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lordcrazyd
09-23-2004, 12:48 PM
if pheromones are important then why are some straight girls attracted to gay men. Gay men suposedly
have lower Rone- and perhaps None. So why are some straight females still attracted to them. This concerns me that
Pheromones is only a tiny bit involved in attractionm, and Perhaps Physical and Probably even Pyschological factors
are more important then the way we smell.
Don't Flame, Just a Thought.
Traggard
09-23-2004, 12:54 PM
True, pheromones are just a tiny bit of the attraction process. For instance, if you become a rock star many
more women will be attracted to you compared to when you were not a rock star. Does this mean that you pheromones
suddenly became 20 times better? Of course not. Social proof, confidence and behaviour patterns will always be much
more important then pheromones.
Pancho1188
09-23-2004, 01:22 PM
This
concerns me that Pheromones is only a tiny bit involved in attractionm, and Perhaps Physical and Probably even
Pyschological factors are more important then the way we smell.
Don't Flame, Just a Thought.
I won't
flame by saying you're wrong. Instead, I'll complain that you're stating the obvious.
If you're sexy and
confident, you could get any guy/girl you wanted. No question.
If you wear -mones but have a defeatist
attitude, you won't get guys/girls (except for ones with severe problems).
If you wear -mones but are very
unattractive---I'll even be so nice as to say unattractive means that your hair is messed up and your clothes are
dirty---you won't get guys/girls.
Not a single person on this forum that has been here a while has said
anything against these basic principles. In fact, every veteran says that you need to act and look the part of a
good catch while you're wearing -mones to be successful.
They don't call it The Cure, they call it
The Edge. The Cure sings songs about love, breakup, and heartache...The Edge helps to make sure that you get
the first and not the last...
DrSmellThis
09-23-2004, 01:43 PM
if
pheromones are important then why are some straight girls attracted to gay men. Gay men suposedly have lower Rone-
and perhaps None. So why are some straight females still attracted to them. This concerns me that Pheromones is only
a tiny bit involved in attractionm, and Perhaps Physical and Probably even Pyschological factors are more important
then the way we smell.
Don't Flame, Just a Thought.Not all females are attracted to gay males, and there
will be individual differences based on the biological and hormonal makeup of the "beholder", as well as the
"beholdee". But there are "unisexual" characteristics to pheromones, as much as researchers emphasize sexual
dimorphism. These generic attraction elements and aspects are ignored by the field for some reason. Perfumers regard
this insight as "old hat", on the other hand, and often employ it in their work. So it is possible for someone to be
attractive in a general sense that transcends sexual preference, or to be attractive in ways that interact with
sexual preference differences in less cut and dried ways.
All of this also dovetails with the psychology of
aesthetics, which cannot be reduced to pheromones. The psychology of pheromones is not a well developed field
yet. There are elements of attraction, such as the current male preferences for skinny women over "good child
bearers", that defy what "accepted pheromone theory," which comes from biology rather than psychology, would
have us believe; which is the idea that everything about attraction is testosterone and estrogen driven toward
maximizing reproductive fitness. I'm sure it is more complicated than that. One idea that I think has some possible
merit is that when a species experiences overpopulation and resource scarcity, nature has a corrective mechanism
that makes the childless alternative more attractive (even though there are regional exceptions). Survival of the
species is not in all situations equal to reproductive fitness.
CptKipling
09-23-2004, 02:21 PM
if pheromones
are important then why are some straight girls attracted to gay men.
As with most hard to grasp elements
involving women and attraction, I believe that this is to do with the challenge of having to win over a gay man.
There are other factors that could play a role, such as their non sleazy attitude towards women.
As a side
note; there is no reason to think that gay men have lower -none levels (as far as my understanding of current
knowledge goes anyway).
koolking1
09-23-2004, 02:29 PM
some of those gay leather
types look like they have more .none than I'd care to mess with.
BDC_Concepts
09-23-2004, 05:47 PM
BUMP on DST's response. I
had a similar response in mind. Thanks for saving me the time :D. There are plenty of social theories/stereotypes
as well (want what you can't have, they dress well, can cook, and are in touch with their feminine side, they make
women feel comfortable as they are not being pursued, etc etc.) Not every gay man dresses extraordinay, is a chef,
can decorate the hell out of an apartment, keeps their place nice and clean, and is emotional on a level that some
females love. These are things society attributes to the behavior of gay men (just an example). But on the other
hand, if a straight male had all those characteristics, I could see many women looking at those as
positives/attractive. Bottom line, your on the right track, just thinking of it the wrong way - pheromones play a
large role, but we are still social beings and there is more to it than what your sweating out or applying to your
body.
DrSmellThis
09-23-2004, 10:36 PM
Matt, you can no longer be
expected to like my post, since I edited it. :blink:
BDC_Concepts
09-24-2004, 07:36 AM
hahhaha...which part? Looks
the same to me :)
The femine gay types are usually more
expressive and verbal.
Women seem to like that.
DCW
surfs_up
09-24-2004, 10:34 AM
the pheromone discussion hasn't touched on this yet, there is a delicate phase immediately after
initial contact, the "lets see if this can really work" bit, my friends used to call this the ten day test, if you
are still interested after ten days of doing things together and familiarizing yourself with the grosser aspects of
the other's real life, as opposed to the fantasy of them percolating in your brainstem, like, what is this ancient
green chicken doing in the back of the fridge and when exactly did you say your brother will be paroled and when was
your last visit to the clinic for STD testing and how many overdue credit cards do you have, that good old tyme
nitty gritty what the hell am I getting myself into round of questions, people not aren't so naive, they do
criminal background checks, if you're connected to the right lawyer you can get the credit reports even though
you're not supposed to, welcom back to hard ass reality pardner, well, lets assume you want this thing to hang
together during the break in phase, "high bandwidth" pheromones like beta-androstenol and androstadienone (there's
also androstadienol, a little known and veddddy cool isomer that is in all probability one of the secret
ingredients, part of Virginia Cutler's sauce) are an excellent way to keep the door open and the energy flowing. I
had a fantastic time with a beautiful girl half my age, a sophisticated, tough, brilliant woman who intimidated the
holy hell out of most men, me included until we got comfy with each other, I credit the pheros for keeping us
talking, the sense of connection alive through some rough patches... eventually we grew apart being from
fundamentally different planets although when it was happening it was soooooo happening....
Mtnjim
09-24-2004, 12:02 PM
"...Not every gay man dresses
extraordinay, is a chef, can decorate the hell out of an apartment, keeps their place nice and clean, and is
emotional on a level that some females love. These are things society attributes to the behavior of gay men (just an
example). But on the other hand, if a straight male had all those characteristics, I could see many women looking at
those as positives/attractive...."
In a friend !
BDC_Concepts
09-24-2004, 12:40 PM
"...Not every
gay man dresses extraordinay, is a chef, can decorate the hell out of an apartment, keeps their place nice and
clean, and is emotional on a level that some females love. These are things society attributes to the behavior of
gay men (just an example). But on the other hand, if a straight male had all those characteristics, I could see many
women looking at those as positives/attractive...."
In a friend !
LOL. The jokes
aside, is it really that hard to believe? Actually I read some dating/picking up women advise type of literature
about a year ago for fun and they suggested much of what I wrote. Now, wether or now the rest of the material was
worth while is anyone's guess, but yeah, a bunch of it talked about appearance, being clean, having a clean place,
clean sheets. It spoke of diversifying yourself, talents, and interests. And of course it commented on not being a
complete pig and acting, even you really aren't, like you're listening to the other person speak.
Pancho1188
09-24-2004, 02:06 PM
Seinfeld has the answer to
this one:
Elaine: Yeah. This friend of a friend knows this banker guy, he's, I don't know, 30 years,
unbelieveably gorgeous, of course he's gay.
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Elaine: Oh it was such a great
night.
Jerry: And did they suspect anything?
Elaine: No, I was a fantastic beard. I held hands, I called him
honey.
Jerry: And we discover yet another talent. Posing as a girlfriend for homosexuals.
Elaine: Oh it was
such a great night. Oh.
Jerry: You said that already.
Elaine: Oh I did?
Jerry: Yeah.
Elaine:
Oh.
Jerry: Oh no. Don't tell me. You like him?
Elaine: He's incredible.
Jerry: Yeah, but?
Elaine:
Yeah, I know.
Jerry: So?
Elaine: What?
Jerry: Not conversion. You're thinking conversion?
Elaine: Well
it did occur to me.
Jerry: You think you can get him to just change teams? He's not going to suddenly switch
sides. Forget
about it.
Elaine: Why? Is it irrevocable?
Jerry: Because when you join that team it's not a
whim. He likes his team. He's set with that team.
Elaine: We've got a good team.
Jerry: Yeah, we do. We do
have a good team.
Elaine: Why can't he play for us?
Jerry: They're only comfortable with *their*
equipment.
Elaine: We just got along *so* great.
Jerry: Of course you did. Everyone gets along great when
there's no possibility of sex.
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Elaine: Hey, I did
it.
Jerry: What?
Elaine: I turned him. He defected.
Jerry: Get out! (pushes Elaine) How? How did you do
that?
Elaine: Because I'm a *woman*. (swiveling her hips)
Ba-ba-ba-boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom-boom-boom.
Jerry: Elaine, do you know what you've done? You've give hope
to every woman who's ever said "Too
bad he's gay".
Elaine: Well it's a lesson for the kids out there.
Anything's possible. Jeromy, I have *hit* the jackpot. The perfect man. Nothing but sex and shopping.
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Jerry: He went back? What do
you mean he went back?
Elaine: He went back.
Jerry: I don't understand it. You were having such a great time,
the sex, the shopping.
Elaine: Well here's the thing. Being a woman, I only really have access to the, uh...
equipment, what,
thirty, forty-five minutes a week. And that's on a good week. How can I be expected to have the
same
expertise as people who *own* this equipment, and have access to it twenty-four hours a day, their
entire
lives.
Jerry: You can't. That's why they lose very few players.
Elaine: Yeah, I guess I never
really stood a chance.
Jerry: Well there's always a place for you, on our team.
Elaine: Yeah. (teary-eyed)
Thanks.
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