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belgareth
08-08-2004, 09:30 AM
Ok, I finally gave in
and tried mixing the two. After a shower but before getting dressed I sprayed one shot of TE and three of Chikara on
my chest from about a foot away. About two hours later a group of us went to a dinner theater/murder mystery. There
were three couples, two unattached females and one unattached male in our group. It was a good show with a lot of
audience participation.
It's a non-smoking environment but very casual and since it was warm we were all
wearing shorts and light shirts. The wine list had a good Napa Valley Merlot that I bought a few too many bottles of
so we were all a bit buzzed. Our table was a little crowded and we were sitting huddled to one side of it so
everybody could get a good view of the show. On my right was one of the unattached females, an attractive blonde of
about 30; she didn't have anybody to her right. My SO was to my left and the other unattached lady to her left. I
think that was on purpose because niether seem to want to be near the only unattached male and he ended up forced to
sit at the far end.
At some point right after we finished eating the girl on my right went to the restrooms.
When she came back she discreetly moved her chair a couple inches closer to mine so her leg was pressed up against
mine. For the rest of the evening she was constantly talking to me and would put her hand on my arm every time she
said something. If she wasn't doing that, she had her hand in her lap so her arm was laying partially across my leg
or resting on my knee.
The girl to our left got up a few minutes later and started to walk past us. I had my back
to her so couldn't see what she was doing but heard her stop right behind me for about two seconds. When she came
back she leaned between my SO and me to say something to us and put her hand on my shoulder and started massaging it
while she talked. She stayed there for probably ten minutes, rubbing my shoulder while watching the show. Jessica
finally got irritated and said something to her about sitting down so we could watch the show. Every time she got up
after that she would rub her hand across my back as she walked by.
We were all just a little drunk and I have
known both these girls for a while. They flirt but neither has ever invaded my personal space like that before.
After the show I wanted to clear my head a bit before driving home so Jess and I decided to walk a couple blocks
and get dessert at a marble slab creamery. The girl from my right joined us. Ever try walking while holding hands
with somebody quite a bit shorter than you while the person on your other side keeps trying to walk sidled up
against you? It isn't easy, especially when you have a buzz going. If I hadn't been careful we could have ended up
walking in a ten foot circle until one or more of us sobered up.
Nothing interesting happened afterwards. We
got our ice creams and wandered around long enough to eat them. It took a while to get rid of the other girl, she
was intent on keeping us company but we both wanted some privacy. I did get a spectacular, full body hug before we
peeled our friend off me and sent her home, at least I hope she went home. She was sober enough that I wasn't
worried about her well being but seemed horny enough to rape some innocent passer by.
My SO was a little pissed
so we stopped at the park and took a nice moonlit walk before going home. She calmed down quickly enough and the
rest the night was very pleasant.
metroman
08-08-2004, 11:55 AM
Nice story Bel...:)
Friendly1
08-08-2004, 12:23 PM
I agree. Great report.
DAdams91982
08-08-2004, 12:54 PM
Damn... I gotta try that
mix. 8-)
Adams
Ok, I finally gave
in and tried mixing the two. After a shower but before getting dressed I sprayed one shot of TE and three of Chikara
on my chest from about a foot away. About two hours later a group of us went to a dinner theater/murder mystery.
There were three couples, two unattached females and one unattached male in our group. It was a good show with a lot
of audience participation.
It's a non-smoking environment but very casual and since it was warm we were all
wearing shorts and light shirts. The wine list had a good Napa Valley Merlot that I bought a few too many bottles of
so we were all a bit buzzed. Our table was a little crowded and we were sitting huddled to one side of it so
everybody could get a good view of the show. On my right was one of the unattached females, an attractive blonde of
about 30; she didn't have anybody to her right. My SO was to my left and the other unattached lady to her left. I
think that was on purpose because niether seem to want to be near the only unattached male and he ended up forced to
sit at the far end.
At some point right after we finished eating the girl on my right went to the restrooms.
When she came back she discreetly moved her chair a couple inches closer to mine so her leg was pressed up against
mine. For the rest of the evening she was constantly talking to me and would put her hand on my arm every time she
said something. If she wasn't doing that, she had her hand in her lap so her arm was laying partially across my leg
or resting on my knee.
The girl to our left got up a few minutes later and started to walk past us. I had my
back to her so couldn't see what she was doing but heard her stop right behind me for about two seconds. When she
came back she leaned between my SO and me to say something to us and put her hand on my shoulder and started
massaging it while she talked. She stayed there for probably ten minutes, rubbing my shoulder while watching the
show. Jessica finally got irritated and said something to her about sitting down so we could watch the show. Every
time she got up after that she would rub her hand across my back as she walked by.
We were all just a little
drunk and I have known both these girls for a while. They flirt but neither has ever invaded my personal space like
that before.
After the show I wanted to clear my head a bit before driving home so Jess and I decided to
walk a couple blocks and get dessert at a marble slab creamery. The girl from my right joined us. Ever try walking
while holding hands with somebody quite a bit shorter than you while the person on your other side keeps trying to
walk sidled up against you? It isn't easy, especially when you have a buzz going. If I hadn't been careful we
could have ended up walking in a ten foot circle until one or more of us sobered up.
Nothing interesting
happened afterwards. We got our ice creams and wandered around long enough to eat them. It took a while to get rid
of the other girl, she was intent on keeping us company but we both wanted some privacy. I did get a spectacular,
full body hug before we peeled our friend off me and sent her home, at least I hope she went home. She was sober
enough that I wasn't worried about her well being but seemed horny enough to rape some innocent passer by.
My SO was a little pissed so we stopped at the park and took a nice moonlit walk before going home. She calmed
down quickly enough and the rest the night was very pleasant.
If you were to pick just one of those
two which would it be? I'm leaving for college in two weeks and I'm trying to find a good pheromone to take with
me cuz I'm gonna be down south for 4 months and need something that will work. I'm leaning towards TE/NPA or
Chikara but I can only get one.
Friendly1
08-08-2004, 02:39 PM
You need more than one
fragrance in your arsenal. Otherwise, you'll be boring and predictable.
Let me add that, since Belgareth did
well with a heavy Chikara/light The Edge mix and I did not do well with a heavy The Edge/light Chikara mix, the
early indications are that it's better to favor Chikara over The Edge (in number of applications) when mixing
them.
But we still need to see how well the mixes work for others.
belgareth
08-08-2004, 02:57 PM
If you were to pick
just one of those two which would it be? I'm leaving for college in two weeks and I'm trying to find a good
pheromone to take with me cuz I'm gonna be down south for 4 months and need something that will work. I'm leaning
towards TE/NPA or Chikara but I can only get one.
Beyond question I would choose Chikara.
cuddlebear
08-08-2004, 03:00 PM
Or if your budget permits,
maybe a couple TE gel packs AND Chikara ... I know I'm repeating myself since I put that answer in another thread
too ... :)
TRock
08-08-2004, 05:57 PM
If you were to pick
just one of those two which would it be? I'm leaving for college in two weeks and I'm trying to find a good
pheromone to take with me cuz I'm gonna be down south for 4 months and need something that will work. I'm leaning
towards TE/NPA or Chikara but I can only get one.
i'm a college guy myself. i'm 22. i've been getting
good reslut the last 2 weekends with 2 dabs te, 2 swipes of soe, and 4 sprays of chikara. i was out of town to visit
my buddy last weekend. he had 2 females friends that usually don't hang out with him on the weekends(both 8's). we
ran into them the 1st night we were there and that night they were like they wanted to hang out with us the next
day. one girl bought me a drink at the bar the next night, my friend was shocked because that girl always tries to
get guys to buy her drinks. and after the club, at the restuarant the other girl was feeding me and when i looked
into her eyes they were dilated. i was hung over from the night before so i wasn't talkative, friendly or anything
like that either, i just stayed quiet and made some comments once in a while. the next night i OD and didn't really
get any reactions from them.
last night i bought a female friend, who i hope i can turn into fuck buddies, with
me and my friends to a strip club. even though she acts like we're just friends, there was alot of contact intiated
by her.
and on friday night a girl hit on me but i wasn't wearing any mones. my dumbass dropped the ball and
didn't get here number. she was about a 6.5-7. only excuse i can give is i wasn't in the meeting a girl mood b/c i
was hanging out with my sister, but deep down i just dropped the ball. but overall the last 2 weekends have been
great for me.
i can't wait to get back to school and basically have a whole city of 18-22 year old girls to try
mones on.
CptKipling
08-08-2004, 05:59 PM
Ok, I finally
gave in and tried mixing the two.Hurrah! ;)
Although I have seen results from 3 dabs of TE and 2 sprays
of C7.
belgareth
08-08-2004, 07:32 PM
Hurrah! ;)
Although I have seen results, from 3 dabs of TE and 2 sprays of C7.
Cpt,
I've had such good luck
with just C7, I didn't see any real reason to change it. But I also have a huge supply of mones from purchasing
whenever something I use goes on sale. It seemed a shame to let it all sit so another experiment was started. Over
the next few weeks I'll play with the doses in different environments. The fact that we were all drinking probably
had some if not a lot of impact on my results. I'd like to see what happens in my normal work day world.
CptKipling
08-09-2004, 02:41 AM
Larger applications definately
have their place, I have been wearing something similar to your original application (plus AE) in clubs.
Elvis
12-06-2004, 04:36 AM
Great post belgareth! This thread
has got me excited. I've just received my Chikara along with gel packs of SOE and AE. I already have TE and SPMO
so, I'm looking forward to experimenting. I may give your recipe a shot in the near future, I'll let you know.
j5fakt0r
12-06-2004, 08:23 AM
I would also like to say that
it's because of posts like these that influence me to buy chikara... Was your version the old batch by the way?
Or does it really not make a difference?
belgareth
12-06-2004, 08:44 AM
If I remember it was the beta
but it has been a while. Recently I've been playing with the 'weak' batch and believe it has the full pheromone
concentration as all the rest, just the scent is weak. It combines very nicely with Pheros and that combo has given
me many good hits.
tiberius
12-08-2004, 04:16 PM
I have a question about the
difference in the scents between the beta and final versions of chikara. I just ordered a bottle of it yesterday,
but I have been experimenting with some gel packs. Ive tried 2 so far and one had a much different scent than the
other and I was wondering if they released beta and final versions of chikara in gel packs or just one or the other,
and if so why would one smell soo much different than the other?
belgareth
12-08-2004, 05:08 PM
That's pretty strange. As far
as I know, the Chikara gel packs should all be identical. They came from the most recent batch.
tiberius
12-08-2004, 05:47 PM
Hmm, I dont know. The first one
I tried was warmer than the other maybe that had something to do with it. The best way I can describe its scent was
sharp (as in the same sense you would equate with an acidic food or maybe something tangy). The other was much more
smooth and had a stronger musk scent. I liked the scent of the second one much more than the first.
belgareth
12-08-2004, 06:36 PM
Maybe there is another problem
with the mixing. I don't know a lot about how they formulate it so couldn't even guess why they are different.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 02:31 AM
Y'all are making me want to
try heavy doses again. Usually I do two dabs of Edge and 2 sprays C7. But I haven't had a "from Mars" reaction in a
while.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 02:35 AM
Doc,
I've been wearing 3-4
sprays of the weak Chikara, several dabs of Pheros and a single spray of TE unscented lately, it's a killer
combo.
Elvis
12-09-2004, 06:20 AM
I'm going to a pub/disco tonight.
I'm considering 1 spray TE, 3 sprays Chikara (new one) and 1/3 gel pack SOE. Is this too much?
My best result so
far was with 1 spray TE and about 8 drops SPMO. Later I applied another 0.5 spray TE with 1.5 sprays SPMO from 10ml
LS atomiser. It rocked.
Also, I'm wondering if there is room for AE gel in all this. I haven't tried it yet
but I've heard it is goos for "attention-grabbing", I'd like some o' that.
Any ideas? I'm leaving in about 8
hours.
man, AE tooo??? No, just stick with
your original mix.
Elvis
12-09-2004, 08:56 AM
man, AE tooo??? No,
just stick with your original mix.
Ok, hypothetically speaking...if I were to eventually use
TE/SOE/Chikara combo (let's forget AE for now then) would the amounts I posted above be likely to be an OD? I
could, of course, revert back to my original mix tonight. I had a good time with it last week but, I'd really like
to push the boundaries because I believe I can take things further. I know I can get better results from my 'mones.
I've just received my Chikara and I'm very keen to put it through it's paces. Also, I've only used SOE a couple
of times but I noticed some good reactions so, I wanted to include it into the mix.
I thought about SOE on
arms/wrists/shoulders (to create friendly aura/breakdown barriers) and then TE/Chikara on chest/neck area to suck
'em in further. What d'ya think?
MOBLEYC57
12-09-2004, 09:37 AM
Ok, hypothetically
speaking...if I were to eventually use TE/SOE/Chikara combo (let's forget AE for now then) would the amounts I
posted above be likely to be an OD?
I'd say NOPE, not for a club. :blink:
belgareth][/b]
Doc,
I've been wearing 3-4 sprays of the weak Chikara, several dabs of
Pheros and a single spray of TE unscented lately, it's a killer combo.
That sounds like a pretty
interesting mix, Bel.:whip: I'm not Doc, but could you please ... tell me more!? Tell me more! :rant: The Where's,
the How's, and allllllllll of the naughty Whats? :blink:
belgareth
12-09-2004, 10:55 AM
That sounds
like a pretty interesting mix, Bel.:whip: I'm not Doc, but could you please ... tell me more!? Tell me more! :rant:
The Where's, the How's, and allllllllll of the naughty Whats? :blink:
It's been my running experiment
for the last couple months. My logic was that the weak Chikara scent wears off fast while the Chikara and TE mones
have proven to be a great combo for me. Everybody who has smelled Pheros on me loves it and it does contain several
potent compounds unrelated to the other two. My application is 3-4 sprays of Chikara to my neck and chest, 1 of TE
to the same place and 1 dab Pheros to each side of the neck and one split between my wrists, all before getting
dressed.
One of the more extreme hits.
Linda is one of the black belts at the dojo where I work out. We're
pretty good friends and spar together a lot. She's in her early 30's, 5' 5", brown hair and eyes, slender, nice
looking and moves like a cat! I had refreshed my mones about 2 PM then went to work out at about 6:30. She came over
at the begining of the session to stretch next to me. That's not unusual. She commented on the nice cologne as we
were finishing up stretching. When we began to spar, she seemed pretty normal but as we both started to sweat she
seemed to get a little fuzzy and started missing things she shouldn't have missed. At one point she stumbled in a
kick and fell back against me. I caught her around the waist to keep her from falling and she hung there for a
moment, mumbled something about how good that felt and laid her head back against my chest. When she stood up she
reached out, rubbed my upper arm and commented that she didn't realize how strong I am. This is all pretty unusual
for her. After the workout we did our cooldowns together then sat down to BS. She sat close enough to make me a bit
nervous, our upper legs to our shoulders were in full contact, again, very unusual. She seemed a little nervous and
at one point told me that my cologne should be illegal, it made me smell edible. She's married so the whole thing
made me uncomfortable but was fun.
Beyond that, I get looks, smiles and flirting almost on a daily basis from
teenage girls through old women. The ladies I mentioned in a previous post are still very friendly with me and I get
lots of hugs and kisses from them with full body contact. In general, it seems like a great combo that really opens
people up to me and makes them want to be close to me.
Elvis, I think the application is
fine for a club. Notice what bel did too. He puts on a decent amount of mones (some say a spray of Te is an od),
but it is on his chest, under clothes.
That is different then just putting all the stuff on his jawline for
instance. So it is not just amount, but where you put it that factors into the equation.
MOBLEYC57
12-09-2004, 11:33 AM
Elvis, I think the
application is fine for a club. Notice what bel did too. He puts on a decent amount of mones (some say a spray of Te
is an od), but it is on his chest, under clothes.
That is different then just putting all the stuff on
his jawline for instance. So it is not just amount, but where you put it that factors into the
equation.
I'm a believer of that ... thanks to Senior Friendly1. :thumbsup:
Bel, thanks for sharing!
:box:
Mobley, do you think wearing under
clothes in perhaps larger amounts is more beneficial?
MOBLEYC57
12-09-2004, 12:01 PM
Mobley, do you think
wearing under clothes in perhaps larger amounts is more beneficial?Now you're trying to make me wear the
MAD SCIENTST CAP! :trout: I can't say, but I've tried Senior Friendly1's 4, 5, and 6 sprays of TE unscented
before getting dressed, and 6 dabs of APC, and everywhere I went ... the eyes were constantly on me! :lovestruc
Mones and muscles perhaps, but geez! Felt great! :thumbsup:
Elvis
12-09-2004, 12:08 PM
Thanks guys, gotta dash...I'll
report later if anything interesting happens. (Like getting beaten up by the bouncer, or something!) :rofl:
belgareth
12-09-2004, 12:12 PM
Mobley, do you think
wearing under clothes in perhaps larger amounts is more beneficial?
BJF,
For what it's worth, I wear
cotton almost exclusively. My reasoning behind putting it on my skin under my shirt is that cotton breaths and
allows the mones to disperse well in a semi controlled manner. It seems to work well, I can usually still smell the
mones ofter 6-8 hours.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 12:46 PM
So is this all without A1 or
WAGG?
belgareth
12-09-2004, 12:57 PM
So is this
all without A1 or WAGG?
Yup, just the products I mentioned. Pheros keeps getting me attention and it seems
to compliment the other two to make an effective (killer) mix
Now you're trying
to make me wear the MAD SCIENTST CAP! :trout: I can't say, but I've tried Senior Friendly1's 4, 5, and 6 sprays
of TE unscented before getting dressed, and 6 dabs of APC, and everywhere I went ... the eyes were constantly on me!
:lovestruc Mones and muscles perhaps, but geez! Felt great! :thumbsup:
Thanks. I have tried
similar but the te just makes me feel to pissed off. Also, if you sweat, it really reaks, and it just makes your
shirts stink in general and mones them up.
That aside, it might be a more effective technique.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 01:08 PM
Yup, just the
products I mentioned. Pheros keeps getting me attention and it seems to compliment the other two to make an
effective (killer) mix I'm glad Pheros is working as designed for you. The idea with it -- other
than smelling pleasant, erotic and captivating -- was to provide a multitude of otherwise unavailable active
compounds that would complement the rest. You do cover an awful lot of pheromone and aromatherapy bases with those
three together.
Maybe A1 or WAGG would be gilding the lily. But it would be hard to let go of using them for
me. But who knows -- it's possible that everything in A1 and WAGG is already in your combo, with all the mystery
ingredients involved.
What is your hygiene practice?
Have you tried adding a drop of A1 or dab of WAGG?
Would you be interested in trying it? I'd love to know what those additions would do, be it positive or negative.
Bel, is that the new or old Pheros
that you use?
belgareth
12-09-2004, 01:19 PM
This combo is built on earlier
success with TE and Chikara. Adding A1 or WAGG might be a good option to expand the experiment later. I usually like
to get at least four months records before I switch anything. You might recall that I provide a regular monthly
service in multiple office environments, it gives me pretty well controlled tests that I can quantify.
I shower
every morning using a liquid 'soap' that is more detergent than soap. If I work out, I shower again afterwards but
unless I am going out do not re-apply mones. I also have a lot of chest hair which figured into my decision to use
the mones on my chest. I assume there is some build up and conversion but have no way to be certain.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 01:20 PM
Bel, is that the new
or old Pheros that you use?
It's the new. I ran out of the old a long time ago :sad:
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 01:32 PM
We've seen more hit stories
with the new version, for sure. Then again, there were only 100 bottles of the beta, and maybe 50 users considering
multiple-bottle purchases. So there are more users to report things now. The new version does have significantly
more of the most active ingredients, and is more concentrated to boot.
I hope you saved the old bottle,
though.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 01:34 PM
I hope you
saved the old bottle, though.
Since I like the cork to dab with, I transferred the new product into the
old bottle.
Doc, have we seen more hit stories
with the new version?
I know you are privey to pm's and sms' that we can't all see.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 01:56 PM
I think the stories from the
new version have been more dramatic -- though they were certainly there with the beta. The upgrade is more powerful
and muskier.
I still prefer the old bottles, though. You can even use them to sneak a shot of good whiskey into
a bar.
I still
prefer the old bottles, though. You can even use them to sneak a shot of good whiskey into a bar.
:rofl: :rofl:
I love the old bottles too. Did the manufactuer discontinue them? They are quite elegant
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 02:12 PM
They were elegant to hold and
carry, too. My source dried up for the time being. But he knows to keep looking for me. Some more could turn up.
They had diappeared for two years before, but then reappeared in time for the beta Pheros. I had never seen a
little bottle anything like them (For newbies: it was the same bottle pictured in the link below).
MOBLEYC57
12-09-2004, 04:12 PM
Also, if you sweat,
it really reaks, and it just makes your shirts stink in general and mones them up.Every since Bassman said
that he found that the mones reaching out from its cover scent was a good thing, I've embraced STANK. STANK IS
GOOD! :thumbsup: We often turn our nose up to MUSK/MUSTINESS/ STANK, but it's not all bad. I once had a girlfriend
that stuck her nose up in my armpit (non mone days), and took giant sniffs. I thought the child was wacko, but since
I've been here, I've seen the light on that subject!:whip: I say, "Let'em smell, and smile!" :thumbsup:
MOBLEYC57
12-09-2004, 04:16 PM
This combo is
built on earlier success with TE and Chikara. I usually like to get at least four months records before I switch
anything. You might recall that I provide a regular monthly service in multiple office environments, it gives me
pretty well controlled tests that I can quantify.
Bel, I do hope you report your 4 month findings at the
end of your testing period. :think: T'would be niiiiice to read your thoughts/results on your CHIKA:PHEROS:TE
combo. :POKE:
Thankya! :thumbsup:
Mobley, I've cleared out rooms with
the stank. My stank adventures have been anything but fun. Could it just be me?
belgareth
12-09-2004, 04:55 PM
Bel, I do hope
you report your 4 month findings at the end of your testing period. :think: T'would be niiiiice to read your
thoughts/results on your CHIKA:PHEROS:TE combo. :POKE:
Thankya! :thumbsup:You've already read most of
what my summary will be. Pheros compliments weak Chikara and TE providing strong sexual hits from a wide age range.
Never found OD levels for Chikara while going as high as 6 sprays but I had OD reactions from the combo when wearing
more than 2 sprays of TE. I never tried to OD on Pheros.
We'll be having about a dozen or so people over for
New Years Eve and I plan to run this mix at least through then. A couple of the ladies who will be there have been
pretty friendly at past events. I wouldn't mind ending up cuddling with the three agin, it would be a great way to
start the new year.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 06:21 PM
This combo is built on earlier success with TE and Chikara. Adding A1 or WAGG might be
a good option to expand the experiment later. I usually like to get at least four months records before I switch
anything. You might recall that I provide a regular monthly service in multiple office environments, it gives me
pretty well controlled tests that I can quantify. I do appreciate your feedback, Bel.
That's great that
you have controlled your experimentation like that. :thumbsup:
So I have to ask you to remember the times you
wore the combo, and interacted with women -- and think, then: What seems like the unique effect that Pheros
added to your existing, successful mix? :think:
...
Done thinking about it yet? OK. :)
From your
story it sounds like it might have evoked the direct initiation of intimacy, desire and closeness -- breaking
down those boundaries -- through the production of pleasure in the woman. In other words, it sounds like a pretty
direct sexual intimacy generating effect, to a greater or lesser degree.
Is that close to what it has been for
you? She also seemed to perceive you as stronger, or more alpha -- but it was more a "comforter and protector
alpha". She didn't perceive you as aggressive, even in an aggressive situation, and was not able to be as
aggessive with you. But I can't tell what part was unique to the three product combo that included Pheros as
its new component.
If so, that would be consistent with some other reports here and my own experience with
Pheros and other similar formulas I've whipped up. Friendliness, comfort, physical arousal and stress
reduction have been reported too. But I want to get as accurate and precise as I can with the overall picture
of what specifically the product adds, especially since it's so complex in terms of the number of
ingredients.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 06:52 PM
It's only coincidental that I
can control my experiments because of my work. There was no plan to do so, it just happened that way.
First, I
think Pheros has a very pleasant smell and every woman who has commented on it has said the same. I think I even
sold a couple bottles of it for you when a client's wife asked me about it. I told her you made it in a limited
batch only available from one place and showed her where to order some. She says she ordered two bottles to give her
husband for Christmas.
It seems to me that if a person likes a scent they are more likely to take deeper
breaths, intaking more mones at the same time. That was the theory that got me to add Pheros to the mix.
I've
always been a bit of a lone wolf and have a large personal space. Maybe I just don't come across as cuddly or my
body language warns them off. The Chikara and TE mix gets me hits all the time and my intent was to intensify that
through the method I just mentioned. What I noticed is that people started coming closer, wanting to be nearer to
me. I get a lot more physical attention from women other than my SO, attention I would not have expected previously.
By that I mean more women rubbing up against me, drive by boobings, sitting in close contact or just reaching out to
touch my hand or arm. It startled me the first few times but now it seems like an everyday occurance.
I guess
you could say that it encourages physical intamacy. It seems to loosen the tongue a bit too. I've found women
telling me personal things I never would have expected to hear from them.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 06:57 PM
Thanks!
Please note the
edit of my summary of your hit (sorry for my obsessiveness) and let me know if it changes anything.
It also
struck me that she crossed substantive boundaries as if they weren't there -- like her being married, for
example.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 06:58 PM
If so, that
would be consistent with some other reports here and my own experience with Pheros and other similar formulas
I've whipped up. Friendliness, comfort, physical arousal and stress reduction have been reported too. But I want to
get as accurate and precise as I can with the overall picture of what specifically the product adds,
especially since it's so complex in terms of the number of ingredients.I think I related a story to you
through PM about a female office manager for one of my clients I took to lunch one day. She was pretty stressed when
we left the office. Normally it takes her all day to calm down. Once we got in my car, she started mellowing almost
instantly. By time we got to the resturant she was cheerful and bubbly. We even went for ice creams after lunch and
walked in a small park while eating them. It made her late back to work and she didn't seem to care at all. Was
probably the most pleasant lunch her and I have had together. I was wearing this combo then too.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 07:00 PM
That seems to speak to the
creation of pleasure in the "target", and the relief of displeasure -- an opiate or endorphin type of effect.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 07:02 PM
That seems
to speak to the creation of pleasure in the "target".Maybe...
A relaxed, comfortable feeling. Not sure
the best way to describe it though now that you ask it is distinctive.
Warm fuzzies?
I don't think it
increases the alpha so much as takes the edge off it. I am pretty strongly alpha anyway, that's probably why I get
OD responses with so little none in my mixes. Chikara and Pheros seem to lesson the snarling wolf effect.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 07:04 PM
I love that this
qualitative data is starting to accumulate.
Thanks again!
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 07:08 PM
Maybe...
A relaxed, comfortable feeling. Not sure the best way to describe it though now that you ask it is distinctive.
Warm fuzzies?
I don't think it increases the alpha so much as takes the edge off it. I am pretty strongly
alpha anyway, that's probably why I get OD responses with so little none in my mixes. Chikara and Pheros seem to
lesson the snarling wolf effect."Warm fuzzies" sounds like emotional pleasure, and the rest sounds like a
soothing of the autonomic nervous system.
I am a psychologist, after all.
I think there's a difference
between the kind of alpha you simply fear and the kind you nest with. One is more adolescent, and the other more
manly, more fatherly (in general; not as a father for the target). One is for soldiers, and the other for Kings.
Here in America we watch too many terminator movies; and think that alpha is the same as "badass". But the badasses,
the Brad Pitts or whatever, are not the wise leaders of the tribe that need to be kept happy with a constant supply
of nubile flesh. ;) :p
Doc, you got to start telling us more
about what is in the Pheros that is reputed to do what you suspect the product is doing. I know the valerian
relaxes, and obviously you have mentioned that and eos from chamomile to jasmine, but you have probably mentioned,
what 25 out of the 150 ingredients?
Why not tickle us with the story of the other substances in Pheros.
belgareth
12-09-2004, 07:15 PM
Warm fuzzies
sounds like emotional pleasure, and the rest sounds like a soothing of the autonomic nervous system.
I am a
psychologist, after all.
I think there's a difference between the kind of alpha you simply fear and the kind
you nest with. One is more adolescent, and the other more manly, more fatherly (in general; not as a father for the
target).I'm not a psychologist so it's more difficult for me to articulate it but I think you may have it.
People rarely fear me but I can speak softly and get attention in a crowd, even without mones. The mones just seem
to intensify it so long as I go light on the none.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 07:22 PM
What most think of as "alpha"
here is really more accurately a "pre-alpha", or a "green" alpha. The alpha quality ripens like anything else in
human development.
DrSmellThis
12-09-2004, 07:28 PM
Doc, you got to
start telling us more about what is in the Pheros that is reputed to do what you suspect the product is
doing. I know the valerian relaxes, and obviously you have mentioned that and eos from chamomile to jasmine, but you
have probably mentioned, what 25 out of the 150 ingredients?
Why not tickle us with the story of the other
substances in Pheros. I have been revealing many of them, but not all at once. People have to search
for the information that way. Pheros has always been a very "forum-embedded product".
Remember, you
can't spell "learn" without "earn". It's good for newbies. :) ;)
Elvis
12-10-2004, 04:10 AM
Ok, just reporting back with my
experience of last night. Positive results with TE/SOE/Chikara.
Here goes:
7pm - Applied 19 dabs TE from TE
bottle. Application points were f/ everywhere but really spaced apart. Behind ears, neck, chest, top of head, below
nose, chin, shoulders, abs, back of neck, crotch, arse...f/everywhere.
Then covered as much as I could,
eventually using 5 sprays Chikara (might have been 4.5 because 1st spray wasn't impressive).
I then clarted
one-third or so of a SOE gel pack on my wrists and forearms.
9:30pm - Hit the town. First stop...the local
watering hole. Turns out the girls from the bar were on a staff night out (and chose to come to their own pub...oh
deary me!). Anyway, nice bargirl I've been checking out for weeks saw me, good EC from a couple of feet away,
smiled a lot and we eventually spoke as humans for a few minutes instead of worker/client. Maybe not a hit, but she
certainly didn't want to escape my stank in a hurry. Later on she would eye me repeatedly (even whilst
canoodling...how do you spell canoodling?...with her bf).
10:30 - Italian girl was being extra flirty with me,
as was another Spanish girl who last week hadn't shown much interest.
12am - went to the ball, baby. At first I
felt a bit aggro and called the ticket girl and the bouncer Nazis for charging me an arm and a leg for the
"priviledge" of entering. Can you f/ believe that? We do f/ buy your beer you know you bast...ok, deep breath,
stop.
Quickly escaped into the bog and applied one-third gel pack of Chikara all over neck area. Felt better.
Danced with 4 or 5 chics all night long. Bumps/grinds, you get the picture. Now, normally this wouldn't constitute
a hit, but it's hard to tell. I said before, I dance like a chook and definitely do NOT look cool. But, I could
feel the attention all on me.
3am - Met girl I lambasted earlier (couple weeks ago?) for ignoring me. I know she
got a good whiff of the Chikara because she had been dancing in my proximity most of the night. She kept approaching
asking for an explanation, I kept trying to apologise but everytime a cockblock would appear. Her friends think I'm
schizo. Oh well, stuff it. The last CB was a real heffer btw, must have been about 15 stones at least.
3:10 -
Here is a definite hit. Two girls were sitting quietly on a wall with their backs to a wire fence. Some kind of
compound for construction stuff. I grabbed hold of the railing and started shaking it, giving it "Let us out, let us
out please God"...just a bit of drama. They laughed and then one of them said to the other, "This is that great
smelling guy I told you about". I said, "Oh, you like my scent?" She took a BIG inhale of my neck and then the other
one followed suit. They both kind of went into this dreamy state with a smile on their faces saying "Wow, that is
good, what is it?" I just mumbled something about getting it from some Nigerian guy in the toilet. I felt great! I
leant forward and kissed the pretty one full on the lips, she didn't complain. I thought her friend felt left out
so I did the same to her.
All in all. TE/Chikara/SOE for me = GOOD. I will try it again and try to nail more
ratios.
BassMan
12-10-2004, 08:03 AM
...the wise
leaders of the tribe that need to be kept happy with a constant supply of nubile flesh. ;) :pSo where do I
go to apply for _that_ job? :lol:
oh well looks like the old saying
"less is more" is out!
Friendly1
12-10-2004, 11:44 PM
oh well looks like
the old saying "less is more" is out!
Not necesasrily. He is experimenting right now. If he is being too
intense with the pheromones, he'll crash and burn like the rest of us have.
Even I, Mister Super-OD
application, have learned to back off. Sometimes, "less is more" is exactly what you need.
But the more intense
and crowded the environment, generally speaking, the more you can get away with OD-level applications.
belgareth
12-11-2004, 05:26 AM
oh well looks like
the old saying "less is more" is out!
There's also the question of why wear more if you are getting good
to fantastic results with less? I don't know about anybody else here but throwing away perfectly good product by
wearing more than is needed because I can seems like a terrible waste of money to me.
belgareth
12-11-2004, 06:30 AM
Nikodr,
Your post is very
hard to read. Please slow down a bit and break it up into managable pieces. We really do want to answer your
questions but that single, long string of words is too much work to read.
Elvis
12-11-2004, 08:18 AM
Y'all need to lighten up. Yes it
was 19 dabs, sheesh...what's the big deal? I had a great time. Nobody backed off from me. No guys were intimidating
me. Girls were lovin' me. I am still a newbie. I am still experimenting. Yes, I would like to make my 'mones last
longer for financial reasons but, I have had fewer decent results with 2-3-4 dabs, or a couple sprays Chikara
etc.
I'm just playing with it to see what happens. Remember, I was at a club untill 3am. Very smoky, lots of
perfumes wafting about. Guys sweating their BO everywhere and stinking like a brewery. Everyone was drunk, given
these conditions I don't think 19 dabs + SOE + Chikara is an OD. It's only an OD if you feel it's an OD (your own
reaction to the 'mones) and if the other people are intimidated by your stankiness. They weren't.
I've read
stories about folk using 4-5 sprays of TE and not mentioning OD.
Don't knock 'till you try it, as they say.
DrSmellThis
12-11-2004, 12:17 PM
Well, further experimentation
never hurts. 15 dabs is a bit much. I do think the cockblocking in the above story was an OD symptom, but it sounds
like there were also benefits. It's important to not have any preexisting buildup if you're going to wear high
doses, and newbies have probably been more successful with it for that reason.
My maximum habitual dose ever was
10 dabs of Edge, and the woman I was seeing at the time told me in hindsight the smell was a bit intense and took
some getting used to. She was very sensitive to the smell of -none. On the other hand she was a hottie (true redhead
-- I once posted our picture in the forum from a New Year's eve party.) and I did get to be with her. I've had
good results with younger women with one dab of edge added.
The picture where you were snuggling
closer to your case of pabst than her?
I've always thought if you are going to use over eight dabs, may as
well spray. Edge is tricky to use, I have never mastered it, because of the wide variety of dosages. I prefer NPA,
you basically have a lot less choices (which some would consider a bad thing) making it easier to find the best
dose.
A lot of us stink like sh!t btw, and have NO clue that we do. None, because nobody likes to tell
someone that they stink.
DrSmellThis
12-11-2004, 12:47 PM
The picture where
you were snuggling closer to your case of pabst than her? Um, yeah that was the one. It was PBR, after all!
:)
Um, yeah that was
the one. It was PBR, after all! :)
I have always smelled PBR notes in Pheros. :drunk:
:twisted:
:lol:
DrSmellThis
12-11-2004, 02:30 PM
I actually once thought of
putting hops EO in it to enhance the wood note but rejected the idea.
Friendly1
12-11-2004, 04:24 PM
Someone recently asked me what
that "woodsy, masculine smell" is in my bedroom. I couldn't tell her, of course, that it was probably The Edge she
was smelling. But this is the first time anyone has suggested to me how they perceive The Edge. I can just barely
detect some sort of faint odor, sometimes.
Elvis
12-11-2004, 04:53 PM
A girlfriend of mind once asked if
I had been drinking because she smelled something in my room. It must have been the TE (she knows what my colognes
smell like) because I hadn't had any booze at all and the only other thing I had at the time was the SPMO, which at
that point I hadn't even tried because I had just received the order.
Someone recently
asked me what that "woodsy, masculine smell" is in my bedroom. I couldn't tell her, of course, that it was
probably The Edge she was smelling. But this is the first time anyone has suggested to me how they perceive The
Edge. I can just barely detect some sort of faint odor, sometimes.
Sounds like Pheros, right?
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