Chikara plus NPA: strange reactions !!!

[Indigo]

However you decide be sure to post your feedback!
BobbyHello folks,

first of all

thanks for your detailed an very helpful answers. It helped me very much to come to an decision!
I got my Chikara

and NPA ( I read much about this combination, I just had to test it) !
So here finally my first feedback about the

first test weekend:

At first some history about the mixture I used in the last two years ( before I got to know

LS ):

The mix that finally worked quite well for me was a combination of P10/w, PPA/m and PPA/w
with a ratio of

2:6:3. I applied mostly about 0.275 ml so I got about 0.0335 mg None, 0.03625 mg Nol
and 0.005 mg Rone plus some of

the copulins of P10 and PPA/w per application, which is a decent amount I think regarding the recommended dosages

her at the forum.
This ratio gave me the most acceptable smell, although I don't like it too much.
The latter is

the one reason why I wanted to test something new. The second is was to get more consistent results:
On many

occasions I was not able to recognize any difference in behavior or body language. But
in about 2 of 10 cases

wearing the mones, some women acted clearly different than thea normally did:
They were much more chatty and

touched me lightly when talking, what they never did before. I got these hist in most cases with women I already

knew for quite a time ( probably because I know their normal reactions better ).
Well, the point of the experience

of the last 2 years is, that with mones either nothing happened ( at least nothing I was able to perceive) or

surprisingly positive results ( rarely ). But.... I never had any negative reactions.

Not until using

Chikara plus NPA:

As I knew what pheromone amounts approximately worked for me before, I used them as an

orientation.
As I read much about the extreme OD risk of NPA I was very careful with it.
The first evening I

applied 0.1 ml Chikara ( 0.067 mg pheromones ) plus 0.1 ml of TE ( I dilluted my NPA exactly to TE level, so that

were about 0.01mg of the NPA mones).
I did sports afterwards ( about one hour after application ). The first woman

I met ( I don't know her very well, but´I see her every week and simply get along with each other, not more and not

less ) was in an normal positive mood during the 2 houers of badminton, but every time I got near her she didn't

even look into my direction, even when I said something. It was like " Ooohh, you stink, go away ). I really never

experienced a that bad reaction.
I thought "OK, let's do another test". The next day I met with some friends (

most very close friends ) at 14:00pm.
This time I applieda reduced dosage of 3 drops of Chikara (0.075ml) and 0,075

ml of TE.
One of the woman ( the girlfriend of my best friend, I have a very good relationship to her, she is

normally always smiling at everybody especially to me and mostly in a great mood). This afternoon she was in a good

temper as usually . But... she also hardly looked into my direction when I was near her. No smiles, no friendliness,

really nothing. I have never seen her acting towards me like that, it was really strange. From what I read here it

was a total OD reaction. We split up to meet again in the evening. I took a long shower rubbing all mones away. Then

I applied 4 drops of Chikara and only 2 drops ( 0.05 ml ) of TE . The reactions of the mentioned woman were clearly

less negative, but still definitely out of the ordinary ( towards me ).
How can that be?????? 2 little drops of TE

( one bottle would gibe 500 applications) an OD !??!?
What the hell is in NPA ??????
NPA is supposed to be a very

sexual pheromone product. So what shall I conclude:
Woman react irritated and adverse when something sexual is

dispersing from me ??????
Grrrrreat... that is what I wanted to find out by using mones :frustrate



Well, all joking aside. I am definitely not a man beeing considered as very masculine ( in fact that is the last

attribute woman asssign to me, although I look relatively decent and have a good build ).
So don't think my body

produces so much None ( that fits the experience withe the relatively high amounts of None before ).
But taking

that as a fact, I am totally confused about the reactions with only the slightest amount of the NPA secret

ingredient, it can't be the none. Anyone an idea.
If I reduce the NPA dosage even more ( so little that I get no

negative reactions ) I guess I could leave it away completely ?!?!?!.

Another question about Perception. Most of

you said that it is much more sexual oriented compared to Chikara.
May it be that it will probably not make very

much sense to test it after the recent experience ???

I will test Chikara alone for the next few days and see

what happens. BSW I don't like the scent very much but after about one hour of wearing it is slightly better than

my old mix ( the old mix was quite sweet, it smelled a bit like a woman's fragrance ).

Best regards



Indigo

[Traggard]

Interesting read. Are you sure you have no mone build-up? A female friend of mine once said that I smelled

different from how I used to smell. This was after I had showered extensively and I had not put on any mones that

day.

[Indigo]

Interesting read. Are you sure you have no mone build-up? A female

friend of mine once said that I smelled different from how I used to smell. This was after I had showered

extensively and I had not put on any mones that day.
I didn't use mones for some weeks

before the mentioned weekend, or let's say I used my old mixture 2 or 3 times in this period. So build-up should

not have been the problem. Perhaps the secret ingredient doesn't fit my personal body chemistry at all.

[bjf]

You may be a guy where 2 or 3 dabs

works best of TE. A poll actually indicated that was the ideal amount, although it isn't for me. Also, when you

do physical activity after applying pheromones, changes are going to occur. Conversions to none, which JVK states

do happen, BDC Concepts doesn't believe so, funkier smells.

The fact that you are getting reactions is good.

Now you just have to learn to use the stuff.

BTW, don't play sports with pheromones on - around women at

least.

[Indigo]

You may be a guy where

2 or 3 dabs works best of TE. A poll actually indicated that was the ideal amount, although it isn't for me.

Also, when you do physical activity after applying pheromones, changes are going to occur. Conversions to none,

which JVK states do happen, BDC Concepts doesn't believe so, funkier smells.

The fact that you are getting

reactions is good. Now you just have to learn to use the stuff.

BTW, don't play sports with pheromones on -

around women at least.

Considering that one dab is between 0.02 and 0.03 ml I only used 2 dabs and

got bad reactions. If I use so little that I get no bad response (probably only one drop) , do you really think i

could get any positive effects? Shouldn't I leave it away at all? Dosaging like that my 10ml bottle will last for

more than 6 years! Does NPA stay good for such a long time?

[bjf]

You may get the positive effects, if

the negative effects were so strong on you. There are guys on the forum who see reactions in very small amounts

with that stuff.
I'd cut down your dosage in incriments until you see the reactions you want.

NPA will

stay good for a long long time.

[DrSmellThis]

I had some strong results (got

asked to coffee by a beautiful 18 y.o.) wearing one dab of edge (and other stuff, including a perfume similar to

Pheros and a drop of V5, IIRC) but it was my only source of -none). Yesterday I wore four dabs Edge and a guy

picked a fight with me at a bar where I was sitting with my back to him, reading and eating dinner. Edge is 1/4 the

strength of NPA, but the dabs are bigger due to the sizes of the bottle openings. Maybe I had buildup too, but -none

(and whatever else is in NPA/Edge) is powerful stuff. You have to use it in a very sensitive manner to get

consistent good results.

[Indigo]

I had some

strong results (got asked to coffee by a beautiful 18 y.o.) wearing one dab of edge (and other stuff, including a

perfume similar to Pheros and a drop of V5, IIRC) but it was my only source of -none). Yesterday I wore four

dabs Edge and a guy picked a fight with me at a bar where I was sitting with my back to him, reading and eating

dinner. Edge is 1/4 the strength of NPA, but the dabs are bigger due to the sizes of the bottle openings. Maybe I

had buildup too, but -none (and whatever else is in NPA/Edge) is powerful stuff. You have to use it in a very

sensitive manner to get consistent good results.

Hello DST,

so one of your dabs is probably

about 2 of my drops, giving me bad results. I will try Chikara plus one drop ( 0.025ml ) TE in the next few weeks

and see if there is any difference to Chikara plus no drop of TE!

Regards

Indigo

[DrSmellThis]

I don't understand your

reply, but just know that Edge is weaker than NPA, but not as weak as you'd expect compared to NPA if you are

dabbing both to compare.

[Fuse]

I had some strong

results (got asked to coffee by a beautiful 18 y.o.)

Did you take her up on her offer?

I'm

starting to lay off of the NPA. I actually mixed half of the bottle with a half a bottle of Andro 4.2 the other day.

BIG MISTAKE! I mixed in Andro 4.2's original atomizer and that disperses A LOT with just one spray. I got a massive

headache and guys at work couldn't even look me in the eye. I also got very, very irritated for no reason at all.

I'm going to try doing 1 or 2 dabs of TE with 4 dabs of Pheros and see how that pans out.

[Indigo]

I don't

understand your reply, but just know that Edge is weaker than NPA, but not as weak as you'd expect compared to NPA

if you are dabbing both to compare.

Well, you said you had used one dab of TE and that an TE dab is

bigger because of the bigger opening. So I estimated that one of your dabs is probably about 0.04-0.05ml opposed to

the 0.03 ml of the dabs yout get from the NPA bottle ( withput inlet ) or the PPA bottle.
I diluted my NPA to

the exact concentration of TE and used 2 drops ( 0.05 ml ). I just wanted to say that the relatively low amount

which gave you a good result, was even too much for me.
Sorry for my misunderstandable english. I am working on

it.

[CptKipling]

At dab at 0.04 ml?? I find that

hard to understand...

[bjf]

The phero calculator was actually

using 0.01 for a dab, and 0.04 I think for a drop.

[BassMan]

The phero calculator

was actually using 0.01 for a dab, and 0.04 I think for a drop.I measured a couple of mls of EtOH in an edge

bottle and got somewhere about 88 dabs / ml.

We have to remember that repeatedly measuring dabs does not

necessarily give us a very accurate result. The first dab has to wet the skin of the finger involved, and therefore

uses more product than subsequent dabs. On the other hand, the first dab has to wet the skin of the finger involved

:-) and therefore delivers less product to wherever you put it than subsequent dabs (leaving a lot behind on the

finger). Once the finger(s) is wet, the process is quite different.

When I measure dabs, I use all ten fingers,

wiping them on a towel between uses, and getting them fairly dry before continuing. Since we do actually reuse

fingers in applying the product (assuming we apply more than one dab to each side of the body), this would seem to

be a model that represents our usage fairly closely. I'm certainly open to discussion of methodology, since dabs

seem to be the most difficult application method to measure accurately.

- Bass

[bjf]

How about measuring with the pointer

finger (what I assume we mostly use) and then rubbing your finger on a piece of leather or some skin like material).

Then do this over and over. This would simulate the experience, I think.

[DrSmellThis]

Thanks for doing all that

work, BassMan.

Water or oil will give bigger dabs, in that order. I think the average product here is like

50/50 water/Etoh.

[CptKipling]

BM,

That is the

methodology I used aswell, and ended with slightly less dabs per ml than you (I used closer to 50/50 alc/water from

an alcoholic drink). It would seem that most dab volumes for alcohol based products would fall between 0.015 and

0.02 ml (factoring in what DST said about the water content of the products), with the top range for the oily

products not much higher than 0.03 ml.

[Indigo]

Well, the tests I did were with

pure Ethanaol and pure water.
And I didn't use a dropper inlet, just the free opening of the bottle. That way I

always got about 30-35 dabs per ml for the Ethanol and around 40 dabs per ml for the water. The bottles Iuse have

exactly the smae opening as the NPA and the PPA bottle without inlet!

[CptKipling]

Those dabs seem very big, can

you describe exactly how you made the measurements?

[Indigo]

Those dabs seem

very big, can you describe exactly how you made the measurements?No problem:

I used the bottles without

any inlet. Then I put one finger on the bottle, turn it around, wait a second, turn it back, wait another second,

ant then apply it.

BSW, because of all this confusion and I found out that PPA ( di-propylene-glycol) behaves

different than pure ehanol and water when dabbing i will never dab anything again. As I said in other

threads:
Applying with tha pipettte of an pipette bottle is the only way of precise dosaging. And you don't

contaminate your product.
You only have to test one time for every product and don't have the hole confusion about

the different dabbing tecniques and dry or wet fingers and so on. The bottles doesn't cost more than about 2$, so

regarding that most users have products for more than 100$
that doesn't carry much weight! But I will be sure to

get the exact amounts I want to get and can give the forum more precise information about the ratios I used !

[CptKipling]

I'm still puzzled, but thanks

anyway Indigo. Maybe I'll test it again.

[Indigo]

I'm still

puzzled, but thanks anyway Indigo. Maybe I'll test it again.Well, I admit I am also a bit confused about

the totally different results of different users! That is why I only drop all products with a pipette.
I found a

american page where you can get very similar pipette bottles like I use for less than 2$. You can also get roll on

bottles there:



http://www.rusticescentuals.com/bottles.html

Best

regards

Indigo

[CptKipling]

Thanks for the link.

These

look useful aswell:

[ismellgood]

When I mix, I use a small

hypodermic syringe (with needle) to measure small amounts that I put into (well washed) perfume sample vials (cost:

free). When I am mixing a spray source (Chikara or a cover scent for NPA), I first spray into a tiny funnel into the

vial, measure the height of the fluid, and then inject the mixer accordingly.

[Indigo]

Hello,



I have got some new questions after more experiments with Chikara and TE ( my dilluted NPA ).
Unfortunately I

could do the most test only with mainly male colleagues.
My impression rigth now is that, except for club

occasions, everything above 1 drop ( 0.025ml) of TE is too much for me. Wearing only Chikara ( plus a bit PPA/m for

the scent ) and one or even no drop of TE I got a lot of friendliness and chattiness frommost people. One drop more

of TE and the effect was totally gone. In factI was not able to see a difference between Chikara/PPA alone and the

combination with one drop of TE. I find that really strange.

But now to the points confusing me most:
My

perception of the smell of NPA and Chikara:

First about Chikara:
Most people describe it as a light musk. Well

the reason I mix Chikara with PPA/m is that Chikara, at least for me, has a certain note of vanilla or coconut ( I

am not sure how to describe that ) that I don't like too much.Withh PPA together it gives a pleasant compex over

all scent. I habe the new bath of Chikara with silver cap and spry head.

NPA:
After reading so much about the

stink of NPA, I was a bit shocked about my perception. I is not only that I might not be able to smell it,
it is

even more confusing. When I put my nose over the open NPA bottle, I smell a light pleasant smell!?!?! :confused: In

fact I like that scent more than smelling at the Chikara bottle !!!!!:think:

What I'd like to to know from

you is:

Taking that perception of NPA and the results I got from it, can I draw any general conclusions

regarding the type of pheromones I should use or try in the future?????

Best regards

Indigo

[nitro]

NPA:
After

reading so much about the stink of NPA, I was a bit shocked about my perception. I is not only that I might not be

able to smell it,
it is even more confusing. When I put my nose over the open NPA bottle, I smell a light pleasant

smell!?!?! :confused: In fact I like that scent more than smelling at the Chikara bottle !!!!!:think:

What I'd

like to to know from you is:

Taking that perception of NPA and the results I got from it, can I draw any general

conclusions regarding the type of pheromones I should use or try in the future?????

Best regards



Indigo
Hi Indigo, like you, I have found that when I try smelling NPA from the bottle, I do not detect

the musty smell of -none. In fact, like you, I find it very lightly scented, a somewhat sweet, ester-like scent. In

my post on "-Mone use/results in SE Asia", I even thought I might have been sent the NPA/w or the scented version

(which doesn't exist!). Now that you, too report this, I guess I have my answer. (BTW, the sweet smell could be the

alcohol base in NPA).

I have tried wearing NPA (one dab below each ear) at night at home without other -mone

products. Initially, for the first 15 to 20 minutes, I don't detect any typical -mone smell. However, after about

30 mins but definitely after 1 hour, I could really detect the familiar smell of -none. The musty smell was

unmistakable, very much like the Perception -mones. So, I can conclude that the other ingredients in NPA (besides

the -none) seem to mask the smell of the -none in it, but once applied to the skin, the -none smell gradually

becomes obvious.

I will be reporting more of my results on Chikara in my thread.

nitro

[THE ALPHA MALE]

DUDE, no wonder you OD,

too many sprays of Chikara, 1-2 drops at most; especially with NPA added to the mix.

[Jambat Prime]

It seems like you did a

massive OD. When I've ODed women have litterally ran from me. (Happened at a club). Try the 70/30 mix. If at all

possible use the Liquid Trust bottle to disperse. (Put LT in some other bottle and wash the bottle with bleach then

soap and water then dry).

I recently got a job. Last Friday the department head called me into the office. I

shot on some JB#1 (using the LT bottle) and walked in. Normally this woman is jittery and always seems in a hurry.

She calmed down, was very pleasant and smiling (she doesn't really do that).

The mix you're using is known to

be pretty good. Try a different ratio an a different dispersal method. One spray should do it. You can spray it into

the air and walk into it or spray directly. And yes, NPA is pretty strong. That's why I originally mixed it with

APC.

I never had any luck with TE and I see no need to water NPA down but make sure NPA is on the 30% side

of the ratio when you mix it.

-The Bat

[chicago]

:type: This is an old thread it

dates back to 2004.
________
Cholesterol Advice (http://www.health-forums.org/cholesterol/)

[Rbt]

:type: This is

an old thread it dates back to 2004.


But some things don't seem to change a lot...

Stories are

still much the same.

[chicago]

RBT: do you know of any lobster

fest in lake Geneva area ???.
________
WENDIE 99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[Rbt]

RBT: do you

know of any lobster fest in lake Geneva area ???.

Nope. But I don't get much info about WI activities

around here and besides I'm not a fan of seafood so I wouldn't have paid attention to it anyway.

Could post an

inquiry on LakeCountyCafe Yahoo groups...

[terry0400-40]

Nope. But

I don't get much info about WI activities around here and besides
I'm not a fan of seafood so I

wouldn't have paid attention to it anyway.

Could post an inquiry on LakeCountyCafe Yahoo

groups...You could maby acquire a taste for it as i have heard that it is

really good tonic food and makes for a great Woody :rofl: :rofl:

[Rbt]

You could maby acquire a taste for it as i have heard

that it is really good tonic food and makes for a great Woody :rofl: :rofl:

Sadly

I have found that even the smell of fish makes me feel ill. Not a good thing given how there are some things in this

world that seem to have a similar smell...
:sad:

[terry0400-40]

Sadly I

have found that even the smell of fish makes me feel ill. Not a good thing given how
there are some things in

this world that seem to have a similar smell...:sad:I

certainly agree as sometimes those great and wonderful things can certainly smell somewhat on the fishy side.


You could probably take a can of Spray Fresh out with

you along with the Chikara lol.
ie Lavender fresh for

the PPD ( professional pearl diver ) :rasp: