An Insane Situation

[Sam]

Hi,

I'm a newbie

to the 'mones thing, and I'm seeking a little advice on an interesting situation. I suspect I'm going to get

flamed for the apparent stupidity of this situation, but here goes...

Around two months ago my girlfriend of six

years split up with me and moved in with another man. It was something that had been coming for a while, as I was

working nightshift and she was working long days, so we never saw much of each other. However, I thought that as

this was only going to carry on for a few months more we would be able to make it through. Other things like my (at

the time) mild depression/social insecurity contributed too, but I never expected the two of us to split.



Directly after the break up, I was distraught, and my depression went full blown, as all my dreams had just been

ripped away from me. Two months in, I still feel a lot of pain, but Citalopram (similar to Prozac) and time have

made the situation easier to deal with.

This, however, is where it gets complicated...

In a couple of weeks,

my ex will be moving back in, but still maintaining her relationship with the new man. This is because all three of

us are travelling together to New Zealand in three months. Basically, this is a arrangement of convenience, as she

needs the money from my house to live in NZ, and I need the money from her car to get us out there while I wait for

the funds from the house to clear. The boyfriend coming was a unexpected and unpleasent addition, but she's grown

attatched to him, and refused to go without him.

Anyways, I'm interested in trying a few products to change the

situation for a number of reasons. I am interested in getting my ex back, but I'm no longer at the 'I

can't live without her' situation. I'm also interested in just trying to be more sucessful in social situations,

so if she ever does have any doubts about her current partner, I seem like a good option. Remember I have time on my

side here, over a year to impliment any kind of strategy.

I know a lot of people will tell me to walk away and

give her some space, but the whole New Zealand situation makes that difficult, and I really need to go through with

that because I hate the place I live, and desperately need to escape it for my own mental wellbeing.

Anyways,

the two products I have my eye on at the moment are SOE and AE/m, for both social situations and hopefully appearing

more desirable to my ex. Is this a good choice, or should I be looking at other products?

NB: I am aware that

the success of these products depends on the person using them, and I'm also aware that they are not a miracle

potion. I'm just after some basic succestions to start working from and testing.

[Sexyredhead]

I'd tell her he can't come,

and if she doesn't want to come either, that's fine. It's not good for you or your depression to be put in the

role of unwanted third wheel and left out of everything unless you want to sit and watch them be happy together

knowing that another guy has your girl.

[Sam]

Trouble is that if she's forced to

make that desicion, she will choose to stay with him. That means I won't be able to go either, and I'll be stuck

in a mundane job in a dead end town full of smack addicts. (Trust me, the U.K. isn't all it's made out to be.)



I can cope with dealing with seeing them together, as he is a pretty nice bloke who I get on with well, and I am

still very good mates with her. For six years we were 40% lovers and 60% bloody good mates. Obviously the lovers

part is gone but the 60% remains. I'm prepared to wait and do other things by myself, but I'd also like to present

a viable alternative as a lover, not just a friend, if things should ever go sour between them.

Obviously if I

belived 'mones could manipulate the situation further than that, I would go for it, but from reading your forum,

that seems unlikely.

[DZorro]

Hi,

I'm a newbie

to the 'mones thing, and I'm seeking a little advice on an interesting situation. I suspect I'm going to get

flamed for the apparent stupidity of this situation, but here goes...

Around two months ago my girlfriend of six

years split up with me and moved in with another man. It was something that had been coming for a while, as I was

working nightshift and she was working long days, so we never saw much of each other. However, I thought that as

this was only going to carry on for a few months more we would be able to make it through. Other things like my (at

the time) mild depression/social insecurity contributed too, but I never expected the two of us to split.



Directly after the break up, I was distraught, and my depression went full blown, as all my dreams had just been

ripped away from me. Two months in, I still feel a lot of pain, but Citalopram (similar to Prozac) and time have

made the situation easier to deal with.

This, however, is where it gets complicated...

In a couple of weeks,

my ex will be moving back in, but still maintaining her relationship with the new man. This is because all three of

us are travelling together to New Zealand in three months. Basically, this is a arrangement of convenience, as she

needs the money from my house to live in NZ, and I need the money from her car to get us out there while I wait for

the funds from the house to clear. The boyfriend coming was a unexpected and unpleasent addition, but she's grown

attatched to him, and refused to go without him.

Anyways, I'm interested in trying a few products to change the

situation for a number of reasons. I am interested in getting my ex back, but I'm no longer at the 'I

can't live without her' situation. I'm also interested in just trying to be more sucessful in social situations,

so if she ever does have any doubts about her current partner, I seem like a good option. Remember I have time on my

side here, over a year to impliment any kind of strategy.

I know a lot of people will tell me to walk away and

give her some space, but the whole New Zealand situation makes that difficult, and I really need to go through with

that because I hate the place I live, and desperately need to escape it for my own mental wellbeing.

Anyways,

the two products I have my eye on at the moment are SOE and AE/m, for both social situations and hopefully appearing

more desirable to my ex. Is this a good choice, or should I be looking at other products?

NB: I am aware that

the success of these products depends on the person using them, and I'm also aware that they are not a miracle

potion. I'm just after some basic succestions to start working from and testing.
It's just like you put

in, the begining of your thread, it's defanantly an insane situation. But looking at too what your trying to

accomplish. it's a bit hard for anyone here too tell you, since she known you for along time like you put it.



But Speaking from my own experiance, mones itself did not help me much with people i have known for a long time, i

actually see greater results with people who i didn't known at all. The most the mone can do for you, in this

situation, is to make people more friendly towards you. Like you put it you want to buy SOE, that will only make

people more friendly towards you. If your trying to get sexual hits however you would be better off trying something

like TE/m, NPA/m or like you said AE/m, but if your thinking that mones is some magical potion, it is not. It's

still you who's going to make a diffrents.

I'm not trying to come down hard on you, but your also said that

you had some trouble with depression ??
But putting yourself out like that, and if it's goes out badly, will

probebly make your depression even worse then it is now, are ready to take the heat when it comes out to that ?? The

only real advice i can give you right now , is give yourself more time. I think it is too soon to put yourself on

the line like that.

But that's just my opnion, so it should not count for anything, it's still you who's

gonna have to make that dicision.


DZorro,

[Bruce]

Sam,

If it were me, I'd have

to go with SRH's advice, but from your response, it does sound like you might have a better time for the moment

getting out of the UK for a while. Who knows, you might meet Ms. Right or Ms. Right-now anyway, while you are over

there. NZ is supposed to be a beautiful place. See if you can find a job while you are over there and let your

would be GF and her new BF go home without you. Long-term of course, move on; find someone new.

SOE and AE

are both good products; probably numbers 1 and 2 in terms of sales; the difference being, the aNONE. Age is often

the deciding factor. Young guys are usually better off with SOE. AE gives you a little extra shot of

alpha.

Good luck,
Bruce

[Sam]

Sorry, should have mentioned age -

I'm 23, but probably low on hormones/pheramones as I've always been non-aggressive and somewhat feminine. (Jesus

that sounds bad.)

Cheers for the advice. Pretty much as Bruce said, NZ for me is the lesser of two evils,

despite the complications. I'm definitely not ruling out the possibility of meeting Ms. Right out there - hell,

it'd be the easiest way to gain residency after my year Visa runs out. I'm just keeping my options open on my ex,

and seeing how things pan out.

Sounds like SOE and AE are my purchases then!

[DCW]

Sorry, should have

mentioned age - I'm 23, but probably low on hormones/pheramones as I've always been non-aggressive and somewhat

feminine. (Jesus that sounds bad.)

Cheers for the advice. Pretty much as Bruce said, NZ for me is the lesser of

two evils, despite the complications. I'm definitely not ruling out the possibility of meeting Ms. Right out there

- hell, it'd be the easiest way to gain residency after my year Visa runs out. I'm just keeping my options open on

my ex, and seeing how things pan out.

Sounds like SOE and AE are my purchases then!

I think you

just found your answer, try and keep a positive outlook by looking ahead to a fresh start in New Zealand.




DCW

[DZorro]

Sorry, should have

mentioned age - I'm 23, but probably low on hormones/pheramones as I've always been non-aggressive and somewhat

feminine. (Jesus that sounds bad.)

Cheers for the advice. Pretty much as Bruce said, NZ for me is the lesser of

two evils, despite the complications. I'm definitely not ruling out the possibility of meeting Ms. Right out there

- hell, it'd be the easiest way to gain residency after my year Visa runs out. I'm just keeping my options open on

my ex, and seeing how things pan out.

Sounds like SOE and AE are my purchases then!

Well in that

case TE/m NPA/m or even AE/m would do you a world of good. Excersise alot too would help give you a positive view of

life.

If you are going to use SOE, use very little of it.
It won't help you much, if you used too much of

it.

[always been non-aggressive and somewhat feminine.]

Since your somewhat non-aggressive. Using too much

nol, will probebly backfire in your situation.


DZorro,

[Sam]

Well in that case TE/m

NPA/m or even AE/m would do you a world of good. Excersise alot too would help give you a positive view of life.



If you are going to use SOE, use very little of it.
It won't help you much, if you used too much of it.



[always been non-aggressive and somewhat feminine.]

Since your somewhat non-aggressive. Using too much nol,

will probebly backfire in your situation.


DZorro,I'm interested in knowing a little more of your

thinking here. As a more laid back person, I wass worried about the effects of -none on other men around, and my

ability to deal with that. Thinking about it though, I guess the -none will also boost my ability to deal with any

situation like that.

Out of interest, can -nol actually backfire in any destructive way. (Similar to the

-none/menstral cycle thing) I always got the impression it's main effect was to make people friendly?

[DZorro]

I'm interested in

knowing a little more of your thinking here. As a more laid back person, I wass worried about the effects of -none

on other men around, and my ability to deal with that. Thinking about it though, I guess the -none will also boost

my ability to deal with any situation like that.

Out of interest, can -nol actually backfire in any destructive

way. (Similar to the -none/menstral cycle thing) I always got the impression it's main effect was to make people

friendly?

Actually nol's effect is to make people more friendly. But it works diffrently for

everybody.Well nol will not be as destructive as none would. I can only tell what has happend to me. But everbody

will tell it diffrently. But you can tell to whom noll will be better suited. If you are a lonewolf like some people

here at the forum would tell you, then you will bennifit from nol, but if you are not a lonewolf you might benefit

from none.

It's kind of difficult to explane. But a lonewolf is someone who is inapproachable. But in your case

you are already approachable. So you are defanatly not a lonewolf. But i think i leave it to someone who can

explaine it better then me.;)

People who are sociable would benefit more from none, in my opinion.




DZorro,

[koolking1]

You are 23 and have been

with her for 6 years, you started with her when you were 17? You need to get your pride back first. Just get a

part-time job, forget your current situation and just work your ass off till you save up a bunch of money and get

the proceeds from the house sale too (why on earth would you give her some of the proceeds so she can live in NZ

anyways??). Then go where you please without her. Sure, a tough suggestion but in the end you'll be better for

it, everyone suffers sometimes and it makes them stronger. And, don't let her move back in with you, she'll only

be in the way after you meet someone else at your part-time job cause you'll have bought some mones and will

succeed!!!

[Sam]

I'm paying some money out to help

her in NZ because under UK law, she could quite easily sting me for half of everything I own, even though we never

married. That would cost me to the tune of £20,000 ($37,000) plus legal fees. As she's a good friend, she wouldn't

do that, and has made it quite clear she wouldn't. Basically I'm paying for her as I would owe her that money (she

payed as much into the morgage as me) and I feel it's the right thing to do for a friend.

I'm not going to fall

into the trap of resenting her because she left me. There were a lot of surrounding circumstances, and the break up

was at least 50% my fault.

Ultimately, the point of my original post was to get some advice on pheramones that

may help me appear more attractive to her, but also that would help me move on in my life in general.

[koolking1]

you didn't say it was half

her house to begin with so I made a logical assumption. Ok - so you wanna win her back, use some mones as suggested

by others, don't use them till you are all on the plane though. Or, better yet, send me the proceeds of the house

sale, it'll be easier on your psyche in the long run, honest!!!

[Friendly1]

Sam, you need to get this girl

out of your life and move on with your own. Young guys never figure out that they cannot change a woman's mind.

If you have a chance at getting her back at all, it is only by moving on with your life and letting her see that you

are happy and content with that. She MIGHT, if the other boyfriend is an obnoxious bore, decide she made a

mistake.

Right now, in her eyes, you're just a needy desperate guy with no backbone who will compromise on

anything just to be near her. She is not feeling any attraction for you and continuing in this situation won't

make her feel more attracted to you, but less.

You ALREADY resent her. You are clearly going through some

major hurt .And there is no shame in admitting that -- we all feel that way when a long-term relationship ends. I

was devastated when a 10-year relationship came to a grinding halt. I got emotionally whomped, like all men do when

they don't want the relationship to end.

In my case, she DID try to come back a year-and-a-half later. And I

think I exercised good sense in staying away from her. That was one of the hardest things I ever had to do as an

adult, because my feelings for her were still strong.

But we were just not meant to be together, and I moved

on.

You need to find the strength to do that, too.

Half of everything you own is a small price to pay for

getting this girl out of your life. Neither of you will be happy as long as you keep trying to cling to this hope

for a return to the past. There is no going back.

[kossBass]

dude listen to friendly there

.. he's on the ball ... what you need to do is move on with your live - but i suggest not to get anyother chick and

anything show her you can live a good lonely live ... if she means nothing to you then it shouldn't be hard to get

a chick but if she does mean something to you then don't get one .. just let her space and let her be with her guy

-- Trust me noone can forget someone they have been with (especially when it's 6yrs known person ... ) it might be

hard bro but life is tuff besides there are lot more fishes out there .. and uk it's pretty crowd so your bond to

find one.

[SwingerMD]

Sam,

I'm going to agree

with KossBass here, friendly1 is right. To even have a chance at winner her back you have to move on and truly

change/improve yourself. You're really hurting right now and living with her again w/o being in that relationship

is going to remind you of all of this hurt, over, and over, and over . . . . (until you go insane :rant: )You need

space. It took a long time to get into this deep relationship, it's going to take an equal amount of time to climb

yourself out of it. This is a time for you to be selfish, i.e. be good to yourself, have some fun, etc . . .

.

Try to figure out an arrangement in which the two of you aren't around each other and still be able to go to

NZ. Otherwise, you are going to have to pick the lesser of two bad

situations.
_____________________
-SwingerMD

[belgareth]

I hate to be harsh but along

with agreeing with Swinger, Friendly and Koss, I think this woman is/has a real problem. She leaves you, and she has

to know it hurts, then demands that she bring her new boyfriend to live with you and her? At the least it's a

callous disregard for you and your feelings.

Run...fast and far! You don't need that in your life and I doubt

you want it either.

[Icarus]

On the other hand, if you can

survive this, you can survive (almost) anything....

Sure let them come and use their money (as you stated you

needed it) but then do your own thing when you get to NZ (great place, really friendly, better than OZ in my

opinion) leave them to their own devices.

I call this kinda stuff 'character building', but then that's

what people say to kids when they want them to do a difficult task that they dont personally want to do.

:D

Use it as an opportunity to prove to her and yourself that you are over her.

Cheers, and I hope

it goes well for ya.

Steve

[Icarus]

ooohh.. or alternatively, go to

somewhere within Europe.

You need no visa (cuz you're a member of the EU) and life is good, and the flights

wont cost so much etc etc etc....

And to think many in britain want out of Europe. Bad call, I

think.

Steve

[DrSmellThis]

I'm gonna side with the posse

on this one.

If you go, though, maybe wear a massive OD of -none and -rone everyday to make everyone else

miserable and start a few fights with the new beau! :D ;)

[kossBass]

:goodpost: hah (blah i need 10

chars)

[CptKipling]

Sam,

I really think

it's a bad idea to actively chase this girl. You will just end up looking desperate, which will make her push you

further away and just make you feel worse. From your posts you seem like a very decent guy, but learning that the

most important person in your life is you is a very important person. Disregarding the whole money NZ issue, you

need to start laying down the law and sticking up for yourself. I can only imagine what it is like to be in your

position, but I think it's a safe bet to say that finding your self respect and doing only what's good for number

one for a change will improve things greatly.

You say you are in a dead end job. Well for chrissakes man do

something about it :)
Whatever it takes, be it in NZ or the UK, get some direction and get motivated, perhaps get

some extra qualifications/training. I guarantee that people (including your ex) will respect you much more if

you grab your life by the balls and take it somewhere you want to go.

I doubt you really needed to hear that

and would prefer some advice regarding your girl, but I think the problem is deeper than that. In general I

wouldn't advise going back to an ex, but I don't know anything about her or your relationship, and ultimately the

decision is in your hands, it's just that it seems as though she is causing you problems. Either way, I think it

would be a good idea for you to mix with some new women, if only to give yourself some perspective.

Regarding

the 'mones (Sam:"finally!"), I would recommend getting TE with AE and SOE. It's only £15 or so pounds more, and it

lasts a long time if you dab it on, and it's really good for adding a little more "animal" to both of those

products.

Good luck :thumbsup:

[koolking1]

I don't think mones apply

at all in this situation. The only way that I know works to get a woman back is to let her see you, happily, with

another woman, preferably more attractive than her. If that doesn't get her back, nothing will. Women are

attracted to strength, not weakness. Be strong.

[burgerama1960]

I personally think she is

using you because it seems your a softy. How is it going to end? They move in your house start bumping ugly and you

have to listen to that going on. If your depressed now wait till you go through that. Your emotions are going to go

out of control and you will feel worse in the long run. It is not easy to let go but this is like committing

emotional suicide. Don't do it, there are plenty of fine women out there that would love to be with you. you just

have to actively seek them out. Don't let this gal play you for a sucker. She knows you have feelings for her and

she knows you will do anything for her therefore make sure she is absoulutely being honest with you before you

accept this deal.

[koolking1]

Yep, Burgerama is 100%

correct - how you gonna feel when they get all lovey-dovey in your 1/2 house? They'll probably start plotting how

to get all that money from you seeing that you won't stand up and be proud. If you think these suggestions/ideas

are mean, believe once that there might be older/wiser guys on here that know what the hell they are talking

about.

[Mtnjim]

If you think

these suggestions/ideas are mean, believe once that there might be older/wiser guys on here that know what the hell

they are talking about.

Yes, the only difference between us old farts and you young guys is we've

made the stupid mistakes you haven't had time to.
:nono:

[CJ01]

Sam, right now I´m not even gonna make

comments about your situation as you seem to know what you´re doing and it sounds like you´re okay with it. Sounds

like going out and about is what you need and it ought to be a good thing for you I hope you enjoy the experience.

:)


Out of interest, can -nol actually backfire in any destructive way. It is actually possible

to OD on nol so don´t use too much at once.
SOE and AE are good choices imo. As for socializing I love the effect

AFA has so (as usual) I recommend it too :D

CJ :)

[Red Stripe]

You are setting yourself up

for disaster, Sam. Like others have said, this girl is completely indifferent to how you feel, maybe bordering on

trying to hurt you. Going to NZ sounds awesome, but...think about all those hours of feeling like the 5th

wheel. You are going to have to watch the girl you love(d) being romantic with another guy - almost every day. Even

worse maybe, if you are living together, you are going to have to hear them getting it on as well. That will

tear you apart I'm afraid. Definitely not healthy for you.

I had a gf similar to you - we were together for so

long, and it was SO hard to break away from that. Change is hard. She is part of you now, your personalities are a

perfect match etc. But you have to go forward and find yourself again. By finding the right person, job, city,

mindset - Life can turn around in an instant.

[DZorro]

I'm gonna side

with the posse on this one.

If you go, though, maybe wear a massive OD of -none and -rone everyday to make

everyone else miserable and start a few fights with the new beau! :D ;)

Sam, i'l have to aggree with

the good docter on this one, wear lot's of none, and let's rumble :LOL: .




DZorro,

[Sam]

Good points all, and well

made.

Two people made points that well illustrate what I'm thinking:

"On the other hand, if you can

survive this, you can survive (almost) anything..."

I believe I can survive this, and most

importantly it adds to a belief I've had through life that you should never regret anything because

everything is an experience that adds to your life, even if it's a bad experience. I also appreciate that

there are people on this board who are offering me sound advice, based on life experience, and I respect that. There

are times in life though, when you have to make your own mistakes and learn by them, and even though I may well be

making a mistake, I feel it's something that it's better for me to do.

"...right now I´m not even gonna

make comments about your situation as you seem to know what you´re doing and it sounds like you´re okay with

it..."

Absolutely, as I've kinda said above. It may sound strange, but I would be able to cope quite easily

with seeing/hearing them together, and as I stated before, I get on well with both as friends. My expression of

interest in pheremones was not just related to my past relationship, but also as a tool for future ventures. Perhaps

I should have made that clearer in the beginning.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who replied with advice. Hopefully

when my order gets here I will be posting on here to let you know how I get along with the 'mones.

Ta.

S.

[Sam]

"And to

think many in britain want out of Europe. Bad call, I think."

Amen! That kind of "We're British,

we're too good for the rest of the world" attitude it one of the reasons I've wanted out of this country for so

long.

The UK really needs to adjust to "We're British, we used to be a massive colonial power, but now

we're just a little island."

"If you go, though, maybe wear a massive OD of -none and -rone everyday to make

everyone else miserable and start a few fights with the new beau!"

:D

Out of interest, does -rone have

a similar effect to -none? I've not actually seen anyone describe exactly what it's done for them.

[tounge]

Good points all, and

well made.

Two people made points that well illustrate what I'm thinking:

"On the other hand, if

you can survive this, you can survive (almost) anything..."

I believe I can survive this, and

most importantly it adds to a belief I've had through life that you should never regret anything because

everything is an experience that adds to your life, even if it's a bad experience. I also appreciate that

there are people on this board who are offering me sound advice, based on life experience, and I respect that. There

are times in life though, when you have to make your own mistakes and learn by them, and even though I may well be

making a mistake, I feel it's something that it's better for me to do.

"...right now I´m not even gonna

make comments about your situation as you seem to know what you´re doing and it sounds like you´re okay with

it..."

Absolutely, as I've kinda said above. It may sound strange, but I would be able to cope quite

easily with seeing/hearing them together, and as I stated before, I get on well with both as friends. My expression

of interest in pheremones was not just related to my past relationship, but also as a tool for future ventures.

Perhaps I should have made that clearer in the beginning.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who replied with

advice. Hopefully when my order gets here I will be posting on here to let you know how I get along with the

'mones.

Ta.

S.





No offense Sammy, but why the hell are you asking

for advice. It's plain as day that you are going to do what you intended to do anyway. And all the Phermones in the

world won't change your situation or your lack of testicular fortitude.

Some reasonably intelligent people

gave you some sound advice. But like many folks of the world today, you are looking for a solution in a pill or a

drop of liquid. Keep doing what you've been doing and you'll keep getting what you've been getting.

Crap

sandwiches taste like crap for a reason. The title of your thread was very aptly name, INSANE

[Red Stripe]

Yup. Well Sam, at least you

got some encouragement out of the deal..... Heres some more I guess..

If youre going to do it, you might as

well jump all in........

BTW I'd go with something with more of a -none flavor were I in your situation. You

said you are not that masculine(which is perfectly fine, stay who you are), and also I'd think you may need that

aura of respect and self-confidence that something like AE gives. I can see matching your personality and that would

call for SOE, but, maybe your ex needs to notice "something different about him"...good luck bud.

[CptKipling]

I don't think

mones apply at all in this situation. The only way that I know works to get a woman back is to let her see you,

happily, with another woman, preferably more attractive than her. If that doesn't get her back, nothing will. Women

are attracted to strength, not weakness. Be strong.
I agree, the products that I recommended are ones that

I consider to be good all rounders with lots of application/mix options.

[tounge]

I don't think

mones apply at all in this situation. The only way that I know works to get a woman back is to let her see you,

happily, with another woman, preferably more attractive than her. If that doesn't get her back, nothing will.




Well sheet! If he could pull that off, why go back to the old stuff. I mean think about it. Who

among us who got into a relationship with a more attractive person and were much happier, would go back to the old

stuff and all its misery? Bottom line is, if he would move on to something better he wouldn't want the old biddy

back.

[CJ01]

No offense Sammy, but why the

hell are you asking for advice. It's plain as day that you are going to do what you intended to do anyway.

He was asking about phero advice,nothing else really. :)

Sam,
Whatever mones you use do make sure

that you don´t focus on your ex too much alright :) But I get the feeling you don´t intend to do that

anyway.

When you´re out and about travelling and meeting new people,total strangers (even though you might never

see again) it´s important to come across as a cool friendly person who a stranger feels comfortable with even

quicker than normal. You´re probably gonna meet other travellers too I imagine.
I wouldn´t thin about getting

laid as much as simply enjoying your `rites of passage´ and the whole experience of being down there. When you do

meet someone you like the pheros can help you of course.
I´d go for products like AE/w ,SOE, AFA,-products that

contain nol certainly. Plus a nice fresh smelling fragrance. I reckon coming across as friendly etc will be more

important than coming across as macho or `manly´on your journey.

CJ :)

[koolking1]

Tounge, I think you need to

reflect a bit more on what I said and find it's deeper meaning.

[SweetBrenda]

Dear

Sam,
There's Ton of Fish in the Ocean... Don't go starving for just

one.
:blink: Just a little advice..

[Friendly1]

Sam, I always believe it's

better to learn from other people's mistakes. However, if you're bound and determined to stay near them, then I

would advise you to tune them both out while you are in close proximity and wearing the pheromones. I recommend you

use LOTS of Androstenone when you are with them both together and a more even mix when you are with just her.



If he responds to the heavy Androstenone the way I think he should, you need to keep your cool and be ready to walk

off to do something else by yourself IMMEDIATELY if he becomes too aggressive.

Let HIM destroy himself in her

eyes. Do not compete. Do not try to prove she made a mistake.

If she ends up leaving him, either she will

find someone she thinks is even better than him, or he will eventually screw up and show her he was a mistake to

begin with. It won't be because of anything that YOU do to prove that you really are a great guy after all. If

she comes to see that, she will do it on her own, and she will see it for reasons you cannot even fathom.

I

think you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt. But if you do get hurt, find a way to channel that pain into

something constructive. In fact, be pre-emptive and set up a hobby or activity that will give you something to turn

to in your life if you DO get hurt. Don't wait for the worst to happen, gambling that everything will be okay.



If you're really lucky, you'll meet someone who will take your heart away and treat you better regardless of

what happens with her. You might end up being friends for the rest of your lives but nothing more.

I doubt

that will happen, but you should remember that you are the only person who will look out for you in all of your

dealings with this girl. She made her choice. She has moved on.

[Sam]

Thanks for sound advice from all,

it's very much appreciated.

"I think you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt. But if you do get hurt,

find a way to channel that pain into something constructive. In fact, be pre-emptive and set up a hobby or activity

that will give you something to turn to in your life if you DO get hurt. Don't wait for the worst to happen,

gambling that everything will be okay.

If you're really lucky, you'll meet someone who will take your heart

away and treat you better regardless of what happens with her. You might end up being friends for the rest of your

lives but nothing more.

I doubt that will happen, but you should remember that you are the only person who will

look out for you in all of your dealings with this girl. She made her choice. She has moved on."

Your

thinking there has connected a few strings of thought that were going on in my own head, and has helped a great

deal. Thanks.

[tounge]

Tounge, I think

you need to reflect a bit more on what I said and find it's deeper meaning.


Koolking, no need

to reflect. It was a joke.

Look, If Chick A dumps me, and I take up with Chick B, who is more attractive and

treats me better than Chick A, then why go back to Chick A just because now she desires me again.

I know what

you are trying to say. I understand the social proof theory.

[DrSmellThis]

I think Koolking was agreeing

with you implicitly.

[happyman]

Guy, I feel your

pain.
However I would definately not give her the cake and let her eat it too if you know what I mean. Find some

other means to get to New Zealand. Take a bus, a plane, save up and buy a junk car to get you there.....anything.

But respect yourself and be your own dude. By her moving in and keeping her boyfriend at the same time is definately

giving her the cake, fork, knive and napkin. And as far as going on a road trip (for any reason) is out. I wouldn't

be his buddy either. I wouldn't be a jerk to either one of them but I sure as hell wouldn't be everyones best

friend.
I would stay cool, friendly, and funny when you see her, and semi-unavailable. Act like you have your

own life. DO NOT ask for her back. DO NOT even mention it. DO NOT even act like it is a thought to you. DO NOT

mention things along those lines ever! If she brings them up act open on it but DO NOT just dive right in. I very

much realize this is hard for you. I very much realize you still have feelings for her. But this is what you gotta

do. Don't blow her off. Just don't be right there waiting. Don't let her move in when she's got another dude

right now and for fucks sake on that road trip. When you see her act like you did before when you guys were having

fun that's all.
If you mention her and you you might kill it. I been through it. In the mean time find a chic

to go out and have fun with. Any girl, It doesn't have to be girlfriend material. It may just be a good friend, but

go out with others.
Happy

[Red Stripe]

Find some

other means to get to New Zealand. Take a bus, a plane, save up and buy a junk car to get you

there.....anything.
You DO know where NZ is located? Don't think a bus or a car will get him there... :D

But point well made, you are correct.

[dping28]

He could always take a VW

Shwimwagen :) tho getting gas may be difficult.. :)

[happyman]

You DO know

where NZ is located? Don't think a bus or a car will get him there... :D But point well made, you are

correct.
No No I knew that. I was just saying get there any way you can. I was going to say sub-marine or

clam boat but I didn't you know want to make it sound cocky.
Ian

[oscar]

Gents,

This is such a

marginally pheromone related topic as it is, that I really don't want to see it turn into a pissing match to boot.

Can we get back to the topic at hand please.

Oscar :)

[CJ01]

This is a phero related topic but

people turned it into something totall_ different :D
-and m_ keboard has been buggered toda_ - weird :p