HELP: 1 girl BIG hit, 100 girls NO reaction

[jebner]

Yesterday I went to my favourite disco with some of my mates. It\'s one of these discos with a lot of

different bars where you walk around a lot.

I applied about 1/5 of a scented SOE gel pack and a drop of JB#1. You

know, I prefer smaller doses as these have worked best for me. It was a nice evening, but there were simply no

reactions to the pheros. I passed by at least 100 girls and talked to some of them but there were simply NO

reactions. No smiles, no glances, nothing.

Then after some time we decided to get another beer, went towards a

bar and then out of the blue a girl I passed by grabbed me and told me I should stay with her (smiling). Definitely

a hit - no doubt. She was really good looking and I\'ve never seen her before. Something like that usually never

happens to me.

We had a nice conversation and I got her digits but then she had to leave. After that I walked

around again and again absolutely no reactions from a lot of girls in my phero range. So I applied more JB#1 but

even then not one small reaction during the rest of the night.

Another evening (earlier) in the same disco I was

wearing SOE Gel with 2 dabs of TE. The whole evening no reactions from hundreds of girls passing by. Suddenly a girl

I\'ve never seen before comes up and hugs me from behind. It was another clear hit. Rest of this evening: Again,

nothing.

You know, this happened to me quite often: Absolutely no reaction from hundreds of girls and a big hit

from one special girl. I really don\'t understand this. How does it come that almost all of the girls are not at

all influenced by the pheros but then one girl is influenced that much that she grabs/hugs me and strikes up a

conversation herself? What makes the difference?

These exceptions show me that pheros in fact do work. But for me

they don\'t work like they are expected to.

Some of you reported these amazing disco stories (respect from all

the guys, guys go out of your way when you want to walk through the crowd, looks and smiles from most of the girls,

a lot of sexual hits the whole night and so on). I have not experienced this. What makes the difference? You know I

don\'t want to be treated like a rock star. But what I am looking for are more constant reactions from a bigger

part of the girls.

[koolking1]

I think what is happening to you is fairly commmon. I know it\'s happened to me like that in non-bar

venues.

[pico]

I\'ve found that in bars and clubs, a mild OD is best. Perhaps the girl that you do get a hit with is

particularly good at detecting pheromones. Some girls react more than others to pheromones.

[ToBeOrNotToBe]

Indeed. When clubbing, perhaps you should try higher mone dosages... Remember that it\'s

harder to detect the mones in environments like a disco!

[EXIT63]

How many do you need? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[pico]

it\'ll be nice to have a choice wouldn\'t it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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[bjf]

It is wierd when that happens isn\'t it. Yes, some people have a talent for detecting

pheromones.

I am surprised that you didn\'t start to get better results when you added more, but in any case,

any club environment there will be a lot of people wearing perfume and cologne and usually poor circulation with out

alot of fresh air. The air is thick, and there is all of that olfactory stimulation going on, making it harder for

someone to detect or localize your pheromones, apparently even when you are standing right in front of them, as

wierd as that sounds.

I\'ve had the same experiences as you, and probably most people on the board have to,

though in my case it was usually when wearing too much, not too little.

[jebner]

I know that a higher dose maybe would get me better results. The problem is that I have trouble

covering up the -none. Usually I\'m always going out with the same guys because I don\'t want to drive

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif and for them that\'s no problem. BTW these guys don\'t know

about pheros and I really don\'t want to tell them. But most of them can sense very small amounts of -none even

when covered. Unfortunately I cannot smell -none at all. For example once we decided to go to a bar and I was

wearing only 1 small drop of TE covered with 1/3 SOE gel pack. When I got into the car they asked my if a cat had

pissed on me. They told me that I stunk like a skunk (no pun intended). And yes, I have taken a shower before

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So if I\'d wear say 1 or 2 sprays of TE like most of you

recommend for clubbing, I\'m sure they\'d kill me!

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If you consider that girls are said to be even a lot

better at smelling -none you might come to the conclusion that it is almost impossible to cover concentrated -none

products like NPA and TE completely. So you can imagine that I\'m not really enjoying myself when I am wearing

concentrated stuff.

But let\'s get back to the topic: As bjf said it\'s confusing that despite adding

more JB#1 (doubled the dose) there were no more reactions.

A question to those who are good at smelling

-none: How much average concentrated cologne to you have to wear to cover one spray of TE? (the repelling scent of

-none should no more be detectable)

Don\'t you get any negative reactions from people in clubs when you

wear a lot -none (near OD level)? How do the girls react? Don\'t they smell the stinky -none?

[pico]

Try 3-4 dabs JB#1 with 4 drops AE.

In both cases, it\'s hard to detect the none. You could wear

some cologne as well on top of this.

Its strange that they can smell the none so easily. It\'s a lot harder to

detect frangrances/smells in bars/clubs anyway.

Yes, I do get negative reactions when wearing too much none, but

only if I OD. Other than that, girls have never mentioned a bad smell at all, but then I do wear 3 sprays of EDT as

well when going out to clubs.

[Friendly1]

Wearing pheromones doesn\'t guarantee hits. It heightens your visibility on the radar screen. There

could have been any number of reasons for why you didn\'t see many reactions.

[ironration]

Jebner, do you get hits when not wearing pheromones?

I mean one hit in several 100s girls seems to

happen to most guys without using pheromone products.

[tounge]

Well said.

[DrSmellThis]

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Yeah, that was a nice post... all things to consider, anyway.

[jebner]

First let me thank you for your great input. That\'s a lot of useful information.

To answer

ironrotations question: Yes, I do get hits but when not wearing pheromones but it\'s always me that has to walk up

to to girls and it\'s me that has to start the conversation. When wearing pheromones it\'s different. Then

SOMETIMES the girls walk up to me. But that\'s the exception. Usually it\'s still me that has to get

active.

What confuses me:
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Let\'s distinguish between 3 \"levels\" of

phero-attraction:

Level 1 - no visible attraction, neutral behaviour, girls act like you weren\'t wearing

pheros, or they just don\'t like you

Level 2 - minor hits like smiling, looks, DIHL and other signs of

attraction (body language), ... you see that pheros are working (or she just likes your looks and behaviour) but

it\'s still up to you to get active

Level 3 - major hits: the girl is attracted to you that much that she

decides to get active because she really wants you and doesn\'t want to miss that chance; she walks up to you and

starts to seduce you.

From my experience girls have to be very attracted to you to start a conversation

themselves. Even if they are attracted to you they usually just flirt and signal that they like you and that it

would be nice if you\'d walk up to them. That means that in most of the cases they\'re on level 2. For the girls

its more convenient to do it that way because it\'s still up to you to do the \"seduction work\". It\'s like

\"you want something from me so you have to get active\".

I\'ve been reading hit stories in this forum

for nearly 2 years. Basically there are 2 different hit schemes:

Scheme A: Girl in phero range shows signs of

attraction, phero user walks up to the girl and seals the deal.

Scheme B: Phero user sees a girl that he\'s

attracted to (usually this girl has better looks than the phero user). First this girl doesn\'t show signs of

attraction. However, he tries to seduce her and in a lot of cases he is successful because phero gave him the

edge.

That\'s how it works for most of you.

Let me give you some information about me: I\'m 20 but

I look like 18-19, I\'d rate myself average to slightly above average looking (maybe 6 out of 10), a bit skinny,

casual clothes, I\'m very friendly, a bit shy but I have no problems talking to girls. If I see a girls that I

feel attracted to I sometimes start the conversation.

Now here\'s how it works for me:
I NEVER get level

2 minor hits that can be attributed to pheros. It\'s just like if I wasn\'t wearing them. Of course sometimes a

girl is flirty but without pheros it\'s exactly the same.

I only get level 3 major hits (but very seldom):

Once in a while I get major hits where girls walk up to me without former signs of attraction. They\'re very

attracted to me. I don\'t know how to explain that best .... they just act like they\'re in love with me

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif In these cases it\'s of course very easy for me to seal the

deal.

Conclusion:
So from what I have read in this forum most of you report level 2 signs of attraction

in most of the cases, whereas instant major hits are the exception.

What I have experienced is completely

different. The only thing that proves to me that pheros really do work are the major hits that I sometimes get.

Without pheros I never get these major hits. No level 2 signs of attraction that can be attributed to

pheros.

I don\'t expect from you to have an explanation for this. But it\'s really confusing, isn\'t

it?

[DrSmellThis]

YOu might try wearing things besides -none. Maybe -none isn\'t your chemical. You are at the age

where you are producing lots on your own. Later, you could try adding it back when you got good at wearing WAGG,

-nol (or even V5), etc.

[Friendly1]

I think the three levels of hits is way too simplistic. Women will initiate contact with men without

saying a word. They will also freeze up and act like they are totally uninterested (from the guy\'s perspective)

because they are so excited or interested they are afraid they\'ll lose control (embarrass themselves).

In my

experience, hits tend to break out more like this:

1) Repeated looks, sideways glances, staring (not DIHL

staring).

2) Stop in tracks, turning heads, literally uttering things like, \"WOW!\", \"Whoa!\".

3)

Frequent touching, extended touching, rubbing hands against me.

4) Starting conversations (with more touching),

asking any question imaginable, asking for my opinion, etc.

5) Sitting down next to me and rubbing body against

me.

6) Grabbing my butt.

7) Blatant sexual come-ons such as bending over and looking back at me, giving me a

solid breast rub, grabbing at my groin, etc.

These are all hits from women I either don\'t know, barely know,

and pretty much don\'t have anything to do with. That compresses a little less than two years\' worth of

pheromone use into a brief outline of the kinds of hits I\'ve received.

I have had a few DIHL reactions,

probably more than I realize. I am not sure of how to categorize them.

I\'ve also made women I know very well

extremely nervous/excited with ODs. A couple of days ago, one accidentally cut my finger. I didn\'t think I was

wearing that much but she said I was making her nervous, so I must have been screaming on her radar. I do tend to

put on some strong applications.

Typical signs of nervousness include constantly looking down, wet palms,

trembling. These reactions usually happen when I put on too much, obviously, but sometimes I get ready to go to a

club and run into someone before I get there. She then gets the full effect of the aroma intended for the

competition. As I get to know someone better, I try to gauge how much or how little of the pheromones to use around

her. I try to find a comfort zone. I thought I was in that zone the other day with Jenny, but apparently

not.

Good, solid extended hits usually involve lots of bright eye contact, smiling, touching, laughing at almost

anything I say in a teasing fashion, asking questions, etc.

In some of the dance classes I help with, the girls

almost fight with each other to get near me. Part of the reason is that I have been dancing long enough that I am

pretty good. But it\'s obvious the pheromones are working because many of them go into DIHL mode, touch me with

their breasts, have sweaty palms, etc. That doesn\'t happen in every class. I just mean I get a lot of interest

in these classes.

[scentinel]

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The worst think that can happen is for

them to say no

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That\'s just wrong. The worst thing that

could happen, is that she scares herself to death just by the look of you. Then, afterwards, people label you a

freak, a pervert and a child molester. Then you get life for \"murdering\" that girl while all those people in

the bar testify against you.

Well... I suppose it could actually get just a bit worse then that...

[Elana]

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The worst think that can happen is for them to say no

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That\'s just wrong. The worst thing that could happen, is that she

scares herself to death just by the look of you. Then, afterwards, people label you a freak, a pervert and a child

molester. Then you get life for \"murdering\" that girl while all those people in the bar testify against

you.


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Yeah....that would really ruin my day.