View Full Version : Question to JVK SOE TIPS
fran1
05-07-2004, 05:40 PM
JVK, I think
that SOE need more information tips.
For example give us some tactics that you use to get some beatiful ladies with
SOE(any special dose or fragance points, etc)?
How you let them approach to you? and so on.
I really want to know
your own experiences JVK and how you conquer it.
Professor, the forum is all yours, we wait for your tips.
fran1
05-07-2004, 05:43 PM
How you
normally behave with SOE will be one of my question too.
And I see thaty you take dhea too with SOE....You can
advice us to take this too do you?
fran1
05-08-2004, 07:20 PM
Any tips?
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jvkohl
05-08-2004, 07:59 PM
What I do/use
in various situations would only be of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income.
Other than that, the results I get are meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality
attracts women who are outside the norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an
interest. To get her interest (or not) I will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity
or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right
down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to
expect nothing, women can sense desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond
their initial hesitation. Go out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good
time, you will be more at ease; no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the
dominant male. The whole idea of pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes
through in their scent.
More later, perhaps.
BigGulp
05-08-2004, 08:10 PM
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More later, perhaps.
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Reading more would be appreciated!
Truth be told,
women - or anyone for that matter - can\'t tell the difference between a guy who doesn\'t give a f-ck (someone
who is not desperate) and a guy who is just shy. Nobody is so focused on each individual\'s body language where
they are going to analzye every person in the room. They are more focused on the immediate stiumuli. That said,
aggressiveness works far better than playing it cool if you are amongst strangers - even if playing it cool is
cooler.
bigdog
05-09-2004, 01:08 AM
Thanks Dr.
The part about sensing desparation is so very true. That\'s why SOE is a heckuva product. It helps to put me at
ease and gives the attitude of \'whatever\' when otherwise I may take things too seriously. SOE\' effiects
permeate and get others to be chit chatty and relaxed. Much of this has to do with the affect on the wearer. None
can often put one at a sexual mindframe and an aggressive behavior coming from it can be sometimes detrimental. Nol
from SOE can put one ease and others can see this. Too many people thnk about the sexual and overdo the none when
nol can be just as if not more effective. By the way I\'m about to put an order in for SOE unscented. I have
forgotten but now realize how important SOE is.
Holmes
05-09-2004, 07:31 AM
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What I do/use in various situations would only be
of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income. Other than that, the results I get are
meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality attracts women who are outside the
norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an interest. To get her interest (or not) I
will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up
on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right down to the fact that she is only looking
for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to expect nothing, women can sense
desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond their initial hesitation. Go
out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good time, you will be more at ease;
no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the dominant male. The whole idea of
pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes through in their scent.
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Great post sir!
Holmes
jvkohl
05-09-2004, 04:54 PM
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Truth be told, women - or anyone for that matter -
can\'t tell the difference between a guy who doesn\'t give a f-ck (someone who is not desperate) and a guy who
is just shy.
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Evidently we dissagree. For example, someone who is
shy is less likely to make direct eye contact, or to hold eye contact for more than a split second. Someone who\'s
not at all interested is more likely to look at others in the room with an \"attitude.\"
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Nobody is so focused on each individual\'s
body language where they are going to analzye every person in the room. They are more focused on the immediate
stiumuli.
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No need to focus on anyone but the one who almost
immediately draws your attention (because you already have a very good idea of what you\'re looking for). You will
then watch her body language to see what clues of availability she sends to others, and hopefully--with eye
contact--to you. If she\'s interested in you, you\'ll know it.
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That said, aggressiveness works far better than playing it cool if you are
amongst strangers - even if playing it cool is cooler.
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Agressiveness might work better if you\'re looking for a woman who will either question or
react to your every move. I don\'t think it works well at all if you\'re trying to get to know someone better.
But there\'s no reason to play it cool (or play anything else)--unless you\'re looking for another \"player.\"
Holmes
05-09-2004, 05:14 PM
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But there\'s no reason to play it cool (or play
anything else)--unless you\'re looking for another \"player.\"
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How do you mean?
Holmes
Stuff like eye
contact, posture, and so many other things do project confidence, yes. But in most cases you have to engage women
to get them to notice these things - thus the need to be aggressive if your goal is to meet someone.
Like
you, however, I play it low key. I will place myself in proximity of someone I am interested in too, and then try
and pick up on body language. However, many young women can be very shy or flat out just don\'t know (how) to
send guys signals when they are interested. This makes the whole process more difficult.
Older women of
course are a far different story. Personally, I admire their understanding of the game. The younger ones are just
so damn cryptic sometimes.
In any case, I\'d say the desperate aggressive guy is far more likely to pull a
chick then the cool, confident laid back guy who doesn\'t put in work. People don\'t sense confident strangers
in bars because they are f\'en drunk and their minds are too occupied to notice some dude\'s body language.
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to
compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
jvkohl
05-09-2004, 05:41 PM
More...
Went
to a party last night at about 830pm where a few friends were there doing Karaoke (in a dry county; no alcohol). A
lady whom I later found out was in her 30\'s kept giving me the eye. Asked a mutual friend about her (ensured she
was not married and was unattached) then agreed to an intro. Stood next to her in conversation for about 15 minutes
till I got distracted by some friends at another table. While standing I remembered that I did not wear any SOE, and
wondered if that might make a difference. A few minutes later, I went over to her table and was refused a dance. She
left 15 minutes later. Lesson learned: I will not bother to stand next to a woman who appears interested in me,
unless I\'m wearing SOE (I\'m convinced I need the enhancement). Like anyone else, I don\'t like
rejection--and in this case I really have to wonder why she was focussing on me so intently, if she didn\'t want
to get my attention. At no time did I get the impression that she wasn\'t interested, until I asked her to dance.
And, this is the only time in as long as I can remember that I\'ve been turned down (for a dance, that is). The
last woman I met casually asked me, as we were leaving the private club (alcohol permitted), if I wanted to come to
her father\'s empty cabin for sex, and reitterated the \"just for sex\" part. She had about two hours exposure
prior to this, while we were sitting and talking, then while playing 3 games of pool. My life before SOE use was
quite different than it has been since using SOE. Admittedly, though, I\'ve never tried any other pheromone
product. One advantage I have is that it\'s my creation, which leads to conversation about pheromones and their
effect, and frequently to discussions of sex. It\'s a much smaller step to go from discussion of sex to active
participation, once you\'re alone with a woman. Forum members should know enough, or learn enough (there\'s a
good book about the topic: The Scent of Eros), about pheromones to carry on a good discussion, and develop social
skills to the point where they can carry on further from there. Pay attention to all the guys who are looking for
sex but the subject just doesn\'t get mentioned. Pheromones are the introduction to the subject that you will
either discuss or participate in with a willing partner. But if the subject doesn\'t come up, what are you going
to talk about, while you\'re wasting each other\'s time? Personally, I could care less about what sports
she\'s interested in, or her dogs, cats, other pets, or children, or TV shows she watches. If you\'re
experimenting with different mixes, ask her if she likes the fragrance you\'re wearing--and then be prepared to
discuss chemical communication/animal behavior--without any crass language. Then, don\'t be surprised if later on,
you both are behaving like animals. If not, no problem, because the next time the topic comes up, you\'ll be even
better prepared for discussion, and sooner or later you\'ll meet someone who wants to do more than discuss sex.
Caution: the first crass word or alcohol-induced lapse in good sense (don\'t you dare look around the room for
someone else), and you\'ve most likely lost the opportunity for anything further. Additional caution: disregard
all of the above if you\'re looking for a meaningful relationship.
jvkohl
05-09-2004, 05:48 PM
If you resort
to \"role-playing\" you\'re much more likely to end up with someone who is also playing some kind of game. Since
women\'s motives are usually more difficult than men\'s to determine, she will figure out what you\'re willing
to do to \"get\" her before you find out enough about her to know whether you\'re really interested in more than
her body. Then, even if you do \"get\" her, she will continue to have the upper hand in any game that either of
you continues to play.
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jvkohl
05-09-2004, 06:03 PM
After
drafting my latest, I see BTF is synchronizing his thought pattern with mine.
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However, many young women can be very shy or flat out just don\'t know
(how) to send guys signals when they are interested. This makes the whole process more difficult.
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For me it makes the process so difficult that I no longer bother with
women who don\'t know how to communicate their intent.
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Older women of course are a far different story. Personally, I admire their
understanding of the game. The younger ones are just so damn cryptic sometimes.
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I\'m fairly certain you understand the concept of cryptic female choice, and how this relates
to concealed ovulation. Basically, women don\'t know what they want unless they\'re in the ovulatory phase of a
non-oral contraceptive influenced menstrual cycle. The clues they send at ovulation are sufficient enough that with
minimal observation, you should be able to tell who\'s interested in more than just casual conversation. If not,
observe a little longer.
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In any case, I\'d say
the desperate aggressive guy is far more likely to pull a chick then the cool, confident laid back guy who
doesn\'t put in work. People don\'t sense confident strangers in bars because they are f\'en drunk and their
minds are too occupied to notice some dude\'s body language.
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That\'s why I mentioned the alcohol problem. But I don\'t mean that you need to be laid
back. Of course, you need to do some work. Very few women will approach you, no matter how much they would like to.
Men, typically, must make the first move. What I\'m saying is to match your moves to her mood rather than take a
series of chances on anything that looks good at the moment.
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Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
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I\'ve never seen desparation work, except when fat chicks need to get
laid so much that they become overly aggressive. It won\'t take them long to find someone who\'ll go for it.
fran1
05-09-2004, 07:03 PM
JVK your
tips are good, but we need some street wise explaniation:
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
What I do/use in various situations would only be of interest to other men my
age/height with similar proportions and income. She will either become fidgity or more relaxed/friendly.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
In this case, when you talk about income, age and height and all
stuff, tell me the quantity of SOE do you use personally(in your case)and the spot of your body that you use? I want
to have an clear idea of your product that it is a miracle.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of
interest--sometimes right down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it
NOW.
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In this part, tell us your personal cues to know what she
wants NOW.....Remenber JVK here we are from so many cultures that we really are interesting how this stuff work,
with womens around the world.
tounge
05-09-2004, 07:49 PM
Jim, I agree
with Larry.er Fran1. Please elaborate on your use of SOE. How much, the body spots. Do you add another fragrance?
And also how things have changed for you since before and after. Thanks for your time ad anticipated answers.
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I\'ve never seen desparation work, except when
fat chicks need to get laid so much that they become overly aggressive.
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And except when guys will hit on fat chicks and anything else with two legs.
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Elana
05-10-2004, 05:29 AM
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Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my
opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared
to do.
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YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
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Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
tallmacky
05-10-2004, 12:44 PM
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
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Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
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OUCH!
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Now, Elana go and answer all of my pm\'s I really need
attention from you, and read my pm\'s about my seduction techniques and my cooking recipes, and then tell me how
to be sexier...ANSWER NOW I AM DESPERATE!!!
tallmacky
05-10-2004, 12:45 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my
opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared
to do.
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This works, its working wonders!
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
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Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they
can. We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The
guy that walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That
is when the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so
the desperate man will go away.
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Elana, did it ever occur to
you that some women go to bars wanting to hook up or who are too drunk to think straight?
The guys that run
around hitting on one chick after another inevitably find them.
Elana
05-10-2004, 01:17 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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Desperation
works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use
it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana, did it ever occur to you that
some women go to bars wanting to hook up or who are too drunk to think straight?
Hit on as many as possible and
you are bound to find them. Good luck!
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Then those women would
make a bee line to the man that they are attracted to and the woman would work her magic. Women are just not
desperate enough to go home with a pathetic man just so that they can have sex.
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Then those women would make a bee line to the man
that they are attracted to and the woman would work her magic. Women are just not desperate enough to go home with a
pathetic man just so that they can have sex.
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Women aren\'t big
on making the first move. And why make the first move when guys are coming after you anyway?
Aggressiveness
wins out in these cases. Some may call aggressiveness confidence, and in many cases it is, but aggressivenss
without any sort of selectivety is partly desperation, IMO.
Elana
05-10-2004, 01:26 PM
Whatever
works for you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
don\'t worry
kiddo, I will give you the next one /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
05-10-2004, 01:39 PM
Maybe you
can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink
and take you home. Women LOVE that!
ToBeOrNotToBe
05-10-2004, 01:43 PM
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Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s
pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE
that!
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ironration
05-10-2004, 01:46 PM
I knew
it!
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s
pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE
that!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
metroman
05-10-2004, 03:33 PM
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana is giving us good insights
into the Female Psyche...I for one believe this to be the case...Even if you are really desperate try real hard not
to act it...Women can sense it a mile off & are totally put off by it...
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s
pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE
that!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes princess, I shall take your advice!
Elana
05-10-2004, 03:47 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s pheromone signature and then
going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE that!
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes princess, I shall take your advice!
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class=\"post\">
one more addition to the plan. Bathe in bleach. If bleach is not available just rub your sperm
all over your body.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe you can
try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and
take you home. Women LOVE that!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes princess, I shall take your
advice!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
one more addition to the plan. Bathe in bleach. If
bleach is not available just rub your sperm all over your body.
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class=\"post\">
I am writing all this down. Will this be included in the second edition of your seduction
guide? I really loved the first one.
Elana
05-10-2004, 03:53 PM
I did not
include this information in \"Get women to throw money at you as they give you oral sex and cook you a large steak
dinner\"
By Elana
$49.95 on Amazon
I didn\'t know about any of this until I read a few posts from
Ironration and Manchorito, and we all know the Internet rule.
Damn. And I
thought years of research was behind all of this. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
jvkohl
05-10-2004, 06:18 PM
Fran1
There
are many posts from others that offer more in the way of street wise explanations than I will ever have time to
detail. Besides, the most important things that I have to say have all been said in my book. In the book, the lack
of specific usage instructions is not an error of ommission. Instead, the natural assumption is that from reading
the book, and through your individual experiences, you will figure out what works best for you, and maybe even why
it works the way it does. The reality of all this is that each of us has a unique pheromone signature (e.g., tissue
type). And each partner we seek will respond (or not) to our unique pheromone signature, under equally unique
conditions. It\'s easy to use pheromone products to enhance one\'s masculine or feminine component of their
pheromone signature, but it\'s also easy to see why results of enhancement may vary. That is, the uniqueness
remains, no matter how much you enhance the masculine or feminine component. Culturally, if you\'re trying to gain
the interest of an Asian female (who\'s still in Asia), it would be easy to offend her by enhancing your masculine
scent--same goes for women who are super sensitive to male odor. So, if I tell you that I use 3, 4 inch rolls of SoE
on each side of my neck, and you do the same--what are the odds that you will have results similar to mine?
Incalculable. Experiment, like other members of this Forum have done, and find what works best for you, and most
often. If I could teach everyone what worked best, I\'d be a millionaire. And, if I could make everyone think that
I knew best how they could get laid more often, I\'d be a millionaire. So, obviously, either I must not know it
all, or not want to be a millionaire, or maybe just not want to con people. (Take your pick) It should be equally
obvious that I don\'t have time to answer specific questions, but am happy to comment on certain discussions when
I do have some time. For cues on body language read Timothy Perper\'s book, or Monica Moore\'s work (don\'t
know if she\'s published a book, but she\'s done some good work that\'s published in research journals). Also,
Karl Grammer and others at Ludwig Bolzman Institute in Vienna, have some good information written in German. Nearly
every source of good information is documented/referenced in The Scent of Eros, and typically with extended comments
in the endnotes of each chapter.
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JVK your tips
are good, but we need some street wise explaniation:
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
What I do/use in various situations would only be of interest to other men my age/height with similar
proportions and income. She will either become fidgity or more relaxed/friendly.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
In this case, when you talk about income, age and height and all stuff, tell me the quantity of
SOE do you use personally(in your case)and the spot of your body that you use? I want to have an clear idea of your
product that it is a miracle.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I can pick up on
very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right down to the fact that she is only looking for
something very casual--but she wants it NOW.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
In this part, tell us
your personal cues to know what she wants NOW.....Remenber JVK here we are from so many cultures that we really are
interesting how this stuff work, with womens around the world.
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Sagacious1420
05-12-2004, 08:05 AM
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</font><blockquote><font
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Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
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Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 09:00 AM
Desperation will get you nowhere. The only thing desperation gives you is knowledge that you have nothing to lose,
which leads you to be gutsy and ask a woman out. The positive part of desperation is the willingness to take risks.
That\'s what it\'s all about. The negative part of desperation is you give off a very low
self-confidence/self-image and you hang on by a very thin thread...
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Let us a work a bit for his attention.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
As much as I agree with Elana 100% that women aren\'t attracted to desperation and will
pretend to be with someone else to get away from the \"desperate guy\", I find this particular part to be
contradictory to the norm. The whole point of women making the guy make the move is that the guy gives her his full
attention...after all, he probably crossed a crowd full of people to pull up a seat next to you and say hi. Yeah, I
know a \"cool\" guy with an \"attitude\" will scan the place while he\'s talking to make it look like it\'s
a casual hello or he has other things he could be doing or something, but let\'s not kid ourselves into thinking
that somehow a woman needs to work for his attention. Unless you count acting interested or being interested work,
I think it\'s more of a you just have to open your mouth and continue the conversation to really keep the guy
there. Honestly, when was the last time a guy \"abandoned ship\" on a girl who was definitely interested but was
having trouble keeping a conversation due to nerves or something?
Then again, it would be the test of a lifetime
for me to keep a conversation going with a stranger for longer than 20 seconds, so maybe I shouldn\'t be
questioning this. Honestly... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Women don\'t
want a guy who is desperate, but sometimes they are too drunk or horny to care or notice.
That is why
desperation works. Desperate guys hit on women and until they run into one who fall into the above mentioned
category.
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 09:37 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Women don\'t want a guy who is desperate,
but sometimes they are too drunk or horny to care or notice.
That is why desperation works. Desperate guys hit
on women and until they run into one who fall into the above mentioned category.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
That\'s true.
Wouldn\'t you respect yourself more, though, if you switched from
desperate to bold and daring? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I guess the response would
be,
\"I don\'t think I\'d be worried too much about my desperation and pathetic attempts while I\'m
getting laid!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif\"
...which is also very true.
LOL, hey some
guys are bold and daring, some are desperate. I don\'t see anything wrong with going up to women who you are
really interested in, but some guys literally act like they have never seen a woman in their life once they enter a
club. Hitting ON everything. On to the next and on to the next. And eventually, someone falls for it.
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 09:52 AM
I\'m
still waiting to institute the \"Petter Gibbons\" approach...
\"Oh. I’ll tell you what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna
go next door and get a table and if you’d like to join me, no big deal. All right? And if not, that’s cool too.
Ok?\"
Although I could also see myself sitting at Flingers alone...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 09:59 AM
Someone
was on the subject of body language somewhere, so I\'ll just mention a good way to project interest.
If you
ever want to find an effective way to project a strong sexual aura to a woman, you need to look no further than most
Western movies...
You know the look: the suave, bad-ass, debonnaire cowboy comes out of the saloon, walks up to
the column next to the steps, and leans against it with his thumbs through his belt loops. All the girls around
take interest in the man.
Why? Well, there\'s subtle body language cues from this pose. This is a very open
stance (don\'t cross your legs), your crotch is slightly pushed forward, and your fingers, although hanging in a
relaxed position, are all pointing straight to your penis. How\'s that for a subliminal message? You make eye
contact with girls you are attracted to and smile at every one of them. When you pick up a positive signal from a
girl, you can make your approach. That\'s when you can let a warm smile and assertive posture do 85% of the
talking for you...
...but that\'s just a suggestion from a body language perspective.
Bottle
05-12-2004, 10:08 AM
Here\'s
what worked for me.
grind dance with a stranger, say \"Hmm I like the way you dance\" I walk of...she say
\"thanks\" almost to my back.
Later she is tied to her four poster bed...
the next day I dont ask,
but tell her to give me her number.
Desperate works...yeah whatever [ rolls eyes until they hurt ]
Bottle
05-12-2004, 10:10 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Someone was on the subject of body language
somewhere, so I\'ll just mention a good way to project interest.
If you ever want to find an effective way to
project a strong sexual aura to a woman, you need to look no further than most Western movies...
You know the
look: the suave, bad-ass, debonnaire cowboy comes out of the saloon, walks up to the column next to the steps, and
leans against it with his thumbs through his belt loops. All the girls around take interest in the man.
Why?
Well, there\'s subtle body language cues from this pose. This is a very open stance (don\'t cross your legs),
your crotch is slightly pushed forward, and your fingers, although hanging in a relaxed position, are all pointing
straight to your penis. How\'s that for a subliminal message? You make eye contact with girls you are attracted
to and smile at every one of them. When you pick up a positive signal from a girl, you can make your approach.
That\'s when you can let a warm smile and assertive posture do 85% of the talking for you...
...but that\'s
just a suggestion from a body language perspective.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
creepy scary
person
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 10:51 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
creepy scary person
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I figured someone would question
this...
http://www.sacticket.com/sta
tic/movies/news/1014eastwood.html (\"http://www.sacticket.com/static/movies/news/1014eastwood.html\")
The only difference in this shot is Mr. Eastwood has his hands in his
pockets instead of his belt
loop...
http://www.clinteastwood.net/welcome2.html[/url
]
Oh, and here\'s some belt action...
...but I\'m sure Clint Eastwood never got any women...and
I\'m sure nobody ever thought he was attractive or had attitude, either...
They even model cowboys in
this pose...this is a ridiculously bad example, but whatever...it\'s the first thing I found on a dogpile image
search:
[url=\"http://www.pinkumbyrecords.com/pics_olcwb.htm\"]http://www.pinkumbyrecords.com/pics_olcwb.ht
m (\"http://www.clinteastwood.net/welcome2.html\")
Bottle
05-12-2004, 11:02 AM
Hello
Clint is an Actor, Films are make believe. Poses in magazines and in films are not gonna get you laid in
the real world.
Being natural and not forcing the situation is gonna get you further...and will make for a more
memorable and pleasurable encounter.
Standing arround with your hands pointing at your dick is pathetic
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 11:08 AM
Well, I
posted what I\'ve read in body language books, but what would professionals in the world of psychology know about
that?
Bottle
05-12-2004, 11:21 AM
Next time
you get a girl in bed...you better consult a book by a professional before going any further, just to make sure you
get it right, huh.
go get um cowboy
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 11:28 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Next time you get a girl in bed...you better
consult a book by a professional before going any further, just to make sure you get it right, huh.
go
get um cowboy
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I did, and I\'ve gotten great compliments,
thank you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif In fact, my girlfriend at the time enjoyed taking a
look at it, too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Men\'s Health accidentally sent me the
book \"Sex Secrets\" in the mail years and years ago after I purchased \"Totally Fit\". Needless to say, I
didn\'t take the time to send it back and report the error...I just paid the bill and read the thing.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Lucky me since I\'d be too embarrassed to buy such a book in a
store, and I got great ideas that really sparked bedroom action with relatively shy girls when I got
older.
Back to body language, I\'ve been given a recommendation from a forum member a while back on the
subject, and she recommended \"Body Language Secrets\".
Bottle\'s right...you have to be natural.
Unfortunately, many people have a tendency to close off and tense up in situations, so it\'s important to practice
an open demeanor and a friendly, welcoming posture/aura/whatever to increase your chances of success. The relaxed
lean against a wall with your hands in your pockets or thumbs through your belt loop was just a suggestion of a
relaxed demeanor that can look quite natural due to its comfortable positioning and friendly, open message. There
are many other preferences that people should look into as well. If you think it\'s pathetic, you can always try
something else that suits your style, as long as it feels natural like Bottle said.
That\'s one of the
problems with desperation. Yes, drunk girls can miss the cues and horny girls might not care, but a normal woman
will notice how you carry yourself and run away as Elana said. You can easily create a more positive demeanor that
projects an attractive aura if you just take time to try. The best recent post that comes to mind is about the one
guy who was depressed for a while and then got out of his funk and started getting women like mad...I\'m sure his
body language changed along with his attitude.
Elana
05-12-2004, 11:44 AM
What the
hell is wrong with some of you guys? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I am convinced
in your next life you will come back as Manchirito, Elana.
Elana
05-12-2004, 11:52 AM
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I am convinced in your next life you will come back
as Manchirito, Elana.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Elana
05-12-2004, 11:57 AM
Let\'s sum
all of this up....women love for men to act desperate, stand like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into
watching porn, and beg them to buy men drinks.
This is good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you
have to do is pose like a dork and women will beg you to take them home to clean your house and then give you great
sex\"
Sagacious1420
05-12-2004, 12:28 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Let\'s sum all of this up....women love for men
to act desperate, stand like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into watching porn, and beg them to buy men
drinks.
This is good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will
beg you to take them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Don\'t forget my steak dinner, woman! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Elana
05-12-2004, 12:36 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Let\'s sum all of this up....women love for men to act desperate, stand
like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into watching porn, and beg them to buy men drinks.
This is
good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will beg you to take
them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Don\'t forget my steak dinner, woman! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">That was my first book. If you had sent in your 12 easy payments of
$49.98, you would know that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
franki
05-12-2004, 12:53 PM
Can i use
Paypal? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Sagacious1420
05-12-2004, 12:56 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Let\'s sum
all of this up....women love for men to act desperate, stand like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into
watching porn, and beg them to buy men drinks.
This is good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you have
to do is pose like a dork and women will beg you to take them home to clean your house and then give you great
sex\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Don\'t forget my steak dinner, woman!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">That was my first
book. If you had sent in your 12 easy payments of $49.98, you would know that!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Your 1st edition
is on it\'s way...don\'t know how much it cost though, \'cause I talked this really hot woman into buying it
for me. Thinking back on that whole scenario, I was leaning up against a pillar w/ my thumbs through my
belt loops at the time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Now where\'s my steak dinner.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Dammit woman, don\'t make me use my belt loops on you!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Elana
05-12-2004, 12:58 PM
The belt
loops get me everytime <dreamy sigh>
Yes Franki...I take paypal but I have to charge a $25.00 paypal fee
per order.
Mtnjim
05-12-2004, 01:01 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Let\'s sum all of this up....women love for men
to act desperate, stand like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into watching porn, and beg them to buy men
drinks.
This is good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will
beg you to take them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Damn, girl, You have shown me the error of my ways!!!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 01:06 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Thinking back on that whole scenario, I was
leaning up against a pillar w/ my thumbs through my belt loops at the time.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Now where\'s my steak dinner.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Dammit woman, don\'t make me use my belt loops on you!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Bottle
05-12-2004, 01:06 PM
so I\'m
eating my dinner...and natural born killers has just started
\"so how flirty are you now...sexy
boy\"
hahahahaa
Pancho1188
05-12-2004, 01:12 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will beg you to take
them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Damn, girl, You have shown me the error of my ways!!!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I must announce that Elana has made a false claim! It has to be false
or I would be oversexed and have a spotless house!!!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Actually, maybe it is true...after all, didn\'t
they make a movie about it?
Eternal Sex Drive with the Spotless House
fran1
05-12-2004, 06:23 PM
JVK thanks
for the tips. Would be helpful that you write another book not so technical but in users experiences with your
product given general advice.
What do you think?
Danke JVK
a.k.a.
05-16-2004, 09:00 AM
Streetwise
Tips for SOE
1. You Are The Man
Whatever it is that she NEEDS from a man, you have it, you know that you
have it, and you’re going to make her work for it. (As in, “Yeah, I know you want to ride the seven waves of tantric
bliss. But what do I get out of it?)
2. You Have The Magic Touch
The most powerful effect of SOE is that it
erases personal space. So pump up the kino: a light touch on her forearm, a friendly hand on her shoulder, tenderly
brush the hair from her face, a bold hand on her thigh... it all depends on the context.
3. You Create
Anticipation
This one requires a bit of Art. A good rule of thumb is to stay 10 minutes behind your desires.
For example. If you want to check her out, hold off until she notices (and gets a whiff) of you. If you want to
talk, just glance at her a couple of times (showing your interest) before walking up to her. If you want to dance,
talk a little longer. If you want to kiss her, stare at her lips a couple of times.
4. You Are In Control
When
things get hot, make sure that you are the one driving her passion and not vice versa. Don’t stick your tongue down
her throat unless she’s hungry for it. Don’t mess with her zipper unless she’s reaching up your shirt and etc.
Elana
05-16-2004, 09:07 AM
I like
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Sagacious1420
05-16-2004, 10:18 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Streetwise Tips for SOE
1. You Are The Man
Whatever it is that she NEEDS from a man, you have it, you know that you have it, and you’re going to make her work
for it. (As in, “Yeah, I know you want to ride the seven waves of tantric bliss. But what do I get out of it?)
2.
You Have The Magic Touch
The most powerful effect of SOE is that it erases personal space. So pump up the
kino: a light touch on her forearm, a friendly hand on her shoulder, tenderly brush the hair from her face, a bold
hand on her thigh... it all depends on the context.
3. You Create Anticipation
This one requires a bit of
Art. A good rule of thumb is to stay 10 minutes behind your desires.
For example. If you want to check her out,
hold off until she notices (and gets a whiff) of you. If you want to talk, just glance at her a couple of times
(showing your interest) before walking up to her. If you want to dance, talk a little longer. If you want to kiss
her, stare at her lips a couple of times.
4. You Are In Control
When things get hot, make sure that you are
the one driving her passion and not vice versa. Don’t stick your tongue down her throat unless she’s hungry for it.
Don’t mess with her zipper unless she’s reaching up your shirt and etc.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Nice! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
DrSmellThis
05-16-2004, 10:53 AM
Good
work, AKA! These all seem great to me, though some of the \"pick up artist types\" might disagree with the
\"waiting\" part of #3 (remember the \"10 second rule\"?). But women like men who show discipline combined with
passion. Let her see you masterfully controlling your passions, (part of being \"cool\" -- helping her feel
safe and protected along with horny) the idea being that you have them not that you don\'t; as opposed to
them controlling you, until she almost begs you to do her. Let a little passion escape, but only when
well-controlled. Always show mastery. You are not the least bit afraid of doing whatever you want (e.g.,
approaching her), you are rather \"always\" in control of what you do! (thinks to himself, \"but if I wasn\'t
you\'d damn well know it, sweetie!\") /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif You are so good at
controlling your personal raging bull, in fact, that you are the perfect man for her to feel safe unleashing her own
screaming uncontrolled passions with. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You might just, ahem, tie her
to the bed to help her out that way. Sometimes an almost imperceptible naughty smile or raising of the eyebrows (a
la Bond) is good that way, for example. Or thinking to yourself, \"Don\'t make me come over there and do you!\"
Brian
05-17-2004, 07:01 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Someone was on the subject of body language
somewhere, so I\'ll just mention a good way to project interest.
If you ever want to find an effective way
to project a strong sexual aura to a woman, you need to look no further than most Western movies...
You know
the look: the suave, bad-ass, debonnaire cowboy comes out of the saloon, walks up to the column next to the steps,
and leans against it with his thumbs through his belt loops. All the girls around take interest in the
man.
Why? Well, there\'s subtle body language cues from this pose. This is a very open stance (don\'t
cross your legs), your crotch is slightly pushed forward, and your fingers, although hanging in a relaxed position,
are all pointing straight to your penis. How\'s that for a subliminal message? You make eye contact with girls
you are attracted to and smile at every one of them. When you pick up a positive signal from a girl, you can make
your approach. That\'s when you can let a warm smile and assertive posture do 85% of the talking for
you...
...but that\'s just a suggestion from a body language perspective.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You try this out this weekend and let us all know how you make out.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I don\'t know! Maybe it\'s because I\'m older or
something. I have a hard time understanding
why you guys need books to learn how to approach a woman. These are
social skills that
should have been learned already. If you\'re 25 yrs old or something like that and you
need
a book to learn how to pick up women, I\'d say that you are in a lot of trouble, and probably
will
never attain the social skills required. These self help books are written for one reason
and one reason only! to
make money.
While you guys are sitting at home reading up on how to score, the player is out there
scoring.
I\'ll say one thing for you guys, you sure have great imaginations.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
fran1
05-21-2004, 09:39 PM
Nice
tips.
We need more please from around the world.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Friendly1
05-22-2004, 07:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You try this out this weekend and let us all know
how you make out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
If done with the right attitude, it works. Women read body language better than men,
regardless of whether they get their knowledge from books or experience.
In general, women learn to READ other
people while men learn to BROADCAST.
What most men learn to broadcast by their body language is \"I AM NOT A
DOMINANT MALE\".
Many years ago, when I was in college, a lesbian friend and I were talking about something and
she mentioned she had seen me all the way across the campus. I mean, out of a crowd of hundreds of people, she
recognized me at a distance of a couple of hundred yards.
My ex-wife, who went to the same college, could do the
same thing.
I asked my friend how she knew it was me. She said, \"Because you have that distinctive
dont\'t-f***-with-me walk.\"
She was right. I DID have a distinctive, keep-away walk. My whole attitude was,
\"I am more trouble than it\'s worth to you.\" I still boil over with that attitude from time to time. Once it
was pointed out to me, I realized I needed to keep it contained in some situations.
But I never lacked for
attention from the girls. I\'ll admit I had more attention than I knew what to do with. I always had the best
results when I gave up trying to get them and moved on. As soon as it looked like I wasn\'t interested in them,
they became interested in me.
The bad guy attitude works when its real, natural, and obviously a challenge to the
women.
I am one of the guys who has been studying body language from books over the past couple of years.
It\'s an eye-opening endeavor. There are some very good books out there and some very bad ones. The great thing
about body language books is that you can immediately test what these writers have to say without looking
stupid.
All you have to do is observe people. Nothing more. No approaches, no come ons, no lines, virtually no
effort required.
Just pay attention to what other people DO when you see them interact with each other. Then
rerear the appropriate chapters in the books.
The good books explain that body language works in clusters. One
action doesn\'t mean anything by itself. When grouped with other actions, it can mean several things, so you have
to understand what is going on.
I now know when a woman wants to talk with me. Before, I used to \"sense\"
when a woman wanted to talk with me. I was subconsciously reading women\'s body language but didn\'t really
understand what I was seeing.
So, yes, it\'s worth the effort. And these books help in many more ways. They
help in dealing with people at work, in dealing with your friends, in dealing with strangers in potentially
dangerous situations.
Don\'t be put off by anyone who says you don\'t need a book to learn what you should
have learned growing up. Most guys DO need the extra help, because most guys never grew up the way women grow up:
learning to read body language.
Boys jostle for dominance. The signals we learn to look for when we are growing
up are the cues to who is most likely to beat the crap out of us. Most guys aren\'t willing to go through with a
fight. I never backed down. That doesn\'t mean I always won. It means I never backed down. When people saw I
was willing to endure a beating at the hands of 2,3,4 other guys, they usually realized it wasn\'t worth the
effort. After all, I might end up with a black eye and a fat lip, but I still would not let the other guy be top
dog.
When I became comfortable with the risk I was taking, I became a guy the other guys didn\'t want to cross.
When I became that guy, I acted like him.
I never understood why the girls liked me. Now I know. It was my
confidence, my ability to stand up to the big, tall guys and act like their equal or superior. As I matured, I
became more sociable, more fun to hang around with. Now I\'m \"cool\" because I make them laugh, and because I
don\'t take crap from anyone (unless I\'m just tired and don\'t care).
Holmes
05-22-2004, 08:06 AM
Good
post.
Holmes
Sunny
05-22-2004, 10:45 AM
Friendly,
can you specifically recommend a book (which is available at Amazon)?
Thanks!
Sunny
Friendly1
05-22-2004, 02:09 PM
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Friendly,
can you specifically recommend a
book (which is available at Amazon)?
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Please see
this thread in the Open Discussion forum (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=offTopic&Number=124623&pag e
=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1\").
It
lists books I have read and some short reviews on them. It also includes some anecdotes from my late
morning/mid-afternoon today.
Sunny
05-22-2004, 02:29 PM
Thanks
friendly!
fran1
05-22-2004, 07:14 PM
Friendly1
thanks for the post about body language. I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few
weeks ago I try to do some rapport with SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her
eyes. The womens were more agressive looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant
but no really feel it.
One trick that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe
that she catch my attention.
We need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be
good too.
Friendly1
05-22-2004, 10:12 PM
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Friendly1 thanks for the post about body language.
I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few weeks ago I try to do some rapport with
SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her eyes. The womens were more agressive
looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant but no really feel it.
One trick
that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe that she catch my attention.
We
need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be good too.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Eye contact is important. It is often a woman\'s first test of your
manhood. Most men fail the test immediately, and they never realize it.
Tonight I was at a club with some
friends of mine. Several very beautiful women in the group. Several good looking guys. This dance night was by
invitation only, so I only invited the best dancers in my circle of social friends.
The OTHER women in the club
were all checking me out. Young girls stood right next to me and kept looking at me. I was talking with my
friends, laughing, enjoying myself.
I never returned the eye contact. I didn\'t need to.
When I was getting
ready to leave, a friend of mine pointed out two girls who had been standing next to me for 30 minutes. These were
gorgeous babes, on the male scale of desirability. One in particular kept turning to look at me.
At the very
least, I could have danced with them. I doubt I could have picked them up (very difficult for an older man to pick
up a young woman in a club). But if I were to meet them on a regular basis, they might join my group,
etc.
Nonetheless, I let the opportunity pass. I meet so many women now I don\'t need to cast my nets for new
fish. I think my friend was hoping I\'d help him meet the girls. But I was tired and have things to do after I
get some sleep.
When you know what to look for, you have the power you\'ve been craving all your life. As you
come to appreciate this power, you begin to feel more confident. Of course, that doesn\'t diminish the average
woman\'s sexual power. In the United States, we men have all but given up complete control over relationships to
women.
Just look for the eye contact. They will glance at you sideways. They will make excuses to be near you.
They will \"show off the goods\" (even though they don\'t want you to stare -- it\'s another test, of course,
to see if you\'re a man or a dud).
They will give you every opportunity to graduate to the next test.
You
need to put yourself in the position of deciding whether it\'s worth your time.
BigGulp
05-22-2004, 10:30 PM
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They will give you every opportunity to graduate to
the next test.
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What\'s the next test?
Great posts BTW!
Elana
05-23-2004, 03:49 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Friendly1 thanks for the post about body language.
I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few weeks ago I try to do some rapport with
SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her eyes. The womens were more agressive
looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant but no really feel it.
One trick
that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe that she catch my attention.
We
need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be good too.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Amazing writing skills, Fran1. What an improvement.
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fran1
05-23-2004, 08:29 PM
Friendly1
nice tips. Will be great that you told us how you catch the women that you like. The whole process for novice like
me.
I want to share something with you people. The third week that I use SOE I see a lot of hits with gays, and I
dont like gays (nothing personal, I have a friend that is gay but I am straight). Well that week, 3 different gays
try to make rapport body language with me, but moving their shoes, feets and legs, to copy my movements with their
feets specially, and sending me signal with their shoes when they were sitting. I try to avoid to see them but they
were doing that in a good way that I need it to look, until I get angry( I move from my seat, or telling them that I
was not gay that I love womens).
The thing here is that I really want to learn their techniques to use it with
womens, for me was something new and I want to know where I can find information about it.
They use a lot of their
feets in a way that you need it to look(in my case I was getting angry for the distraction).
I want to know how
they do it, because I try to put my attention, my eyes, my body away from them, but they move their feet, legs in a
way that the side of my eyes were reach for them. (One of them even approach with me---smiling and trying to give me
his hand--- and I telling him that move away in a very bad way)
I forgot this too. When I saw them to their eyes
with a bad face in the begining, they try to see in others directions and then they begin again when I was doing my
work, with the feets, legs and shoes moves, until they put me nervous and angry.
Please Friendly1 do you know about
this technique or anyone else?, and How to dominate against gays without move of my seat or putting a bad face or
speak with them(body language defense in this case). And how to use this gays technique with womens of course.(I
think this is a good one)
But again they were using most the lower part of their body, than the upper one.
What a
tip will be this?
Friendly1
05-23-2004, 08:51 PM
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Friendly1 nice tips. Will be great that you told us
how you catch the women that you like. The whole process for novice like me.
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class=\"post\">
I haven\'t met her yet. I am just having fun and occasionally benefitting in a professional
environment from my use of pheromones.
If Miss Right should come along, I will have to be patient. I doubt she
will jump into my arms and yell, \"Marry me, you BIG MAN! I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!\" Although I did have a
cute one ask if she could dance with me forever....
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/>
I want to share something with you people. The third week that I use SOE I see a lot of hits with gays, and I
dont like gays (nothing personal, I have a friend that is gay but I am straight).
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Gay guys soft hit on me all the time. There is nothing you or I can do about it. Don\'t
make a big fuss over it. I haven\'t had any chase me down the street, screaming for sex or anything. I don\'t
return eye contact and I shift my position casually if they brush up against me so they know I am not welcoming
their advances. I don\'t act like they are pariahs.
fran1
05-28-2004, 08:54 PM
Friendly thanks for the
tips.
There is a special way to know that this women want somethin NOW.
How do you note that --------
I see
that you are the guy with most experience here.......and JVK of course......
Gossamer_2701
05-29-2004, 08:46 AM
Fran1 writes....
There
is a special way to know that this women want somethin NOW.
How do you note that --------
Easy... she won't
be able to take her eyes off your pipino:D
happyman
05-30-2004, 01:01 AM
What I do/use in
various situations would only be of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income. Other
than that, the results I get are meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality
attracts women who are outside the norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an
interest. To get her interest (or not) I will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity
or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right
down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to
expect nothing, women can sense desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond
their initial hesitation. Go out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good
time, you will be more at ease; no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the
dominant male. The whole idea of pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes
through in their scent.
More later, perhaps.
Wanted to let you know that I agree with much of
what you say. It is factual information. Being at ease and smooth and confident is Soooooo key. This attracts women
more than any other trait
1. Confidence
2. Smooth
3. at ease
Those are the ones that get them
to dig you. As long as your not you know, putting on this Fonzie act. They can tell when it's an act vs. The true
way you feel. If they sense it's an act. Your not going to get anywhere. So how do you do this.
1. Think to
yourself, I am not butt ugly and I have seen some beutiful chics with butt ugly guys. I am not even close to being
butt ugly. I am a league above them. Of coarse I can get with her....whoever she may be.
2. I am not a loser. And
I know for a fact many girls have boyfiriends that are complete losers. I'm not a loser at all or even close so my
chances are so good here.
3. Think to yourself, you know, I am going to just glide up and start talking to this
girl because I can. I'm not butt ugly, a loser, or any of that. She should be glad I at least say hello and talk to
her. Isn't that what it's all about?
4. What am I supposed to do just shy away like a toad that has absolutely
no right even walking within 20 feet of her and scat??? I don't think so! She may be what I want but that
definately doesn't mean I am beneath her or anyone.
What if she worked at an ice-cream shop or a bank and I
wanted an ice-cream cone or a transaction at the bank. Well this is no different. She is what I want sure but the
chic isn't beneath me. Let's do this.
Try it. It works.
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