from one disaster to another. In the

Twentieth Century alone, there was Prohibition, Isolationism, Banana Republic politics, Vietnam, and the Great

Society.

All of those things achieved some good, and some bad. All of them have been heavily criticized and

rebuked by people as "bad judgement".


When you have one army division responsible for cleaning up over

100 munitions sights, the blame has to go to whoever planned the opperation.
Only in part. The people on

the ground are still responsible for doing their jobs.

We hung plenty of Nazis at Nuremburg because of that

principle.

We're presently prosecuting and convicting dozens of soldiers and civilian contractors for the Iraqi

prison scandal.

In the United States, you don't get away with blaming everything on the boss. When the eyes

are of the world are upon you, everyone takes part of the responsibility.

That is the difference between our

form of government -- a government BY the people -- and Saddam's form of government.

We all share the burden,

we all share the responsibility. We are all accountable.

That is why we do send corrupt police officers to

prison more often than any other country in the world.

Rumsfeld's policies have been repeatedly challenged. I

am sure that, when all is said and done, he will be faulted in ways people are not currently faulting him for.

Right now, it's too soon for us to know what is going on.

The fact that we are still free to ask questions, and

have a reasonable expectation of seeing those questions answered responsibly, shows that our system is still

working.

The jack-booted thugs aren't yet standing on every street corner.

[Elk Dreamer]

Giuliani is another immoral

sleze ball in the right place at the right time to capitalize upon a national tragedy. Talk about body language, did

you see his eyes as he blamed the troops. They are all riding off into the sunset after Tuesday and that suits me

just fine.
I am sick of their crap.

Elk

[Pancho1188]

Did anyone else actually

witness this statement? I just read about it.