Pheromax has 2mg of Androste-dienone?

[A Sack of Puddles]

I read somewhere that Pheromax has 2mg of Androstedinone. But here it was it has -none and -nol WTF?



Wouldn't mind seeing an Androstedienone based product, though ;)

[DrSmellThis]

I think that was false

advertising. They probably got sued or something and had to take it out? Pherin will sue anyone who puts A1 in a

perfume.

[oscar]

SoP and DST,

The newer version of

Pheromax which IS available here does have Androstadienone in it. The bogus thing that you remember Doc, was that at

one point it supposedly had beta-Nol in it which turned out not to be true. I think the fact that it's not

fragranced protects them from the wrath of Pherin.

Oscar :)

[einstein]

I thought A1 was used in lots of

perfumes.
Pherin's patents cover pheromones, I think somebody would have to advertise that A1 was a pheromone to

get sued. A1 should be perfectly legal to use as a fragrance.

[oscar]

einstein,

A1 SHOULD be perfectly

legal to use in a fragrance, on that I'll agree, but anbody who IS employing it in a fragranced product is either

doing so having licensed the patent rights from Pherin (exs. Avon, Natural Attraction), or is doing so at their own

risk. The Pherin/Erox patents cover the use of the various pheromones in conjunction with fragrances. I don't think

that whether or not A1 is REPRESENTED as a "Pheromone" is relevent to the scope of the patent.

I lost all my old

bookmarks when I fired my old POS CPU. Let me see if I can dig up a link or two to the primary Pher/ox patents on

the USPTO site.

Oscar :)

[DrSmellThis]

Those were great links. I had

them all saved at the old site, but they're now lost.

[oscar]

Here's a couple of the

patents:

U.S. Patent #5,272,134 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.ht

m&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5272134.WKU.&OS=PN/5272134&RS=PN/5272134)



U.S. Patent #5,278,141 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&

l=50&s1=5278141.WKU.&OS=PN/5278141&RS=PN/5278141)

In both the patent protection

sought was for the use of the various pheromones in "Fragrance Compositions". Why? I'm no patent attorney, but

I'll just venture a guess that they probably assumed that they wouldn't be granted a patent based solely on the

use of what is essentially a naturally occurring substance. They thus sought patent protection for the use of these

substances in combination with "Fragrance Compositions".

I still find it amusing that Avon has licensed the

rights, but still doesn't have the guts to refer to their phero product line as BEING "Pheromone Products", but

rather bills them as containing a "Mood Enhancement Formula". BTW, Avon does also utilize the same bass-ackwards,

Estra- in the men's, and Andro- in the women's products that the Realm products contain.

Oscar :)

[oscar]

I read

somewhere that Pheromax has 2mg of Androstedinone. But here it was it has -none and -nol WTF?

Wouldn't mind

seeing an Androstedienone based product, though ;)
SoP,

Back to your original question: I think that

the problem lies in the fact that the copy for the "New Version" of Pheromax simply wasn't updated to include the

addition of A1 to the formula. It looks like it's the exact same blurb as the one for the old version. Let's see

if we can get Bruce to clear that up.

Oscar :)

[DrSmellThis]

SoP and DST,



The newer version of Pheromax which IS available here does have Androstadienone in it. The bogus thing that you

remember Doc, was that at one point it supposedly had beta-Nol in it which turned out not to be true. I think the

fact that it's not fragranced protects them from the wrath of Pherin.

Oscar :)
Doh! OK. So does

anyone know the -mone amounts? thanks for the links, Oscar.

[oscar]

Doc,

It looks like they took the

biggest bite out of the A-None content to work a fairly large proportion of A1 into the mix.

It's still a total

of 5mg of pheros in 14mL of solution. The content of the new version is 2 mg of Androstadienone, 1.8 mg of

Androstenol, and 1.2 mg of Androstenone.

That really makes it a MUCH different product than the original

version which I see supposedly contained 3 mg of A-None and 2 mg of A-Nol.

For some reason I had thought that

the original formula was heavier on the Nol than it was on the None but I'm not exactly sure why. But the ratio of

Nol to None in the new formula would substantiate that somewhat. Something just doesn't look right there.

Are

there any "Old Formula Pheromax" fans out there who can clear this up?

Oscar ;)

[DrSmellThis]

Looks like many could find it

a useful product. I wish it had -rone instead of -none. Then it could be combined with Chikara and Edge to good

effect. For now, straight A1 looks more useful.