View Full Version : Beta-nol + Androsterone in large groups
surfs_up
04-20-2004, 08:19 AM
Pardon me if I begin this thread over.
beta-nol is unusual. It should not be thought of as alpha-nol. My
initial impressions of b-nol was that it is a social communication -mone as opposed to a mate selection -mone.
The first single blind test was in a medium sized group attending a lecture. They weren\'t aware that -mones
would be present.
The mix was b-nol and androsterone. I\'ve had years of experience with androsterone. It tends
to behave like a \"confirming\" messenger. It solidifies and consolidates the effects of the primary message.
A
nice waft of b-nol with androsterone was released into the room. As the vapor dispersed there was a wave of response
througout the hall. The atendees became highly communicative with each other and deeply engrossed in their
conversations. I would subjectively think that it caused people to find others more interesting or find value in the
observations and opinions of other persons.
There was no discernable erotic of DIHL edge although a number of
the participants did appear to experience some surprise at the level of ease and comfort they had in relating to
dissimilar personalities.
The effect reached a distinct peak about 45 minutes after release and then subsided to
a generalized state of openminded communication for the remainder of the evening.
conclusions: b-nol is potent.
b-nol accelerates communication. b-nol in combination with other mones may have powerful unexpected effects.
I
did try one brief experiment where I took a deep inhalation of concentrated b-nol, then a deep inhalation of
concentrated \"a-1\" (androstadienone) and found the mixture to be seriously erotic. Orgasm was a full body-mind
experience, a \"keeper\" with full synesthetic everything wide open mentals.
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Pardon me if I begin this thread over.
beta-nol
is unusual. It should not be thought of as alpha-nol. My initial impressions of b-nol was that it is a social
communication -mone as opposed to a mate selection -mone.
The first single blind test was in a medium sized
group attending a lecture. They weren\'t aware that -mones would be present.
The mix was b-nol and
androsterone. I\'ve had years of experience with androsterone. It tends to behave like a \"confirming\"
messenger. It solidifies and consolidates the effects of the primary message.
A nice waft of b-nol with
androsterone was released into the room. As the vapor dispersed there was a wave of response througout the hall. The
atendees became highly communicative with each other and deeply engrossed in their conversations. I would
subjectively think that it caused people to find others more interesting or find value in the observations and
opinions of other persons.
There was no discernable erotic of DIHL edge although a number of the participants
did appear to experience some surprise at the level of ease and comfort they had in relating to dissimilar
personalities.
The effect reached a distinct peak about 45 minutes after release and then subsided to a
generalized state of openminded communication for the remainder of the evening.
conclusions: b-nol is potent.
b-nol accelerates communication. b-nol in combination with other mones may have powerful unexpected effects.
I
did try one brief experiment where I took a deep inhalation of concentrated b-nol, then a deep inhalation of
concentrated \"a-1\" (androstadienone) and found the mixture to be seriously erotic. Orgasm was a full body-mind
experience, a \"keeper\" with full synesthetic everything wide open mentals.
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Wow surfs up. Have you conducted any other trials like that one with other pheromones?
Sunny
04-20-2004, 09:35 AM
surfs_up, could you give us more details on how you conducted the experiment:
How did you release
the pheromones? Did the \'subjects\' notice it? Did you cover with a scent? Could you describe all those
technical details please?
I am very interested in this. I have experimented with appplying pheromones to chairs
in seminar rooms, but results were inconclusive because I did not have a good baseline. It is really best to release
the pheromones in the middle of a session - but how do you do this?
How much product did you use? What was the
size, shape, hight of the room, how far were the closest and furthest people away?
So many questions... thank you
in advance for your reply!
Sunny
DrSmellThis
04-20-2004, 09:43 AM
Bel should have fun with this one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
EvilChemist
04-20-2004, 10:36 AM
Nice experiment! What ratio of b-nol and rone did you use?
surfs_up
04-20-2004, 11:21 AM
the b-nol to anrosterone were about 1:1. I shouldn\'t reveal the exact method of dispersal other than
to say noone was aware of it. The scent was mild by musky -none standards.
The room itself was about 36,000 cubic
feet, about 40\' x 60\'
give or take 20%.
The timing of the effect was unmistakable. There were some offhand
comments by others about the social intensity. They attributed it to good team spirit.
This is unlike alpha-nol
as alpha-nol seems to make the recipients quieter in a group setting, distinctly more intimate. When a decent cloud
of alpha-nol has been released in noisy restauants there will be a clearly marked shift in the quality of the group
energy from loud babble to a close murmer. The fractal dimension of group conversations will easily distinguish an
alpha-nol crowd. The voices are much more carefully modulated and the range of volume, competition to be heard or
assert social dominance ?, is lessened. With beta-nol the recipients may be come somewhat louder and more
boisterous, although this seems to be more realted to social confidence in the sense of group acceptance.
In
contrast with this, an experiment was performed in another crowded restaurant with pure androstenone. Within 45
minutes the roar had become so loud people were literally screaming over each other to be heard. The sound pressure
reached such an intensity that some of the waiters appeared to become disoriented.
alpha-nol moves to
\"emotional fusion\", beta-nol to group acceptance, androstenone to social dominance competition, said on the
basis of larger groups where there was frequently ethanol-brain interaction as well.
Some unusual behaviors have
been observed with cannabis-pheromone interaction which are distinct from ethanol-pheromone interactions.
A
psychological aside. A neurotic personality was observed to exhibit lowered neurotocism, defensiveness, and self
criticism in the presence of strong pheromonal cloud.
Sunny
04-20-2004, 11:36 AM
surfs_up, you really have something to say! You have earned my sincere respect!
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I shouldn\'t reveal the exact method of dispersal
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
My guess is
A/C or ventilation system.
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Some unusual
behaviors have been observed with cannabis-pheromone interaction which are distinct from ethanol-pheromone
interactions.
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Can you give us more information on this? What
effect did alcohol have with which pheromones, in contrast, what effect did cannabis have with which
pheromones?
Thank you!!!
Sunny
DrSmellThis
04-20-2004, 11:38 AM
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Some unusual behaviors have been
observed with cannabis-pheromone interaction which are distinct from ethanol-pheromone interactions.
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...Those being?
Galliss
04-20-2004, 11:43 AM
Wow. Where have you been all this time.
Are your investigations private or are they published
somewhere?
Anyway thanks a lot for sharing your observations with us!
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Wow. Where have you been all this time.
Are your
investigations private or are they published somewhere?
Anyway thanks a lot for sharing your observations with
us!
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Ditto. Please stick around, all of your posts have been
fabulous!
This is very interesting SU thanks for sharing and thanks for the feedback on b-nol it´s very useful indeed.
Definetely one to try imo
CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
surfs_up
04-20-2004, 02:29 PM
to answer both questions, the brain consists of multiple nested feedback regulatory loops among other
things. Pheromones may, probably do, adjust specific settings on social-behavioral loops. Normally, if one extends
to the edge of familiar behavior, \"this is who I am, this is how I behave, under these circumstances\" one will
activate inhibitory synapses that essentailly say, \"enough, now don\'t go any further\". The -mone is the
organism\'s way of saying, \"the context has changed\", thus with -mones at work, the brain forms novel
appropriateness connections, \"these responses are now appropriate under these circumstances, even if they
weren\'t before\". Fortunately for the majority of us, there is a frontal cortex that watches over this
pre-verbal limbic mind behavioral direction and takes note if things are getting out of hand. It sort of cuts in
with a voice over and says \"now Billy, I\'m not sure if it is appropriate for you to be sucking on her nipple in
full view of the other patrons at this bar even if we\'ve had a lot to drink tonight, you might have plenty of
explaining to do to your friends and your friends parents in the coming days and that might be a bad thing\" so you
wisely take your sex fantasy and tone it down a little before you make a hopeless fool of yourself. Good thing to
have in working order, the frontal lobes.
However, when you indulge in intoxicants that depress the frontal
lobes\' behavioral monitoring system, one that essentially reviews your fantasies for contextual appropriateness
before it hands them off to the parts of your brain that execute them in reality, well, some, errrrrr, spontaneous
behaviors might occur.
EtOH acts as a more generalized depressant to the CNS, so the horse runs out of the barn
or the dog slips his leash easily and you\'ve got to depend on how finely organized your mesolimbic system is to
get you through the next several hours.
If you\'ve been adventurous enough to add a substantial load of
-mones, the brain will easily assume new contexts and initiate behaviors accordingly, which can range from the
sublime to the mortifying. Have you ever witnessed certain types morphing into world class assholes when they\'ve
had to much to drink ? Are you sure you want to encourage competitive social dominance behaviors at a time like that
? Or perhaps reveal your most personal matters to a stranger without realizing what you\'ve done ?
However,
in moderation, with persons you know well, and have an emotionally secure relation of one kind or another, you could
also possibly experience a candor that verges on the transcendent.
Cannabinoids present a more difficult
scenario, as they elicit highly inconsistent responses from user to user. The results will be highly contingent on
mindset, setting, the ratios of cannabinol, cannabidol, and their isomers, where females present are in their
menstrual cycles, and many other factors.
My one concrete observation was an unblinded event. All present
knowingly inhaled concentrated pheromones from a dispenser. Some EtOH was consumed and strong sensemilla cannabis
was smoked.
The mood became trancy, hypnotic, and erotically charged. Participants who were normally
erotically inhibited revealed sides of their personalities that were generally unknown to their friends. In one
case, a brother and sister who attended many social gatherings together more or less allowed it to be known that
they were an incestuous couple. It isn\'t my place to judge whether such couplings are right or not, although I
suspect they are more common than generally assumed. They may not have been entirely happy that this private fact
had been shown, unedited, to their social group when they later reflected on that evening. However, a psychologist
may have noted that they had a longstanding need to declare their relationship, and this moment gave them the needed
sense of confidence to publicly express it, and those who could accept them would accept them, those who
couldn\'t, perhaps they didn\'t want as friends in the first place.
As you may easily see, one may go from
the most superficial toying with consciousness into very deep waters indeed. Just make sure you are prepared before
you undertake a journey into the unknown.
Mtnjim
04-20-2004, 02:54 PM
Hey Surf,
You\'re pretty good with the \"big words\"
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what\'s your background??
EvilChemist
04-20-2004, 05:35 PM
Hook, line and sinker. I will definitely be playing with some beta-nol in the near future.
Sagacious1420
04-22-2004, 04:53 AM
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Pardon me if I begin this thread
over.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
beta-nol is unusual. It should not be thought of as alpha-nol.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Agreed! </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
My
initial impressions of b-nol was that it is a social communication -mone as opposed to a mate selection
-mone.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I\'m curious about how you came to this conclusion. I believe
them both to be social communication mones, but each acts in a unique way. Is there some research that you could
refer to that would allow us the opportunity to understand A-nol in a different way than we\'ve become accustomed
to? It has been my experience, and to my understandnng to those w/ extensive expereince, that A-nol elicits a very
communicative response in ppl. B-nol seems to elicit a response that is also communicative, but more in the sense
of ppl divulging very personal info. That is, w/ A-nol ppl talk a lot in the general sense, but w/ B-nol ppl talk
w/ intent. IIRC DST mentioned that A-nol causes a more neurotic type of chattiness or they\'ll just talk for the
sake of talking, regardless of content. I tend to agree w/ this take on A-nol. However, w/ B-nol ppl aren\'t
nearly as verbose, but will feel comfortable enough to tell you very personal things. If I could only count how
many time ppl have said things like \"I can\'t believe I just told you that\" w/ B-nol. Very seldom w/
A-nol.
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The first single blind test was in a
medium sized group attending a lecture. They weren\'t aware that -mones would be present.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Was this part of an academic or private research project or merely your own
\"experiment\" outside of \"standard\" research parameters. Not that it has no validity if it were your own
\"personal\" project, but it would be great to peruse your hypthesis, method, data and means of statistical
interpretation to more fully understand your conclusions. This is merely from the perspective of the intently
curious. I\'m sure that there are many here who appreciate real world \"field testing\" just as much as tightly
controlled academic results. I mean, come on ppl how many times have we heard that none is bad and yet discovered
it\'s merits in the real world, right?
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The
mix was b-nol and androsterone. I\'ve had years of experience with androsterone. It tends to behave like a
\"confirming\" messenger. It solidifies and consolidates the effects of the primary message.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">So have you tested B-nol only and Rone only, in order to differetiate the two?
Have you tried A-nol only and Rone only, in order to dofferetinate the two? The reason I ask is that this raises
many understandable questions. Is it just the B-nol or the Rone/B-nol combo? Have you tried this w/ A-nol/Rone?
Have you tried this w/ just B-nol? Just A-nol? Just Rone? Would you be willing to delineate your years of Rone
\"research\" and your findings thus far?
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A
nice waft of b-nol with androsterone was released into the room. As the vapor dispersed there was a wave of response
througout the hall. The atendees became highly communicative with each other and deeply engrossed in their
conversations. I would subjectively think that it caused people to find others more interesting or find value in the
observations and opinions of other persons.
There was no discernable erotic of DIHL edge although a number
of the participants did appear to experience some surprise at the level of ease and comfort they had in relating to
dissimilar personalities.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">To find ppl very comfortable and
\"engrossed\" in convo doesn\'t seem unusual for B-nol, based on my experiences. Perhaps you can attest to
there being a different quality in commincation w/ regard to B-nol and A-nol...as I\'ve described
above.
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The effect reached a distinct peak
about 45 minutes after release and then subsided to a generalized state of openminded communication for the
remainder of the evening.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">What criteria would you use to describe this
\"peak\"? Was it actually a \"peak\" or simply that it took about 45 minutes to reach full effectiveness...that
is, it took that much time to achieve a plateau of effectiveness.?
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conclusions: b-nol is potent. b-nol accelerates communication. b-nol in
combination with other mones may have powerful unexpected effects.
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class=\"post\">I\'m a bit cofuse by this statement. Could you clarify \"b-nol accelerates
communication\"?
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I did try one brief
experiment where I took a deep inhalation of concentrated b-nol, then a deep inhalation of concentrated \"a-1\"
(androstadienone) and found the mixture to be seriously erotic. Orgasm was a full body-mind experience, a
\"keeper\" with full synesthetic everything wide open mentals.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">Curious...did this involve a sexual experience w/ someone else or merely your own autoerotic
experience?
surfs_up
04-22-2004, 05:39 AM
I fully appreciate the distinction between soft and hard science. Depending on the subject,
difficulties in quantification, means of establishing controls and baselines, etc. there is frequently a trajectory
from the anectodal, where events are noticed but poorly understood, then reports are checked, rough experimentation
is done to ascertain whether the phenomenon in question is worth the costs of formal experimentaion and
validation.
In my own thinking this is clearly at the soft science phase. Try something, observe, modify, try
another thing, observe until general parameters emerge.
Beta-nol is quite new to me. I\'ve been around
alpha-nol for years now and have formed some generalizations about the function of alpha-nol. However, these
generalizations are contingent on my circumstances, the personality styles of the people I choose to be with, and
other factors. Or, as Neils Bohr said, \"a physicist is an atom\'s way of looking at itself\". In our example,
the observer, me, has chosen \"audiences\" whose response may be idiosyncratic. Therefore, one has to begin with
the assumption that understanding a substance that modifies social responses will only be knowable through changes
in self-other relations, and these are intrinsically personal in nature.
If 30 of us try these and return with
their reports, we compare them for similarity, we are moving towards hard science, although we still aren\'t
exactly there. We\'re only moving towards \"observer independence\".
I report back in good faith. This is the
best I can do. I used x-mone and I saw, heard, felt those responses.
Anyway, there a long day ahead of me and a
deadline to meet, I will try to respond to your questions in more satisfying detail as time permits.
Sexyredhead
04-22-2004, 11:57 AM
Has anyone tried a-nol with b-nol? And what amounts of b-nol are you finding most effective?
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Has anyone tried a-nol with b-nol? And what amounts
of b-nol are you finding most effective?
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I remember someone
saying that combo was better than anol alone.......did u buy b-nol?
If so, how has it been for you?
DrSmellThis
04-22-2004, 12:49 PM
One seems to enhance the other, but I\'m not sure. The beta might turn the chattiness into more of a
friendliness.
Sexyredhead
04-22-2004, 01:07 PM
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Has anyone tried a-nol with b-nol? And what amounts of b-nol are you finding
most effective?
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I remember someone saying that combo was better
than anol alone.......did u buy b-nol?
If so, how has it been for you?
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I caved and decided to try it. Haven\'t gotten it yet though. Just wondering what dosage
everyone was using.
Sexyredhead
04-22-2004, 01:10 PM
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One seems to enhance the other, but
I\'m not sure. The beta might turn the chattiness into more of a friendliness.
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Have you used the two together, DST?
DrSmellThis
04-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Yep, for about a week.
SRH -
Have you thought about buying CS Rone or did you get that with your b-nol?
Sexyredhead
04-22-2004, 02:46 PM
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SRH -
Have you thought about buying
CS Rone or did you get that with your b-nol?
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Nope. Just got the
beta-nol. I have two almost full bottles of AEw. Maybe when I run out I will get some CS -rone. I\'m thinking I
might add a little b-nol to the AEw.
DST, what has your experience been with b-nol and a combo of b-nol and
a-nol?
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Nope. Just got the beta-nol. I have two almost
full bottles of AEw. Maybe when I run out I will get some CS -rone. I\'m thinking I might add a little b-nol to
the AEw.
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Now that you have had quite some time to try AE/w, what
do you think?
Also, do you still have to avoid it during your period?
Sexyredhead
04-23-2004, 04:16 AM
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Nope. Just got the beta-nol. I have two almost full bottles of AEw. Maybe
when I run out I will get some CS -rone. I\'m thinking I might add a little b-nol to the AEw.
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Now that you have had quite some time to try AE/w, what do you
think?
Also, do you still have to avoid it during your period?
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AEw and EW has consistently been my fave combo. And no, I\'m not avoiding it during TOM. The
only time I avoid it for unscented SOE is when I\'m feeling a little grouchy during PMS, so that\'s for one day.
Otherwise it still makes me feel great. Strangely enough, the unscented SOE doesn\'t seem to work for me as well
as the scented. Maybe the scent was part of the reason I loved it so.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif But even the scented doesn\'t do for me what AEw does for me.
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Nope. Just
got the beta-nol. I have two almost full bottles of AEw. Maybe when I run out I will get some CS -rone. I\'m
thinking I might add a little b-nol to the AEw.
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Now that you
have had quite some time to try AE/w, what do you think?
Also, do you still have to avoid it during your period?
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AEw and EW has consistently been my fave combo. And no, I\'m not
avoiding it during TOM. The only time I avoid it for unscented SOE is when I\'m feeling a little grouchy during
PMS, so that\'s for one day. Otherwise it still makes me feel great. Strangely enough, the unscented SOE
doesn\'t seem to work for me as well as the scented. Maybe the scent was part of the reason I loved it so.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif But even the scented doesn\'t do for me what AEw does for me.
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You know, someone else just said that about unscented soe,
doesnt work as well.
What have unscented SOE users found, is SOE unscented as effective or not as effective as
the scented version? Please let us know, I myself have been contemplating purchasing the unscented for a while
now.
Sexyredhead
04-23-2004, 04:24 AM
Caveat: I\'ve only used the unscented SOE a couple of times, and it doesn\'t make ME feel as good
as I remember the regular SOE making me feel. I\'ve been mostely sticking to AEw/EW, so further testing may change
my opinion of how it works on others.
oscar
04-23-2004, 06:51 AM
Sexyredhead and bjf,
I\'ve been using the unscented SOE gels recently and can\'t say that I\'ve noticed
any less effect from them (on either myself or others) than when I\'ve used the scented version.
I do however,
always use a carrier fragrance with it.
As pleasant smelling as u/SOE is, it doesn\'t require the use of a cover
scent as do the A-None products, but I\'m of the opinion that providing a pleasant carrier fragrance for it as a
vehicle for the pheromones gives the subjects (both targets and wearer) an incentive to inhale more deeply and/or
frequently thus providing a greater \"delivered dose\", and presumably as a consequence, a more noticable
effect.
I can see where in certain situations it would be advisable to take advantage of u/SOE\'s stealth and
NOT accompany it with a fragrance, but in the \"science of attraction\" arena as well as in the \"self mood
enhancement\" department I believe you\'ll get more/better results by dressing it up with an agreeable scent.
Are you using it with a fragrance?
Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Sexyredhead and bjf,
I\'ve been using the
unscented SOE gels recently and can\'t say that I\'ve noticed any less effect from them (on either myself or
others) than when I\'ve used the scented version.
I do however, always use a carrier fragrance with it.
As
pleasant smelling as u/SOE is, it doesn\'t require the use of a cover scent as do the A-None products, but I\'m
of the opinion that providing a pleasant carrier fragrance for it as a vehicle for the pheromones gives the subjects
(both targets and wearer) an incentive to inhale more deeply and/or frequently thus providing a greater \"delivered
dose\", and presumably as a consequence, a more noticable effect.
I can see where in certain situations it would
be advisable to take advantage of u/SOE\'s stealth and NOT accompany it with a fragrance, but in the \"science of
attraction\" arena as well as in the \"self mood enhancement\" department I believe you\'ll get more/better
results by dressing it up with an agreeable scent.
Are you using it with a fragrance?
Oscar
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Thanks
Oscar. I think adding a fragrance to it is a good idea. Something that accompanies pheromones, but unlike
pheromones work at a concious level, would seem to make it easier for people to figure out who the hell is making
them so damn happy or horny (just follow the scent).
Good think about unscented soe is that you don\'t run into
the clashing or overpower scent problem that comes up when mixing.
Visionary
04-30-2004, 07:46 PM
Hi guys and especially to those who have tried Beta-Nol,
I really like SOE/m but the problem for me
is that it can make me depressed the day after I apply it as the Nol converts to None. What im wondering is does
Beta-Nol actually convert to the same pheromone (Androstenone) as Alpha-Nol?
On me SOE/m makes me feel happy,
relaxed, euphoric and tired at times, and a bit silly and overtalkative. Given that Beta-Nol seems to elicit (from
user reports) a less \'neurotic\' form of chattiness and maybe more friendliness, how would u characterise the
difference between it and WAGG in terms of effects on the user?
Thanks,
Visionary
Sagacious1420
05-02-2004, 07:46 PM
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Has anyone tried a-nol with b-nol? And
what amounts of b-nol are you finding most effective?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Yes. I\'ve
been working w/ them for several months now and have tried varying ratios. I get the best results from 1:1. A-nol
elicits a response best described as \"neurotic\" chattiness. B-nol encourages increased comfort/relaxation. The
combo of the two reminds me a great deal of the WAGG effect...that is, ppl are often surprised at the personal info
that they\'ll reveal about themselves. A tiny dash of WAGG can accentuate this effect even more. However, I
don\'t find that the nol combo can counter the effectiveness of none as WAGG does. That is, if I use equal parts
of WAGG and none, then the influence of the none is lost and yet I can use a greater proportion of the combined nols
than none w/out losing the none effect.
Sagacious1420
05-02-2004, 08:05 PM
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SRH -
Have you thought about buying CS Rone or did you get that with
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Nope. Just got the beta-nol. I have two almost
full bottles of AEw. Maybe when I run out I will get some CS -rone. I\'m thinking I might add a little b-nol to
the AEw.
DST, what has your experience been with b-nol and a combo of b-nol and a-nol?
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SRH
Hope this helps (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=119915&Forum=A l
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Btw, 3 a-nol:2 b-nol seems to work better than 2 a-nol:1 b-nol.
At 2:1 you get more of the \"neurotic\" reaction than w/ 3:2 or at least that\'s been my experience so far. I
haven\'t had as much time to test the 3:2 ratio (just over a month or so) as the 2:1 ratio, so I don\'t know
that I\'m prepared to draw a final conclusion just yet. However, so far I prefer 3:2 vs. 2:1 and 1:1 still seems
the best.
Sexyredhead
05-03-2004, 04:39 AM
It\'s great to have you back! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks, Sag. I was
thinking that was part of the -rone combo too. Good to know. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
So how many drops are you wearing? A drop of a-nol and a drop of b-nol, or do you just mix the two and dab a few
times?
Sagacious1420
05-03-2004, 06:29 AM
Thanks SRH. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I premix my pheros and dilute by 1/2
w/ cologne. I keep my mix in an L-S atomizer and use 1-3 sprays depending on the situation. I often carry a small
amount of my mix in a one dram cologne sample vial in case I feel that I need a minor dosage adjustment.
Were
you thinking of premixing some b-nol w/ your AEw? I suppose you could determine the amount of a-nol in your usual
AEw dosage and then how many dabs of b-nol would match the a-nol from your AEw for a 1:1 ratio.
Sexyredhead
05-03-2004, 08:31 AM
Actually, I was thinking of mixing a little vial of 1:1 a-nol/b-nol, and then dabbing it on in addition
to the AEw that I generally mix with body oil these days. I don\'t smell the AEw as strongly with the body oil,
but I feel like I get more general coverage that way.
Sagacious1420
05-03-2004, 09:28 AM
Sounds good.
If you need a hand w/ your body oil application just let me know.
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05-03-2004, 09:41 AM
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Sounds good.
If you need a hand w/
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Tiger4
12-18-2005, 12:41 AM
Has anyone
tried a-nol with b-nol? And what amounts of b-nol are you finding most effective?
This is a belated
reply, but I've discovered that a-nol with b-nol is a good combination. In my log book, I wrote that I used 4 drops
of b-nol and 4 drops of a-nol on a certain date and remember some interesting experiences. I forgot that I was
wearing pheromones that day because I was under a lot of stress. I remember at least three experiences with women
that seemed a little unusual. I seemed to put one woman (33) in some sort of a daze. When I was talking to her, she
looked like I had her under some sort of spell. Her body really relaxed and went limp and she started breathing
through her mouth. I'll never forget how her eyes looked. There was this other woman (late or mid twenties) where I
could tell that she was getting turned on sexually. Her eyes started to show intense interest in me and her face
relaxed with the charactistic flat appearance and her breasts looked like they were about to pop out of her shirt,
because they got much larger. Another younger woman (early twenties) looked at me in awe with her eyes showing
interest and breathing through her mouth. If I were a betting man, I'd say her respiration was increasing. That's
what usually happens where they start breathing though their mouth isn't it?
The Beta-nol/Alpha-nol combination
is underated. Not only this combo, but there are several more seemingly mudane products and combos that are just as
potent.
Tiger4
12-18-2005, 12:55 AM
I mixed 3 or 4ml of Rochas cologne with 1ml of Beta-nol and have noticed an unusual residue in the atomizer. When
I shake it up, it gets very cloudy. I've made similar mixtures with NPA and there is no residue nor any
cloudiness. Can anyone explain to me why this is the case?
Visionary7903
12-18-2005, 01:22 AM
The
Beta-nol/Alpha-nol combination is underated. Not only this combo, but there are several more seemingly mudane
products and combos that are just as potent.
Hey Tiger4
Yea I agree.
Do you find Alpha-Nol from
the Chem-Set to give different results to SOE?
What are some other combinations that work well with Beta-Nol for
you (give ratios and application amounts please)?
Also, have you experimented with any other 'comfort' mones
such as Androstadienol?
Visionary
Tiger4
12-18-2005, 11:09 PM
Hey Tiger4
Yea I agree.
Do you find Alpha-Nol from the Chem-Set to give different results to SOE?
What are some
other combinations that work well with Beta-Nol for you (give ratios and application amounts please)?
Also, have
you experimented with any other 'comfort' mones such as Androstadienol?
Visionary
I don't have
the chem set Alpha-nol but the musk with androstenol that came with the beta-nol. The nol in SOE works fine. I'm
sure there are several combinations that work with beta-nol, but I haven't been in good situations to try them.
Androstadienol works fine alone or with either nol. I've experimented with it and will continue to experiment
with it.
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