View Full Version : Forum rules and courtesy
belgareth
09-08-2004, 09:53 AM
A lot of you
will remember that not too long ago you couldn't write a serious thread without it being hijacked or otherwise made
unusable by all the playing around, jokes quips and such. A lot of very good people got sick of it, quit posting and
left the forum. We tried with polite requests through PMs and deletions to get it back in line with little effect.
It resulted in us being forced to come down pretty hard on some people and we ended up losing still more members but
the forum has improved a lot since then. We have a lot of great new members posting good stuff.
In the past
couple weeks we've seen a lot of nonsense posts in the discussion forums. Jokes and playing around don't belong
there, it takes away from the content provided by serious posters and is not fair with the amount of effort that is
put into many of these posts.
A long time back, Bruce created the Open Discussion and Humor forums so we would
have places to play and debate unrelated topics. I think everybody would get the most benefit out of this site if we
kept serious discussion and play seperated. Please help us out by paying attention to where you post humor, jokes
and off topic discussions.
One other thing I should mention. WE DO DELETE THREADS AND POSTS WITHOUT WARNING. We
assume everybody knows and understands the few rules we have here and can figure it out if an off topic post gets
deleted. If you then post "Hey, Who deleted my thread" it will get deleted too. If you'd really like an answer, PM
any one of us mods and we will be happy to answer you.
Thanks, Belgareth
Gegogi
09-08-2004, 04:24 PM
Sheesh, there's a big difference
between being rude and good natured humor. I think there's room for serious discussion and humor as long as the
humor isn't intended to be mean or a personal attack. In fact, many of the serious posts are really funny--goofy
'n silly--although the poster was dead serious. In such cases it's difficult to write anything but a humorous
reply because the original post was so darn silly. Moreover, just because the reply was humorous doesn't invalidate
the helpfulness of the answer nor its contribution to the discussion. It's far better to go through life with a
smile and a dash of wit and humor than suffer as a boring fuddy duddy.
belgareth
09-08-2004, 04:38 PM
Humor is fine, I like to laugh
and have fun too. A joke as part of a reply is fine. But when a question is asked and all they get is nonsense or
when a post is drug so far off track by humor and smart comments as to be worthless it's unfair to the poster and
discouraging as well. All we are asking is that you show the respect and courtesy due those that are trying to post
serious questions or comments. For anything else, take it to open discussion or humor. I don't think that is an
unreasonable expectation.
top_dawwgs
09-09-2004, 12:31 PM
If you want humor... go post
it in the Humor section. Its that simple. Thats what its there for.
DrSmellThis
09-09-2004, 03:09 PM
But when a
question is asked and all they get is nonsense or when a post is drug so far off track by humor and smart comments
as to be worthless it's unfair to the poster and discouraging as well. All we are asking is that you show the
respect and courtesy due those that are trying to post serious questions or comments. I think this is key.
IMHO, a good bit of humor and fun can be fit into this structure, however. You just have to make sure your
constructive, positive and helpful spirit and intentions are communicated. The onus is on the poster to do that
somehow (again, IMHO). Usually a lack of respect or thoughtfulness for the original poster is easy to spot. But if
the elephant of humor comes up and just sits in your lap, it's hard to just ignore it. :) Yet the more extreme your
excursion into humor, the more important it is to make it OK, given the structure we have to fit into. I hope that
makes sense.
Pancho1188
09-09-2004, 03:38 PM
Not sure if the moderators
would agree with this, but...
I recommend checking out some of my posts (some being the key word) if you want to
see the balance of humor and serious responses to the original posts. I'm not perfect by any means, but I notice
when I want to make a joke that's in the "Pheromone Forum", I always make sure I have something serious to post to
bring it back or keep it on topic.
I notice I frequently use the Joke-Serious, Serious-Joke, or
Joke-Serious-Joke approach. I will present an example of the Joke-Serious-Joke approach below:
Rules and
Courtesy...Forum? No, I'm against 'em! :rofl:
Seriously, though, it's important to bring it back to
the topic at hand. Also, when making a joke, check to see if somehow you are insulting someone who may not get your
sense of humor. For instance, if you said, "Pancho...is that your name because you wear something to protect
yourself from all of the ladies when they spit on you after you bring those weak pick-up lines you call rhymes?" I
could see how I could possibly take offense to that. However, if you said, "Pancho...I hope you have one of those
when that storm hits nearby! It's going to get wet!!!" I don't see how I should feel offended by such things.
When you refrain from offending people and throw in your joke while giving useful pheromone information, things tend
to go well...
...or you could just say
"Pheromones.
What do you say when you cross an
elephant and a rhinoceros...(say it out loud) Elephino!!!
Oh, yeah...pheromones."
:lol: Just
kidding...
See? Not too shabby...but that's just my opinion.
PR
Gegogi
09-10-2004, 08:10 PM
"If you want humor... go
post it in the Humor section. Its that simple. Thats what its there for."
The point isn't wanting
humor, it's delivery of a useful message. The message may packaged in many different ways and still say the same
thing: dry 'n matter of fact, insulting, humorous, conversational (wordy), 60s stream of consciousness (we get lots
of those!), et al. I find a lick of humor while delivering a message makes people happy. And feeling good is one of
the most important things in life. I certainly practice humor in my everyday speech and I see no reason to fake a
writing style that isn't me. I ain't no flickin' dictionary nor am I a search engine. You can live without sex
but a lack of humor will eventually kill you or make those around you wish you were dead! Aren't these dad burn
little "Smilies: meant to be suggest humor?
:box: :rasp: :trout:
Incidentally, only the "60s stream of
consciousness" writing style pisses me off (e.g., the 200 word run-on sentence). I hate it when posters are too lazy
to spell correctly or use clear sentence structure. Not only does it make them appear stupid, it's extremely
difficult to figure out what they're trying to say.
Bruce
09-11-2004, 09:11 AM
I think we are all on the same page
here. Humor is obviously a wonderful thing. It can be used for "evil purposes" as well as good, and a whole range
in between though. EG: a sarcastic potshot at some inocent bystander, racist humor etc etc.
Unfortunately,
the situation with the forum is not always so simple to judge, as often the only "victim" of the "bad" humor is the
forum itself and its expressed goals. It hasn't happened in a while thank God, but we have trouble from time to
time with productive threads being hijacked by folks whose personal agenda was quite a bit different from that of
the forum and the result was chaos rather than a lively fun productive discussion of pheromones.
A great
thread is a work of art. It needs talent from its players even if it is improvised on the spot, and since it is a
recorded media of sorts, the need for some ocassional editing is there as well. That doesn't mean the mods are
going to snip out anything that is bad for business at Love Scent. It means they may at any moment snip out
something that is (clearly) bad for the thread, and a "WTF happend to my friggin' post man?" is sure to end up on
the cutting room floor.
Imagine we are making a documentary about pheromones here. If we snip out someone
saying "Well, I gave pheromones my best shot, and they didn't help me" that is of course is very bad and we don't
do that, never have. But... If someone posts "You guys are a bunch of suckers... yada yada" and it doesn't get
resolved quickly, it doesn't really serve the big picture, especially, if it becomes obvious that the person has
never even tried pheromones. Actually, discussions like that can sometimes stimulate productive discussion too.
Other times we are dealing with a professional "troll", chaos is the goal and it is a waste of time trying to let
the group deal with him.
Anyway, I ramble, but certainly humor is not a problem on the forum. It is an
important part of my vision (if you will) of the forum. It can however be used as a weapon of distruction sometimes
and leads to editing.
Regards,
Bruce
sonicbum
09-11-2004, 12:26 PM
i feel ya Bruce. when i first
got on this forum, i started just posting short little nothings like "nice post" and pointless statements like that.
im used to being on forums where thread hijackers are just no big thing. but being this is a forum for serious
discussion, its totally understandable that you guys are so quick to take down pointless/thoughtless/hijacking/off
topic posts. i will do my best to help keep things on topic.
DrSmellThis
09-11-2004, 01:05 PM
Bruce has created a forum in
which many different kinds of discourse are permitted, and can survive intact. That's a somewhat unusual
achievement on the web, is it not? Keeping things in their context is the key to that.
Pancho1188
10-06-2004, 07:48 AM
Apparently, this is off topic
of the thread, but in response to the numerous recent discussions on hoarding points, irrelevant posting, comments
put in the wrong forums, and other recent activities:
General newbie guidelines for buying products/using forum
at Love-Scent:
1. Research pheromone forum.
2. Ask additional questions if you cannot find certain information
or post your story if you feel it would benefit your decision to purchase a product.
3. Buy the newbie starter kit
for general experimentation or whatever product you believe would work best for your situation. Use 20% off newbie
coupon, capitalize on product discounts, and get freebie gel packs.
4. Research pheromone forum for answers to
simple questions such as application amounts, locations, and other usage questions.
5. Test product...experiment.
Trial and error and all that good stuff.
6. Post your results.
7. Engage in thoughtful discussion of pheromones
and the art of attraction. Accumulate wealth in the process, both forum-wise (5,000 points) and reality-wise (~$100
- max limit for 50% coupon).
8. Decide what your next purchase should be during these interactions.
9. Use 50%
coupon and make next purchase.
10. Repeat as necessary.
11. To expedite this process, play games in the arcade,
post very thoughtful ideas in the Pheromone Discussion forum to ensure a lot of responses, post irrelevant nonsense
in the Open Discussion forum, or become the forum clown by posting jokes in the Humor section.
General warning
of what you should not do in the Love-Scent forum regarding posting and points:
1. Post obvious questions in
brand new threads that could be answered by a simple search or common sense. Please consult the newbie FAQ first. If
a search leads to nothing, feel free to post your question. Complicated answers are hard to find and may require
additional information.
2. Post irrelevant information in a new thread in the Pheromone Forum to accumulate points
or attract additional attention to your question. This will bring swift justice by moderators, and you will receive
the forum-equivalent of a severe beatdown...or a polite warning...whichever comes first.
3. Worry in any way about
points, reputation, number of posts, title, or any other forum bell or whistle. If you don't like your rep, turn it
off. If you want to accumulate the most points:
a. go to the arcade and get a high score
b. close your browser and
turn on the relevant video game of your choice...accumulate as many points as you want
These features are about fun
and character, not competition.
Anyone here solely for points, rep, or irrelevant discussions is in
the wrong forum...or at least forgot the point of it somewhere along the way...
PR
oscar
12-01-2004, 04:45 PM
For the attention
of all, but especially for those whom the shoe fits :
There are several users who appear to be jacking up their
post counts to the overall detriment of the forums. The methods are many and varied, but the overall effect is that
it takes the serious user more time to see those posts which are truly informative and worthwhile, and has thus
driven many notable contributors to visit the board far less frequently, and some to have abandoned the forum
altogether.
One of the most obvious of these methods comes in the form of consecutive posts.
If you suddenly
remember a few minutes after submitting a post that there's something you care to add, please use the edit button
and insert your addendum in the post you just submitted. When I see a post that was submitted two or three minutes
after a user had just submitted another post, I can't help thinking that in most cases this is a cheesy attempt at
points garnering.
Please give other users the respect they deserve by gathering your thoughts and proofreading
your posts BEFORE hitting the "Submit" button. Additionally, think whether what you have to say is relevent and
contributory before you even hit the "Reply" button. If you really don't have anything to contribute, please don't
bother posting.
Another suggestion I would make for all users, but especially new ones, is to read all of this
thread and the newbie thread to get an idea about how they are expected to conduct themelves. They should pay
particular attention to avoiding off-topic posting and pointless one-liners. We're ALL 'looking forward to hearing
more of so-and-so's results", and we're all "happy to post more results as they happen", so that should be
understood.
In the past most post whores have been warned by the moderators privately on an individual basis.
The sheer number of new users who haven't read the stickies and are consequently on wild posting binges now makes
this impractical. I want to spend my time on the forum reading informative posts submitted by users who took the
time to make sure that what they were saying would be worth reading. I don't want to devote half of my time here to
sending PM's to users who think that they're in a chat room when they are in fact posting on a topic-specific
board. There are boards here for fun and games, and like the serious boards, they are clearly defined.
Deletions, negative reputation hits, and curtailment of posting privileges are among the measures that can be
taken to get this problem under control. It would be unfair to take the more drastic measures without first giving
warning, so that's why I'm posting this.
This post IS that warning!
There are no points that I've made
here which I would consider to be open for debate. Nor is it necessary for anyone to post that they've understood
what I've put forth. Your compliance will be sufficient response. If you have questions you can send me a PM.
Thank You. :)
Oscar
Moderator
Love-Scent Forums
belgareth
12-01-2004, 04:58 PM
I'd like to add a couple other
things. Re-registering under another name and replying to your own posts is not allowed. There are a couple people
doing things like that. It would be a good idea to lose the extra identities now.
An unusually large number of
posts have contained links to other pheromone sites. Some of those links were posted by people that have been here a
long time and know better. Please save Oscar and me the trouble of deleting them by not putting them up. It isn't
fair to Bruce, who kindly provides this forum, to keep that up.
belgareth
03-25-2005, 11:16 AM
It looks like it's time to add
to this thread. Oscar, CptKipling and I are forced to delete too many links lately so I'll add another couple
rules:
1. Please don't post links to competitive sites. They be deleted and if it happens too often we will take
action against the person doing it.
2. Don't try to use this forum to advertise your own site or some affiliate
site. It will be deleted the first time. The second time we will ban you.
Thanks,
Bel
belgareth
01-11-2006, 03:15 PM
I guess its time for another proclamation. You've probably all been eagerly awaiting the next one in
anticipation, right at the edges of your seats and all that.
Today's topic is topics of discussion. There's
been a lot of nonsense coming about the Pherlure thread. As a forum that promotes open discussion on the topic of
pheromones and the science of attraction, we would be wrong to casually ban a particular topic, especially when it
may have something to do with potential pheromones. It doesn't have to be a proven product, it doesn't have to
meet anybody's approval and it doesn't have to have honest marketing to qualify for discussion. All it has to do
is be a product purported to chemically create attraction. In reality, discussion of oddball products is a big
benefit to everybody on the forum. If it turns out to be a good product we alll have a new toy to play with. If it
turns out to be a bunch of trash, a lot of people know about it.
Things we will censor are personal attacks on
others, insults, slander, vulgarity, demeaning or bigoted statements and that type of thing. We also have and will
continue to ban people for the above without warning or hesitation.
Another reminder. There has been, off and
on, discussion about Double Your Dating, David DeAngelo and NLP in the PHEROMONE discussion forum. None of those
topics are about pheromones. Please take them to Open Discussion. I'm not sure how the other moderators feel about
it but I'll simply delete them if they aren't in open discussion.
oscar
10-29-2006, 03:13 PM
There's a sign
that I often see in restaurants and shops that goes something like this:
If you're satisfied with the
service here, please tell your friends!....If you're NOT, PLEASE TELL US!!
It's rather like that here on
this forum too.
Anytime you're dissatisfied, insulted, or otherwise unhappy with a forum policy or the
treatment you receive here, whether from a board officer or ANY user, please don't hesitate to contact Bruce or any
one (or ALL) of the moderators to voice your concern.
There are several options for doing this:
1.
Each post has a "Report Bad Post" icon at the bottom left which automatically notifies Bruce and every moderator.
The box that appears when clicking this icon gives the option for you to enter your comments.
2. Bruce and
the moderators are all available by email and/or Private Message to express your feelings.
3. Between the
"Store and Forum Problems", "Open Discussion", and "Suggestions" boards there are even more options for you to
address your grievance should you choose to do so publicly.
While the moderators of this board may read other
pheromone forums, it's extremely unlikely that any complaints about this forum which are posted elsewhere will be
rectified on the basis of our seeing them there.
Conversely, if you have a complaint about another forum and
choose to air it here, not only will it be unlikely that it will have any positive effect, but it WILL be deleted as
soon as it comes to our attention.
We're not interested in critiquing other forums, nor do I think they
should be interested in critiquing ours.
It is with criticism and user input that forums manage to evolve and
improve. Please give us the benefit of the doubt and address your criticisms of this forum here, at least at first.
If we can't work things out to your satisfaction then you're welcome to go complain about it elsewhere. To go and
complain elsewhere without having addressed your dissatisfaction here would indicate to me either a hidden agenda,
or merely just a taste for "internet drama".
We're here to discuss pheromones. Anyone willing to read,
learn, and share their experiences is welcome. Your views and attitudes won't always coincide with those of other
posters here. They don't always coincide with mine. That's the way it is. With time we learn that to live in this
world it is necessary to accept that others will have beliefs, attitudes, ethics, etc., that we will find fault in.
It's all a part of growing up, and it really doesn't end until you've drawn your last breath. Don't fritter away
any of the priceless time that you have on this earth trying to change or criticise others. Make yourself the best
person that you can be and teach by your example.
Thank You,
Oscar
:)
Moderator
Love-Scent.com Forums
oscar
03-28-2007, 11:07 AM
There's a sign
that I often see in restaurants and shops that goes something like this:
If you're satisfied with the
service here, please tell your friends!....If you're NOT, PLEASE TELL US!!
It's rather like that here on
this forum too.
Anytime you're dissatisfied, insulted, or otherwise unhappy with a forum policy or the
treatment you receive here, whether from a board officer or ANY user, please don't hesitate to contact Bruce or any
one (or ALL) of the moderators to voice your concern.
There are several options for doing this:
1.
Each post has a "Report Bad Post" icon at the bottom left which automatically notifies Bruce and every moderator.
The box that appears when clicking this icon gives the option for you to enter your comments.
2. Bruce and
the moderators are all available by email and/or Private Message to express your feelings.
3. Between the
"Store and Forum Problems", "Open Discussion", and "Suggestions" boards there are even more options for you to
address your grievance should you choose to do so publicly.
While the moderators of this board may read
other pheromone forums, it's extremely unlikely that any complaints about this forum which are posted elsewhere
will be rectified on the basis of our seeing them there.
Conversely, if you have a complaint about another
forum and choose to air it here, not only will it be unlikely that it will have any positive effect, but it WILL be
deleted as soon as it comes to our attention.
We're not interested in critiquing other forums, nor do I
think they should be interested in critiquing ours.
It is with criticism and user input that forums
manage to evolve and improve. Please give us the benefit of the doubt and address your criticisms of this forum
here, at least at first. If we can't work things out to your satisfaction then you're welcome to go complain about
it elsewhere. To go and complain elsewhere without having addressed your dissatisfaction here would indicate to me
either a hidden agenda, or merely just a taste for "internet drama".
We're here to discuss pheromones.
Anyone willing to read, learn, and share their experiences is welcome. Your views and attitudes won't always
coincide with those of other posters here. They don't always coincide with mine. That's the way it is. With time
we learn that to live in this world it is necessary to accept that others will have beliefs, attitudes, ethics,
etc., that we will find fault in. It's all a part of growing up, and it really doesn't end until you've drawn
your last breath. Don't fritter away any of the priceless time that you have on this earth trying to change or
criticise others. Make yourself the best person that you can be and teach by your example.
Thank
You,
Oscar :)
Moderator
Love-Scent.com Forums
(Emphasis added to relevent portion of
post above.)
I just had to remove a complaint about another forum from the Open Discussion board.
I
won't be doing that again without banning someone.
Please carefully read and comply with the rules in the
sticky threads.
Oscar
Moderator
Love-Scent Forums
oscar
09-23-2007, 03:23 AM
For the
attention of all, but especially for those whom the shoe fits :
There are several users who appear to be
jacking up their post counts to the overall detriment of the forums. The methods are many and varied, but the
overall effect is that it takes the serious user more time to see those posts which are truly informative and
worthwhile, and has thus driven many notable contributors to visit the board far less frequently, and some to have
abandoned the forum altogether.
One of the most obvious of these methods comes in the form of
consecutive posts.
If you suddenly remember a few minutes after submitting a post that there's something you
care to add, please use the edit button and insert your addendum in the post you just submitted. When I see a post
that was submitted two or three minutes after a user had just submitted another post, I can't help thinking that in
most cases this is a cheesy attempt at points garnering.
Please give other users the respect they
deserve by gathering your thoughts and proofreading your posts BEFORE hitting the "Submit" button. Additionally,
think whether what you have to say is relevent and contributory before you even hit the "Reply" button. If you
really don't have anything to contribute, please don't bother posting.
Another suggestion I would make for
all users, but especially new ones, is to read all of this thread and the newbie thread to get an idea about how
they are expected to conduct themelves. They should pay particular attention to avoiding off-topic posting and
pointless one-liners. We're ALL 'looking forward to hearing more of so-and-so's results", and we're all "happy
to post more results as they happen", so that should be understood.
In the past most post whores have
been warned by the moderators privately on an individual basis. The sheer number of new users who haven't read the
stickies and are consequently on wild posting binges now makes this impractical. I want to spend my time on the
forum reading informative posts submitted by users who took the time to make sure that what they were saying would
be worth reading. I don't want to devote half of my time here to sending PM's to users who think that they're
in a chat room when they are in fact posting on a topic-specific board. There are boards here for fun and games,
and like the serious boards, they are clearly defined.
Deletions, negative reputation hits, and curtailment
of posting privileges are among the measures that can be taken to get this problem under control. It would be unfair
to take the more drastic measures without first giving warning, so that's why I'm posting this.
This post IS
that warning!
There are no points that I've made here which I would consider to be open for debate.
Nor is it necessary for anyone to post that they've understood what I've put forth. Your compliance will be
sufficient response. If you have questions you can send me a PM.
Thank You. :)
Oscar
Moderator
Love-Scent Forums
Anyone who has the time to post on the boards SHOULD have taken
the time to familiarize themselves with the guidelines within these sticky threads.
Since Private
Messages are no longer enabled, it may be necessary for the moderators to occassionally warn users by posting on the
public boards. Hopefully this will not happen too often.
Oscar :)
belgareth
07-16-2008, 12:11 PM
It's been a while since I've
felt the need to add to this thread. A recent issue has popped up several times in the last couple days though that
really needs to be clarified.
Please do not post links that go to websites that are your affiliate site or have
links to it. And please do not post links to sites containing links to competing sites. Lastly, please do not create
multiple identities here to be used for posting links to other sites.
We have no problem with the discussion of
competing products or the mention of competing sites. We do have a problem with LS affiliates using this site to
promote their sites or using this forum to promote competitors' sites. We also have a problem with vicious attacks
on or untrue statements about competitors or their employees. If you want to do any of that, please do it elsewhere.
We don't play that way.
Thanks
Belgareth
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