View Full Version : Announcing the release of Perception!
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 06:52 AM
BDC Concepts (http://bdcconcepts.com) is proud to announce the Gold release of Perception! We
have combined three pheromones (androstenol, androstenone, and androsterone) into 10 mL of a unique and water
based formula. In addition, each purchase includes a FREE 5 mL atomizer of concentrated fragrance!
What
makes Perception different from other products?
Perception is a revolution in the pheromone
industry!
First, Perception's formula is designed from the ground up to be extended release. Other
products typically use either isopropyl myristate, isopropyl alcohol, PG, or a combination of each as a solvent
which presents a quick release of pheromones directly after application but then fades quickly (within a few hours).
Perception uses a proprietary formula of polymers to yield a true EXTENDED RELEASED dose that will last
consistently for 12 hours! When you receive a bottle of Perception spray a little on your wrist and notice the
distinct smell of pheromones while it is still wet. However, after it dries the smell is somewhat lessened. This
is a result of the polymers "locking" the pheromones to the outer layer of skin (the stratum corneum). Once dry the
applied pheromone will be released slowly and evenly over the next 10-12 hours. Notice that the smell
does not increase nor decrease throughout the day. Know exactly the amount of pheromones that were applied and
accurately estimate the total duration that they will be released!
Second, we have eliminated transdermal
uptake with Perception's unique water based formula. This is important since the applied dosages for pheromones
are in the microgram range. It is impossible to remain consistent with results if each application is really only
giving 75-80% of rated dose. Perception will deliver and release the pheromone dose at consistent levels!
Third, our formula eliminates pheromone build-up. Perception is water based and will remain "locked" on the
outer layer of skin until removed with a daily shower or otherwise washed with water. This is a major breakthrough
as other products will allow for build-up via transdermal flux (and eventual re-release). Each shower will
completely remove the applied pheromone. Your 100th dose of Perception will be as consistent as your first
dose!
Why is this called the "Gold" release?
The Gold release of Perception is
intended to gather feedback from users and incorporate that into the final "Platinum" release. Here is your chance
to help fine tune a highly effective pheromone product! We value customer feedback and pledge continuous
improvement. This is our commitment to a quality and dynamic nature. With BDC
Concepts (http://bdcconcepts.com), your voice is heard!
The Gold release can easily be identified by the gold trim on the
atomizers. When giving feedback please note whether it is from the Gold release batch.
For
the customers:
Perception does not attempt to present another run-of-the-mill pheromone product.
We have identified several of the shortcomings of traditional products and engineered solutions! Our unique formula
provides an extended release, eliminates transdermal uptake, and stops build-up. Clearly, we have not created a spin
on pheromone ratios but have instead revolutionized the method of delivery for pheromones! At
BDC Concepts (http://bdcconcepts.com), we strive to manufacture the highest quality products and are proud
to announce the release of Perception!
For the manufacturers:
The unique
hybrid polymer base is highly effective at solubizing pheromones in a water matrix. We have demonstrated that .33%
(1/3rd % V/V) can dissolve and stabilize 4 mg per unit. Imagine having a completely water based formula (99.67%
water) that can dissolve pheromones, release them over a known timeframe, eliminate transdermal uptake, and stop
build-up with your own pheromone ratio! Allow your products to present more consistent results in a cost effective
manner. If interested in using our hybrid polymer base for your products or want to explore our custom engineered
solutions please contact us. (sales@bdcconcepts.com)
koolking1
07-26-2004, 07:19 AM
is it now on sale at LS?
Bruce
07-26-2004, 08:09 AM
is it now on sale
at LS?
It is up for advance sale now at $10. off ($39.95). We should have it in hand for shipping
this Thursday.
Bruce
Will the concentrated fragrance
increase transdermal absorption?
DrSmellThis
07-26-2004, 12:06 PM
Congratulations, Chemo and
Bruce! It will be interesting to see the feedback from people in terms of the time effects of phero use.
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 01:39 PM
Will the
concentrated fragrance increase transdermal absorption?
The fragrance is also water based so should not
increase transdermal flux significantly. Good question!
Bobby
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 01:43 PM
Congratulations, Chemo and Bruce! It will be interesting to see the feedback from people in
terms of the time effects of phero use.
I am confident that this is a step in the right direction for
pheromones. The ratio of pheromones that are effective will be different for everybody...and may even vary with
environment. However, the one factor that is consistent across all applications, ratios, and environments is
DELIVERY METHOD.
We can't manufacture a pheromone product that will be all things to all people but we sure
can offer a more advanced delivery method! :)
Bobby
How do the polymers lock the
pheromones onto the top layer of skin?
metroman
07-26-2004, 03:59 PM
Eureka! At last...I have been
eagerly anticipating this product...Will there be a link posted in a forum msg or will we be able to order it direct
from the website? Is there a tight supply for the gold?
Bruce
07-26-2004, 04:04 PM
Eureka! At last...I
have been eagerly anticipating this product...Will there be a link posted in a forum msg or will we be able to order
it direct from the website? Is there a tight supply for the
gold?
http://love-scent.com/product_info.php/products_id/1
Perception is for sale
only on the Love-Scent.com site at the moment. The above URL should take you directly there.
Bruce
metroman
07-26-2004, 04:06 PM
Okay ignore my last comment. I
see it now right on the website...Congratulations on bringing to market a product that I think will help a lot of us
who are mone sensitive...
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 04:14 PM
I would like
to ask Bruce, Bobby or anyone who has already experimented with "Perception" what has been the results so far in
terms of hits, ect...?
BDC_Concepts
07-26-2004, 05:16 PM
Heheh, I'll let Chemo the
Chemist field the polymer question :), but I should add that I am very excited to present this to the community. As
Bobby pointed out, we took an entirely different approach to this product. Knowing that tons of different products
and ratios exist, we examined what appeared to be the limiting factor - The DELIVERY! I believe we are truly making
a large step foward for the pheromone industry through presenting a product that will reduce the shortcomings of
others and truly provide us an opportunity to see what pheromones can do when using a unique delivery. Can't wait
to hear the feedback!
Thanks
Matt
DrSmellThis
07-26-2004, 06:05 PM
So is your polymer also
available? I wouldn't mind trying some. How would it affect a fragrance? Would it tend to mute it? Does it have an
effect on scent? Is it a fixative? Should I even be asking all this here?
einstein
07-26-2004, 06:22 PM
Any chance of this stuff
irritating skin? itching? I'm sure you've done tests on numerous people, but I still have to ask.
BDC_Concepts
07-26-2004, 06:33 PM
As noted in the manufacturer
section of the provided write up above, we can provide services for those interested in using our matrix. Please PM
Bobby or myself for more information.
Thanks
Cool that you are willing to allow
other manufactuers to borrow your formula if it works. That is great.
Does the formula, since you say it
causes a slower release, require us to use more of the product to get the same effect in a given time window as a
normal product with the quick release?
BDC_Concepts
07-26-2004, 06:47 PM
Any chance
of this stuff irritating skin? itching? I'm sure you've done tests on numerous people, but I still have to
ask.
Our preliminary feedback has shown no one to be affected adversely in terms of irritation or
rash to the product. We highly doubt any occurances of this. Good question though! :D
nbnbtc
07-26-2004, 06:49 PM
And just what is the fragrance
like anyhow?
I would like
to ask Bruce, Bobby or anyone who has already experimented with "Perception" what has been the results so far in
terms of hits, ect...?
I think this is a valid question, any insight ?
Is it possible to get some
of your tester to join this fourm for questions and observations?
DCW
einstein
07-26-2004, 07:01 PM
Another question, then I'll
stop bugging you. Any chance of these androgens being absorbed by the skin even without a transdermal carrier?
I've read that DHEA can be absorbed through skin without a special carrier.
They
referenced this article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8943794). I know we're not talking about DHEA, and we aren't rats, but its close enough to
get me wondering.
On a different note, thanks for listening to us. Full disclosure of the contents, separate
fragrance, 2 different sized atomizers, both unmarked, and reusable. That's everything we've ever asked for!!
Thanks!
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 07:47 PM
How do
the polymers lock the pheromones onto the top layer of skin?
The polymers can be thought of like double
sided velcro. On the bottom is the outer layer of skin (stratum corneum), the middle is the polymer, and the
outside is the pheromone.
The velcro (polymer) holds the other two together...or, holds the pheromone to the
skin...depending on how you want to look at it.
How does it work? Like most long chain polymers, the
molecule is lipophilic (oil soluble) and dissolves the pheromones. What makes this hybrid formula special is that
it is also hydrophilic. Technically, the hybrid polymer blend forms a phase boundary cohesion between the
pheromones and stratum corneum. In simple terms, the hybrid polymer blend is like double sided velcro.
Does
this answer you question or did I miss the mark completely?
Bobby
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 07:49 PM
Any
chance of this stuff irritating skin? itching? I'm sure you've done tests on numerous people, but I still have
to ask.
All of the ingredients of the hybrid polymer blend are FDA approved for cosmetic use and are
skin safe.
Bobby
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 07:56 PM
Cool that
you are willing to allow other manufactuers to borrow your formula if it works. That is great.
Does the
formula, since you say it causes a slower release, require us to use more of the product to get the same effect in a
given time window as a normal product with the quick release?
This is a tricky question! First, more is
not better as is the mantra of pheromone gurus. However, you are correct in that the slow, steady release will
provide lower levels but is offset by the fact that it is CONSISTENTLY AND EVENLY released over approximately 12
hours. We highly encourage users to start with 2 sprays and tweak according to individual needs. Remember,
directly after application there will be about 3 or 4 minutes when there will be no detectable pheromone smell while
the polymer is setting up. After this time the pheromone application is detectable and will be at that level for 12
hours. I recommend getting the product and testing on an easily accessible part of the body (like the forearms or
wrists). Spray some on and let dry...smell the area and if the intensity is not strong enough then give it another
spray. Keep in mind that this level will be persistent for 12 hours (I'd say more like 16 but literature only
supports 12). Once you have determined the optimum sprays then apply to the neck or other area with
confidence.
Bobby
The
polymers can be thought of like double sided velcro. On the bottom is the outer layer of skin (stratum corneum),
the middle is the polymer, and the outside is the pheromone.
The velcro (polymer) holds the other two
together...or, holds the pheromone to the skin...depending on how you want to look at it.
How does it work?
Like most long chain polymers, the molecule is lipophilic (oil soluble) and dissolves the pheromones. What makes
this hybrid formula special is that it is also hydrophilic. Technically, the hybrid polymer blend forms a phase
boundary cohesion between the pheromones and stratum corneum. In simple terms, the hybrid polymer blend is like
double sided velcro.
Does this answer you question or did I miss the mark
completely?
Bobby
Nope, you did a good job. :)
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 08:09 PM
Another question, then I'll stop bugging you. Any chance of these androgens being absorbed by the
skin even without a transdermal carrier? I've read that DHEA can be absorbed through skin without a special
carrier.
They
referenced this article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8943794). I know we're not talking about DHEA, and we aren't rats, but its close enough to
get me wondering.
On a different note, thanks for listening to us. Full disclosure of the contents,
separate fragrance, 2 different sized atomizers, both unmarked, and reusable. That's everything we've ever asked
for!! Thanks!
I'll try to get a full text listing of that article but something tells me that a typical
carrier was used (maybe even a patch) to deliver the DHEA. They are using the term "percutaneously" in the sense of
a minimally invasive procedure...which has connotations of some carrier.
In addition, that study deals
directly with bioavailability of DHEA which is NOT the amount of transdermal flux. For example, let's say you
applied compound A and compound B with each being 100 mg. Further, let's say that 1 mg of each was absorbed.
However, compound A had double the measureable effect systemically. This would lead to compound A having twice the
bioabilability of compound B even though each had the same amount of transdermal flux. In other words, compound A
is stronger in effect. The study is saying that DHEA is about 30% as effective transdermally versus injection and
that oral is about 10% that of transdermal. This is a mature topic in the world of anabolics and is aligned with
current methodology (and is why our nutrition company makes a kick ass transdermal carrier!).
Bobby
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 09:35 PM
I would like to ask Bruce, Bobby or anyone who has already experimented with "Perception"
what has been the results so far in terms of hits, ect...?
No, inside to my question? : /
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-26-2004, 09:37 PM
I'll see if I can
get a few to register and post their experiences.
Bobby
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 09:37 PM
And
just what is the fragrance like anyhow?
I would also be interested on the scent? How natural smelling
is it?
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 09:38 PM
I'll see if I can get a few to register and post their experiences.
Bobby
Alright, Thank
you !
BDC_Concepts
07-26-2004, 09:41 PM
I
would also be interested on the scent? How natural smelling is it?
This is partially the reason we
opted to make fragrance and pheromone application independent. It allows one to not be bound by a particular
fragrance or strength for that matter. It's difficult to go into the specific notes of the fragrance, and most
people wouldn't have a clue either way. The only familiar reference would be a commerical quality fragrance, but
even then, you are limited to a person actually being familiar with the cologne you cited. That being the case, we
are proud to give people the option to use our fragrance if desired. If you don't enjoy it, definitely feel free
to utilize your favorite!
Thanks
Matt
BDC_Concepts
07-26-2004, 09:51 PM
No,
inside to my question? : /
If people are willing to come out as Bobby pointed out, we'll let them
tell the stories for themselves. Reviewing the data, we found a diverse quality of interactions/hits ranging from
sexual to perceived increase ease in response to social activity or interaction. Clearly as the population
increases, the product will be referred to as "Good for this or that", but generally, from a scientific aspect, ANY
reaction is a step in the right direction. Clearly, any developer wants to (or at least I'd hope) be truely
interested in helping people reach their goals and achieve results. As I mentioned before, we took a practical
approach to the ratio, allowing it to spread a diverse amount of interactions and applciations. Notice that some of
the home brew formulations posted by a few gurus on the board are QUITE similar (as we later found out) to our
ratio. Thus it is providing for a low risk for OD, yet highly succesful and limitless response. People tend to
cast NPA and SOE, for example, into distinct categories achieving a specific result and being prone to X or Y. Our
initial feedback shows that trying to type cast Perception into one specific or general result will be quite
difficult as the response varied widely. The end result? People felt like they had an edge and were happy to see
people engage with them differetly (LOL! Especially the ones who had sexual interaction). For us, when people feel
that the product was well received, that just puts a smile on our face :D.
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 09:52 PM
How does the
pheromone(s) smell without any fragrance? on their own?
Unknownshadow21
07-26-2004, 09:57 PM
If
people are willing to come out as Bobby pointed out, we'll let them tell the stories for themselves. Reviewing the
data, we found a diverse quality of interactions/hits ranging from sexual to perceived increase ease in response to
social activity or interaction. Clearly as the population increases, the product will be referred to as "Good for
this or that", but generally, from a scientific aspect, ANY reaction is a step in the right direction. Clearly, any
developer wants to (or at least I'd hope) be truely interested in helping people reach their goals and achieve
results. As I mentioned before, we took a practical approach to the ratio, allowing it to spread a diverse amount of
interactions and applciations. Notice that some of the home brew formulations posted by a few gurus on the board are
QUITE similar (as we later found out) to our ratio. Thus it is providing for a low risk for OD, yet highly succesful
and limitless response. People tend to cast NPA and SOE, for example, into distinct categories achieving a specific
result and being prone to X or Y. Our initial feedback shows that trying to type cast Perception into one specific
or general result will be quite difficult as the response varied widely. The end result? People felt like they had
an edge and were happy to see people engage with them differetly (LOL! Especially the ones who had sexual
interaction). For us, when people feel that the product was well received, that just puts a smile on our face
:D.
Very interesting indeed, Thanks for the feedback Matt.
How about mixing with a other
pheromone products on top of the skin?
Will there be enough polymers to help keep some of the pheromones from
the other products on top of the skin? Will the carrier of the other product stop that action or cause transdermal
flux in perception's own pheromone content?
Just wondering if we can take advantage of the formula
technology of perception with some of our other favorite products, such as Chikara and/or NPA/Edge, which contain
pheromones other than the big 3.
What are the recommended amount of
sprays of Perception from people who have used it?
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-27-2004, 06:35 AM
How about mixing with a other pheromone products on top of the skin?
Will there be enough
polymers to help keep some of the pheromones from the other products on top of the skin? Will the carrier of the
other product stop that action or cause transdermal flux in perception's own pheromone content?
Just
wondering if we can take advantage of the formula technology of perception with some of our other favorite products,
such as Chikara and/or NPA/Edge, which contain pheromones other than the big 3.
Very good
questions!
Theoretically speaking, the formula should provide extended release to any other pheromone
applied. However, I don't want to mislead you into believing that it will completely eliminate flux OF THE OTHER
PRODUCT. Let's say you apply product A and 10% is absorbed. The 90% left on the skin will be extended release
along with the Perception application.
For best results apply the other products first and allow to dry.
Next, apply Perception to lock everything down. If the order of application is other products THEN Perception it
should retain all the benefits of extended release.
Bobby
If that's true, that is very
impressive!
So then the polymer, rather than the water-base vs. oil/alcohol carrier, is the real catalyst for
avoiding transdermal flux??
Also, why not just apply them at the same time (so you prevent the 10 percent
from the OTHER PRODUCT from absorbing)?
Is it because the oil/alcohol will interfere with the polymer
"locking down" mechanism?
ToBeOrNotToBe
07-27-2004, 06:51 AM
For best results apply the other products first and allow to dry. Next, apply Perception to lock
everything down. If the order of application is other products THEN Perception it should retain all the benefits of
extended release.
Bobby
That's great! :box:
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-27-2004, 07:02 AM
If
that's true, that is very impressive!
So then the polymer, rather than the water-base vs. oil/alcohol
carrier, is the real catalyst for avoiding transdermal flux??
Also, why not just apply them at the same time
(so you prevent the 10 percent from the OTHER PRODUCT from absorbing)?
Is it because the oil/alcohol will
interfere with the polymer "locking down" mechanism?
The ability to avoid transdermal flux is due to
Perception not containing penetration enhancing carriers. This is different from the polymer which is designed to
offer extended release.
Why not apply both together? It is better to have 10% of one product absorbed rather
than 10% of two products absorbed. If one did not care about buildup or absorption than it would be acceptable to
apply both together. Keep in mind that this would limit Perception to the extended release and nullify the other
benefits such as elimination of transdermal flux and buildup.
Bobby
nbnbtc
07-27-2004, 08:06 AM
Chemo,
So using Perception at
the same time as another product would cause Perception to be absorbed right along with the other product? I think
what you are saying is that Perception's ability to avoid transdermal absorbtion won't work if mixed with another
"wet" carrier at the same time, so that's why the first product should be left to dry before applying Perception?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Chemo (BDC Concepts)
07-27-2004, 08:22 AM
You are correct
nbnbtc...
Bobby
NBC, I am pretty sure that is right.
It is the oil and alcohol that perception doesn't have but others do which causes mones to penetrate into your skin
more.
Unknownshadow21
07-27-2004, 10:47 AM
Given that the
product is water-base and we have to use about 2 sprays per application, how long is the 10ml bottle suppose to
last before it goes empty? Isn't it slightly less than Chikara?
BassMan
07-27-2004, 10:51 AM
Given that
the product is water-base and we have to use about 2 sprays per application, how long is the 10ml bottle suppose to
last before it goes empty? Isn't it slightly less than Chikara?The atomizer delivers 0.1 ml per spray.
BDC_Concepts
07-27-2004, 02:14 PM
Given
that the product is water-base and we have to use about 2 sprays per application, how long is the 10ml bottle
suppose to last before it goes empty? Isn't it slightly less than Chikara?
You should be able to get
around 50, 2-spray applications out of a bottle. With people not using it every day, it very well could last for
over 2 months. It all depends on how frequently and how much you apply.
Ismail
07-27-2004, 02:19 PM
DAMN!!!!If i had known that u
would get a product like this,i would have seent an exitra 10$ cash:(
Unknownshadow21
07-27-2004, 02:26 PM
You
should be able to get around 50, 2-spray applications out of a bottle. With people not using it every day, it very
well could last for over 2 months. It all depends on how frequently and how much you apply.
Excellent!!!:wave:
wow
do you believe that its
better than Alter Ego?
CptKipling
07-27-2004, 05:08 PM
Great work guys! :thumbsup:
Our initial feedback shows that trying to type cast Perception into one specific or general result will be
quite difficult as the response varied widely.
I have noticed a similar trend with similarly ratio'd
mixes. A bit like AE, we can expect products with -none, -nol and -rone to be fairly balanced (depending on the
ratios...).
BDC_Concepts
07-27-2004, 06:37 PM
wow
do
you believe that its better than Alter Ego?
Without getting into a battle....despite the fact that AE
has much more feedback than Perception naturally, we know our product contains more overall pheromones than AE, has
a distinct and unique delivery system, and contains a pheromone ratio that we believe will yield siginificant
results.
DrSmellThis
07-27-2004, 08:21 PM
What are the ratios again?
ManBeast
07-27-2004, 10:32 PM
2:1:1 of `none, `nol, and `rone
I believe.
MB
Watcher
07-28-2004, 01:27 AM
Lol well my order is going in
tomorrow - looking forward to it
ToBeOrNotToBe
07-28-2004, 06:13 AM
2:1:1 of
`none, `nol, and `rone I believe.
MBNo, it's 2 nol : 1 none : 1 rone! :type:
ManBeast
07-28-2004, 06:55 AM
Feh... that's what I get for
trying to answer before the sun comes up! :frustrate
MB
Unknownshadow21
07-29-2004, 03:16 PM
Is "Perception" begin
ship today?
Bruce
07-29-2004, 08:04 PM
Is
"Perception" begin ship today?
Yes, today is a landmark in history; the first bottles of Perception
shipped out to you folks!
On behalf of BDC and myself, we hope you like it.
Enjoy,
Bruce
Unknownshadow21
07-29-2004, 08:47 PM
Yes, today
is a landmark in history; the first bottles of Perception shipped out to you folks!
On behalf of BDC and myself,
we hope you like it.
Enjoy,
Bruce
Thank you so much for the news "Bruce" I am really looking forward
to this one.:wave:
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