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fran1
09-04-2004, 11:57 PM
Well this is only a

comment. I think that SOE products are not coming like in the begining and the effects are diferent now, JVK and

Bruce please, see the products because I think that something is wrong here. I ordered in 3 times SOE and the 3 were

acting different JVK and BRUCE. And I put the same dosis in the same parts. I did not apply OD.
Reactions that I

see now with the new SOE:
1)no staring any more or DHIL looks, only little looks, but not DIHL, but mens make

DIHL looks-----WIERD-----------
2) Womens want to speak at distance, and dont want to come closer.
3) Mens

come closer and fell in some cases afraid of me, nervous and want to run too in some cases.
When I was in a bar

trying to find some girls I begin to speak with the bartender and he get nervous and dont speak to me.
But when

they come closer and I try to begin a conversation of anything to be polite the mens run or dont speak.
4) Make

me sleep more hours than the normal
5) Sometimes make me fell depress for any reason
6)My nose hair, facial

hair and my hair grew more longer than the normal few weeks.
7)agressivenes of the womens in some cases,

specially if a begin the conversation, and the body language of them was open to approach.
8)When I go to the

bathdroom, I see that a women follow me(maybe to feel the odors) but when I try to chat or begin any approach they

get scared.
9)The womens dont open legs or make open body language approach when they are closer to me, only when

I keep distance, very rare, because with the first SOE that I buy is totally the contrary, they are open until the

end.
10) Dont make eye flash brown
11) When I near they pupils are dilated but suddenly we have eye to eye

contact and their pupils get little very fast and want it to look in another place and run.
12)They dont bend or

try to be near to me (womens)
13) I see that more blondes blue eyes are atracted to me than brunettes( sorry I

like brunettes), but when they see me they only want to hide themselves and look me in the distance.
The womens

specially the athletic type were very aggresive with the OLD SOE but now not anymore.
14) when the womens are

alone they keep distance but when they are with the boyfriend or male partner, then she is aggresive and she come in

front of me almost face to face.
She then stare a look to me like stupid, but I dont like this because I dont

want a jelous husband or boyfriend in my day.
15) When they are in group they dont compete anymore for my

attention(only when they are far away)
16)When they dancing they dont make sexy dance, they get shy to

dance.
17)Mens remenber me more than womens when they see me
c'mon--------
I need it to say this, because

I think that SOE is the most important product that I test in my whole life.
Maybe the way lovescent is ship them

or the heat, I dont know, but somethin is happen here.
JVK, BRUCE only a comment.
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fran1
09-05-2004, 12:02 AM
The alpha women type is not

agressive for my attention anymore, and she dont compete for that too.
I am good flirting and dating womens but

here again I need maybe to speak with JVK or BRUce

lordcrazyd
09-05-2004, 09:04 AM
Maybe you have a Build-up of

some sort. Try showering and taking a break from it. I can only assume the build-up may make you look femineme. How

much do you apply. Has your attiude changed besides the mones inflicting it. I noticed when i'm in a happy mood i

get hugeeeeeee hits. I just have one of the faces that i looked pissed off 90% of the time even tho i'm not. GOod

luck

Fuse
09-05-2004, 09:23 AM
I just have one of

the faces that i looked pissed off 90% of the time even tho i'm not. GOod luck

haha me too. I've

been told that dozens of times. I can usually play it off with body language and a friendly tone of voice. But if

I'm not in the mood for socializing, people always assume I'm pissed off.

lifetransform
09-05-2004, 02:25 PM
haha me too.

I've been told that dozens of times. I can usually play it off with body language and a friendly tone of voice. But

if I'm not in the mood for socializing, people always assume I'm pissed off.
same here...it's so

socially disadvantageous to have this kind of face i gotta say. im gonna fix it next year with some surgery.

:thumbsup:

ManBeast
09-05-2004, 08:15 PM
ROFL... I definitely look

pissed off if I'm not at least trying to look happy (especially if it's damn bright out!). I'm sure my build

doesn't help with the "friendly" concept either... Heh.

Also I just very very recently got my SOE and it has

provided nothing but the nice and mild hits that it seems to get for most other people, you are describing some very

strong hits with a mild product... and some symptoms of hormonal changes as well. If you don't mind me asking, how

old are you?

MB

SweetBrenda
09-05-2004, 08:32 PM
I can't imagine trying to

hit on a guy who actually looks "mad/mean" lol that I guess will scare any woman away. Who wants a grouch for a

boyfriend? or visa versa heh... Ummm not me LOL ...

Althou' I may not look mad at all I get a lot of people

telling me I look inocent & sweet!? so when ever I do something out of the norm' I get some reactions from people

like oh my god Brendaaaaaaaaaa I didn't know you were like this or that or wow who would of thought this of you...

You actually done that? wow!! ya' know reactions like that,,, UGH! Sometimes that bothers me...

I guess that

say don't judge a book by it's cover is very true.
So I won't assume someone's mad just by looking at them

huh? ! HAHA

fran1
09-05-2004, 10:14 PM
Maybe is a build up, and I will take a SAUNA or a Steem room to put out the pheromones like

you said.
But again, I see that my last 2 orders were diferent reactions, and the first SOE that I buy is still

working great.
Another reaction is with a women that I really like it, she smell SOE the last order and treat me

bad, then I try with the original SOE that I buy the first time and she was very nice, then I tried it without SOE

and she want it to go out with me.
(I really like her).
Well there are not DHIL looks anymore I think that is

something missing here.
I want the DHIL looks again, maybe is something missing.

fran1
09-05-2004, 10:40 PM
Another thing when womens look me,

they dont look me in a friedly way, they look me very serious.
Please help JVK, your product is great but we need

help now

bjf
09-05-2004, 10:47 PM
Fran1, so much of the stuff you

describe resembles experiences people have with none products.

I think you have a very unusual body chemistry

that causes the SOE to act differently on you than it might on others. Have you tried hair or clothing applications

as an alternative to skin? I am not saying it will be the cure-all, but it is somewhere to start.

ManBeast
09-05-2004, 11:26 PM
I seriously think there are

some hormonal changes going on... ESPECIALLY

6)My nose hair, facial hair and my hair grew more longer than the

normal few weeks.

I ask again... how old are you? I'm just trying to help you out here.

MB

fran1
09-06-2004, 08:27 PM
I am 33, 6 foot, athletic, white

skin, european look.
Again, I see the effects only with the last SOE, and not DHIL looks.
With the first one

SOE the effects are good even DHIL LOOKS.

bjf
09-06-2004, 08:42 PM
SOE bottles have gone skunky before.

I think I heard of it twice before - once for sure with FTR (FullTiltRedhead).

Perhaps

this is what happened. Does it smell any different then the old bottle did?

fran1
09-06-2004, 08:51 PM
Yes its smell different a little

bit.....
I note it fast for the smell, but for the DHIL looks that womens give me before.
I dont hear JVK or

BRUCE anymore.
I am dissapointed.

bjf
09-06-2004, 08:55 PM
Love scent has a pretty good return

policy. Not sure about the S&H thing. That has to cost a lot from where you are.

Get the SOE gel packets

when it is offered as a freebie. Try that stuff and see if your results turn back to normal. I also worry if you

are using too much of this stuff too frequently.

Another thing - accumulate 4000 points and get a 50 percent

coupon. Try either another SOE if you want (after you've gotten the free sample gel packets) or try another

product.

fran1
09-06-2004, 08:59 PM
Thanks for the advice.
But I do

not apply OD.
Do you think that Sauna or steem room will make disapear the build up?

Zeus
09-06-2004, 09:03 PM
Isnt it 5000 points for the coupon

:>)

Ahhhh the pleasure of a deer in headlights. VROOOOOOOOOMMM


Now did you say you do or dont like the

hormonal changes from the mones?

bjf
09-06-2004, 09:04 PM
Yea, if you sweat out the stuff that

might help. How frequently do you use?

I can't remember what hormonal changes Nol causes in men, but if you

are using extremely often, you could be altering your hormone levels, and thus own natural pheromone

production.

I know of a forum member who breaks out with acne from SOE. I think that is from increased

T-levels, no? Also, some people were recently talking about the thickening of hair, hair color darkening from using

pheromones. So, I personally think their is a slight feedback loop with pheromones, though I don't think any of

the hormal changes are significant enough to be dangerous.

Not sure - i guess it is 5000, couldn't

remember.

Zeus
09-06-2004, 09:10 PM
I dont see why nol would cause

hormonal changes? Hmmm...

You think that would help or hurt his natural production of pheromones. What types of

hormones do NONE and RONE effect? Couplins are supposed to increase your testosterone 150% thats 2.5 times your

current level. No Wonder I Have a Huge Throbbing Whale Dick!!! My girlfriend thought i was some type of mutant as

she tried to fit herself around me!

bjf
09-06-2004, 09:12 PM
I don't know if Rone causes any

hormonal changes, I would speculate nothing.

Not sure about none either, obviously it makes us feel

testosteroney, but that could be occuring from what it does in our brain.

In general, no one should worry

about using pheromones and the effect of their own signatures or hormones, as far as I can tell.

Zeus
09-06-2004, 09:19 PM
Im not fat (no offense if you are)

but from common knowledge if you go on a diet for a long time where you dont eat a certain type of nutrient fat,

carbs, whatever than your body trys to salvage as much of that as it can by building proteins that collect whatever

nutrient that is. When you go off the diet than your body is going to sponge up an exorbitant amount of that

nutrient. Im not sure if it works both ways. But my guess is that if your body is being given a huge amount of some

nutrient than it will waste less of its resources on accumulating and producing it.

fran1
09-06-2004, 09:36 PM
I only want that JVK and Bruce said

something about it.
I miss the DHIL looks, and I think the product is not coming like before.

jvkohl
09-06-2004, 10:05 PM
There has been no change in any SOE

product. Obviously, the formula stays the same because the formula is well researched. Didn't Fran1 post a few

months ago that he had somehow altered his SOE? If a bottle has gone bad, you will notice both a color change

(yellowish hue) and a change in clarity (cloudy; not clear). However, the only time I've seen this change is when I

forgot about a bottle left in direct sunlight (and heat) for more than two months.

JVK

oscar
09-06-2004, 10:18 PM
James,

Words fail me.
If you've eaten recently DO NOT

CLICK HERE! (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9925)

Oscar :blink:

lifetransform
09-06-2004, 10:30 PM
whoa, did u go on a safari

or something Jkohl?

reminds me of our cali governor from predator 1 haha :thumbsup:

jvkohl
09-07-2004, 05:57 PM
whoa, did u go

on a safari or something Jkohl?

Something!
The pic is at the Chicamauga battlefield, taken last

summer after I rode there on the motorcycle. For those of you who are not familiar with the battle at Chicamauga, it

is somewhat famous in some circles. Some say that all the Chicamauga indians were wiped out during the battle--at

least that's what a friend told me before I went there for the first time. For those of you who are interested in

history, the true story of Chicamauga may be more interesting.
JVK

jvkohl
09-07-2004, 05:59 PM
Oscar, thanks for finding the post I

vaguely remembered. Who knows what Fran1 might be doing to alter SOE?

JVK

MOBLEYC57
09-07-2004, 08:24 PM
Who knows what

Fran1 might be doing to alter SOE?

JVK
:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol:

fran1
09-12-2004, 01:33 AM
JVK hi, nice that you post.
Well

in that time I divide the content of the bottle in 2 part, and with one I make chemical changes and I will not use

anymore, but with the other (the original SOE) that I still have it and I did not make any chemical changes I still

using it and is working great.
I ordered 3 times SOE again, because I really want it the original reaction that I

have with SOE and is more secure for me.
But the bottles that I ordered, worked in the contrary, like explain you

before.
And one of the best way to see that the products were not working was to see the DIHL looks, with the

last 2 the reaction were completely diferent and no DIHL looks, but with the first SOE that I buy I still have the

DIHL looks.
Again JVK your product is my favorite, but I think that maybe someone did not handle the product in

the right way the last 2 times(maybe in the shipment or sticker changes). And if you read the forum there are some

people that make some complains almost similar like mine JVK.
If I did not like it your product and the formula,

(that I think can work for other projects not only for attracting) I will prefer do not say nothing and I prefer to

complain for my money back, but again I really like it and I want that you with bruce see whats happening. I even

send the last 2 bottles to bruce and their team to see why this reactions are different from the original SOE that I

buy.

Responsable consumer

Numanoid
09-12-2004, 05:19 AM
James,

Words

fail me.
If you've eaten recently DO NOT CLICK

HERE! (http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9925)

Oscar :blink::rofl: Some of those reply posts are just too funny. Elana's,

Jamesdeanmartin's and Tallmacky's in particular.

bjf
09-12-2004, 05:56 AM
Fran maybe you've accumulated a lot

of converted pheromones on your skin from using pheromones often. Assuming you didn't have that prior to your

first bottle of soe, perhaps that is the reason for the change.

fran1
09-12-2004, 06:10 PM
Yes but that post were in the past,

when I make changes with the original SOE Forrmula.
But now is different. I think that bruce can help.

CptKipling
09-12-2004, 06:15 PM
Stop using SOE for a week or

two and wash well. If the problem is still there, maybe it's because you are acting differently?

fran1
09-12-2004, 07:04 PM
I already doing that believe

me.
I am even taken jacuzzy, and SAUNA session plus running and sweating a lot.
Tell me if is good to apply

alcohol too, to destroy the build up that maybe is still in my skin.
Did you notice any changes in DIHL looks

bottle with new SOE orders?
With me like I told you, only one bottle si working well.

ManBeast
09-12-2004, 08:40 PM
I'd actually talk to a doctor

and see how your natural hormone levels are doing... Maybe your "prized mix" is no longer effective because you are

not producing the same base pheromonal signature.

MB

fran1
09-12-2004, 10:11 PM
Can be!, but I dont think so.
I

will have in mind MB.

CptKipling
09-13-2004, 05:01 AM
When was the last time you wore

SOE?