View Full Version : Could we, pretty please, have a Chikara additive ?
surfs_up
07-09-2004, 12:58 PM
With all due respect to the fragrance chemists out there, I have a strong preference for buying my own
premium colognes, sometimes diluting them and recombining, or adding in another exotic note. There are the mass
market "B" scents, the mass market "A" scents, and then there are the premium to super premium artisanal scents
which can make your head spin, *sans* pheromones... I'd love to find out more about Chikara as a pheromone
formulation, how will it interact with Creed Taborome or something special by L'Artisan, neither of those I'd
particularly want to alter... they're too good as masterworks by senior craftsmen... it would kind of be like
drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa. However, it would be fun to load it with two or three bottles of a Chikara
Essence Mating Seurm Homme, Y Chromosome Extract, or whatever the goodies are....minus the masking fragrance... are
you guys thinking of a booster stage additive along these lines hopefully ?
cuddlebear
07-09-2004, 06:24 PM
Are you referring to an
unscented version of Chikara? I haven't heard of anything like that being in the works, but that's not to say
that Bruce wouldn't consider it. I like the Chikara scent a lot, myself. I think right now he's concentrating
on getting the product into normal production, ironing out the spray head problems and stuff like that. But I
wanted to make sure I understood that it was something along those lines you were requesting ...
:)
Bruce
07-09-2004, 08:31 PM
Surfsup,
It will probably
happen sooner or later, but it might be a while with Chikara. It's kind of like telling the Mona Lisa: "Wipe that
silly grin off your face, will ya?"
Bruce
DrSmellThis
07-09-2004, 09:01 PM
If this unscented product was
offered I'd still buy the present version, for now anyway; as the generic musky scent blends with so many things
and is so mellow. Have you tried Chikara?
I do see your point. Believe it or not, though, I'm not a big
designer cologne guy, as those scents are so dominating to me. Their philosophy is to make you smell the cologne
instead of the person, who is to be neutralized. This is different from the approach I take in perfuming. I
prefer "You smell good!" to "I love your cologne!"
surfs_up
07-10-2004, 08:53 AM
That's true. The worst way to
notice a fragrance is to have it hanging in the air. You should have the option of noticing it or not. That's what
the perceptual psychologist call liminal experience, it's more than subliminal in that you can be consciously aware
of it. Anything that demands your undivided attention better be so world class that you don't mind or it's going
to be as bad as an obnoxious drunk who corners you at a party and makes you listen to how his wife threw him out of
the house last thursday....
The better choice is to buy good quality high proof vodka, fill a small glass
bottle about 4/5 full of the grain alcohol, then add the fragrans drop by drop util you find out what the best
dilution is for your situation. If you work in a chemical plant you may need more that if you work is a pristine
corporate environment. Almost every fragrance is too strong right out of the bottle. What is overwhelming full
strength can be pleasing at 1/5 strength...
There are also situational choices. Creed makes an excellent
light fragrance called Erfola that is right for warmer weather daytime use without smelling femmy or floral. Santa
Maria Novella makes scents unlike anything I've found on the USA market... they have one that smells like auto
races, a mix of leather, rubber, oil... so strange but interesting...
Then you have your heavy dark scents,
tobaccos and rosins, as well as light tea based products like Bulgari... the range of possibilities and "fragrance
personas" you can create are incredible if you know what you want and how to pull it off.
That's why I much
prefer additives over fragrance/pheromone packages. Maybe I'm going out that evening with a sort of intellectual
graduate school educated type of woman, she's subtle and wants to check the situation out without getting too
deeply into a mood... in this case something delicate and a little complex might be in order, Neroli Sauvage with a
touch of pomegranate or oppoponax tweaked up with friendly-conversational 'mones.
Would a musk note work
here, or would it create a discordant note ? A touch of discord can add some interest and energy but you have to
handle it very carefully. Its sort of like the difference between being edgy and being rude.
DrSmellThis
07-10-2004, 09:21 AM
Nice post, surfie.
Holmes
07-10-2004, 09:29 AM
Nice post,
surfie.
Ditto, surfs.
Bruce
07-10-2004, 09:58 AM
Guys,
Well said all the way
around. I hear ya, and like I said, it will happen sooner or later. At the moment though, as you can imagine, I am
pretty jazzed about Chikara and not in any hurry to publicly strip her down. You guys are artists, you must know
what I'm talking about.
Doc, anybody write and ask you for an unscented version of Pheros?
Bruce
DrSmellThis
07-10-2004, 01:25 PM
No, and there's no reason
anyone should; because there is very little "unscented" pheromone content in there --- like 1/100 of the
average products here. With most of the "active ingredients" in Pheros, there is no way to separate the smell
from the effect. In the future I may come well out with "raw pheromone" products, if the interest is there and I can
make it economical, but they too will have a scent, as do all the unique substances I use. It's a different kettle
of fish, so to speak.
Bump
Bruce,
Can you get
us an unscented chikara?
Bruce
12-05-2004, 03:05 PM
How about Spring, sometime,
sorta?
B
I am sure I speak for a lot of us
when I say it is great to hear one is coming. Please do try to do your best to hit that target date. Thanks
though, having more options is great.
And consider selling the scent seperate as well so we can use it to
cover up unscented mones (ie TE, NPA, PI) when mixing with chikara. Relying on chikara alone to cover everything up
sometimes leaves us smelling funky.
Bruce:
One other thing. It
would probably be a wise idea to put an unscented chikara in a dropper bottle, right? Because a dropper restricts
the liquid to a smaller surface area, making it easier to cover. Just a thought.
Felstorm
12-05-2004, 04:16 PM
The better choice is to
buy good quality high proof vodka, fill a small glass bottle about 4/5 full of the grain alcohol, then add the
fragrans drop by drop util you find out what the best dilution is for your situation. If you work in a chemical
plant you may need more that if you work is a pristine corporate environment. Almost every fragrance is too strong
right out of the bottle. What is overwhelming full strength can be pleasing at 1/5 strength...
Well. If
you are serious about it.
http://www.labdepotinc.com/category_details~id~21.aspx
You can get
glassware and pure ethanol from here for reasonable. A test tube would do for mixing. I think they might have
plastic disposable ampules to keep your mixes in. If you want ethanol just buy a bottle of Everclear which is almost
pure grain ethanol.
Diabetic insulin syringes are cheap, and are pretty accurate with metric measurements.
PheroExplorer
12-06-2004, 08:03 AM
Bruce,
having unscented
versions of a pheromone would be desirable for most major pheromone products like Alter Ego or Chikara. As the forum
members already said this gives more options to use a pheromone mixture. Maybe a product is monewise very effective
for a user but comes unseperably mixed with an additional fragrance oneself or the target can not stand.
If
the producers make it mandatory selling mones and fragrance together, they could maybe deliver the fragrance in a
seperate container like the makers of Perception do. This would help a lot.
Personally I don't like any of
the scents in soap or in washing powder or shampoo. The only scent I acceppt is the scent of high class (mostly
french) after shaves/colognes. I simply don't buy any scented mones.
Making a blend of ones own colognes with
some unscented pheros is incredibly nice. Therefore it is helpful if the mones can be diluted with the ethanol from
those colognes without demixing continuously.
My two cents, just in case the producers will ask you
somtime...
ismellgood
12-12-2004, 04:11 AM
I would also like unscented
Chikara to mix with cologne. Although my primary woman likes the smell, I do not like the smell (but I very much
like the effects!).
CptKipling
12-12-2004, 12:29 PM
I couldn't
use AE due to the scent (nobody here likes it), it was a waste, couldn't cover it with any of my colognes.
Here as in the forum? I think its alright, and I've had compliments on it.
Watcher
12-13-2004, 01:13 AM
This is what i would like
unscented versions of (we already have some)
Perception covers nol none and rone
WAGG
NPA
Chikara
a1
couplins (we have)
Its all the secret ingredients in one most products have the
straight rone nol and none so no doubling up required but the others - how about a 20 compound pheromone
product
Now theres a impossible dream.
CptKipling
12-13-2004, 09:08 AM
I meant my
workplace & home. I got disapproving looks when used 2 drops of AE. What do most AE users use for cover
scent?
I think Cool Water just about does it.
einstein
12-13-2004, 10:51 AM
I tried Addidas Moves at Walmart
a few days ago. It reminded me a lot of AE, might make a decent cover. But I don't know, all those frat-boy
scents smell alike to me.
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