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xxxPantero
05-05-2004, 07:54 PM
Name: xxxPantero
Age: 20
Height: 5\'9
Weight: 145 and gaining
Muscles: coming soon to a body near

you
Pictures:
Straight from the

shower (\"http://www.angelfire.com/realm/et/pics/DSC01295.JPG\")
From the Gym (\"http://www.angelfire.com/realm/et/pics/DSC01265.JPG\")


The girlfriend (\"http://www.angelfire.com/realm/et/pics/DSC00977.JPG\")


Tired from a night out (\"http://www.angelfire.com/realm/et/pics/DSC00872.JPG\")


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Background

Info:
I\'ve been studying seduction for a long time. Possibly too long. The moment I began, I got involved with

a beautiful, but slightly obsessive girlfriend (my first) who I continue to date today. We\'ve had (and have) a

rocky, intense, soap opera type relationship with both it\'s share of highs and lows. Still insecure about my high

school days and my failures with women, I continue to study seduction and try to attract as many women as

possible.

I discovered this site about 2 years ago. Somehow, without pheromones, I was able to attain two

occasional Fu<k Buddies, both of which are uber-hot. But as far as my results with pheromones, I\'ve gotten ONE

hit, about 1 1/2 years ago.

I was wearing an SOE gel packet when I ran into a friend from high school. We

talked for a long time, and she said \"Jesus, I have to go home, but I can\'t seem to stop talking.\" This was

for hours, outside of a Taco Bell. I count this as a hit, because she is the quiet type, and SOE is said to make

others more talkative and chatty. Since then, I have tried TE, AE, SPMO (which fu<king reeks to me), PI. All with

no results.

I am currently experimenting with NPA, SOE roll-on, Chikara, and APC (should arrive soon). Still

nothing. I am determined to find a mix that works for me. I know pheromones are the \"icing on the cake\", but I

have the cake, dammit. I just want the icing, the edge to my interactions with females.

Too much doesn\'t

work for me, too little doesn\'t work, I\'m still unsure of what amounts of -nol, -none, and -rone is ideal for

me, and I\'m getting frustrated. I\'ve tried the same application as when I got that ONE hit, without any

results. I know pheromones work, because they have made me aggressive, sleepy, or instantly horny.

I\'m

trying to conquer this nagging insecurity of mine, so then I don\'t have to chase every skirt I see. I tend to

become obsessed about things and don\'t stop working at a problem until I\'ve solved it and understand it, or

have completely given up. This is not something I want to give up on.
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I\'ve already learned a

lot from you guys, phero-related and otherwise. I\'m hoping I get the opportunity to learn more, so please leave

some advice!

From the male members of this forum, I need your phero advice, especially if your physical stats

sound close to mine. I\'ve tried DD Lite and WKM to no avail, which are reputed to work well for my age group

(still waiting to try JB#1).

From the female members of this forum, I need your attraction advice, and what I

can do to enhance my appeal, both physically and attitude-wise.

I wonder what brilliant solutions you all can

come up with for me.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ...fingers crossed

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bigdog
05-05-2004, 08:16 PM
Sounds like you\'ve had your share of success without mones.
Therefore if I were I would use them sparingly.

It seems to me you may be relying too much on them and should focus more on interpersonal reaction with women. Be

yourself, be personable, smile, and know the qualities you are looking for in a woman. Mones can definitely be

successful utilizing but they shouldn\'t be the key to be counted on to attract a mate.

camusflage
05-06-2004, 09:56 AM
Don\'t give up, and don\'t obsess. Think of each encounter as but one small battle in a much larger

campaign.

As far as advice, based on a recent study, one of the first things women notice are shoes. A co-worker

of mine didn\'t believe this at all, but even after an informal poll of fellow co-workers, most of which listed

shoes up there, he still didn\'t buy it. It wasn\'t until he met a girl and went out with her that upon asking,

said the shoes are important because they tell you a lot about a guy that he finally listened to me.

DCW
05-06-2004, 10:54 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Don\'t give up, and don\'t obsess. Think of

each encounter as but one small battle in a much larger campaign.

As far as advice, based on a recent study, one

of the first things women notice are shoes. A co-worker of mine didn\'t believe this at all, but even after an

informal poll of fellow co-workers, most of which listed shoes up there, he still didn\'t buy it. It wasn\'t

until he met a girl and went out with her that upon asking, said the shoes are important because they tell you a lot

about a guy that he finally listened to me.

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My ex girl told me

the same thing , don\'t neglect the feet.

DCW

xxxPantero
05-06-2004, 02:02 PM
I have really nice shoes, and have been complimented on my new ones.

jvkohl
05-07-2004, 03:23 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Name: xxxPantero
Age: 20
Height: 5\'9
Weight:

145 and gaining
Muscles: coming soon to a body near you

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Those of

you who have less body mass compared to height might appreciate the following info on women\'s

preferences.

http://health.discove

ry.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456 (\"http://health.discovery.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456\")

DZorro
05-07-2004, 04:20 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Name: xxxPantero
Age: 20
Height: 5\'9
Weight: 145 and gaining
Muscles:

coming soon to a body near you

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Those of you who have less body

mass compared to height might appreciate the following info on women\'s

preferences.

http://health.discove

ry.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456 (\"http://health.discovery.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456\")




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class=\"post\">


Nice post,

This kind of reminded me of a cartoon i used to watch a few years back, i

think it was called johny bravo, i guess that\'s why he could never get a girls, because of his musles

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DZorro,

Holmes
05-07-2004, 06:10 AM
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The exceptions to the rules are extremely

attractive women who tend to be willing to take the risk of marrying well-built men. (That may explain why Jennifer

Aniston and Brad Pitt are an item, and why the marriage of Billy Joel and supermodel Christie Brinkley didn\'t

last.)

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\"Oh Billy, you\'re the most wonderful man, but you\'re

just not...racked enough for me.\"


Holmes

Mtnjim
05-07-2004, 08:15 AM
Guess it\'s time to quit the gym and go on a diet.
Think I would have better luck at 5\' 10\" ans 110 lbs?

DrSmellThis
05-07-2004, 09:19 AM
We should just eat whatever Keith Richards, Mick Jagger and Stephen Tyler eat.

BigGulp
05-07-2004, 09:34 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Name: xxxPantero
Age: 20
Height: 5\'9
Weight: 145 and gaining
Muscles:

coming soon to a body near you

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Those of you who have less body

mass compared to height might appreciate the following info on women\'s

preferences.

http://health.discove

ry.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456 (\"http://health.discovery.com/news/healthscout/article.jsp?aid=518456\")




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class=\"post\">


From the Study.

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
\"When

women are choosing mates -- except for very attractive women -- they\'re facing a tradeoff of choosing a guy

who\'s very sexy or one who will stick around and treat them well,\" he added.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">



It\'s been my experience that most women don\'t have the capacity to think that

deeply.

Even so, I got it dicked! I\'m a very scrawny muscular guy. Once I get my butt implants I plan on

being very narcissistic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DrSmellThis
05-07-2004, 09:37 AM
Gerbil Butt Implants?

xxxPantero
05-07-2004, 08:12 PM
\"While they\'re attracted to muscular men for quick flings, female college students surveyed at two

campuses said they\'d choose scrawnier guys as spouses, according to new research\"

What I want is some quick

flings, I already have potential spouse(s). That\'s why I\'m working out, in addition to the other reasons. I

should mention to you all that there is a difference between health and fitness, by the way. Fitness comes from

exercise, and health comes from diet and how well you take care of yourself (sleep, etc.). When you look at it that

way, most of us are more concerned with being fit instead of healthy, when both should have equal importance.

I

had a female co-worker take me out for drinks today. She accidentally touched my ass the other day, so I accused her

of trying to grab my ass without even buying me a drink... so she offered to buy me some drinks. Went out, wore 2

sprays of Chikara, and one dab of NPA. No hits, although we touched each others thighs a lot. Would have happened

without the pheros though. I didn\'t amplify on the attraction, though, but we had a good chat.

One of my

fu&lt;k buddies called me today and had passed by my job an hour after I hung out with my co-worker. Missed her

call, but got a message 5 hours later, and I kicked myself. We haven\'t fu&lt;ked in quite a while, so maybe

she\'s lost the fu&lt;k buddy status, and is now just a friend. Who knows, who cares, besides my willy.

Anyway,

APC should be arriving soon. I will try that, as well as JB#1 to see if I get any additional hits. If not, it must

be my body language and behavioral patterns I should work on, without using the pheromones. Although I do want to

try PHEROS when it is next available.

For now I am studying David DeAngelo\'s Sexual Communication program...

seems great so far. I like the stuff this guy says and the books he recommends. I don\'t follow him dogmatically,

but he does make some convincing arguments most of the time. He has some great products, although high-priced, since

in the process of becoming someone attractive to women, you end up being a better person overall, not a manipulator

who plays games and lies to women and has their life falling apart. The philosophies I\'ve learned from him end up

impacting all areas of my life in a positive way. You guys should check out his stuff.

BigGulp
05-07-2004, 10:56 PM
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You guys should check out his stuff.




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Right after I get my Gerbil Butt implants.

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