View Full Version : good looks vs mones
TRock
06-06-2004, 04:02 PM
hey guy, what's
going on. i'm a newbie here. i guess my first question is
do looks or mones a bigger factor? should a good looking
guy use pheromones or don't fix what ain't broke? i'm wondering if the mones will have an affect on the current
success i have or alter my success or increase my success?
TRock
06-07-2004, 07:56 PM
was this a dumb question or
something?
metroman
06-07-2004, 08:18 PM
hey guy, what's
going on. i'm a newbie here. i guess my first question is
do looks or mones a bigger factor? should a good
looking guy use pheromones or don't fix what ain't broke? i'm wondering if the mones will have an affect on the
current success i have or alter my success or increase my success?
Not a dumb question at all & it
has already been debated on this forum ad infinitum...thats probably why you aren't getting a more serious answer.
What matters more, mones or looks?...no definitive answer yet on this one. Personally I think, if used right, they
can provide an edge to anyone irregardless of looks...If you're really interested do a search...theres tons of
stuff on this topic...
Watcher
06-07-2004, 08:54 PM
A combination but with guys its
youre body that women look at and of course how well off you are. Younger ones are much more selective until they
hit 26 then its like well i cant be as selective, the body clock is ticking time to take any guy above a certain
level and settle down. Yes it has been debated to infitum i guess you could just settle for an average rounded lady
instead of a 10 ? women do the same thing with guys , the less attractive ones get left alone more. Pheromones well
it has been debated to infitum suggest you go back through all the old discussions and search.
DZorro
06-08-2004, 12:32 AM
hey guy, what's
going on. i'm a newbie here. i guess my first question is
do looks or mones a bigger factor? should a good looking
guy use pheromones or don't fix what ain't broke? i'm wondering if the mones will have an affect on the current
success i have or alter my success or increase my success?
Goodlooks and mones work well together. But
even if you don't have good looks, you still benefit greatly from wearing mones, but mones alone don't cut it, you
have to have a great personality too. And working out improves it even more.
DZorro,
Elana
06-08-2004, 06:51 AM
It's the whole package that
counts. Keeping in shape helps more than you can imagine. If a guy has great pecs, I won't notice if he has a less
than perfect face. But it isn't one thing or the other...it's everything.
Pancho1188
06-08-2004, 07:04 AM
It's the whole
package that counts. Keeping in shape helps more than you can imagine. If a guy has great pecs, I won't notice if
he has a less than perfect face. But it isn't one thing or the other...it's everything.
I second that.
As I said before, this girl was checking out my chest the other day and didn't seem to give a damn about my face...
:D
DZorro
06-08-2004, 07:16 AM
I second that.
As I said before, this girl was checking out my chest the other day and didn't seem to give a damn about my face...
:D
How long have you been working out in total ???
I'm only at three weeks now. So you could say i'm
just starting out.
DZorro,
Sagacious1420
06-08-2004, 07:22 AM
I second
that. As I said before, this girl was checking out my chest the other day and didn't seem to give a damn about my
face... :DUuuuummmmm, excuse me...my face is up here. :rolleyes:
Pancho1188
06-08-2004, 07:32 AM
How long have
you been working out in total ???
I'm only at three weeks now. So you could say i'm just starting out.
DZorro,
Well, I've been lifting for 6 years now...
Exercising regularly for almost 7... (started
with running)
A normal person could get to my level with about 6 months of hard-core training...but someone of
my size at 14 (5'9"-5'10", 130 lbs.) to now (6'1", 175 lbs.) would take...well, 6 years... :rolleyes:
I
fight my body type every day...I'm honestly probably about 20% bigger than I would be if I did nothing...I'd be
the skinniest SOB you've ever seen... :(
Sexyredhead
06-08-2004, 07:35 AM
Uuuuummmmm, excuse me...my face is up here. :rolleyes:
:D :rolleyes:
Elana
06-08-2004, 07:36 AM
Whoever thinks that women aren't
visual............... HA! :D
Pancho1188
06-08-2004, 07:37 AM
Uuuuummmmm, excuse me...my face is up here. :rolleyes:
Yes, if I were a woman, I'd
say that...
...but as a guy, I'm thinking, "Hey, you want to cop a feel? ;) "
Elana
06-08-2004, 07:44 AM
hey guy, what's going
on. i'm a newbie here. i guess my first question is
do looks or mones a bigger factor? should a good looking guy
use pheromones or don't fix what ain't broke? i'm wondering if the mones will have an affect on the current
success i have or alter my success or increase my success?
Maybe you can think of mones as adding that
extra animal magnetism to what you already have.
Sagacious1420
06-08-2004, 07:49 AM
Whoever thinks
that women aren't visual............... HA! :DOh come on, we all know that women aren't visual...it's
been stated on the forum so it must be true. :rolleyes:
Sagacious1420
06-08-2004, 07:55 AM
It's the
whole package that counts. Keeping in shape helps more than you can imagine. If a guy has great pecs, I won't
notice if he has a less than perfect face. But it isn't one thing or the other...it's everything.It's a
good thing I've got mones or I'd be totally screwed. I make Ash look like an Adonis. On a good day I'm a -4/10.
:(
BDC_Concepts
06-09-2004, 11:06 PM
hey guy,
what's going on. i'm a newbie here. i guess my first question is
do looks or mones a bigger factor? should a
good looking guy use pheromones or don't fix what ain't broke? i'm wondering if the mones will have an affect on
the current success i have or alter my success or increase my success?
Wow, in the simplest terms,
you have brought out the most complex question of all. That is, in humans what is driving our overall attraction to
someone. Is it related more to what we view as attractive, our pheromone secretion, personality perhaps? This is
up for so much debate, as pointed out above, but most people will not disagree that our status as social beings
makes us less reliant on pheromones as it does with insects/animals etc. This has been demonstrated in multiple
studies (check out scent of eros by JVK for some interesting information on insect/animal response to pheromones).
Overall, physical attractiveness is a very complex characteristic that involves a number of different physical
aspects (such as body shape, length of limbs, the placement and size of various facial features, hair quality,
symmetry of the two sides of the body, and so on). Yet, many studies of physical attractiveness ask subjects to rank
people in terms of physical attractiveness according to a unidimensional scale such as the following:
Low
<------------------------------> High
Amount of Attractiveness
Numbers may even be assigned to the scale,
and subjects may be asked to make fine distinctions regarding the overall attractiveness of others. Nevertheless, it
probably is apparent to you that a particular person often is attractive with respect to some characteristics but
not others. Assigning a single number to that person's overall attractiveness may seem arbitrary and artificial--an
exercise that does not accurately capture the reality of the situation. Furthmore, many people will state that
personality can strengthen or weaken one's attractiveness. To sum it up, pheromones are an edge whether you are
attractive or not (albeit in the eye of the beholder). Just like in bodybuilding, you can develop a great looking
body without anything, but certain supplements will definitely deliver that edge. The beautiful thing is that you
can try it out and if you don't see results or notice undesireable results, you can simply stop using them.
Clearly all of us enjoy playing with nature :D. Good luck :)
Matt
BDC Concepts
Sagacious1420
06-10-2004, 12:48 AM
Good post Matt.
Btw,
what happened to the rest of this thread? :confused:
Watcher
06-10-2004, 01:37 AM
Did a moderator delete it ? why
did they do that ?
Sagacious1420
06-10-2004, 01:56 AM
Did a
moderator delete it ? why did they do that ?Dunno, too much off-topic chatter? :confused: Like that's
anything new around here, eh. :rolleyes: :D
Sagacious1420
06-10-2004, 04:09 AM
Maybe the
mods could PM the people whose posts got deleted in the future. ;) The way it happens now only makes people
unhappy..I dunno , they may have to quite their day jobs just to keep up w/ the PMs. :rolleyes: :D
a.k.a.
06-10-2004, 05:18 AM
Pheromones make up for lack of looks
better than looks make up for lack of pheromones.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 06:04 AM
Did a moderator
delete it ? why did they do that ?
If one of us had deleted it, there would be little boxes saying "Post
deleted by xxxxx" Sometimes, when something goes way off topic the mod pulls out the off topic stuff and puts it in
Open Discussion. It isn't fair to the serious posters to alloow their threads to be hijacked all the time.
Sag
is right, if we sent a PM every time we took some action, we'd spend all our time PMing half the forum membership.
If you ever have a question about something we've done, you are always welcome to PM any one of us and we'll find
out for you.
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 06:06 AM
If one of us
had deleted it, there would be little boxes saying "Post deleted by xxxxx" Sometimes, when something goes way off
topic the mod pulls out the off topic stuff and puts it in Open Discussion. It isn't fair to the serious posters to
alloow their threads to be hijacked all the time.
Sag is right, if we sent a PM every time we took some action,
we'd spend all our time PMing half the forum membership. If you ever have a question about something we've done,
you are always welcome to PM any one of us and we'll find out for you.
Yeah, I'm thinking my PM box
would be full 24/7... :rolleyes:
belgareth
06-10-2004, 06:10 AM
Yeah, I'm
thinking my PM box would be full 24/7... :rolleyes:
It isn't already? :D
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 06:17 AM
It isn't
already? :D
Good point.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 06:28 AM
Good
point.
I hope nobody misunderstood that. The moderators don't have the ability to see your PMs or even
tell if you have any.
Elana
06-10-2004, 06:53 AM
Bel was just stating the obvious.
:D
Pancho is a stud.
Ever see that show Average Joe where
the beautiful/hot woman has to pick a average looking guy to date, she gets to know their personalities and is into
some of them. Then they bring in the hunks to mix things up. Eventually the women choose the good-looking guy at
the end, I rest my case.
Elana
06-10-2004, 06:57 AM
Yup! I watched both of those shows.
The "average" guys never had a chance.
But to be fair...I wouldn't consider the guys they picked for that show to
be "average" loooking.
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 07:02 AM
Bel was just
stating the obvious. :D
Pancho is a stud.
I get no PMs from Elana... :(
Well they always selected the nerds,
fat guys (which always get kicked off first) then there were the average looking guys with issues. Elana- there's
already a Average Jane being developed, I'll be watching.
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:06 AM
I get no PMs from
Elana... :(
I can't handle all of the toe to toe business. You always scuff up my sandles
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:07 AM
Elana- there's already a
Average Jane being developed, I'll be watching.
Awesome! I love those stupid shows. :D
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 07:09 AM
Yup! I watched
both of those shows. The "average" guys never had a chance.
But to be fair...I wouldn't consider the guys they
picked for that show to be "average" loooking.
Yeah, they should go down to the DMV to do their
recruiting... :rolleyes:
I want to go on one of those shows just to spite them...I'd be like, "I'm
nice, I'm honest, I won't go around doing crazy stuff, I'm not going to commit cutthroat tactics to win this
thing, I'm just going to be myself...I'm too boring for this show."
Maybe that's why I'm not on any of these
shows... :rolleyes:
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:11 AM
Maybe that's why I'm not
on any of these shows...
or maybe it is because you never auditioned to be on one of those shows. :p
The funny part is when they pour out
their feelings, while the good-looking guys are aloof and don't say much. Those guys she's intrigued with, and
even picks one of them.lol
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:16 AM
The last guy she picked was the
epitome of a dumb muscle head. The guy was amazing looking, but I wouldn't be able to take him outside of the
bedroom. He has zero personality, while the nerd she picked was emotional, warm, sweet and loving. He never had a
chance.
Is that the guy that lives in Tampa, I
think he got pissed because she dated some celebrity. You're dumping a beautiful girl for that reason? Obviously
the guy was there to promote himself, she told him right out he wanted to be an actor.
The last
guy she picked was the epitome of a dumb muscle head. The guy was amazing looking, but I wouldn't be able to take
him outside of the bedroom. He has zero personality, while the nerd she picked was emotional, warm, sweet and
loving. He never had a chance.
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:22 AM
Fabio of all people. What guy would
be jealous of such a clown???
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 07:23 AM
I can't handle
all of the toe to toe business. You always scuff up my sandles
Nice metaphor.
I miss you so
much, Elana! I can change! I swear! Please, give me another chance!!!
:D
That's one interesting
thing with beautiful women...men are whipped because if you disagree or don't listen then they can just go and find
somebody else who will say whatever it takes to stay in good spirits with them...it's a gift and a curse. ;)
Elana
06-10-2004, 07:26 AM
Look how well I trained Tallmacky.
He was a wild tiger, totally out of control. Now he is a fuffy, sweet, adorable kitten. :D :D :D
KittyClair
06-10-2004, 11:05 AM
That's one interesting thing with beautiful women...men are whipped because if you disagree or don't listen
then they can just go and find somebody else who will say whatever it takes to stay in good spirits with
them...it's a gift and a curse. ;)
I think you have it sooo wrong 'boy'
Elana
06-10-2004, 11:14 AM
I bet Pancho agrees with you about
that. :D
franki
06-10-2004, 11:20 AM
:D ..........
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 11:25 AM
I think you
have it sooo wrong 'boy'
As much as I appreciate being insulted...
I'd have to say that I said it
was only "one thing", not the only thing. Secondly, it's just natural for attractive people to have more options
in front of them, and therefore they don't have to be so desperate as to keep a bf/gf.
I can't believe that
anyone who has read this forum (you know, this one where many men ask how to get women as you smell the desperation
emanating from them and know that they will do or say anything to get a woman---I'm sorry, an attractive
woman) could say that attractive women do not have more freedom to be picky and let men come and go out of their
lives if necessary to find one that will treat them right. Some women---not all, maybe not even many...maybe just a
few---are so used to being put on a pedestal that they can accept no less than worship from a man. Now, in my
opinion that's messed up, but if they can get away with it then who's fault is that?
Like I said, that's
one interesting thing about attractive women...they have more options, and therefore are susceptible to such
things. That doesn't mean that they will do that...but they're more likely than unattractive people. How
much crap will you see people who think they're unattractive put up with before they'd leave someone? A lot...
How much crap do you think Elana would put up with? Huh?
Now, I'm not touching deep, meaningful
relationships but only potential ones. People will put up with a load of crap no matter who they are when they're
in love.
Elana
06-10-2004, 11:29 AM
How much crap do you think
Elana would put up with? Huh?
TRY ME!!!!! Muhahahahahahaha :D :D
Pancho1188
06-10-2004, 11:40 AM
TRY ME!!!!!
Muhahahahahahaha :D :DSee? :D
Jerry: So George...remember when I told you Nikki gets
whatever she wants? We are at the movies last night. It's sold out. Nikki goes and talks to the manager. Right
in.
George: Beautiful women. You know they could get away with murder. You never she any of them lift anything
over three pounds. They get whatever they want whenever they want it . You can't stop them.
Jerry: She's like
a beautiful Godzilla.
George: And I'm thousands of fleeing Japanese.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 11:58 AM
Nice banner ad! But you forgot
to make it flash. :rolleyes:
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 12:26 PM
I agree that finding a truly
appreciative, humble, giving, and respectful "beautiful" woman can be a challenge. I'm so used to, ahem, "queenly"
behavior (Think opposite to those qualities for my definition.) I've come to expect it. For example, after 3 very
good recent conversations, I invited three pretty women to my gig last night, knowing that pretty women tend to BS
you and stand people up, and I probably wouldn't be torn for any attention. I had treated each very well,
gentlemanly, and in earnest. I had not given the expectation that it was a "romantic date", so I wasn't mistreating
them in my mind. All 3 said they'd be there and acted excited. None showed. Next time I'll invite 10 or more and
see if one appreciates the invite enough to stick to her word, until I figure out the actual ratio to employ. :D Of
course here in Oregon, where the obesity rate is the highest in the nation (moreso among women, such that you often
see rail-thin, "non-alpha" guys with very large females, presumably because truly height to weight proportionate
women won't have them), very average looking slender women tend to act just as "queenly," if not more. Power
corrupts.
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 12:41 PM
I agree
that finding a truly appreciative, humble, giving, and respectful "beautiful" woman can be a challenge. I'm so used
to, ahem, "queenly" behavior (think opposite to those qualities) I've come to expect it. For example, after 3 very
good recent conversations, I invited three pretty women to my gig last night, knowing that pretty women tend to BS
you and stand people up, and I wouldn't be torn for attention. All 3 said they'd be there and acted excited. None
of them showed. I had treated each very well, gentlemanly, and in earnest (no I had not given the expectation that
it was a romantic date). Next time I'll invite 10 or more and see if one appreciates the invite enough to stick to
her word, until I figure out the actual ratio to employ. :D Of course here in Oregon, where the obesity rate is the
highest in the nation, very average looking non-obese women tend to act just as "queenly".
ACK! Where did
that puke icon go?? :eek: :confused:
Yeah, so attractive people have more options. No doubt about it. We see it
all around. But the above description makes me think you oughta buy a dog instead. I'm hoping it just came off
that way. But still. Much as I kid you, DST, I'm apalled at the qualities you require. What happened to
intelligent, wise, good-natured, capable, independent, kind, or respected (as opposed to respectful - not that
that's a bad thing)? Every quality you mention bespeaks a good pet far more than a fully-functioning, vital woman.
Real Queens are good. Make like a King. (Didn't have this convo, already?)
KittyClair
06-10-2004, 12:50 PM
So what you are saying is
that Beautiful, Attractive women love Men, ahem, Boys that are wuzzes with no spine, no self pride or
worth.
I see.
and Dr ST, I was going to put D, but I dont want to insult you,
not yet.
;)
Women will stand you up, People will stand you up...its no big deal, it has nothing to do with them
being Beauitful...its to do with society, there's always that Bullshit politness to ones face. 'oh yes dear, Id
love to come to your gig'..and then never turn up...Its not queeny, its life. Its what most people will do if they
dont know yo to well. Me I'll jsut say "No I'm not interested in your stupid show, I might turn up to say hello
though, if...I have nothing else to do"
DZorro
06-10-2004, 12:54 PM
So what you are
saying is that Beautiful, Attractive women love Men, ahem, Boys that are wuzzes with no spine, no self pride or
worth.
I see.
and Dr ST, I was going to put D, but I dont want to insult you,
not yet. ;)
Women will stand you up, People will stand you up...its no big deal, it has nothing to do with them being
Beauitful...its to do with society, there's always that Bullshit politness to ones face. 'oh yes dear, Id love to
come to your gig'..and then never turn up...Its not queeny, its life. Its what most people will do if they dont
know yo to well. Me I'll jsut say "No I'm not interested in your stupid show, I might turn up to say hello though,
if...I have nothing else to do"
I like your style, :D
DZorro,
Elana
06-10-2004, 12:55 PM
She is adorable! :)
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 12:59 PM
Let's give up some rep for
Miss Kitty!
Elana
06-10-2004, 01:01 PM
I am maxed out on the Kitty. :D
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Maybe you misunderstood me.
Maybe I ought to buy a dog instead. I don't know. Maybe you and I have a different idea of what a
"fully-functioning, vital woman" is, or what a "real queen" might be, other than the ruler of a country.
Those
are just some qualities I like in people that are relevant to the point I was trying to make.
But anyone who
cannot be respectful of me can take a hike! The same goes for anyone that takes without giving, thinks their shit
doesn't stink, thinks that everyone owes them worship without them having to give in return, and takes my love and
other gifts for granted. I think that covers all my "puke evoking," "appaling" expectations. Those are just basics,
and don't indicate I would be attracted to that person as a partner. For that I need the intelligence, wisdom,
capable, good-naturedness, etc.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 01:10 PM
I just gave her points for
that. It is in large part what the man is willing to tolerate. The more of such nonsense you put up with, the more
you'll get.
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 01:14 PM
Maybe you
misunderstood me. Maybe I ought to buy a dog instead. I don't know. Maybe you and I have a different idea of what a
"fully-functioning, vital woman" is, or what a "real queen" might be, other than the ruler of a country.
Those
are just some qualities I like in people that are relevant to the point I was trying to make.
But anyone who
cannot be respectful of me can take a hike! The same goes for anyone that takes without giving, thinks their shit
doesn't stink, thinks that everyone owes them worship without them having to give in return, and takes my love and
other gifts for granted. I think that covers all my "puke evoking," "appaling" expectations. Those are just basics,
and don't indicate I would be attracted to that person as a partner. For that I need the intelligence, wisdom,
capable, good-naturedness, etc.
I said I was HOPING that's just the way it came off, right?
Now,
let's all join in a rousing chorus of the Poo Poo Song! :D
KittyClair
06-10-2004, 01:16 PM
Yeah you sound like a riot,
inviting Beautiful women to your gig for some self centered test of worth on that person.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Is being insulting, with
however much subtlety, queenly? It depends on what one wants to be queen of.
CptKipling
06-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Yeah you
sound like a riot, inviting Beautiful women to your gig for some self centered test of worth on that person.
Cute ;)
As if women don't test at all.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 01:29 PM
You sound like a riot too,
especially since you know why I do things without asking, and tell strangers their gigs are "stupid". For the
benefit of others who don't have your all-seeingness, though, I invited them because I liked them, and because it
is less threatening way to get to know people to invite them to a public event. The fact that I invited one or two
more that I would have in the past for concern over how I would divide my time was merely a pragmatic tip of my hat
to reality that proved correct.
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 01:31 PM
Cute ;)
As if women don't test at all.
Hold up. Go here:
http://http://66.45.239.227/forum/showthread.php?t=1
0514 (http://http://66.45.239.227/forum/showthread.php?t=10514)
Of COURSE we do! And that guy will score well initially, just for having a clue. And then again, for
his rapt attention. DST came off in that one post like he was doing job interviews, and then was upset because they
didn't drag themselves out of their homes to go be in the audience for the Wonders of DST Show right off. Totally
opposite approach, totally different reaction, even in print.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 01:38 PM
Peachy, that is really a bit
unfair, not to mention inaccurate, to read all that attitude into my post. I think you are reacting to something
else and reading the worst possible meanings into it. Please! "drag themselves out"?? These are people who enjoyed
my company and expressed a genuine interest and excitement in the type of music. It never was about me. But you
weren't there anyway. Give me a break.
KittyClair
06-10-2004, 01:44 PM
For example, after 3
very good recent conversations, I invited three pretty women to my gig last night, knowing that pretty women tend to
BS you and stand people up,
Next time I'll invite 10 or more and see if one appreciates the
invite enough to stick to her word, until I figure out the actual ratio to employ.
:rolleyes:
dont take it personaly, but I would say that to any dunce trying to invite me to their cheesy
gig...
So I meet this guy at a friends cooktail party and he tries to impress me "Hey babe come to my
gig"
of course I'm gonna say "I dont want to go to your stupid ass gig"
Elana
06-10-2004, 01:45 PM
of course I'm gonna say "I
dont want to go to your stupid ass gig"
Gotta love an honest woman :D
belgareth
06-10-2004, 01:50 PM
Gotta love an
honest woman :D
Honest yes. But to the point of unnecessary rudeness?
Elana
06-10-2004, 01:55 PM
Honest yes. But to
the point of unnecessary rudeness?
Bel..I am going to quote you because you made a good point in a
previous post...
It is in large part what the man is willing to tolerate. The more of such nonsense you
put up with, the more you'll get.
If the guy opts to stick around after that remark, then he had better
get used to it.
Sexyredhead
06-10-2004, 01:57 PM
Bel..I am going
to quote you because you made a good point in a previous post...
If the guy opts to stick around after
that remark, then he had better get used to it.
And if he put up with me being that rude without
saying/doing something about it, I don't want him anyway.
CptKipling
06-10-2004, 02:00 PM
I couldn't agree more.
Sisters certainly doin' it for themselves.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 02:01 PM
Actually I do like honesty as
well -- even ugly, superficial, man-hating honesty from people who insult randomly and disrespect rather than make
better points -- compared to the alternative. But I have to give due credit to the honesty part. No one owes it to
me to be nice. People seem to be jockeying for power here, and insulting is a way to impress some people.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 02:05 PM
Bel..I am going to
quote you because you made a good point in a previous post...
If the guy opts to stick around after that
remark, then he had better get used to it.
It still doesn't excuse the original rudeness.
CptKipling
06-10-2004, 02:05 PM
People seem
to be jockeying for power here, and insulting is a way to impress some people.
That's exactly how it came
off.
No one is saying anybody has to agree with anybody else, but there's critisism and, well, mockery.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 02:06 PM
Actually I
do like honesty as well -- even ugly, superficial, man-hating honesty from people who insult randomly and disrespect
rather than make better points -- compared to the alternative. But I have to give due credit to the honesty part. No
one owes it to me to be nice. People seem to be jockeying for power here, and insulting is a way to impress some
people.
Insulting is percieved by some as a means to impress. Doesn't mean it works.
Elana
06-10-2004, 02:11 PM
It still doesn't
excuse the original rudeness.
I personally would never say that to someone. It's just not my style, but I
think Kitty's point was that if she had no intention of going, she would just say so, rather than string someone
along pretending that she will show up when she knows that she has no intention of doing so.
belgareth
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
I personally would
never say that to someone. It's just not my style, but I think Kitty's point was that if she had no intention of
going, she would just say so, rather than string someone along pretending that she will show up when she knows that
she has no intention of doing so.
Since she chose to take the Doc's statements at face value, even adding
a bit of her own interpretation, I saw little choice but to take hers the same way. She was inexcusably rude to the
doc.
tallmacky
06-10-2004, 02:19 PM
I can't stop laughing. This is
too funny. :D
Elana
06-10-2004, 02:22 PM
I baked brownies for everyone. No
more fighting. :)
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 02:24 PM
Sometimes Bel, when jockeying
for power, people even encourage others to insult for them; because they know it wouldn't work as well for them to
do it.
The "reputation function" should also be teaching us something about how people jockey for power behind
the scenes when they have the energy for it.
Elana
06-10-2004, 02:25 PM
To be honest, I skimmed the thread
and missed a lot of stuff.
I wasn't trying to insult anyone here.
franki
06-10-2004, 02:25 PM
The
"reputation function" should also be teaching us something about how people jockey for power behind the scenes when
they have the energy for it.
The rep thing is worthless, cause everyone and his mom have a good
reputation now.. :D ;)
belgareth
06-10-2004, 02:26 PM
Sometimes
Bel, when jockeying for power, people even encourage others to insult for them; because they know it wouldn't work
as well for them to do it.
The "reputation function" should also be teaching us something about how people
jockey for power behind the scenes when they have the energy for it.Yeah, I saw it a lot working in the
corporate world. It sickened me then and it does the same now. I'll encourage debate and an infinite variety of
opinions, even bluntness but have to draw the line somewhere.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 02:33 PM
I can't stop
laughing. This is too funny. :D Believe me, TM, I think it's funny too. :) Thanks.
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Peachy,
that is really a bit unfair, not to mention inaccurate, to read all that attitude into my post. I think you are
reacting to something else and reading the worst possible meanings into it. Please! "drag themselves out"?? These
are people who enjoyed my company and expressed a genuine interest and excitement in the type of music. It never was
about me. But you weren't there anyway. Give me a break.
Oh Pu-LEEZE, DST. We were talking very
specifically about the way the thing came off in your original post. Not what you meant, not what you might have
intended to add later, not your exact tone of voice when you said what you said to those women, not ANYTHING else.
Chill out, already. Despite joking around here, I don't hate men in the least, even when they annoy me at times.
Love 'em all to death, even you when you're having a bad day :) , and I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt.
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 09:43 PM
I'm unclear, and have mixed
feelings about your last post, as much as I love kissing and making up. Not to single you out, Peachy, but did you
not overreact and attack, even relative to my original language? Maybe reread all the language of your first post
carefully, not to mention the 2nd (or 3rd? I forget) one? I expected some backlash. The original experience I
wrote about was indeed painful, and I was outspoken in a little bit of a jaded way about a sad thing I still believe
to be the case in our culture; but think I was more "chilled out" than the triggered responses.
For my part, I
have some anger toward many women; though definitely no smallness of heart or ill intent where they are concerned. I
see it mostly as the other side of my "dogged" open-heartedness, frankly (so maybe your dog relationship idea for me
is good after all). But the shit and mistrust flies both ways on this board, not just from men to women. It's not
all "kidding around". Some men sometimes "hang out and take it", most probably because they want female approval, or
acceptance. That is their duly noted weakness, I believe, partly by nature. That this want typically invites more
self-righteous scorn nauseates me, even if it's just a brute fact of monkey life. If they supplicate, they "invite"
abuse. When a man feels needy that way, and acts on it, he gives up his power. (Though I don't think I felt needy,
I "supplicated" myself when I remarked that what's-her-name's photo was sexy without her having to "work for" the
compliment -- inviting abuse -- and sure enough, there it came. An opportunity for someone to gain power. I even
thought, "Oh, shit!" to myself right after posting. I guess my "giving up personal power" made the person feel safe
to attack. The photo now does less than nothing for me, BTW!) So the resulting abuse from inappropriately
power-conscious women is his fault? Different responsibilities are at stake. Humans are certainly vulnerable and
needy by the dictates of nature, as much as they are strong. At "best" we hide our emotional weaknesses. Sometimes a
man (or woman) chooses to keep his heart open in general, despite expected injuries, because he is trying to create
a certain kind of world. The expected "dominance and defeat" are temporary and ego-related, he hopes. But whether
open or defended, there is an inherent potential for abuse which is not lost on the emotionally clever. That
knowledge can be used for ill, or for healing.
It is not about any one person on a Tallmackian throne. There
are just a lot of problems in our culture with gender relations, and this forum is no exception, as you ladies have
pointed out. In response, I sprang teeth and defended a woman from gender-related bashing just a couple days ago, as
I said I would (but the thread was largely deleted, thankfully). There has to be a way for men to be fully men and
women to be fully women without emotional violence. Sure, it takes a nonexistent level of trust to own the pain
(e.g., anger, hate) that is occuring as a matter of course, and people have to admit they act just like the bald
monkeys they are. But once this dynamic would be deciphered on a small scale, it would be straightforward to apply
it to improving outside relationships, and the rest of culture. Of course implemention would need generations.
JustPeachy
06-10-2004, 10:44 PM
Awww, doc. C'mon. I get just
as much out of reading the guys' posts here as they may get from the ladies'. I apologized for inadvertently
hurting your feelings, and that was sincere. Everybody has tough days and tough issues. Nobody said it was easy. The
only way I know of to really arrive at an understanding is to get out there and dialog, challenge, debate, take a
few lumps, give a few, go to lunch, mull it over, adjust, and get over it. We can sit and ponder, or we can do
something with it.
That said, you were going along just fine there, and then you said, "inappropriately
power-conscious women". And I tripped. What the hell does that mean? Mind you - I'm ASKING, because last time, it
upset you when I responded first instead of asking for explanation first. Is there some invisible limit on how
power-conscious a woman should be? Or anyone? I'm pretty comfortable with the subject power-consciousness. I PLAY
with the idea, even to the extent of horsing around conversationally about erotic power-transfer situations. Think
about it. Really. Some people find power-consciousness and playing with it to be the be-all, end-all of sexy. In
both directions. And some of them swing both ways, gender totally notwithstanding, if my understanding of the
subject is correct. So. What's the "appropriate" limit? Yours? Mine? His? Hers? Is there a rule somewhere? Is it
wrong to feel that it's out of bounds to assume that power in the hands of one particular gender is "inappropriate"
because of their gender? Inquiring minds, you know...
The only thing I know about power struggles between
people, is that (for healthy, functioning adults, anyway) power taken, and power taken for granted is generally
really bad. Power naturally owned, and power freely granted are generally really good. But I'll qualify all that by
saying that I live within a spiritual framework which outright requires me to bow my head before no mere mortal of
any description. In the end, if I have any duty toward others, it's primarily only to encourage them to find and
reclaim their own native power, should they need to. Genuinely spiritually strong people are just naturally very
powerful entities, and the more we know our own, the less we want to usurp anyone else's. My honest feeling at
this point, is that acquisition, retention, and management of personal power is a big issue for you. And I
congratulate you! I think it's a good place to be. Lots of us trying to travel that way, and lots of different
paths to take.
I know I parsed some of what you were saying, so it might not be quite fair, but please try to
take what I saying here as kind of a gestalt, as I didn't suffer much choosing my phrasing in saying it.
Peace!
DrSmellThis
06-10-2004, 11:05 PM
OK. That was a reasonable and
effective question, as I was not referring to how much power consciousness, a lot of which is good,
all other things being equal; but to the type of power consciousness being how abuse happens. Power
consciousness and the accompanying power are responsibilities, as those in the BDSM communities know. There is a
very conscious sharing of it.
Personal empowerment is one of the things I think important in living creatively
on the planet.
Now I see an apology. Before, no. Accepted.
tounge
06-10-2004, 11:27 PM
I baked brownies for
everyone. No more fighting. :)
Ummm!!! Nothing like one of Elana's fresh baked Ex-Lax laced
brownies. They are good for what ails some people around here.:D:D:D
Watcher
06-11-2004, 01:54 AM
Kitty tells all guys off - dare i
say prima donna - ive met with and dealt with enough of them over the years - and since i joined up here i know
exactly how to deal with em - they are to busy out with each other being competitive with other females to mostly
not bother with guys.
They say they use men (but never get with em) etc etc.
Dont wanna sound to
testostrone here but the slightly less attractive women (8s) tend to be a little more more "personable" and less
"man hating" - i guess it is to sort the best from the rest and because they have always had male attention
everything is about sex - which it is anyway but thats another point lol.
I do respect women BUT .... those
that expect everything based upon their looks have 20 years at most ...... and are usually to up themselves to
bother with - and when you do they are usually louzy sexual partners because they expect the men to do all the work.
SLightly less attractive ones are more robust during mating lol and slightly more exciting in general.
Elana
06-11-2004, 05:19 AM
(Though I don't think I
felt needy, I "supplicated" myself when I remarked that what's-her-name's photo was sexy without her having to
"work for" the compliment -- inviting abuse -- and sure enough, there it came. An opportunity for someone to gain
power. I even thought, "Oh, shit!" to myself right after posting. I guess my "giving up personal power" made the
person feel safe to attack.
What does your comment about Kitty's picture have to do with how she
responded to you or anyone for that matter? You commented on the armpit exposed and it was a very interesting
observation, but I don't remember any negative comments in regard to that subject. Do you think that has something
to do with the way Kitty responded in this thread? I am just curious.....
belgareth
06-11-2004, 06:01 AM
Ok, this thread started out as
a discussion about mones verses looks. It was hijacked into a pissing match. The only reason I let it go on was that
there were some valid comments about the art of attraction. However, it has turned into an off topic discussion. I
would appreciate it if you folks would either take it off line or to open discussion.
Elana
06-11-2004, 06:03 AM
NO!!!
I was leading it in a
different direction.
I wanted to talk about compliments as a positive. Some women actually love to be complimented
and are attracted to men that appreciate them and tell them often.
Elana
06-11-2004, 06:06 AM
I quit......I am done with this one
too.
I don't know how this got so out of hand. I am sorry for anyone's feelings that were hurt.
belgareth
06-11-2004, 06:06 AM
NO!!!
I was
leading it in a different direction.
I wanted to talk about compliments as a positive. Some women actually love to
be complimented and are attracted to men that appreciate them and tell them often.
Please do. That would
be a good way to bring the conversation back to attraction.
Hang on not so fast this is getting
good :-)
I just read the post today for the first time and I did get a sense of unnecessary rudeness (no
names). This is a common phenomenon all over the web for some reason people feel the need to rag on one another over
minor things.
LS is one of the better site for discussion in my opinion.
Now on the topic of looks
verses mones I think that initially looks win out.
All you have to do is turn on the TV and watch all those
pretty people onscreen to titillate your viewing interests, not to mention the booming diet, health club and plastic
surgery industries.
I also believe that mones can add to your appeal if your a lets say a 6 it can boot your
interest level higher.
Scent is a powerful phenomenon. On the other had good looks can and do fade over time
so you better bring more to the plate.
Time and other factor in life have a way of making pretty people
humble in later years; believe me I know of what I speak.
DCW
Pass the butter -Betty Croker
I do notice a lot of rudeness and
fighting going on around here lately, let's be civil and discuss things without putting someone down. Unless you
want to do this all-day.
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DrSmellThis
06-11-2004, 09:46 AM
You commented on
the armpit exposed and it was a very interesting observation, but I don't remember any negative comments in regard
to that subject. Do you think that has something to do with the way Kitty responded in this thread? The
comment is about mammalian level behavior we all engage in. I am using myself as an example to help folks understand
that it is another level of human interaction, mostly an unconscious one, that gets underemphasized. Any time one
gives a compliment in a power-significant situation that isn't really natural to the ebb and flow of the
relationship, even if only perceived this way; there is a power exchange involved. (A simpler example would have
been a guy who gives a woman flowers before it is appropriate, regarding how that changes the power dynamic.) There
wouldn't necessarily have been any comments as regards the inappropriate compliment, as it wasn't about the
compliment itself. It was about the bigger power dynamic. You are correct that often compliments per se turn out
well, depending on the situation. But not always. It was humorous to me to think that I could be responsible on
mammalian level for inviting the reaction. Maybe that wasn't really happening even on an unconscious level.
I don't know, and want to move on anyway, at this point. Maybe I should have said it was an "as if" for
illustrative purposes, or not speculated at that point. But it is even possible to have a positive overt
response to a physical or "energetic" gift; (e.g., "Wow, thanks, I really appreciate that! You're so sweet!") and
yet have an opposite power dynamic happen on another, most often unconscious, level. Know that I am not suggesting
people not give compliments. I would suggest that people give in their relationships to a level they feel is natural
to the ebb and flow. We each have many examples of mammalian power exchanges in our daily lives, and it is germane
to attraction science. The topic has been discussed many times in the forum. Raising our power consciousness, as
Peachy observed, should be a good thing.
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 09:53 AM
I think Dr is a wise believer
in "Treat 'em rough get the muff".
Doc I agree with that aspect, not the above but what you are saying, in
that if a guy who has not gotten the response of a sexual/emotional desire from a woman if he starts handing out
compliments they may be appreciated but they hardly if ever help with your "chances" and in turn can actually be a
negative for the one handing the compliments out....The loss of power etc.... Now the guy who has got a noted
positive reaction from a woman needs to hand out those compliments or else......bye bye.
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:01 AM
This may also seem bias to say,
but in general, attractive girls learn at an early age how to control and dominate guys. In other words get the
wanted effect out of guys. Guys do this too, but usually yield less power. :P Its all in the power of what they say
and how they react, a lot of guys will fall ploy for it at some time. "What honey you really think its too
small".......its no secret that the guys that take less shit and retain their "power" (whether assholes or not) seem
to have little problems getting by the "bitchiness". Much of this is unconcious at the time but people know what
they are doing to a certain extent. Girls know why they like the guy who they can't just push over. And guys know
why they like the girl with bigger balls than them.
That said about women, guys have a lot of negatives, for
one they are gross. I am a gross person btw. :eek:
CptKipling
06-11-2004, 10:02 AM
Right, and those compliments
don't have to be verbal. The best received compliments will be the ones that induce a feeling of excitement, and
make her feel thought about/loved.
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:06 AM
Right, and
those compliments don't have to be verbal. The best received compliments will be the ones that induce a feeling of
excitement, and make her feel thought about/loved.
Exactly, telling a girl "Wow, you are so pretty"
isn't going to make them ball over in happiness, have to be a little more than that, and they may think "Ahh shit
another toad". If that is the only compliment you have to offer. :p
Yes, big manly feeling actions not
always words, it may come off as a lot of people like to say "beta" when a pest like guy keeps complimenting a girl
on her face ass or tits. :eek: If that is all you have to say to her don't expect her to respect and "thank" you,
when the vice versa is not happening.
BTW I am sure the Doc is more dynamic than that (my sweet loverboy),
not speaking about the Dr. directly anyhow.
DrSmellThis
06-11-2004, 10:17 AM
Yep, that tends to be the way
it is (not literally "treat 'em rough, though ;)). I'd prefer everything to be sweet all the time and
"hippie-like", but it has to be natural to the flow to help the intimacy get there, assuming you have a chemistry in
the first place.
DrSmellThis
06-11-2004, 10:23 AM
TM, you the man 4 smooth. Show
us how it's done, loverboy!
JustPeachy
06-11-2004, 10:24 AM
Like so many other things, I
think it's less what you do than how you do it. I reject men who come off as weak to me. But what's weak? One
thing that comes to mind is a guy I know who used to be a total blast to flirt with. It was give and take, chase and
be chased, wink, wink, nod, nod. Big fun. I warned him straight up it was all about the flirt with me, and to never
expect more because it wasn't there. I smiled, bit was direct about it. Then he decided to make a move anyway. No
surprise there. Saw it coming, and that's why I warned. It was cool. He was very direct. So was I, but I liked him
so I handled him gently. But next time I saw him, it was all 'bout gettin' rough. The guy talked to me in a tone
of voice and said stuff you wouldn't actually even say to anyone you weren't already horizontal with, and was
insistent. Poof! Off the radar, just like that, no more nice Peach. He thought he was comin' on all strong, I saw
it as super-weak, a desperado play. He wasn't going to get anywhere anyway, so he lost nothing in the attempt.
Except a friend and good-times companion. Too bad, too. He had a far better chance of finding someone when he was in
play. It made him look more desirable to other women, plus I was introducing him to other women I know in the course
of all the playing around.
So what's "rough", TM? You're gonna have to define it better, for it to make
sense. Can you give us a scenario?
This may also seem
bias to say, but in general, attractive girls learn at an early age how to control and dominate guys. In other words
get the wanted effect out of guys. Guys do this too, but usually yield less power. :P Its all in the power of what
they say and how they react, a lot of guys will fall ploy for it at some time. "What honey you really think its too
small".......its no secret that the guys that take less shit and retain their "power" (whether assholes or not) seem
to have little problems getting by the "bitchiness". Much of this is unconcious at the time but people know what
they are doing to a certain extent. Girls know why they like the guy who they can't just push over. And guys know
why they like the girl with bigger balls than them.
That said about women, guys have a lot of negatives, for one
they are gross. I am a gross person btw. :eek:
Sage! Very
Sage!!!
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:29 AM
Yep, that
tends to be the way it is (not literally "treat 'em rough, though ;)). I'd prefer everything to be sweet all the
time and "hippie-like", but it has to be natural to the flow to help the intimacy get there, assuming you have a
chemistry in the first place.
Very true Dr. and people may find it odd when it is guys who say,
"let's cut the shit and the games". :p
I remember my brother was in NYC, and I was on the phone with him
and he was talking about buying his new girlfriend flowers and I jokingly said "Be careful you don't want to come
off as caring too much", he then responded to the effect of "Who gives a shit if I do, if she is really worth it she
will like the Flowers." That meaning, I don't want to play games, and to just be honest and real and if she can't
take that or wants to play games, or is turned off by that (caring).....f#ck her. :eek: It turned out well, she is a
great girl and he is still into her. That could be considered being "rough". If the girl is smart enough to get
it.
There still are matches out there, though. A lot of tastey shiet to dig around in but it still can work
out on some level.
JustPeachy
06-11-2004, 10:35 AM
Exactly! Bro is a ballsy dude.
My little playmate was a total weiner. It wasn't what they did, so much as the 'tude that went with it.
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:36 AM
Sage!
Very Sage!!!
Yeah I could go
into details on how women attain their power, and the worst part how many guys nurture this. It starts at puberty
and with many "lies" and changes in a woman's character, even down to the guys she is into then. For example they
could be into the overtly skinny, ugly guy who is not afraid of girls in HS, and then advance into liking actual
men. Bad way of explaining this but I don't feel like it. :p Its all natural though, like those -mones so
complaining about the way a woman acts is unrealistic, its there for a reason. Still....don't mean you got to like
it, but don't be a bitch about it.
I agree with Peachy, even women who are very sexual are at the
basis emotional creatures, sure the looks add on a lot to a guy, but if they aren't feeling his personality they
will leave your ass, and they should! Women are also great at taking one thing a guy says for example and knowing a
lot about his personality. So to those that say women are too emotional or too quick to judge, no they aren't they
are just better judges. A girl can tell from one response from a guy whether he is a dumb ass, liar, cheater, dead
beat, piece of shit, great guy, protector, honest etc... Whether they are judging on merits of good or bad. Whatever
they are looking for. :p
JustPeachy
06-11-2004, 10:41 AM
A girl can
tell from one response from a guy whether he is a dumb ass, liar, cheater, dead beat, piece of shit, great guy,
protector, honest etc... Whether they are judging on merits of good or bad. Whatever they are looking for.
:p
Sometimes. Some of us. Otherwise, there's no explanation for otherwise smart women making insanely bad
relationship choices. :)
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:43 AM
Sometimes.
Some of us. Otherwise, there's no explanation for otherwise smart women making insanely bad relationship choices.
:)
Gotta love the Drama, eh? :D
I guess that's the Mamalian (subconcious and partially
irrational) layer, that Dr. is talking about, which is also true! :eek:
JustPeachy
06-11-2004, 10:46 AM
Gotta love
the Drama, eh? :D
I guess that's the Mamalian (subconcious and partially irrational) layer, that Dr. is talking
about, which is also true! :eek:
I might be tempted to leave at most of us being very quick at perception.
Judgement is a whole other thing. :D
tallmacky
06-11-2004, 10:50 AM
I might be
tempted to leave at most of us being very quick at perception. Judgement is a whole other thing.
:D
Ok let's make a peace offering. A offering for peace between Penises and Vaginas in all of the
love-scent world. We abid by this agreement or we all become Hermaphrodites....deal? :eek:
I am done posting
for all of today, my brain hurts so bad, between Peachy and Dr. its really hard to say which one makes me re-read
their posts the most to get out all the information. You both are some smart asses (in a good way :)) :eek:
JustPeachy
06-11-2004, 10:52 AM
Ok let's
make a peace offering. A offering for peace between Penises and Vaginas in all of the love-scent world. We abid by
this agreement or we all become Hermaphrodites....deal? :eek:
I am done posting for all of today, my brain
hurts so bad, between Peachy and Dr. its really hard to say which one makes me re-read their posts the most to get
out all the information. You both are some smart asses (in a good way :)) :eek:
I perceive a wish to
leave. But I'm reserving judgement on it. :D
Sexyredhead
06-11-2004, 11:24 AM
I perceive
a wish to leave. But I'm reserving judgement on it. :D
:D :D :D :D
fran1
06-11-2004, 01:06 PM
If you have goods looks but not a
good aura(aroma, voice, walk, sense of body language, etc) mones only will help you to get people around you and
thats it.
In case that you want more than that, practice first without Mones and when you think that you can make
something big try it, little, by little.
For me the speed that you can make with mones its incredible, specially
this enhace your genetic information and what do you want in that moment to the people thats around you smelling
this.
Be careful, have fun, and try to speak with JVK, he can give you better instructions.
fran1
06-11-2004, 01:09 PM
Another point.
Will be great
that the people who make this products give us their own feedback too.
I want to know how successful they are
when they applying their own products!
What do you think guys?
will be goo to hear from the owners of this
products to tell us their hit stories with details and instructions of use.!!!!
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