traffic court

[TRock]

any suggestions on

strategies to win and types of mones to wear.

[belgareth]

You probably won't be close

enough to the judge for mones to matter.

[ismellgood]

I vote for Chikara, and vote

against high -none levels.
Be a decent (not fawning) guy. Seem like a "citizen".

[Friendly1]

Pay your fine in advance and

avoid the hassle of sitting there all day long, watching other people fail to beat the system.

[TRock]

i don't mind paying a fine but

it's the points against my driving record that's a prob. plus i'm a young guy who drives fast and has gotten

tickets and into accidents before so my insurance will sky rocket.

[Mtnjim]

i don't mind paying a

fine but it's the points against my driving record that's a prob. plus i'm a young guy who drives fast and has

gotten tickets and into accidents before so my insurance will sky rocket.


Don't want to come off

like I'm flameing, but Uh! lesson learned?? :angel:

[belgareth]

It's kind of hard to be

sympathetic to your problem. Most of us have had our tickets and learned to slow down. It's cheaper and safer that

way. Not nearly as much fun but paying traffic tickets and high insurance isn't much fun either.

[TRock]

nah i completely understand, it's

like a generation gap kind of thing. i'll get it as i get older.

[Gegogi]

I drive fast all the time but

have learned to slow down where the cops hide...

[TRock]

haha that's a great way to see

things. love it.

[Mtnjim]

nah i completely

understand, it's like a generation gap kind of thing. i'll get it as i get older.

Now you're

starting to undestand the only difference between an older person and a younger one. We older ones have made the

stupid mistakes you haven't had time to get to yet!! :lol:

[belgareth]

Now you're

starting to undestand the only difference between an older person and a younger one. We older ones have made the

stupid mistakes you haven't had time to get to yet!! :lol:
And were lucky enough to live through them!

[DrSmellThis]

You want to avoid -none and A1

altogether, but wear -rone, WAGG, -nol, and whatever else.

...and always drive carefully and safely. Many of

those mistakes are very destructive and can't ever be undone by time. You could hang out at the race track ---

those guys are always cautious drivers off the track.

[koolking1]

as he says "It's a

generational thing". Try to imagine a whole world where everyone drives like you do.

[Friendly1]

Okay, here is a possibly

useless alternative suggestion. I base it on something which happened a couple of years ago, before I started

learning about body language and pheromones. This is one of those "GOD IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN!" kind of stories.



Okay, I was in an accident about three years ago. Wasn't my fault, but the way my car ended up, the cop insisted

he had to give me a ticket along with two other drivers. Well, I was living in Texas at the time, but this will

apply in several other states. It turns out that you can take a defensive driving course something like once every

ten years and get a ticket cleared. You HAVE to arrange it with the court BEFORE you go to traffic court (call your

local court to see what the rules are).

The class lasts six hours. It's long, it's boring. A lot of people

opt to take it over the Internet.

DON'T DO THAT!

Let me repeat myself: DON'T DO THAT!

Why? Okay, here

is the story.

I took the six-hour class. Signed up for a local "comedy club" version of the class. They

claimed they would make the six hours go faster with jokes. Well, the humor wasn't all that much. But the

Vietnamese girl who sat next to me -- WHOA! What a hottie!

She came into the room after most of us were seated.

There were only a few open seats left. There must have been 20-30 guys in there. The place was packed, standing

room only. So, any woman who walked into that room was instantly hit by a LOT of pheromones and had her choice of

men to flirt with.

This girl came up to the front of the class and sat down next to me.

In fact, she almost

sat ON me. Now, this was BEFORE I started using pheromones. I was wearing blue jeans, a golf shirt (maybe a

t-shirt), and running shoes. Nothing fancy.

She struck up a conversation with me before the class and during

the breaks. I sensed she was interested but I didn't feel like it would be appropriate to suggest anything (I

forget why -- I was probably too new to the area or something).

When it came time for lunch, the girl had been

sitting with her hip against mine for almost an hour. I mean, there was as much full physical contact between us as

she could manage to make. She would go out of her way to turn so her back would rub up against me. Her arms all

but laid across mine.

At lunch, I asked a few people if they could recommend a cheap fast-food spot close by.

She recommended Burger King. I asked if she would be going there and she said, "No". I knew right there I had

blown an opportunity.

Wasn't really looking for an opportunity, mind you. I was just there to get the class

out of the way. I should have suggested we have lunch together, so I could get to know her better. But I didn't.

And I regretted NOT taking that step.

So, the moral of the story: if you have a traffic ticket, USE it to your

advantage. If you are in a state that lets you take that dumb class, then find a "comedy club" class and wear your

best clothes and wear your pheromones and hope for the best.

The class will probably be hot, crowded, long, and

boring. Get there early and try to get a good seat. Let the women see you.

At the very least, you should get a

discount on your insurance AND you may get out of a ticket. At best, you'll meet Miss Right, or at least Miss

Right Now.

[CollegeStudent]

At best,

you'll meet Miss Right, or at least Miss Right Now.

Too bad Ms. Right cant drive.

[eric_pelletier_tw]

I'm 26 drive more

carfully! that is all there is to this ... wana race? goto the track there is none? make a group to push for that in

the neiborhood or somthing... stop acting like a moron act like the guy you are whith a brain in his head...want to

impress girls ? be a F1 /Indy driver :P

-----------------------
my mottho: if you think i drive like a crazy

the step out the walkway! :)

[Pancho1188]

Pay your fine

in advance and avoid the hassle of sitting there all day long, watching other people fail to beat the

system.
That's not entirely true. Actually, most people just pay their fine...my dad always fights...and

he has won 4 out of 5 that I know of. Most police officers don't bother to show. The only caveat: wasted day off,

gas to go to the court and back, and my dad studies the topic thoroughly so he knows how to win his argument. If

you're not willing to do that, don't waste your time.

[tounge]

i'll get it as i get

older.




Driving like that, you may not get older. And let's hope you don't deny

someone else the opportunity to get older.

[phersurf]

You might want to read this. It

got my freind out of a

ticket.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965561089/qid=1096395847/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1

_xgl14/104-4734278-8602345?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Then after you try to beat this one...stop driving

like an idiot before you kill someone!

[TRock]

thanks for the help guys. i just

want to say that i'm not a bad driver. only 1 accident was deemed my fault by the cops. tickets are all about

getting revenue, they're not about safety at all. doing 85 in the fast lane with while other cars are doing 85 is

not dangerous. now cutting lanes back and forth all the time is different. if ticketing was about safety then radar

detectors would be illegal. if i was smart enough to buy a radar detector i would never had gotten a ticket.

[Friendly1]

Having wallked away from

several front-end collisions, let me assure you that 85 MPH is more than enough to kill you. Don't assume the

tickets are all about revenues. They are not.

That said, if you go to court, be sure to concentrate on using

your body language to seem friendly and law-abiding before the judge.

And every time I went to court, hoping the

officer wouldn't show up, HE DID.

Your mileage may vary.

[Pancho1188]

thanks for the

help guys. i just want to say that i'm not a bad driver. only 1 accident was deemed my fault by the cops. tickets

are all about getting revenue, they're not about safety at all. doing 85 in the fast lane with while other cars are

doing 85 is not dangerous. now cutting lanes back and forth all the time is different. if ticketing was about safety

then radar detectors would be illegal. if i was smart enough to buy a radar detector i would never had gotten a

ticket.
Radar detectors are illegal... (in CA and many other states, at least)

That said,

European vehicles do 100 easy, and they have less accidents than the US...you could attribute that to the roads or

to the fact that they're smarter than Americans... :rasp:

[belgareth]

A lot depends on the drivers.

Depending on where you are, road manners vary tremendously. Here in the Dallas area they have some of the worst

manners I've ever seen resulting in a greater percentage of the drivers being in accidents than other places with

far more traffic. Driving with the flow of traffic and not driving aggressively would help prevent a lot of bad

wrecks.

[TRock]

Radar detectors

are illegal... (in CA and many other states, at least)

That said, European vehicles do 100 easy, and they

have less accidents than the US...you could attribute that to the roads or to the fact that they're smarter than

Americans... :rasp:
i've been to cali this summer. the traffic is so heavy there, you can't even speed

and if u did, it would be unsafe.i agree with belgareth, i'm talking about doing 85 in the fast line with the flow

of traffic. if anybody's been to the jersey turnpike guys in their luxury sports car regulary do 100+ on a sunday

morning with empty road. it's not really about the speed but more about the skill of the driver. and yeah europeans

are smarter than americans, that also helps.

[XySen]

Radar detectors

are illegal... (in CA and many other states, at least)

That said, European vehicles do 100 easy, and

they have less accidents than the US...you could attribute that to the roads or to the fact that they're smarter

than Americans... :rasp:

Last I heard Radar detectors are legal in CA. You won't be safe from laser

with a radar detector. You'll need a jammer.

http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/radar4.html

[TRock]

yeah i've read about that too.

right now laser jammers are legal, but radar jammers are illegal. i also read that most places can't afford laser

so they still use radar.

[XySen]

You can use radar detectors

though. The Escort or the bel combo would be nice. Laser signal is easily disrupted, so laser jammers are good.

They are probably illegial in some places but it's just disrupting light.


yeah i've read about

that too. right now laser jammers are legal, but radar jammers are illegal. i also read that most places can't

afford laser so they still use radar.

[Pancho1188]

I believe I misspoke earlier.

Radar detectors are useless in CA. After all, radar is not used in CA to catch people speeding. ;) My

mistake. I believe what I was thinking about was that you've better not be caught by a cop with a radar detector

because they don't appreciate it.

[Mtnjim]

I believe I

misspoke earlier. Radar detectors are useless in CA. After all, radar is not used in CA to catch people

speeding. ;) My mistake. ...

BZZZZZT!!
Yes radar is used in California. In fact, until last year

the CHP wasn't allowed to use radar to catch speeders on the freeways, that changed last year and now thay do use

it. The non freeway enforcement has used it for years! They also use aircraft patrols. They just have to post "Radar

enforced" and/or "Enforced by Aircraft" signs. :thumbsup:

[XySen]

Guys, check out this website.



http://www.speedtrap.org/

[TRock]

thanks for the link xysen.

[InternationalPlayboy]

BZZZZZT!!
Yes radar is used in California. In fact, until last year the CHP wasn't allowed to use

radar to catch speeders on the freeways, that changed last year and now thay do use it. The non freeway enforcement

has used it for years! They also use aircraft patrols. They just have to post "Radar enforced" and/or "Enforced by

Aircraft" signs. :thumbsup:

You beat me to it Mtnjim. I live right on the Az/Ca border and was going

to say that they have used radar for several years on the state highways in Ca but have just recently started using

them on the Interstate freeways. I noticed this spring though, that they still have planes follow I8 in your neck of

the woods.

I'm reminded of the TV show, CHIPS, where they pull over some guy for speeding and he gets out

of his car and pops open a hubcap, complaining that the balled up foil inside was suppose to jam radar. :D He was

then told that they didn't use radar in that state.

California driving scares me. A couple of years ago I

was driving North from San Diego to Vista in evening rush hour traffic. I saw a flash of light in my rearview mirror

and saw a couple of motorcycle fools on cafe racers, riding wheelies down the freeway! I was glad when they passed

and got way ahead. I don't care if they kill themselves, just don't make me witness it.

And while we're on

the hijack, what about the motorcyclist who was

recentlyticketed for doing 205mph (http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4999546.html)!

[TRock]

i heard from people that ride

bikes that cops don't even bother with kawaski/honda/suzuki type bikes b/c the bike is too fast for the police

car.

[camusflage]

i heard from

people that ride bikes that cops don't even bother with kawaski/honda/suzuki type bikes b/c the bike is too fast

for the police car.
I beg to differ.

http://tinyurl.com/457yr

I won't get into

the seemingly pointless discussion of whether he was going 205 or 195 or 185. The point is that he was flying and he

was caught.

[TRock]

anybody think he will beat the

ticket? reading up on how to beat tickets, i saw something about if there's a clerical error, chances are the

ticket is thrown out. like if you get a parking ticket and the color of your car is black but it's stated as blue

or if the plate is wrote in wrong.

[belgareth]

i heard from

people that ride bikes that cops don't even bother with kawaski/honda/suzuki type bikes b/c the bike is too fast

for the police car.
Don't bet on it. Radio is faster still.

[Pancho1188]

BZZZZZT!!
Yes

radar is used in California. In fact, until last year the CHP wasn't allowed to use radar to catch speeders on the

freeways, that changed last year and now thay do use it. The non freeway enforcement has used it for years! They

also use aircraft patrols. They just have to post "Radar enforced" and/or "Enforced by Aircraft" signs.

:thumbsup:Well, that explains it. I haven't been to CA in a year, and when I was there and every year I've

been there, they (on the freeway) had to catch you speeding by other means. I know because one of the tickets my

dad beat was one where the police officer was doing 85 to catch up to my dad (the police car was far behind him

driving, not on the side of the road), so he argued that the officer didn't leave enough time to slow down and

determine his actual speed.

For the record, if you get a ticket for speeding in CA off of the freeway, you're

an idiot. The speed limit off the freeway is like 45 in most places around where my family lives (I compare that to

where I lived in PA with hills and crappy roads where it was 35 most places and 45 zones were like heaven). If you

go over that in an atmosphere like that (lights every few hundred yards, people turning everywhere, cars pulling in

and out of commercial areas, etc.), you're just asking for trouble, anyway.


In conclusion, I'm wrong...I

don't keep up on current events, apparently. ;)

[DrSmellThis]

Cincinnati Microwave makes the

best radar detectors by far. You can get them cheaper from their refitted model store too. Escort is one of their

models.

[Mtnjim]

*\Highjack mode

on/*


You beat me to it Mtnjim. I live right on the Az/Ca border and was going to

say that they have used radar for several years on the state highways in Ca but have just recently started using

them on the Interstate freeways. I noticed this spring though, that they still have planes follow I8 in your neck of

the woods.
...

Even worse, Don't know if you noticed the K-Rail along the freeway from Buckman

to the check point. That was installed because the smugglers were going west in the eastbound lanes at night with

their lights off to avoid the check point. There were several accidents and about 12 people were killed.

The

other scarry things are the idiots who are 3 feet off your rear bumper at 80 MPH. (Did they flunk 8th grade

physics?)
And how about those morons who can't remember they take a particular exit so end up swooping across 3

lanes to exit? I've almost been killed by a couple of 'em.

*\Highjack mode off/*

[CollegeStudent]

i heard from

people that ride bikes that cops don't even bother with kawaski/honda/suzuki type bikes b/c the bike is too fast

for the police car.

For a traffic stop, it is not worth the endangerment of bystanders and other

motorists to chase after a bike. If its a murder suspect, drug dealer, etc, thats a different story, and they WILL

catch him. Nothing on the ground will outrun a helicopter.

[belgareth]

*\Highjack mode

on/*

The other scarry things are the idiots who are 3 feet off your rear bumper at 80 MPH. (Did they flunk 8th

grade physics?)
And how about those morons who can't remember they take a particular exit so end up swooping

across 3 lanes to exit? I've almost been killed by a couple of 'em.

*\Highjack mode off/*
Now they

add the extra challenge of talking on their cell phone while pulling those stupid stunts.

This thread has gone

way off track and doesn't come close to science of attraction so I am moving it to Open Discussion.

[metroman]

Okay to your original question:

I'd go for small amounts of Chikara or SOE. I think it's to your advantage even though the judge wont be able to

directly inhale you're enhanced mone sig, its not like you're trying to pick him or her up...then again if its a

her?

As for the intergenerational lecture rant...The unfortunate fact is not everyone has the same motor

skills, hand to eye coordination, response time, spatial perception etc...so they have designed the traffic laws to

take into account a below average level of these skill sets...so little old ladies & men can drive as well budding

Michael Shumacher's...

Same with the DUI or DWI laws...some people can probably drive fine on 2 beers,

others experience impairment where they should'nt be behind the wheel. But they cant make DWI laws that differ

from one person to another...

Judging from TRock's Tetris scores I'm sure his hand to eye coordination &

spatial perception are very high...I'm sure he could easily drive at race car speeds, but unfortunately most people

on the roads are nowhere near that skill level & on top of that are eating a Big Mac & talking on the phone...

[Pancho1188]

And how about

those morons who can't remember they take a particular exit so end up swooping across 3 lanes to exit? I've almost

been killed by a couple of 'em.
Since we're in Open Discussion now...

I am one of those morons. I'm

driving in the car pool lane (no idea where I'm going)...I'm not even sure if I have my license yet or just my

permit, but my dad says, "Oh, we need to get off at the next exit!"

"Thanks for telling me now, Dad!!!"

:rant:

"We can make it. Go over now."

"We're next to a double-white line! We're in the car pool

lane!"

"You can make it! Go!"

*Switch lanes*

"Okay...wait a second...okay, now!"

*Switch lanes*



"Okay...wait...go! Wait, don't go! There's a guy there. Okay...now! GO, GO, GO!"

*Switch lanes*

"Go

again, you're good!"

*Switch lanes*

The exit's right there...I'm one lane away, and the median thing is

coming up...I'm running out of room...I try to change lanes so we all don't die.

"Bud, you can't move over

yet...there's a guy right next to you!"

"Dude, move! We're all going to crash if you don't! Doesn't he see

I'm about to crash if he doesn't speed up or slow down or something!?!?!"

I slow down and pull in behind the

guy...just as the end of the median-like thing (slashing lines) turned into a wall...I'm so glad that a. I didn't

get arrested and b. I'm still alive.

However, I will never forget the time I crossed five lanes in less than a

mile in heavy afternoon CA freeway traffic with a mere driver's permit.

After this incident, I never drive

without knowing where I'm going first and receiving continual updates as to directions. That and I've learned

never to trust my dad with anything... :lol: ...but that comes from years of experience. ;)

[InternationalPlayboy]

Thinking more about

the radar detector controversy this morning on the way to work. The fact that some states ban them and companies

like Geico campaign to make them illegal across the country.

There are detectors now that can alert the

driver to road hazards ahead, such as construction zones and emergency vehicles. I don't know how many counties,

states, whatever the jurisdiction is that would have to incorporate the beacons into their equipment for the

detectors to receive them actually use the technology, but I think that it's not a bad idea.

[Mtnjim]

...As for the

intergenerational lecture rant...The unfortunate fact is not everyone has the same motor skills, hand to eye

coordination, response time, spatial perception etc...

Truely, for an old fart, my motor skills and

coordination are still at the higher end. I don't worry about myself, it's that person who is totally unaware of

their surroundings who decides to suddenly pull into the fast lane doing 45, 5' in front of me while I'm doing 90.

You have to remember that at least 1/2 of the drivers (certainly the above average members of this forum, just other

people) are on "autopilot", talking, eating, using their cell phone, reading (yes, I've actually seen this,

newspaper spread out over the steering wheel), putting on makeup etc. Now, out in the boonies, where there might be

1 or 2 other cars--high speed baby!!

[Holmes]

The other scarry

things are the idiots who are 3 feet off your rear bumper at 80 MPH. (Did they flunk 8th grade

physics?)

:rofl:

Seriously.

[Pancho1188]

Over 75% of people respond

that they're above average drivers when surveyed...

(Think about that...only 50% of the population can be

"above average" ;))

We all overestimate our abilities. It's an ego thing. :)

[Holmes]

We all

overestimate our abilities.

In general? I don't think so.

[TRock]

and the result

is......................... a reduced fine and charges are dropped. thanks for the help everyone, now i have more

money for mones.

[Pancho1188]

In general? I

don't think so.
In certain psychological studies, people are more likely to overestimate their abilities

when comparing themselves to the general population. In other words, when comparing things such as driving ability,

intelligence, etc., people are more likely to see themselves as "above average" compared to the rest of the

population. I can't be more specific as I am unsure of the exact types of questions that create such responses.




This does not include such questions as, "How good are you at pool?" where it could be anyone's guess as to

over or underestimation with no point of comparison.



It's more of a psychological joke than anything.

"75% of the population is 'above average'." Anyone who knows statistics should see that this is impossible.

[Pancho1188]

and the result

is......................... a reduced fine and charges are dropped. thanks for the help everyone, now i have more

money for mones.
:thumbsup:

Did you use anything?

[TRock]

2 swipes of soe and alpha male

body language. it was a female court-whatever-you-call it that i talked to.

i have the non verbal sexual cuing

ebook.
in line i was practicing the cues. and i noticed this 40ish woman looking at me so i tried directing the

some of the cues. when they told me to sit down i sat down right behind her and later on i asked a question and

looked in her eyes and saw they were real dilated. so i sparked some interest lol. i left it at that and let my ego

get more inflated, there was no way i would have asked her for her number. now i need to buy a book that teaches how

to read body language.

[Mtnjim]

Over 75% of

people respond that they're above average drivers when surveyed...

(Think about that...only 50% of the

population can be "above average" ;))

We all overestimate our abilities. It's an ego thing.

:)

Drive, without that Big Mac, not putting on makeup, and not tailgateing and you ARE above

average!
:angel:

By the way, there is a simple reflex test. Have someone hold a ruler vertically against

the wall the 1" end down. Hold your finger 1" away over the bottem end. Have them let the ruler go. Stop it with a

finger. I used to be 3", now adays I'm about 4 1/2" (what can I say, we all slow down as we age). The average is

7-8". If you miss the ruler completely, sit down---now, you are dangerous to everyone! :lol: Be sure to do this

sober!! (Sorry, for our Metric members, I never saw Metric instructions) :thumbsup:

[camusflage]

In certain

psychological studies, people are more likely to overestimate their abilities when comparing themselves to the

general population.


http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html is one such

study. I love the quote in the abstract: "Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate

choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it." Another choice one:

"Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped

them recognize the limitations of their abilities." Perhaps ignorance *is* bliss! :)

[belgareth]

When I was learning to drive I

was told that almost invariably the worst drivers are the ones who claimed to be good drivers or experts. Since then

I have seen that proven true. Those who claim they are safe drivers are the ones who get into and cause accidents

and get tickets. The ones who are cautious, recognize the limits of themselves and their cars and allow substantial

margin for error are the ones who never seem to have problems. Since I have an aversion to seeing my own blood, I

try hard to follow that rule.