View Full Version : Pheros, could be just killer next time, Now it could use an improvement at the moment
happyman
06-30-2004, 01:30 AM
Bruce,
May I make a suggestion for Phero's? If I may, I would
cut out the oils/herbs that seem to sooth or relax such as valarian and Chamomile. I have noticed Pheros, while
having a great smell, makes you a little drowsy. I think it is due to the Chamomile and other relaxing herbs that
are mixed in with it. It makes the wearer kind of tired. You know, you don't want that when putting on cologne to
go out somewhere. Next time I would use a stronger pheromone mix that is like SOE in terms of content and structure.
However I would make the SOE pheromone mimic addition in effect but only about 60% of the potency as SOE (SOE seems
a bit heavy). Then I would add just a touch of Nol for added sexual spark -minus the relaxing herbs. I would put the
added mones in place where the relaxing herbs were. That would make it just fantastic. This would make it
killer.
I hope you take the suggestions as friendly and look into it with consideration. Pheros has
excellent promise with this combination.
Happy
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 02:06 AM
Hey Happyman, thanks for the
constructive feedback. I know what you mean about the relaxing part. It's part of the aromatherapy aspect. I'm
sorry it makes you tired. It doesn't make me at all tired, though, just relaxed in a good, stress-free way. I got
real relaxed today working with it, in fact. ;) It doesn't affect my coordination or anything, however. I even had
a really energetic workout tonight. I doubled my usual aerobics due to my extra energy, after working with
Pheros all day. Stress burns a lot of energy, and so relieving stress can actually increase energy, depending
on the health of your parasympathetic nervous system. If your parasympathetic NS is a little burnt, relieving the
stress from the sympathetic NS might leave you with fatigue. Have you had a lot of stress in recent times? If
that's what is happening, it's possible Pheros would be good for you to wear at home, if it made you rest
better. Most who posted about it so far reported positive wearer effects. But I hear you loud and clear regarding
your own bodily reactions.
There is a good bit of valerian in there, though along with 150 other natural
things (including chamomile); so if you are super sensitive to valerian, then Pheros might not be the most
appropriate product for you, at least for during the day. Maybe for a relaxing, romantic night. You could try
taking a couple capsules of ginseng (American preferably, or Korean) to cancel your sedation and balance the energy
of it. That might do the trick.
Here was my thinking in putting it in there: Valerian is a mild muscle
relaxant, even when smelled, which can be good for dilating certain blood vessels in certain parts of the male and
female anatomy, if you know what I mean! :D It is also good for relaxing your partner or target; and alleviating any
stress they might have about "certain things". Lastly, it contains the chemical that makes feet smell like feet
(isovalerianic acid); and suggests homey, familiar surroundings, theoretically enhancing intimacy. The smell of feet
also mark's one's territory. It also adds to the musky note. Valerian has long been reputed to contain other
pheromone analogues. Finally, it is mildly intoxicating (Valium can be easily derived from valerian root.).
"That is a lot of activity for one ingredient", I was thinking.
Regarding the aromatherapy, however, there are
also quite a few stimulating spices in Pheros that should balance out the relaxation effects and keep folks'
energy flowing. (There was no way to add more spice without adversely affecting the formula, BTW). So I am wondering
if you are sensitive to those plants. How does valerian/chamomile tea affect you?
As far as "next time;" as
soon as the 1000 or so bottles are used up, Pheros will be "history", unfortunately! There is just the one
master batch, and I can't make more; as it's just too complex and took 18 months to make, drop by drop. However, I
am definitely going to solicit ideas from everyone before releasing my next product for men, and will remember what
you have reported, Happyman.
Does Pheros make anyone else sleepy? Pleasantly relaxed? Neither? Any other
wearer effects to report?
jo23er
06-30-2004, 05:06 AM
As far
as "next time;" as soon as the 1000 or so bottles are used up, Pheros will be "history", unfortunately! There
is just the one batch, and I can't make more; as it's just too complex and took 18 months to make, drop by drop.
Too sad to hear this Dr. I wish i had one of these bottles :(.
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 05:15 AM
Don't be sad, jo23er, it's
not too late! ;)
More is coming soon!
DST, Pheros drops me out cold. It is
hard for me to use because even a couple of dabs will make me exhausted. Working and going to sleep don't mix.
I also have noticed people getting tired around me too. What is ironic is that it seems to make me more
tired that taking a valerian tincture.
Bruce
06-30-2004, 05:53 AM
It might just be a question of the
"time and place" that you want to use Pheros. For example, although I don't drink, back when I did, a glass of
wine would have knocked me off my game when I was at work, but helped me to relax in another setting.
Bruce
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 05:56 AM
Hmmmm... I know Sue,
Koolking's GF wore it to her work a lot and found it helpful for that environment. Maybe it's just one of those
individual difference things... :blink: :think:
Bruce
06-30-2004, 06:00 AM
Hmmmm... I know
Sue, Koolking's GF wore it to her work a lot and found it helpful for that environment. Maybe it's just one of
those individual difference things... :blink: :think:
Yeah, I used to work with a bunch of guys in
Japan who used to drink a hell of a lot of beer at lunch. I could never figure out how they could function so well
in the afternoon.
B
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 06:06 AM
I had friends who would go to
sleep if they smoked pot, and others who would get very energetic! I mean they told me this. I didn't actually
witness it. Ahem. :angel:
At a club, I would probably be fine
because of all the stimuli.
So there is hope. I just haven't wore it to the clubs much yet because it
doesn't go with a lot of scents. Personally, I didn't think I could mix it with Chikara, but I could be wrong.
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 06:20 AM
I think the two mix on me well
if I add Chikara last. There is another thread going on right now where they are talking about that topic.
koolking1
06-30-2004, 06:20 AM
when Sue was wearing it
constantly, and I mean constantly - it had no drowsy effect as far as I know but I'll ask her tonight. I am
usually with her during the evenings and her wearing the Pheros had not changed my sleeping habits at all. We're
eagerly awaiting the next shipment.
I know I have problems with anything
that says "may cause drowsiness" so I'm sure I am on the extreme end. But it doesn't surprise me others have felt
tired from it too.
Gossamer_2701
06-30-2004, 01:41 PM
The first week that I wore
Pheros it had the same effect on me as bong hit:think:
I actually felt as if I were stoned for the first
30-40 min... but that only happened for the first week or so.... no side effect since then, and I wear it once or
twice a week (last night in fact)
Hmmmm DST... what ya put'in in the brew:POKE:
hotrocks5
06-30-2004, 01:55 PM
I think Pheros definitely has a
relaxation factor in it. A while back, I used one dab of it underneath my nose before I went to sleep. I think
that was one of the best nights of sleep I've had in quite some time. But the thing is, when I use it during the
day, people around me seem to be more open and friendly, which creates a more social environment around me. Since
people are more talkative, in a way, it keeps me alert and awake.
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 02:47 PM
Suffice it to say there is
definitetly an aromatheraputic or medicinal aspect to it, which tends to reduce stress (though there are no drugs or
addictive substances, of course).
The idea with other ingredients was to then replace the missing stress and
apprehension with curiosity/attaction, positive mood, and finally with a "more appropriate kind of arousal and
stimulation". The overall continuing pleasantness is to keep the person around and riveted, and to enhance a sense
of familiarity (with the homey and bodily smells), nurturing (e.g., with the baby's head smell) and intimacy.
It was psychologically complex and ambitious from a natural perfuming standpoint. I don't really call it
aromatherapy, because it's not for fixing anything that's wrong with anybody. Maybe I should call it
"psychological perfuming." It's intended for enjoyment that goes beyond simple aesthetics, unlike other perfumes,
which just aim to smell good. As you can see, the intentions are broader, richer, and deeper than for other
pheromone products, which have a few very specific chemicals that cause very specific effects. There is a larger
plot or story line to what I'm wanting to happen for the wearer. The perfume is like an "olfactory sound track" for
the genre of movie I want to play out for folks who wear it. Of course, the various elements of the plot can be
mixed and matched, and the person ultimately creates the love story' rather than the perfume making it happen!
:kiss:
The two approaches to products seem complimentary, and I always intended for y'all to combine
Pheros with other products that work well for you. LaCroy products, in particular, seem to add a little
"ooomph" that Pheros needs to get the intended plot rolling. A1 would be interesting, too. In this
case, however, I didn't want to tie peoples' hands and dictate their pheromone profiles by adding large amounts of
L-S mones. You could just add a bottle of NPA and pretend I did it if you want. ;)
Of course, how well it does
all that ambitious stuff is for you all to decide. It's just a perfume, but if you shoot for the moon, you might at
least land on the roof. I just want to get the next batch out, so the "grand experiment" can continue on bigger
level. Back to work. :D
koolking1
06-30-2004, 03:17 PM
yes, yes, back to work,
back to work!!!! Laughing here.
burgerama1960
06-30-2004, 03:45 PM
So then the newer pheros
will be an improved version of the 1st batch to some degree? Since I have been combining with chikara I have
definately hit on a winner. People really are coming out of the wood work and going way out of the way to have
extended conversations to where I scratch my head and think what the ? Then I remember the combo is working its
magic and I smile which makes them talk even more. DTS is the smell going to be the same?
DrSmellThis
06-30-2004, 04:55 PM
The smell will be close to the
same and very recognizable as Pheros; maybe a tad bit smoother and muskier.
happyman
06-30-2004, 09:41 PM
The smell
will be close to the same and very recognizable as Pheros; maybe a tad bit smoother and
muskier.
Thank you Doctor,
I appreciate all your quality input and information.
Chammomile tea and
valarian do what they are supposed to to me. Make me relaxed and drowsy. I am not really sensative to them. They
just do what they are supposed to. They don't make me so drowsy I cannot keep my head up or even drive if I have
to but they do their job. So no I am not hypersensative to those that I know of and I have tried them many times in
tea. I even used to have valarian drops.
Maybe you should skip the valarian and chammomile and a few others that
act as a sedative next time since half the people seem to think it makes them tired or drowsey. . I like being
relaxed but not tired you know. Good thoughts you had in trying it though. I think if you added pheromones that
mimic's SOE close, confident, openess -just not as heavy smelling as SOE- and added just a touch of Nol in there
for a bit of a sexual undertone and eliminate the sedative, relaxants that seem to make it make you feel tired and a
little drowsey through proper testing on a number of people ......... Pheros would be killer. I think it would be
the best by far. It would have it all. -minus the tired-drowsey effect many seem to be getting with it now plus the
benefits of SOE just not quite as strong and heavy. SOE sits so heavy. I would make it only 65% of that with a 10%
nol additive for the sexual spark. that would be the best through proper human testing. It would have it all.
1.
Great exotic, inticing, erotic smell through many natural aphrodisiac herbs, oils, and spices.
2. SOE openess,
trusting, confident, chatty feel good vibe.
3. just A touch of nol for sexual stimuli.
-Without the
tired-drowsey effect anymore- Nothing beats it!
2.
DrSmellThis
07-01-2004, 01:58 AM
I spent today experimenting with new bottling and dilution methods for Pheros, and now have some
more specific conclusions to offer Burgerama and others of you who wanted me to compare the beta offering with the
"new generation".
Bottom line: IMHO, the new Pheros will smell a little better than the
original, beta version you all are familiar with. The smell is a little more mature, smoother, more refined; and
more like a single smell instead of 150 (now 151, I guess ;)) smells. In particular it is slightly more woody,
musky, ambery, smooth and mellow; all of which was part of my goal for it.
I'm realizing more than ever this
perfume is really "old school", and that nothing like it can be found in stores. Some of the prominent ingredients
are hugely expensive and considered precious, so I'm glad I can bring these together for folks at a reasonable
price. Though there is a limited supply, I almost can't believe I produced as much of it as I did, given the nature
of the ingredients. It would not have lent itself to mass production.
The slightly harsh, spicy, sawdusty edges
have rounded off, thankfully. Some new bottling and dilution methods I am using have also made a positive difference
in this regard; and I will be refining this part tomorrow. This has been a very interesting learning process, as
tiny differences in production method make big differences in the result, even without changing any ingredients in
the concentrate. No wonder natural perfuming takes years to learn! The extra musky notes and fixatives have also
made a positive difference.
All in all, today was a relief, and I managed to perform some music tonight, too.
Hope everyone rested well.
burgerama1960
07-01-2004, 08:28 AM
Well I guess I will have to
stay glued to the board so I can get in on the next batch. DTS the first stuff is so excellent I cannot wait for the
new improved version.
InternationalPlayboy
07-01-2004, 08:42 AM
Well I guess I will have to stay glued to the board so I can get in on the next batch. DTS the
first stuff is so excellent I cannot wait for the new improved version.
I'm anxious for more, though
I have about a half bottle left. Also eagerly awaiting the release of Perception, I see myself spending a lot of
money in the next couple of weeks, especially if A-1 is restocked soon. Luckily, I still have about a half bottle of
Chikara, so I think I can wait until the final version of that is released before needing to replentish my
stock.
Pheros is the one I'm most concerned about though. Being such a limited supply, I want to stock up on
as much as I can. I expect to buy at least one or two bottles from each release so I can hoard my supply. :)
I am excited for Perception too. I
am eagerly awaiting hearing from samplers, as Bobby had told me about. I want to see if what looks good on paper
can survive the real world test.
It would be cool if Perception helped remove some of the consistency or
buildup issues.
Holmes
07-01-2004, 09:07 AM
I spent today
experimenting with new bottling and dilution methods for Pheros, and now have some more specific conclusions
to offer Burgerama and others of you who wanted me to compare the beta offering with the "new generation".
Bottom line: IMHO, the new Pheros will smell a little better than the original, beta
version you all are familiar with. The smell is a little more mature, smoother, more refined; and more like a single
smell instead of 150 (now 151, I guess ;)) smells. In particular it is slightly more woody, musky, ambery, smooth
and mellow; all of which was part of my goal for it.
I'm realizing more than ever this perfume is really
"old school", and that nothing like it can be found in stores. Some of the prominent ingredients are hugely
expensive and considered precious, so I'm glad I can bring these together for folks at a reasonable price. Though
there is a limited supply, I almost can't believe I produced as much of it as I did, given the nature of the
ingredients. It would not have lent itself to mass production.
The slightly harsh, spicy, sawdusty edges
have rounded off, thankfully. Some new bottling and dilution methods I am using have also made a positive difference
in this regard; and I will be refining this part tomorrow. This has been a very interesting learning process, as
tiny differences in production method make big differences in the result, even without changing any ingredients in
the concentrate. No wonder natural perfuming takes years to learn! The extra musky notes and fixatives have also
made a positive difference.
All in all, today was a relief, and I managed to perform some music tonight,
too. Hope everyone rested well.
Excellent!
Great to hear that you're playing, too.
einstein
07-01-2004, 01:06 PM
What exactly do you mean by "one
smell"? Do you mean it is more consistent? One of my favorite things about Pheros is that every whiff is
different. I think that's one thing about many simpler colognes I don't like, every sniff is exactly the same.
Rochas smells great, but every sniff is exactly the same. Pheros smells like sawdust, baby powder, sex, ect. at
different times.
I probably won't be buying the new one, because its a lot of money for something I already
have.
DrSmellThis
07-01-2004, 01:28 PM
The complexity is still there,
but it is more unified, if that makes any sense. Like if an orchestra plays out of sync, you might hear more of the
instruments because they all stick out like sore thumbs. If it plays well, the instruments are still all there, but
not so separate sounding. They play together. A whole sound emerges that wasn't there before, when it was just
the separate instruments. That's like what it is. The smell of the perfume becomes clearer and emerges. It's
something with parts as opposed to just parts. The parts do become less important.
With the organicity
and complexity of the formula being what it is, there is no way it's going to be simplistic like Rochas, however.
With synthetic perfumes you get a two dimensinal digital snapshot; whereas with complex organic perfumes, it's more
like a movie, or a dream sequence.
There is a small tradeoff in the same sense as in a good romantic
relationship, where there are some compromises made with each person's individualism, but the relationship is more
than worth it. for example, instead of smelling cinnamon and having it smell very clearly like cinnamon, you smell a
cinnamon aspect of it or angle on it -- a cinnamon note. You might have to smell a bit longer to recognize
the cinnamon, as it receeds for the overall smell; but you can find easily it if you look for it. On the other hand,
some smells become smellable that weren't before, as the mix is more balanced and things aren't lost as easily in
the mix.
I love when people challenge me to explain things that are hard to put into words, as it throws me into
a kind of meditation! Thanks.
in_a_suit
07-14-2004, 01:58 PM
Do you have any idea when this
new batch of Pheros will be available to buy?
DrSmellThis
07-14-2004, 03:44 PM
Right now I'm waiting on new
labels, as the first ones didn't work on the bottles; so again I'm in limboland temporarily. But it should be in a
couple of weeks, just to guess wildly.
koolking1
07-14-2004, 04:19 PM
luckily Sue is here as I
read this. She reports no drowsy effect at all and it just make her feel happy and relaxed. She also says that her
two female coworkers (they are all in very close proximity) exhibit no signs of tiredness.
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