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ToBeOrNotToBe

04-15-2004, 01:23 PM

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\"...3 you

are familiar with; 4 are totally new...

Will the new ones be available seperately so we cam \"play\"??

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You\'re asking too much!

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I think he learned that from you

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Excuse me?

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bigdog

04-15-2004, 01:52 PM

There has been talk here

about other possible mones than None, Nol and Rone. I\'m thinking the 3 we know could be these 3. Therefore the

other 4 perhaps are recent discoveries?

Gossamer_2701

04-15-2004, 01:56 PM

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I think he learned that from you

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From you, alright!!! I learned it from watching you!!!
(one of my

favorite PSA\'s) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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ToBeOrNotToBe

04-15-2004, 02:03 PM

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I think he learned that from you

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From you, alright!!! I learned it from watching you!!!
(one of my favorite PSA\'s)

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That\'s an honor!

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By the way, what\'s a PSA?

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bigdog

04-15-2004, 02:08 PM

Public Service

Announcement

Holmes

04-15-2004, 02:20 PM

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From you, alright!!! I learned it from watching you!!!
(one of my favorite

PSA\'s) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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A classic!

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Holmes

Mtnjim

04-15-2004, 03:28 PM

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\"...3 you

are familiar with; 4 are totally new...

Will the new ones be available seperately so we cam \"play\"??

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You\'re asking too much!

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\"Greed is good\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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nbnbtc

04-15-2004, 04:07 PM

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Dudes,

Very soon! Another stupendous product! The one I have been hinting

about for a while now. My life\'s work in fact.

What Doc\'s potion is doing for the ancient art of

natural essential oils, I hope this will do for the science of laboratory created pherochemistry. I have been

hunting this fragrance for about 3 years and it is blended with 7 separate pheromone chemicals (3 you are familiar

with; 4 are totally new).

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heh, I can just picture Bruce sitting

in his crib mixing up scents and potions...whatever this is I\'m sure it will all sell out in two days like the

last one did, you rule Bruce!

DrSmellThis

04-15-2004, 04:09 PM

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Dudes,

Very soon! Another stupendous product!

The one I have been hinting about for a while now. My life\'s work in fact.

What Doc\'s potion is doing

for the ancient art of natural essential oils, I hope this will do for the science of laboratory created

pherochemistry. I have been hunting this fragrance for about 3 years and it is blended with 7 separate pheromone

chemicals (3 you are familiar with; 4 are totally new).

Bruce

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This sounds very exciting indeed! It seems to be a clear and welcome step forward in

pheromonology. Lets get it going!

Congratulations!!

pieroilfiero

04-15-2004, 05:32 PM

where do i put in

an order?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif okok i know the answer, at the website...better

question.. when!

Whitehall

04-15-2004, 11:35 PM

I was lucky to get

a small vial early on to try. In my opinion it is the best, most sophisticated pheromone product yet offered.

My

congratulations to DST and Bruce for bringing this to market.

Max

04-15-2004, 11:52 PM

So, is this

another concoction of DST\'s? It sure didn\'t sound like one.

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DrSmellThis

04-16-2004, 01:56 AM

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I was lucky to get a small vial early on to try.

In my opinion it is the best, most sophisticated pheromone product yet offered.

My congratulations to DST and

Bruce for bringing this to market.

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Well, as we know, Whitehall

rarely makes errors of any sort, but perhaps here he was talking about the other product. (If you were, of course,

extreme thanks would be in order...If not you should know I had nothing to do with Bruce\'s baby -- oops, that

didn\'t sound right! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

It really is remarkable how long

Bruce has be working on putting this one together. This is an exciting time. Perhaps the excitement will continue.

Numanoid

04-16-2004, 04:57 AM

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Dudes,

Very soon! Another stupendous product!

The one I have been hinting about for a while now. My life\'s work in fact.

What Doc\'s potion is doing

for the ancient art of natural essential oils, I hope this will do for the science of laboratory created

pherochemistry. I have been hunting this fragrance for about 3 years and it is blended with 7 separate pheromone

chemicals (3 you are familiar with; 4 are totally new).

Bruce

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Is this another limited supply product or mass produced?

nonscents

04-16-2004, 05:11 AM

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Dudes,

Very soon! Another stupendous product! The one I have been

hinting about for a while now. My life\'s work in fact.

What Doc\'s potion is doing for the ancient art of

natural essential oils, I hope this will do for the science of laboratory created pherochemistry. I have been

hunting this fragrance for about 3 years and it is blended with 7 separate pheromone chemicals (3 you are familiar

with; 4 are totally new).

Bruce

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Is this another limited

supply product or mass produced?

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Can we pay you more money if

you sign the bottle?

jose

04-16-2004, 05:38 AM

I\'ll have to wait a month

or two to get this one since I spend my allowance this month on Pheromones.

Bruce

04-16-2004, 05:58 AM

Where to start?
OK,

Whitehall, I think you are thinking of Pheros. This is a different product. Glad to hear you like Pheros though.

I agree completely.

The new(er) product will be mass produced. I would like to get a hundred bottles together

fairly soon for forum members ala Doc\'s Pheros, but we will be able to switch the machines on and brew up another

hundred on short notice. I would just like to get some feedback from you folks to see if we need to do any tweaking

before going for primetime. Not sure about the signed bottles... Actually, I am not even sure about the name, and

label design is totally up in the air. Hoping to get some ideas from you folks.

Bruce

koolking1

04-16-2004, 06:10 AM

Why not have a

\"naming\" contest - winner to get a free bottle!!!

Jeeves

04-16-2004, 06:17 AM

I\'m in! I suggest

\"Pherocious\". Where\'s my free bottle? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jeeves

bjf

04-16-2004, 06:20 AM

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Where to start?
OK, Whitehall, I think you are thinking of Pheros. This

is a different product. Glad to hear you like Pheros though. I agree completely.

The new(er) product will

be mass produced. I would like to get a hundred bottles together fairly soon for forum members ala Doc\'s Pheros,

but we will be able to switch the machines on and brew up another hundred on short notice. I would just like to get

some feedback from you folks to see if we need to do any tweaking before going for primetime. Not sure about the

signed bottles... Actually, I am not even sure about the name, and label design is totally up in the air. Hoping

to get some ideas from you folks.

Bruce

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I like

KoolKings naming contest idea...say everyone could put down 10 and send in one list. I was thinking about asking

DST about that for his next product.

In any case, is the tweaking related to the scent or is the pheromone

formula not set in stone?

Also, don\'t worry about the name and packing until the official version comes

out. Just be sure to put the beta version in small bottles (5ml) so we can buy the official version soon after i t

is released, and don\'t have to wait forever until the beta version run out.

MysteriousMan

04-16-2004, 07:37 AM

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Why not have a \"naming\" contest - winner to get

a free bottle!!!

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It\'s D&B. Gimme my bottle

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MysteriousMan

jose

04-16-2004, 07:38 AM

I agree about the beta

samples for testing purposes, I feel I need to see if it\'s right for me. Bruce will this product be scented or

unscented?

bigdog

04-16-2004, 07:45 AM

It\'s scented

Whitehall

04-16-2004, 08:02 AM

Indeed,

I was a bit confused there. I have not gotten a sample of Bruce\'s new stuff so I can\'t really comment.

I

will reiterate that DST\'s stuff is a great fragrance.

bundyburger

04-16-2004, 07:10 PM

Would it be best to

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Bruce

04-17-2004, 07:24 AM

Bundy,

That might be a

good idea. I have a tentative name for it already. I like the name but it is based on a certain ethinc groove and

I am not sure if the fragrance fits that or not. So, yeah, I need feedback.

B

Holmes

04-17-2004, 07:26 AM

Samba?

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Holmes

StandingTall

04-17-2004, 08:28 AM

Bruce, is this

something we would be able to get sometime....um...next week? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-17-2004, 11:55 AM

Bruce, it would be

nice if you told the forum members not to order more than 1 \"bottle\" of this first limited edition of the new

product. That way we could avoid what happened with Pheros (some members ordered several bottles and after

experimenting it for just a few days already consider returning them... it doesn\'t make any sense, since there

are many who unfortunately didn\'t get the product).

Max

04-17-2004, 12:17 PM

I second Tobeornottobe\'s

opinion!

Bruce

04-17-2004, 12:21 PM

Holmes,
Nice name, but not

quite the aura this stuff projects I don\'t think. The name I have now is Japanese, but really some other Asian

mystique might be a better match.

I will take a wild stab and say 2 weeks to get the first 100 bottles ready.

Will keep you posted of course.

B

nbnbtc

04-17-2004, 01:47 PM

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Holmes,
Nice name, but not quite the aura this stuff projects I don\'t

think. The name I have now is Japanese, but really some other Asian mystique might be a better match.

I will take

a wild stab and say 2 weeks to get the first 100 bottles ready. Will keep you posted of course.

B

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So it is an oriental scent then?

Icarus

04-17-2004, 03:36 PM

Call it UberStank,

or The Guff.

Are we to understand that there exist a further 4 human pheromones related to possible

arousal? If so (and this product has them) how is one to establish what the effects of each are?

(or am I just

being dumb, and they are like the \'secret ingerdients\' in WAGG - useless on their own, but together...? whoa

momma!)

Actually, I have full faith in the quality of something that has had such time taken over it.

\"In

Bruce we Trust\"

Steve

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-17-2004, 05:29 PM

The 4 items are

totally new...

Ash

04-17-2004, 05:40 PM

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The 4 items are totally new...

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That\'s why it\'s HUGE news Steve, instead of just being BIG news.

I feel COOL

again! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

nbnbtc

04-17-2004, 05:48 PM

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That\'s why it\'s HUGE news Steve, instead of just being BIG news.

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coming soon....AWESOMELY GNARLY, KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF NEWS!!!!!!!

ironration

04-17-2004, 06:25 PM

Bruce, will you

released the name of the currently unknown pheromones, and what their effect are?

Currently I consider any

pheromone product claiming \"secret pheromones\" to be snake oil, until they tell you what they actually contain.

Max

04-17-2004, 09:30 PM

Japanese?? Hummm...sounds

a bit too...y\'know. Lame? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Sacogoo

04-17-2004, 10:15 PM

How about \"Goat Raper

Deluxe Juice\"?

(Yeah, sure discount it initially, but think about the marketing possibilities in the rural

areas.)

hotrocks5

04-17-2004, 10:28 PM

I agree with

ironnation. Lately, it\'s as if we don\'t even know what\'s in any of these new products coming out, like

WAGG, Pheros, or this new product coming out. The new Pheromax formula is even somewhat of a mystery unless you can

read German. Even if we do know what\'s in these new products, we don\'t know how much is in each of them. How

do we know these new things even work? Do you just have four or five forum members test it out and go with their

\"hits?\" For all we know, it could just be a placebo, like a single-blind study or something like that. I just

wish that more time would be taken to see how these products work, how to use them, and what the effects are

supposed to be when used properly. If this information would be made available, I know I would personally feel

better about my purchases. Until we know what these \"secret\" pheromones are, how can we honestly trust that

we\'re getting a proven product and not just some weird oils or funny-smelling ethanol spiked with essential oils?

Hungry

04-17-2004, 10:53 PM

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Until we know what these \"secret\" pheromones are, how can we honestly

trust that we\'re getting a proven product and not just some weird oils or funny-smelling ethanol spiked with

essential oils?

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While I agree to a certain extent, the fact is

there\'s never any guarantee that even a proven product will work for you. Ultimately you have to test it for

yourself anyway, and if you find it doesn\'t do much for you, you can always return it for a refund. There\'s

really very little risk if you\'re buying from LS.

Besides, if it does work for you then who cares what\'s in

it. The only important thing is the results.

Hungry

belgareth

04-18-2004, 04:29 AM

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I agree with ironnation. Lately, it\'s as if we

don\'t even know what\'s in any of these new products coming out, like WAGG, Pheros, or this new product coming

out. The new Pheromax formula is even somewhat of a mystery unless you can read German. Even if we do know

what\'s in these new products, we don\'t know how much is in each of them. How do we know these new things even

work? Do you just have four or five forum members test it out and go with their \"hits?\" For all we know, it

could just be a placebo, like a single-blind study or something like that. I just wish that more time would be

taken to see how these products work, how to use them, and what the effects are supposed to be when used properly.

If this information would be made available, I know I would personally feel better about my purchases. Until we

know what these \"secret\" pheromones are, how can we honestly trust that we\'re getting a proven product and

not just some weird oils or funny-smelling ethanol spiked with essential oils?

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Pheromone research is in it\'s infancy and we are lucky enough to be involved with it

here. How do we know that any of the mones bought here or anywhere else really do what they are purported to do?

I\'ve seen very little on this site that could not be considered a placebo effect and very little has been

demonstrated with good, tightly controlled research. Yet some people on this forum take it as the holy grail. All

the posted hit stories on this forum and any others mean very little in the way of real proof. I\'d like to think

that many, if not most, of the people here are experimenting with mones with the full knowledge that it is

experimental.

That said, if there is a product you don\'t trust, don\'t buy it. Personally, I don\'t

believe Bruce would market a product that he didn\'t honestly believe was useful and effective. But the nice thing

is that as consumers, we are all free to not spend our money on it unless and until we believe it could do something

useful.

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-18-2004, 04:34 AM

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My life\'s work in fact.

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bjf

04-18-2004, 04:34 AM

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Are we to understand that there exist a further 4 human pheromones related to

possible arousal? If so (and this product has them) how is one to establish what the effects of each are?

(or am

I just being dumb, and they are like the \'secret ingerdients\' in WAGG - useless on their own, but together...?

whoa momma!)

<hr /></blockquote>

Steve, this may help a bit:

web page (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=104332&Forum=U B

B5&Words=on%20their%20own%20shotgun&Match=And&Sear chpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=99877&

amp;Search=true#Post104332\")

Bruce

04-18-2004, 09:12 AM

Good points (for the most

part). Where to start?

RE the link in BTF\'s post: The product has developed quite a bit since I made that

post. We now have what I think to be an effective mixture; some elements have been removed from the running. The

ratio is probably a keeper but maybe the beta testing will give us feedback we can use to tweak it further.

RE

\"huge\" in \"Huge news\": I didn\'t mean for that to overshadow the news about Doc\'s product. I just

wanted to jolt open the thread with a bang. Maybe I should have called it \"Large News\" or \"News Bulletin\"

or something. Actually, these two products are not in competition with each other. They are apples and oranges;

two very different breeds that needn\'t be adversaries.

RE \"secret\" ingedients: I appreciate the concern.

Probably most of the pheromone products on the market today which advertise \"secret ingredients\" are indeed

snake oil. Unfotunately, we do not have the funds to patent new ingredients and any significant new item we might

openly include in a product would be snapped up within months and be in common use within a year. Precidence has

proven that to be the case. What we have always done though is publish the exact dry wt. in mg of pheromones in

products we have any influence over. We did that with Edge and we will do that with this new product. In fact,

there will be just over 10 mg of pheromones in each bottle. That you can be sure of, if you can be sure of anything

you read about any of these product including the ones that list the exact ingredients on the label. I mean, hey,

Alter Ego displays the exact amount of each item on the label, but how do you know it isn\'t just a lie?

Personally, I have grown to trust Stone Labs over the years and I would be shocked if I were to find out that that

info wasn\'t accurate. And I imagine that those of you who have been around here for a while know me well

enough to know that we don\'t sell \"snake oil\". As Bel said, I can\'t say exactly what the various

pheromones do. The science is very young, but if I say \"there is 10 mg of pheromones in this bottle and X# of mg

of that is aNONE, y is aNOL and z is aRONE and maybe A is pheromone 201, B is 202, C is 203, and D is 204\" then

you should be able to rest assured that that info is accurate to the best of my knowledge.

Bruce

ironration

04-18-2004, 09:43 AM

Ok, fair answer Bruce.

Is the product made bye you? If so, you must know why you add the pheromones.

Each pheromone should be added for

a reason. There is not much point adding pheromones if no one has a clue what the pheromone is actually good for.

That is like making a cake from random ingredients hoping it will turn out well.

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-18-2004, 09:52 AM

But what kind of

effects can we expect, generally speaking? Is it more like a \"sexual hits\" related product? Is it a more

balanced product, with several types of results, like \"sexual hits\", \"social hits\", \"respect\", etc...?

Ash

04-18-2004, 09:57 AM

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RE \"huge\" in \"Huge news\": I didn\'t mean for that to overshadow the

news about Doc\'s product. I just wanted to jolt open the thread with a bang. Maybe I should have called it

\"Large News\" or \"News Bulletin\" or something. Actually, these two products are not in competition with each

other. They are apples and oranges; two very different breeds that needn\'t be adversaries.

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Nothing wrong with using \"HUGE\" to announce your new product

Bruce. I use HUGE all the time. When I\'m out on my first date with a girl I make sure she knows that Freddy is

HUGE. It wouldn\'t come across the same if I just told her Freddy was LARGE. IMHO it\'s equally deceitful to

under value a product or service. One must give credit where credit is due. Truth in advertising should work both

ways. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

pico

04-18-2004, 11:49 AM

So this new product

contains 4 totally new pheromones?

So we now have:
androstenone
androstenol
androsterone
androstadienone

(A1)
wagg mones
1 lacroy secret pheromone from NPA/m
2 lacroy secret pheromones from

NPA/w
copulins
estrataetranol in men\'s realm
and now:
New pheromone A
New pheromone B
New pheromone C
New

pheromone D

plus isn\'t PF mean\'t to contain pheromones we don\'t know of?

bjf

04-18-2004, 12:23 PM

Don\'t forget Wagg is a

blend of different pheromones....and now maybe we can figure out about ROL. I did a search and it was brought up a

couple of times on the forum before.

Plus, Bruce said some of the pheromones that were too be in the product

were discarded in the mix... I guess it didn\'t work with that blend.

I hope we will have an opportunity to

experiment with those substances, as well as individually with the ones that are included in the new product, but

maybe they are introducing the substances in a mix rather than selling them seperately to prevent someone from

testing the chemicals individually for their composition and stealing the research.

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-18-2004, 01:16 PM

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but maybe they are introducing the substances in a

mix rather than selling them seperately to prevent someone from testing the chemicals individually for its

composition and stealing the research.

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Bang!

DrSmellThis

04-18-2004, 02:37 PM

Don\'t forget

beta-nol and the EW mones! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

pico

04-18-2004, 03:13 PM

ok

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif here\'s the new

list!:

androstenone
alpha-androstenol
beta-androstenol
androsterone
androstadienone (A1)
wagg mones
1

lacroy secret pheromone from NPA/m
2 lacroy secret pheromones from NPA/w
copulins
EW copulins
estrataetranol in

men\'s realm
PF secret mones
New pheromone A
New pheromone B
New pheromone C
New pheromone D

einstein

04-18-2004, 04:19 PM

What about the

\"secrets\" in Athena 10X and 10:13? Winifred Cutler has one of the few controlled, double-blind studies on

pheromones published in a peer-reviewed journal.
JVK a couple days ago in this forum said it was originally

marketed as DHEA and then they decided to say it was secret ingrediants. I don\'t see DHEA on the list.

nbnbtc

04-18-2004, 05:32 PM

Yeah and what about the

100+ \"pheromone analogs\", essential oils and aphrodisiacs in Doc\'s new brew? Good luck listing all of those,

heh.

cuddlebear

04-18-2004, 05:49 PM

I think Pico\'s

list is enough for anyone ...

DrSmellThis

04-20-2004, 07:56 AM

The nice thing about

the synthetic pheromones is that one has the opportunity to be very precise in which ones are used, and accurate in

their ratios. To coordinate 7 of them in this way would be quite an achievement.

oscar

04-20-2004, 04:45 PM

pico,

Your list may

APPEAR to enumerate more pheromones than it actually includes.

Kind of like this

list:
------------
-----------------
----------------
------------
1 My Father
---- -----
1 of

the persons who are my parents
2 of the persons who are my parents
--------
-- --------
1 My Mother
1

or more persons in my immediate family who are my ancestors (*)
--- --------- -
--- --------- -
---

--------- -
--- --------- -

Look very carefully. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

That\'s not 6 or 7 people. It\'s probably only 2! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(*) There

COULD be more in this group, I\'m not absolutely certain.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BTW,
Today I had a chance to sample the fragrance

that\'s the subject of this thread. Unfortunately though the atomizer that it came in had evidently experienced a

vapor leak. While I couldn\'t detect any signs of liquid leakage in the packaging or in the atomizer\'s outside

casing, the amount that I got was considerably less than what Bruce had put in it. Consequently I think I got what

could probably be described as a \"concentrated version\".

As a result I suppose that any reports I give

on phero effects might be skewed. But that\'s a moot point since I haven\'t worn it out yet. Wednesday night

will be my road test with the stuff.
What I CAN tell you is that it\'s a very \"high-end\" type of fragrance

in the \"Oriental\" family.
\"....an Oriental with BALLS!\" is how I described it in my review to

Bruce.
And YES, it WILL contain pheromones. MANY of them, and LOADS of them!

Oscar

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pico

04-20-2004, 04:48 PM

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pico,

Your list may APPEAR to enumerate more pheromones than it actually

includes.

<hr /></blockquote>

Oscar,
You are probably very true. The

problem is we don\'t know all the secret stuff they put inside these concoctions

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

real_wiseman

04-21-2004, 02:24 PM

So how do I get a

sample?

I was away for a couple of days when the \"Phero\" was announced so I missed it, but did the offer

ever appear on the www.love-scent.com (\"http://www.love-scent.com\") website or was it only

\"offered\" to forum members?
Will the same be the case with this also?

I am definately in for

\"beta-testing\"...

// W

Watcher

04-21-2004, 10:36 PM

The \"phero\" link

should be around here somewhere.

DrSmellThis

04-22-2004, 01:47 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
So how do I get a sample?

I was away for a

couple of days when the \"Phero\" was announced so I missed it, but did the offer ever appear on the

www.love-scent.com (\"http://www.love-scent.com\") website or was it only \"offered\" to forum

members?
Will the same be the case with this also?

I am definately in for \"beta-testing\"...

//

W

<hr /></blockquote>
Pheros, a very unique product, was offered only in

very limited quantities, exclusively to forum members, the first time. It sold out in 36 hours or something like

that. Soon, however, there will be a bigger (but still limited) offering for the general public -- basically the

same product in a different package! Call it chemical warfare on the lack of romance in the world, if you wish.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Right now, though, the focus must be on Bruce\'s new

invention! Bruce is \"kicking ass and taking names\" at this particular moment! IMHO, this is going to be a

product with all the appeal of the original, out of production AE; but updated with lots of the newest technology.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif/ubbthreads/imag

es/graemlins/ooo.gif It will immediately move to the top of people\'s \"must have\" lists and stay there.

I guarantee it. Bruce will let you all know when it will be available. I think within the next 2 weeks, for sure.

Love-Scent is both at the center and the cutting edge of the pheromone universe right now, even more than usual.

Other sites will be helpless to even try to copy L-S, there are so many innovations in the works.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It\'s already started.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

nonscents

04-22-2004, 05:21 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Love-Scent is both at the center and the cutting

edge of the pheromone universe right now, even more than usual.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well, maybe there is one cutting edge. And this edge has a left side, a right side, and a center in the middle.

So L-S is at the center of the cutting edge.

I\'ll leave for later my analysis of how this can be true \"now

more than usual.\"

The question remains, where is DrST?

bjf

04-22-2004, 07:31 AM

DST:

Please let us know

your thoughts on the new product. What type of reactions did you get?

Give me something for my $59.95 donation

to the citizens of Oregon, come on! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

InternationalPlayboy

04-22-2004, 07:48 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I was away for a couple of days when the \"Phero\" was announced so I

missed it, but did the offer ever appear on the www.love-scent.com (\"http://www.love-scent.com\")

website or was it only \"offered\" to forum members?

// W

<hr /></blockquote>

Right now, though, the focus must be on Bruce\'s new invention! Bruce is \"kicking ass and

taking names\" at this particular moment! IMHO, this is going to be a product with all the appeal of the original,

out of production AE; but updated with lots of the newest technology.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif/ubbthreads/imag

es/graemlins/ooo.gif It will immediately move to the top of people\'s \"must have\" lists and stay there.

I guarantee it. Bruce will let you all know when it will be available. I think within the next 2 weeks, for

sure. Love-Scent is both at the center and the cutting edge of the pheromone universe right now, even more than

usual. Other sites will be helpless to even try to copy L-S, there are so many innovations in the works.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It\'s already started.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

(Bolding added

by me.)

I go on vacation in two weeks. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hope the feeding

frenzy isn\'t as strong on this one as it was with Pheros or I may miss out this time. Guess I\'ll be taking a

daily trip to the library for internet access if the announcement isn\'t made by May 9th.

Was hoping to have it

to play with on my trip. But I\'ll probably be overwhelmed with products then anyway. As it is, I\'ll have TE,

SOE, WAGG, Realm, Pheros and a two year old bottle of NPA to mess with. Not to mention a new bottle of RL Silver

cologne and I was thinking of checking out Very Sexy for Men or Angel for Men while in the big city. So I guess

I\'ll have more than enough to chose from for the 7 days away.

Bruce

04-22-2004, 09:09 AM

A word about

returns

Technically, our guarantee is that the products will \"work\" to positively affect your relationships

with others and that is all. Further, that you need to give a product a good shot for 2-3 weeks to come to a

reasonable conclusion about a product before sending it back.

That said however:
A. In practise I don\'t

think we have ever refused to refund somebody\'s money because the sent it back immediately with a note saying

they don\'t like the fragrance.
B. Regular customers and forum members have quite a bit of clout with us and

needn\'t be worried about offending us by returning a product that you don\'t like and are not going use for

whatever reason.
C. About Pheros and Chikara 7 (tentative name of my new product): There is quite a bit of

histeria revolving around the limited/beta releases of these two products. Forum members are snapping up bottles

with very little user testimony to go on. They are both betas. Go ahead and grab one if you are in the mood.

We are expecting to get quite a few back. Try it a few times and if it turns out to be something you won\'t wear

anymore for whatever reason, pop it back in the bubble pack and send it back. No problemo; really.

Bruce

DrSmellThis

04-22-2004, 09:54 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Love-Scent is both at the center and the cutting edge of the pheromone

universe right now, even more than usual.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well, maybe there is

one cutting edge. And this edge has a left side, a right side, and a center in the middle. So L-S is at the center

of the cutting edge.

I\'ll leave for later my analysis of how this can be true \"now more than

usual.\"

The question remains, where is DrST?

<hr /></blockquote>Bruce is

everywhere at once on the L-S buzzsaw, and is also the one who plugged it in, and is working it.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I\'m just an \"edgy\" individual who stood a bit too \"close

to the edge\" and went over it. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Talk to my

shrink, Pancho, for more diagnostic information. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

SwingerMD

04-22-2004, 12:08 PM

Chikara 7?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif . . . oh I get it. Personally it kinda gives it a comic book

hero(s) feel . . . like the \"Fantastic Four\", or the . . . .

--------------------


-SwingerMD

Mtnjim

04-22-2004, 12:39 PM

\"Forum members are

snapping up bottles with very little user testimony to go on. They are both betas. Go ahead and grab one if you are

in the mood.\"

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Where??
Don\'t expect to find them in

the \"regular store\" so I checked the Forum Club and still didn\'t find where to get them.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Dang, I sure wanted to check out the new one!

bjf

04-22-2004, 01:56 PM

I was confused to, but they

are not yet for sale, even in beta form...

Helsinki

04-22-2004, 02:02 PM

Burce, I completely

trust and appreciate your character and claims. Just curious, do you test these products before you let them loose

to a few forum regulars? How? What do you do? I\'m fascinated by the science of it all.
Count me in for beta

testing as well. That would be interesting to me.

nbnbtc

04-22-2004, 02:28 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Chikara 7 (tentative name of my new product)

<hr /></blockquote>

Did a search and this is what I found on urbandictionary.com:

chikara

strength

Derived from Japanese chikara, meaning might

That crazy blond has a lot of chikara.

also this site

[url=\"http://www.oberlin.edu/stuorg/obkarate/chikara.html\"]http://www.oberlin.edu/stuorg/obkarate/chikara.html[/

url] had this to say:

chikara (n.) power; strength; force;
might; efforts; resources;
capacity;

talent.

sounds cool Bruce!

franki

04-22-2004, 02:31 PM

Do you have to use a

dictionary to find out if it sounds cool? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

nbnbtc

04-22-2004, 09:21 PM

when i dont know what the

word means, yeah lol

Holmes

04-23-2004, 07:24 AM

Great name,

Bruce!

Holmes

Bruce

04-27-2004, 01:43 PM

Happy Day! We will be

ready to ship Chikara this Friday. We can take orders anytime now. I should have an order page set up sometime

tonight. The normal price will be the same as Pheros, $69.95. I think I will make the price of this beta shipment

only $49.95 though. Doc had such nice packaging for Pheros; it was really finish quality. Chikara is going to be

in pretty rough condition in terms of packaging for this first 100 bottles. The bottle is mechanically nice, but

the label is printed out on a PC; a real beta.

Hope you like it. We\'re going to send out questionaires with

each order. Really hoping to get some solid feedback.

Yeah!
B

franki

04-27-2004, 01:48 PM

What is the product

supposed to do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Bruce

04-27-2004, 02:38 PM

\"supposed to do?\"

Chikara? Just like the name implies: It gives you tokubetsuna noryoku!

Honestly, I have noticed far more effects

from Chikara than any other product I have every experimented with, but as I have told others by email and PM, I

don\'t want to go into detail about it now due to the likelihood of influencing the perceptions of those

participating in the beta test.

Bruce

Sexyredhead

04-27-2004, 02:41 PM

And this is just a

guys\' product?

bjf

04-27-2004, 02:44 PM

Bruce:

I respect your not

wanting to influence the feedback in the beta test. Can you at least tell us about the testing process that the mix

went through to get to this point? Because if we decide to test it, it will still cost us quite a bit of income and

I\'m sure many would like to know that they are getting a mix that probably won\'t need too much tweeking after

our feedback.

Bruce

04-27-2004, 08:22 PM

Hi Folks,

Ready to roll

on the Chikara

beta.
http://www.love-scent.com/Chikara/order.html (\"http://www.love-scent.com/Chikara/order.html\")

nBJF,
Sorry I can\'t tell you any more. Couple things to keep in mind though:
A. Refunds will be generously

and cheerfully given. (they are very easy to get anyway)
B. There will not be such a long wait for subsequent

batchs. If you are worried about not liking Chikara, why not wait until some feedback comes in.

By the way, I am

making up a brief questionaire concerning Chikara. There will be a copy tucked in with each bottle

shipped.

Bruce

Helsinki

04-27-2004, 08:30 PM

Y\'know, I really

like Bruce.

Gossamer_2701

04-28-2004, 04:31 AM

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif The link will

let me order it, BUT it won\'t go to the \'secure server\' to pay for it

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Anyone else

having that problem?

belgareth

04-28-2004, 04:35 AM

Same here.

BassMan

04-28-2004, 05:01 AM

Mee three.

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-28-2004, 05:03 AM

Mine is

guaranteed... I hope! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ordered using Paypal.

InternationalPlayboy

04-28-2004, 05:26 AM

Had the

same problem with the secure server, so I ordered through the toll free number. The woman taking the call was kind

of taken aback when I told her the name of the product. I spelled the name for her and told her it was just offered

today. Looking forward to trying it. And it looks like it will arrive before I leave for vacation. Not much time to

test it before the trip though.

Now the dilema is, do I try this product, Pheros/NPA or other mones + my RL

Silver on my friend when I see her next week. Think it\'ll be Pheros first as I really want her opinion on it. I

want to try it all, but don\'t want to confuse her either.

ShyGuy

04-28-2004, 06:08 AM

Ordered mine through

Paypal.

Probably should have waited until after the beta test, but I get so easily excited... This is starting to

get quite expensive for a poor student like me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Oh, well...

Bruce

04-28-2004, 06:38 AM

What a mess. In all the

time I have been with this gateway I have never seen such an outage. About 2-3 times a year we have to live with

an hour out at 1 AM, but we have never been down (from the gateway anyway) during the day. Here is part of an

email I got about an hour ago (6:30 AM Pacific)

---
The following message was received from our provider

regarding the outage
experienced this morning. Since power was restored, we have been working to
restore all

gateway services. This should be completed shortly.

At approximately 0225 CDT our availability monitoring

systems began
generating alerts indicating that our Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)
systems had transitioned

from AC power to battery. Before our onsite
technicians could investigate the issue further fire alarms sounded in

the
building and all staff were required to evacuate. At this time several
additional oncall technicians were

paged and began making their way to the
facility.

Shortly after evacuation was complete the Dallas Fire

Department (DFD)
arrived on-site and forbade anyone from entering the building above the
first floor level. As our

equipment is located on the 20th and 24th floors
our technicians were still unable to further investigate the

impact of what
was now being described as an electrical fire was having on our operations.
Upon arriving on the

20th floor the DFD reported thick haze and the order
was given to disengage all UPS units via their fire code

mandated Emergency
Power Off (EPO) facility. This culminated in the remaining UPS powered
equipment being

transitioned off battery power resulting in a lights out
condition affecting our entire suite on the 20th floor

along with
approximately 1/3 of the building.

At approximately 0405 CDT the DFD removed the restriction on

movement within
the building and restarted elevator service. Upon arriving at our suite our
technicians observed

that AC power had not yet been restored even though the
building was reported to be back on mains AC.

As of 0701

CDT the building engineers have restored power to our suite and
the DFD have given permission for us to stand down

from our EPO status. All
clients should see machines begin to come back online at this time.

Thank-you for your

patience and understanding in this matter, please do not
hesitate to contact us if we can be of any assistance in

restoring any
aspect of your service.

----------
Probably the servers are up now, but there is probably work to

be done getting the gateway services running. Let\'s hope it is up very soon.

Yikes!
Bruce

Sunny

04-28-2004, 06:51 AM

Okay, I got my glasses on

now:

I can\'t find an option to pay via PayPal...?

Sunny

koolking1

04-28-2004, 07:19 AM

I was up early and had

the lost server problem as well. I\'d also like to pay via PayPal. Cheers

franki

04-28-2004, 07:20 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Okay, I got my glasses in now:

I can\'t find an option to pay via

PayPal...?

Sunny

<hr /></blockquote>

I think you have to email Bruce for that.

Sunny

04-28-2004, 07:21 AM

All right, thanks

Franki!

Since there won\'t be a shortage like with Pheros (I hope), we have time to order till Friday.

Sunny

EvilChemist

04-28-2004, 08:29 AM

Sweet! Two orders in

the same week. One to try out beta-nol, now a chikara order and a replacement bottle of Alter Ego (which died an

unremarkable death all over my shirt on Friday night).

Bruce

04-28-2004, 08:33 AM

Folks,

The gateway

(internet credit card order interface) is still down. (9:30 AM pacific) Tech support over there is not even taking

calls, so it could be a while. We have the phones set up to take orders for Chikara now, so that is probably the

best route for the moment. The lines are open 24/7
(800) 662-8633
So far we only have a couple of PayPal orders,

so no need to panic.

Very sorry about this. The timing is amazing, isn\'t it?

Bruce

koolking1

04-28-2004, 08:36 AM

I must have missed the

window - server seems to be down again: Code: NBF024 Transaction processing is currently disabled for maintenance.

Please try back later

DCW

04-28-2004, 08:39 AM

So is it safe to say that

from your pre testing Chikara is the new Big Dog in terms of potency and effectiveness?
Or is it too early to tell?

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-28-2004, 08:41 AM

I guess I was the

first person in the world to order Bruce\'s new invention (oficially)!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Unless ShyGuy did

it before... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I\'ll tokubetsuna noryoku some chicks with it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Unknownshadown20

04-28-2004, 08:50 AM

Will this be a

spray fragrance like TE or oil base like SOE roll-on?

koolking1

04-28-2004, 08:54 AM

got my order in via

the 800 # looking forward!!!

Holmes

04-28-2004, 08:56 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Will this be a spray fragrance like TE or oil base like SOE roll-on?

<hr /></blockquote>

Spray.

Holmes

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-28-2004, 09:01 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Will this be a spray fragrance like TE or oil base like SOE roll-on?

<hr /></blockquote>

Spray.

Holmes

<hr /></blockquote>

How many ml?

Holmes

04-28-2004, 09:05 AM

15 (I think).

Holmes

ShyGuy

04-28-2004, 09:21 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I guess I was the first person in the world to order Bruce\'s new invention

(oficially)! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Unless ShyGuy did it before... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Actually, I

didn\'t even think about using paypal until I had read your post, so I guess you were first.

Bruce

04-28-2004, 09:57 AM

Gang!

Please try your

orders again. It seems to be working now.

Hope hope,
Bruce

InternationalPlayboy

04-28-2004, 10:08 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Folks,

The gateway (internet credit card order

interface) is still down. (9:30 AM pacific) Tech support over there is not even taking calls, so it could be a

while. We have the phones set up to take orders for Chikara now, so that is probably the best route for the

moment. The lines are open 24/7
(800) 662-8633
So far we only have a couple of PayPal orders, so no need to

panic.

Very sorry about this. The timing is amazing, isn\'t it?

Bruce

<hr /></blockquote>

Is there a way of verifying if my order went through? I called the 1-800 number before the new

stuff was in their computer. She took my order but was confused when I gave her the name of the product. I figure I

don\'t get an email confirmation with this one.

Unknownshadown20

04-28-2004, 10:10 AM

YOUR REQUEST

COULD NOT BE PROCESSED AND HAS BEEN CANCELED.
THE FOLLOWING ERROR OCCURRED:

Our servers are currently

undergoing maintenance. Please try back soon.
------------------------------------------------------------
Is not

working for me online.

bigdog

04-28-2004, 10:26 AM

Yeah it\'s still hosed.

Bruce

04-28-2004, 01:32 PM

2 orders came in, but I

think it is going to be hit or miss for a few hours. Keep trying.

Very sorry for the trouble.

B

Mtnjim

04-28-2004, 01:43 PM

Just submitted my

order.
Processed faster than usual!!

Just a fluke??

Unknownshadown20

04-28-2004, 01:49 PM

Thank you for

your order!
You will receive an e-mail confirmation

shortly
-----------------------------------------------------------
Alright!!! is about time.

TopDawg2050

04-28-2004, 02:04 PM

I was thinking about

ordering, but it kinda sounds like a big Phero content, \'none didnt work for me, as in PI. I\'m going to stick

to SoE and TE Gel packs for now, as they dont have as much \'none, \'rone and \'nol seem to work best for me.

After some feedback is on the forums I\'ll consider trying a bottle.

nbnbtc

04-28-2004, 02:54 PM

Well I just got my email

confirmation, so I guess it is all alright now? *crosses fingers* lets see some Chikara!

Bruce

04-28-2004, 03:31 PM

Hi Folks,

Well, the

trouble seems to be over. Orders are flowing in as would be expected. Very sorry about that.

If you got an

email confirmation, then your order is OK.

Phone order folks, email me if you have doubts, but if the operator

said the order has been taken, then all is well. There are no email confirmations with phone orders.

Sorry again

about the trouble.

Cheers, love and thanks,
Bruce

DZorro

04-29-2004, 04:12 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Hi Folks,

Well, the trouble seems to be over. Orders are flowing in as

would be expected. Very sorry about that.

If you got an email confirmation, then your order is OK.

Phone

order folks, email me if you have doubts, but if the operator said the order has been taken, then all is well.

There are no email confirmations with phone orders.

Sorry again about the trouble.

Cheers, love and

thanks,
Bruce

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks, just made my order Bruce, can\'t wait

to test this one out too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Right now hadden\'t had time to test

phero\'s either /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif but i will get a vacation soon, so lot\'s of

testing their. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DZorro,

jose

04-29-2004, 04:30 AM

Well this is going to be my

last Pheromone order for a very very long time. I trust Bruce and have had good customer service for the past 5

years (boy time sure flys). He took a lot of time and preparation for this new product so I\'m going to give it a

shot. I just hope the fragrance smiles good.

Bruce

04-29-2004, 06:31 AM

Jose,

I think you made

the right move. The price will never be this low and you can send it back for a refund without the slightest

hesitation if you don\'t like it. We have worked on this for literally years and I have very high hopes for the

potion. I honestly believe it has no equal, and probably nothing will even come close for years to come in terms of

pheromone chemistry.

Bruce

bigdog

04-29-2004, 06:57 AM

Thanks for your eforts

Bruce. You have mentioned that it has 7 pheromonal ingredients. Could you please elaborate more on this?

Bruce

04-29-2004, 07:23 AM

3 of them are the standard

NONE, NOL and RONE. The rest I can\'t tell you much about except that A. they have never been used in any

commercial product to my knowledge and B. they have not been patented for use as pheromones.

Bruce

bigdog

04-29-2004, 07:56 AM

Thanks Bruce. It will be

interesting to see what affects pheromone types x,y,z have. Can you tell us the % of none,rol,none? Is the

concentration quite different than AE?

oscar

04-29-2004, 07:57 AM

jose,

I got a very small

advance sample of Chikara that had apparently partially evaporated in transit. I ended up diluting it with about a

milliliter of Everclear and a few drops of water, and I\'ve been stretching that out for a week now applying it

very sparingly, but the results have been quite good. Since I don\'t know whether this is now a concentrated

version of the stuff or a diluted version, I\'m apprehensive about making too many claims about its

phero-effectiveness. Suffice to say the hits are there!

What I CAN say is that the fragrance is excellent! This

is the sort of cologne that I would not be surprised to find right there with the high-end stuff from the major

players at a Nordstrom\'s or Neiman\'s.

I\'ve gotten several great reviews on the scent from many women

whose opinions I\'ve solicited, and have yet to find one who said that she didn\'t like it. The men that I\'ve

asked have all liked it too, even ones who\'ve told me that they\'re not \"cologne type of guys\". I also made

it a point to ask all of them whether they thought it was a \"masculine\" scent or not, and they all thought it

was.

I\'m far from being an expert on colognes. I can\'t just take a whiff and tell you that your wearing

Bulgari Blue, or Villoresi Musk, but I could probably pick out a Green Irish Tweed or Issey Miyake or Realm for Men

as these are fragrances that I own.
Imagine if Realm for Men hade been created by a master parfumeur who took into

consideration from the outset the fact that a blend of pheromones would be an integral part of the overall

fragrance.

The scent and the mones work nicely together, and the residual musky smell of the androgens that

remains after the higher end top notes have faded retains quite a bit of the original fragrance, so you\'re not

left with the acrid smell of the more pungent pheromones.

From what I\'ve been told, the 15mL bottle contains a

total of 10mgs of pheromones. That gives Chikara a \"devilish\" phero content of .666mg/mL. (ba-dump BUMP!) So

this stuff actually has a greater total phero concentration than Primal or Rogue Male or most any of the other

heavy-weights.
But the 7-phero formula must have been balanced very carefully because it\'s not obvious to the

nose even many hours after application. You CAN tell they are there, but you really have to focus to pick them

up.

If Chikara were only a cologne I would definitely buy it JUST for the fragrance (Ok, maybe not at this

price).
But if it was just a pheromone additive I would snap it up too, because at $50, $60, or even $70, 10mgs of

total pheros is a bargain!
The fact that it\'s a great fragrance AND a serious pheromone product makes it a

very good value in my opinion.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
\"Well this is

going to be my last Pheromone order for a very very long time.\" - jose

<hr /></blockquote>
Dude! If I only had a nickel for every time I said that!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bruce

04-29-2004, 07:58 AM

http://www.love-scent.com/Chikara/order.html (\"http://www.love-scent.com/Chikara/order.html\")

There

is the link to Chikara again. I got and email from someone who couldn\'t find it.

Bruce

jamesdeanmartin

04-29-2004, 08:06 AM

After reading

Oscar\'s post, I wish I bought more than 1 bottle :-)

jose

04-29-2004, 08:14 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
jose,

I got a very small advance sample of Chikara that had apparently

partially evaporated in transit. I ended up diluting it with about a milliliter of Everclear and a few drops of

water, and I\'ve been stretching that out for a week now applying it very sparingly, but the results have been

quite good. Since I don\'t know whether this is now a concentrated version of the stuff or a diluted version,

I\'m apprehensive about making too many claims about its phero-effectiveness. Suffice to say the hits are

there!

What I CAN say is that the fragrance is excellent! This is the sort of cologne that I would not be

surprised to find right there with the high-end stuff from the major players at a Nordstrom\'s or Neiman\'s.

I\'ve gotten several great reviews on the scent from many women whose opinions I\'ve solicited, and have yet

to find one who said that she didn\'t like it. The men that I\'ve asked have all liked it too, even ones

who\'ve told me that they\'re not \"cologne type of guys\". I also made it a point to ask all of them whether

they thought it was a \"masculine\" scent or not, and they all thought it was.

I\'m far from being an expert

on colognes. I can\'t just take a whiff and tell you that your wearing Bulgari Blue, or Villoresi Musk, but I

could probably pick out a Green Irish Tweed or Issey Miyake or Realm for Men as these are fragrances that I

own.
Imagine if Realm for Men hade been created by a master parfumeur who took into consideration from the outset

the fact that a blend of pheromones would be an integral part of the overall fragrance.

The scent and the mones

work nicely together, and the residual musky smell of the androgens that remains after the higher end top notes have

faded retains quite a bit of the original fragrance, so you\'re not left with the acrid smell of the more pungent

pheromones.

From what I\'ve been told, the 15mL bottle contains a total of 10mgs of pheromones. That gives

Chikara a \"devilish\" phero content of .666mg/mL. (ba-dump BUMP!) So this stuff actually has a greater total

phero concentration than Primal or Rogue Male or most any of the other heavy-weights.
But the 7-phero formula must

have been balanced very carefully because it\'s not obvious to the nose even many hours after application. You CAN

tell they are there, but you really have to focus to pick them up.

If Chikara were only a cologne I would

definitely buy it JUST for the fragrance (Ok, maybe not at this price).
But if it was just a pheromone additive I

would snap it up too, because at $50, $60, or even $70, 10mgs of total pheros is a bargain!
The fact that it\'s

a great fragrance AND a serious pheromone product makes it a very good value in my

opinion.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
\"Well this is going to be my last

Pheromone order for a very very long time.\" - jose

<hr /></blockquote>
Dude! If I

only had a nickel for every time I said that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks for the insight on Chikara 7 Oscar, and yes I know the deal I\'m getting on the price

which is one of the reasons why I purchased it. I do mean a longtime since I don\'t wear my products every day and

only on special occasions and once in a while on the weekends. Plus I purchased 2 other products last month, so the

credit cards are pretty low. This stash should last me until next year.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

pieroilfiero

04-29-2004, 08:28 AM

ARRRGH, i just

placed an order 30 seconds ago for a bunch-of-stuff already, did not notice chikara was out. any chance you could

add a chikara bottle and bill me for that too? so i save 30$ of ups

thanks

ironration

04-29-2004, 09:00 AM

Bruce does that mean

that people that have used it have got stronger or more consistent hits then from other products?

If only the

smell is great, or the pheroes work really great in theory I am not intrested.

However, if the results are

stronger or more consistent then other products... then I am intrested in beta testing

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
Jose,

I think you made the right move. The price will never be this low and you can send it back for a

refund without the slightest hesitation if you don\'t like it. We have worked on this for literally years and I

have very high hopes for the potion. I honestly believe it has no equal, and probably nothing will even come close

for years to come in terms of pheromone chemistry.

Bruce

<hr /></blockquote>

bjf

04-29-2004, 09:33 AM

Bruce -

You said no

problem with returns on this beta version. Does that mean we can return it and go buy the official version, if the

final pheromone formula has been tweeked? I have been using mones for over a year, and the only product that I have

entirely run through is NPA, and I have a lot of stuff. I don\'t want to be stuck having to run through 15 ml of

my beta for who knows how long before I obtain the superior version of the product.

Also, rather then returning

and then purchasing the offical version, can we just do an exchange?

BJF

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-29-2004, 09:36 AM

Bruce

said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Honestly, I have noticed far more

effects from Chikara than any other product I have ever experimented with

<hr /></blockquote>

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-29-2004, 09:40 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Also, rather then returning and then purchasing the

offical version, can we just do an exchange?

<hr /></blockquote>

If you are not

totally satisfied with it, just return the product and you\'ll get your money... or ask for a trade, if Bruce

agrees... as simple as that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

bjf

04-29-2004, 09:45 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Also,

rather then returning and then purchasing the offical version, can we just do an exchange?

<hr

/></blockquote>

If you are not totally satisfied with it, just return the product and

you\'ll get your money... or ask for a trade, if Bruce agrees... as simple as that...

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'m sure I

won\'t want my MONEY back. And I am not sure how I feel about returning a product so I can then go buy the same

product.

Anyway, let the man address this.

Bruce

04-29-2004, 10:00 AM

BJF,

I don\'t expect

to be making any major changes; possibly change the amount of fragrance, but if you are strapped for cash, I would

say just wait. To tell the truth, I don\'t feel too good about trading the beta in for the boxed version down the

road. I\'ll be surprised if there is anything radically different other than the packaging. Just don\'t know

for sure. That\'s why they call it testing. More than anything, I am wondering what to call the stuff. Is this

Japanese motif accurate yada yada.

B

DrSmellThis

04-29-2004, 10:06 AM

I can tell folks that

the chances of someone \"flat out not liking\" the scent are slim, in my experience with scents, as it is a

mellow, musky masculine scent of a type that typically does not offend anyone (though it is not at all \"weak\",

and does indeed last on your skin well). It\'s even probable that someone would, down the road when everyone gets

accustomed to it by itself, find that they could even mix with it as well. It is not only a great scent, it should

also fit in well to \"forum culture\", then.

Although I have very little experience with the product, I

can just tell you all that the one time I used it (I had enough for one nice, full dose) a gorgeous 22 y.o.

bohemian, freckled, redheaded woman asked me for a ride at a coffee shop (unfortunately she had a boyfriend).

I found it also very pleasant to wear, both in terms of wanting to smell it on myself, and the way it made

me feel. So I think there are definitely some positive wearer effects, although I couldn\'t yet put my finger on

what they were (It\'s just as well, as I\'m curious what other folks will think). I guess this is the new age of

\"metrosexual pheromones\" where the wearer gets something nice in the bargain too, as it should be! We deserve

it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Although I agree this could be a successful major

department store cologne, I believe the scent is actually better for our usage than department-store colognes, as

those are often too \"in your face\" even when they are nice. Bruce\'s \"more user friendly\" cologne is

something you can use every day, and not just at night. I guess I would call it \"smooth.\"

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I agree with Oscar about the pheromones blending with the

scent, and about it being a good bargain.

I am really looking forward to finding out more about what it

does, and how to use it with other favorite products; just like everyone else! You\'d better believe I\'m

getting some!

bjf

04-29-2004, 10:27 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
BJF,

I don\'t expect to be making any major changes; possibly change the

amount of fragrance, but if you are strapped for cash, I would say just wait. To tell the truth, I don\'t feel

too good about trading the beta in for the boxed version down the road. I\'ll be surprised if there is anything

radically different other than the packaging. Just don\'t know for sure. That\'s why they call it testing.

More than anything, I am wondering what to call the stuff. Is this Japanese motif accurate yada yada.

B

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks. I am glad you talked about the expected changes. I

wouldn\'t care much about changes in packaging or scent, but since you are not expecting much change in the

formula, I\'ll assume that some work was put into deriving the right pheromone ratios and that we aren\'t

completely a bunch of guiniea pigs.

BJF

CptKipling

04-29-2004, 10:41 AM

I was going to wait

untill the final version, but I have been sold on what Bruce said about not changing the formula much, and of course

the price! And I got paid a little extra this month /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Oscar,

So you haven\'t been noticing any issues with concentration? With figures that high it has to pack some punch

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

bigdog

04-29-2004, 10:42 AM

Bruce wouldn\'t sell a

product that isn\'t ready to be used. He most definitely would like followup purchases of Chikara so the product

must be already at a state in which only very minor tweaking may be done.

CptKipling

04-29-2004, 10:45 AM

Yes but a beta version

is a beta version, so to a certain degree you have to accept that you aren\'t going to know what you are getting

and to what extent the beta has been developed.

ToBeOrNotToBe

04-29-2004, 11:59 AM

years of work... 4

new items... positive results achieved by those who tested it... I\'m sure we may be confident!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

belgareth

04-29-2004, 02:25 PM

I\'ve been playing

with Chikara for about a week now. At first I thought I wouldn\'t be able to report any positives. Today I was in

an office working around half a dozen women ages ranging from early twenties to fifties. Almost all of them were

unusually friendly and a one of them started rubbing my back while I tried to work on her computer. She\'s never

been more than professionally friendly in the past. Today, she was overtly sexual in both her actions and

conversation.

I like the smell myself but don\'t trust my skewed sense of smell on it.

dasentini

04-29-2004, 10:33 PM

Here is my positive

input on all of this:

I\'m 20yrs old and i\'ve been interested in the role pheromones play in sexual

attraction since i was 14. The only products that blown me away were Attratant 1000+ and of course you know Alter

Ego. (To this day I can tell you the tremendous results of A/E)

I love the role of pheromones so that\'s why

i\'ve ordered Bruce\'s product the Chikara expecting it to blow me away also. I\'m anticipating trying it out

at work where i wait tables and then at school when i go in the evenings... I trust Bruce on this one.

If

anyone\'s read my past posts, then i don\'t have to explain anymore how these powerful pheromone products have

helped me in the playing field. I\'m hitting homeruns.

oscar

04-30-2004, 06:46 AM

CptKipling,

Again,

I\'m at a disadvantage to make a judgement on overall concentration due to my sample having been partly

evaporated. So I\'d have to use a lot of \"IF\'s\" just to come up with \"tentative

speculation\".

IF I could assume that the 6 or so drops that I received were in fact a truly

representative sample of a concentrated version of Chikara, that is, the evaporation only allowed the escape of

carrier alcohol and water, and the fragrance/phero ratio remained true to the original formula, then I would say

that there is NOT an issue with the fragrance to phero ratio that would need any tweaking prior to final release.

The fragrance covers and carries the pheros quite nicely. It\'s a very harmonious blend that really does not seem

to need any further work.

Assuming the above \"IF\" to be the case, the only issue of adjusting ANY

concentration that I could see occurring would be the adjustment of the amount of unscented carrier that is

employed. And since that\'s the ratio that I\'m most at a loss to evaluate with the situation I\'ve found

myself in (having a concentrated sample that I had to decide how much to dilute), I really won\'t be able

to say until I\'ve gotten my bottle of the genuine article.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

CptKipling

04-30-2004, 09:56 AM

Ok, thanks Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bruce

04-30-2004, 10:54 AM

50 bottles arrived this

morning and all will ship today. The rest should arrive and get shipped early next week. I think we have about 75

orders in, so it is first order in, first shipped.

Thanks to all,
bruce

DZorro

04-30-2004, 11:27 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
50 bottles arrived this morning and all will ship today. The rest should

arrive and get shipped early next week. I think we have about 75 orders in, so it is first order in, first

shipped.

Thanks to all,
bruce

<hr /></blockquote>

Good to hear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif i only hope i was 1 of the 50ts
DZorro, <-- keeps his fingers

corssed /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DZorro,

DZorro

04-30-2004, 10:39 PM

woo hoo, just received

confirmation my order has been ship the 30th, was a bit worried i wasn\'t one of the first 50ts who ordered this

product, but i can\'t wait to try it out either cause next week starts my vacation. lot\'s of time here

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DZorro,

Watcher

05-01-2004, 02:37 AM

I tried to order but the

payment system kept getting errors so i wasnt able to entre the credit card No and complete the transaction will

wait and buy some more later on - decided on more pheros first and a bottle of perfect 10

DZorro

05-02-2004, 05:03 AM

anybeen experimenting

with Chikara ??
If so, how was it ???

I will get my bottle next week, so can\'t wait to try it out.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DZorro,

ToBeOrNotToBe

05-02-2004, 05:42 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
anybeen experimenting with Chikara ??
If so, how

was it ???

I will get my bottle next week, so can\'t wait to try it out.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DZorro,

<hr /></blockquote>

I don\'t think anyone received the package with Chikara yet. Perhaps tomorrow.

Bruce

05-02-2004, 06:27 AM

Among the 50 that went out

on Friday, there were at least a few with overnight delivery and there are always the lucky 10-20% of postal

shipments that arrive in 2 days, so we should start seeing some feedback very soon.

Watcher, sounds like you hit

another brief period of down-time we had in the wee hours of the morning (US time). The gateway server disaster

that cause the long outage last week, necessitated a 1-2 hour scheduled downtime to correct some residual problems.

I think that\'s what you hit. It should be business as usual from now on. Hope hope.

Bruce

dping28

05-02-2004, 04:58 PM

Welp I have decided to

add another one to my collection and ordered this one.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I swear

this is becoming an addiction. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

pieroilfiero

05-02-2004, 05:07 PM

i ordered a

bunchofstuff includin chikara, ill post any results

Watcher

05-03-2004, 01:56 AM

Ok thanks bruce will have

to try again in the next few days.

Bruce

05-03-2004, 07:22 AM

Anyone get their Chikara

yet?
On the edge of my chair over here. Really hope you guys like it.

B

jose

05-03-2004, 07:27 AM

I should get mine today or

tomorrow, the male man is not here yet. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

franki

05-03-2004, 07:35 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I should get mine today or tomorrow, the male man is not here yet.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe the

femail man will come around later today.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sagacious1420

05-03-2004, 07:47 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I should get mine today or tomorrow, the male man is not here yet.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe the

femail man will come around later today.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr

/></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

jose

05-03-2004, 08:29 AM

OK already have it but

there\'s a problem the spray pump is not working to good and you can\'t unscrew the cap. Smells nice, I detect

a little bit of alcohol but it goes away and the fragrance takes over. Fix the label its pretty sticky when you

touch it. That all to report for now until I test it this coming weekend.

bjf

05-03-2004, 09:14 AM

Bruce:

Is the final

version of Chikara going to have bottles that we can dab and do drops from?

Or are the bottles of beta the

same for the final version?

SwingerMD

05-03-2004, 10:47 AM

Hi all,

Just got

mine in as well. Slight spillage on the label warpping it. Not sure if it happened in transit since cap is on

tight and I detect no leakage around the spray head. The fragarence from what I can smell from the stuff spilled on

the outside, is quite nice.

I can\'t wait to test it on the way home via the bus. BTW I\'m thinking that 2

sprays would be a good starting pt. for 1st application. Anyone else have any recomendations on

dosage?

--------------------
 -SwingerMD

bigdog

05-03-2004, 10:48 AM

I would say Bruce could

answer dosage questions since it\'s unclear what\'s in Chikara right now.

StandingTall

05-03-2004, 11:37 AM

Bruce,

I got my

Chikara today and it smells great. The problem is that alot of mine leaked out. I would say about 1/3-1/2 of it

leaked out depending on how full the bottle was to start with. There isn\'t even a label on mine at this point

but since I take all the labels off anyway...no biggie.

bigdog

05-03-2004, 11:42 AM

Somebody\'s gotta go

out and about and test it. Please do and report back please. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

DrSmellThis

05-03-2004, 01:56 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
OK already have it but there\'s a problem the

spray pump is not working to good and you can\'t unscrew the cap. Smells nice, I detect a little bit of alcohol

but it goes away and the fragrance takes over. Fix the label its pretty sticky when you touch it. That all to

report for now until I test it this coming weekend.

<hr /></blockquote>
did it come in

a gold atomizer? That\'s how my small beta sample came.

Pherona

05-03-2004, 02:37 PM

Describe the smell?

Bruce

05-03-2004, 02:45 PM

Doc,

These beta bottles

are real production bottles. I just put a little bit of mine into one of those pocket atomizers for you. The idea

was that these 15ml clear glass bottles with fixed atomizer head (the one you beta folks are getting) would be the

permanent home for Chikara, but it sounds like we are having some leakage problems. By the way, let me know by

email if you got a low-level beta and I will credit you back for the missing amount.

RE amount; I am normally

very conservative with fragrance, so don\'t limit yourself here, but I use 1-2 sprays on a wrist and rub in a

little.

Bruce

InternationalPlayboy

05-03-2004, 06:36 PM

Got mine

tonight.Problems with the sticky label and sprayer too. The bubble wrap was stuck to the label and when I peeled it

off, most of the ink came off of the label. Can\'t tell if there was actual leakage or if the label is just

incompatable with the bubble plastic. There is about an inch and 7/8 of fluid in the bottle, with about 1/4 inch of

air space between the widest part of the bottle at the top and the start of the liquid.

Put on about five sprays,

trying to get the sprayer to work well. had the same problem once with a bottle or Realm, which I would have to soak

in (not too) hot water to get it to work. Soaking the Chikara bottle seems to help, but I think like the Realm

bottle, I will continue to have trouble spraying with it. On the plus side, soaking got rid of the stickyness of the

label.

Now for the plus side. I like the scent, I think I can smell the mones in it, but it\'s not offensive to

me. Kind of musky but at the same time, I catch something else. The closest I can describe it right now is

undertones of something maybe cirtus-like, I\'m not sure.

Looking forward to wearing this, though I don\'t

think I\'ll use it at work. Maybe I won\'t wash off what I just put on and see what that does at work tomorrow.

Aside form the packaging glitches, first impressions are it\'s going to be a good product.

StandingTall

05-03-2004, 07:25 PM

I decided to do a

little testing since I had to go to the mall and then study at the bookstore. I put on two sprays behind the ear,

one on the throat and one on the back of my hand. The product had a calming effect on me but I didn\'t really see

any hits with it during the first three hours with it. After sitting in the bookstore for about two hours I decided

to throw on some Edge gel with it. What came out was an EXTREME musk like smell. I went back to my seat and as

soon as I sat down I got a little head rush from the scent. I noticed about 8 different girls, who were all there

before, start making eye contact. In fact everyone seemed to start talking and laughing after I added the edge.

I\'ll try again tomorrow without the edge added.

bigdog

05-03-2004, 07:51 PM

I assume the giddiness

was out of the ordinary. Especially at a scene other than the club. Were they all together and perhaps joking

around?

If adding a little edge to it adds some kick that\'s find with me. It definitely would be interesting

to have someone test on it\'s own, With TE unscented & scented, NPA, AE, etc.

jose

05-03-2004, 07:51 PM

Still having spray problems I

tried to fix it but still spitting out tiny droplets. Bruce next time put it in a bottle with a screw cap on it,

I\'m sure people want to put dabs on or in Atomzers. I\'ve smelled that fragrance before, just can\'t

remember where. I\'ll send my questionnaire probably after a month.

SwingerMD

05-03-2004, 09:39 PM

I 2nd Jose\'s

suggestion on a screw cap for the bottle. Yes it does have a citrusy note in the fragarence. It took a few pumps

to get something out (was afraid it was broken for a while) and the amount that comes out is not very much so I

sprayed twice per application point. So pretty much I had two sprays per arm, two on the chest and one behind each

ear.

So far I have no definate hits to report. Perhaps one, but it was really iffy.

--------------------

 -SwingerMD

dasentini

05-04-2004, 12:00 AM

Where\'s my

bottle?..... I feel left out /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I can\'t wait to try it out at the

club Wednesday night. I haven\'t hit the club scene in a while and I want to show up with this new weapon like I

did with A/E. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DZorro

05-04-2004, 02:20 AM

I just got my bottle too,

but it dose look perfectly in good condition, and no leakage here, the smell from Chikara resembles the smell witch

i got here a few months back, i think it was Cool Scent, anyway it does cover the mones well, so no complain here. I

will try 2 sprayes from it and see what type of hits i get. Will report back here later.

DZorro,

bjf

05-04-2004, 04:01 AM

Did you guys or has anyone

gotten the \"your order has been shipped out emails\" from Love scent from this product?

Because I still

haven\'t got one.

InternationalPlayboy

05-04-2004, 05:39 AM

I didn\'t

get an email notice because I ordered over the phone. I emailed Bruce on Saturday to verify whether my order made it

through and was shipped and he was quick to reply to the positive within 15 minutes or so!

Thought it wasn\'t

going to show up last night as the mail had already been delivered. But the postman returned about a half hour later

with the package, which required a signature.

Soaking the bottle in hot water for a few minutes last night did

help the sprayer. I get a very fine mist now when I spray. I kind of like the bottle myself, if the sprayer will

work consistently.

Put a spray on each wrist and two on the neck this morning. Hope I didn\'t over do it for

work. Did make the mistake of using Realm deodorant today and every time I raise my arm, I get a whiff of that.

Don\'t think they go together that well and the deodorant is so much stronger. Have to keep my arms to my sides I

guess.

Too early to tell any effects, other than I feel pretty good today. Could be the Realm though.

Gonna be

a coin toss now whether I use this or Pheros/TE when I see my friend in San Diego next week. I want to try both on

her but am having a hard time deciding on which to try first.

As for the name, I keep thinking of that singer,

Shakara, I think her name is. Maybe it should be called Hai Aikido.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just kidding. I picture myself fighting off the women like in the

old Hai Karate ads with this stuff. First thought of \"Hai Kempo,\" but kempo means \"way of the fist,\" so

thought aikido would be good as it uses leverage, which pheromones are, in a way.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bruce

05-04-2004, 05:40 AM

BJF,

Those messages are

automated and they are connected to the online system. If you ordered by phone PayPal etc you won\'t get

one.

B

bjf

05-04-2004, 05:41 AM

Answered by PM

InternationalPlayboy

05-04-2004, 06:38 AM

Ok, just

had an interaction with one of the few females in my area at work. As I\'ve been finding with mones so far, the

effect again seems to be more on me than anything noticable from the woman. She\'s been around for awhile but

I\'ve kind of ignored her, never thought she was that attractive. Had to temporarily install some equipment for

her a couple of weeks ago and that\'s the first I directly dealt with her.

She just came to pick up her

equipment. First thing I noticed is she is kind of attractive after all. And I was getting aroused talking to her.

Guess it was the thought of her getting turned on by the Chikara I\'m wearing.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Anyway, I felt more attractive and made a lot more eye contact with

her than ever before.

BTW, in my post above, that should be Pheros/NPA, not TE.

Bruce

05-04-2004, 07:04 AM

IP,

That is something I

noticed about Chkara too. It has been oft mentioned in conection with other phero products, but I think it is

especially noticeable with Chikara.

B

Bruce

05-04-2004, 07:35 AM

Chikara Update

As you

porbably know, we got in (and shipped out already) the first 50 bottles last Friday. The plan was to sell only 100

betas total, but we were able to stretch the second 50 into another 100, so that brings the total to 150. As you

have also noticed no doubt, we are having some problems with the spray heads, so I don\'t think we will make any

more using the old apparatus.

Probably you all have a pretty good idea if you made the first 50 bottles or not,

but we have sold about 100 by now and haven\'t mailed out any news to those who didn\'t make the cut. In

general (online orders) if you didn\'t get a \"your order has been shipped\" email, then your order didn\'t

make the first 50 and hasn\'t been shipped.

The next 100 bottles will be filled tomorrow, and I am trying to

see if I can get the leak problems fixed; not too hopeful about that though. We should have the bottles at our

warehouse by Friday, but I am still not sure if we will get them early enough in the day to get any orders shipped.

At the latest, we will ship them all on Monday.

Anyone, receiving a significantly low-level bottle of Chikara

should email (not PM) me with the full name on the order and we\'ll take care of that.

Regards and

thanks,
Bruce

StandingTall

05-04-2004, 09:33 AM

Bigdog,

The

giddiness was a little out of the ordinary. There were four different tables of girls and all were having a good

time laughing while they were supposed to be studying. The eye contact was unmistakable along with the girls who

would go out of there way to walk directly past me.

bigdog

05-04-2004, 09:42 AM

I won\'t probably get

mine til Thursday or Friday. That\'s because I\'m sure it will require a signature just like Pheros did and I

will not be home. I\'ll get a notice of 3 attempts to deliver failed and I\'ll have to get at the post office.

Not sure why my previous AE/TE order and most others get delivered to my mail without a sig but Pheros and perhaps

Chikara will need the sig. Oh well....

bjf

05-04-2004, 09:55 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bigdog,

The giddiness was a little out of the ordinary. There were four

different tables of girls and all were having a good time laughing while they were supposed to be studying. The eye

contact was unmistakable along with the girls who would go out of there way to walk directly past me.

<hr

/></blockquote>

So do you think it was the edge that did that? How is edge for you

normally?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I won\'t probably get mine til

Thursday or Friday. That\'s because I\'m sure it will require a signature just like Pheros did and I will not be

home. I\'ll get a notice of 3 attempts to deliver failed and I\'ll have to get at the post office. Not sure why

my previous AE/TE order and most others get delivered to my mail without a sig but Pheros and perhaps Chikara will

need the sig. Oh well....

<hr /></blockquote>

Can\'t you leave a note that you

will pick it up at the post office? They are supposed to leave a note after eveyr attempt and then you can sign

something saying you will pick it up. Anyway, if you know you aren\'t going to be home, I\'d leave a note for

the mailman and then go to the post office. That\'s what I do.

bigdog

05-04-2004, 10:13 AM

Thanks for the advice

BJF. I will probably leave a note to leave at the post office since I will be off work in time to pickup the next

couple days.

I believe TE often is cuplprit of giddiness. But I think more likely if some nol with it. I prefer

AE with it so the rone perhaps gives gals the signal it\'s me that\'s the source. Not sure if rone is all the

necessary for women to detect the friendly/sensual signals are coming from me. A little WAGG in hair or back of neck

too.

I for one have better success with TE than NPA. I just think AE/NPA combo can be easy to OD with none on. At

least that\'s the case for me.

If Chikara promotes confidence and a sensuous attitude on me that\'s great. I

do hope it does have noticeably positive affects on women too. Time will tell!

EvilChemist

05-04-2004, 11:58 AM

Yes, my bottle

isn\'t cooperating with my wishes as well. I\'m going to get out my tools tonight, remove the top and transfer

to an empty dropper bottle. No spillage in transit, though.

xxxPantero

05-04-2004, 01:54 PM

okay, got my bottle of

Chikara today. A little leakage, not much. Label is sticky, but it smells good. Like a clean musk. I sprayed some on

my wrist, and couldn\'t stop smelling it. Unfortunately, I did this AFTER work. I\'m going to the gym now, and

to martial arts class later. Will report back any unusual reactions.

This stuff is making me sleepy and giving

me a headache. Plus I got wood a minute after smelling it. Could have just been that I needed to de-stress, or it

might have been Chikara. I guess I\'ll find out later.

koolking1

05-04-2004, 02:03 PM

my order came in

today. The bottle was about 3/4 full and the label was mostly worn off - some trace stickiness and scent on the

outside of the bottle which I immediately rubbed on my jacket for later observations. My girlfriend and I will be

seeing old friends this weekend so I think that may be my first opportunity to do some testing. My initial

impression is \"muskiness\" but I\'ll have my GF check it when she gets home as she\'s the \"nose\" in the

family.

Helsinki

05-04-2004, 02:26 PM

I still say you call it

\"Pherocious\" Who\'s idea was that? Brilliant.

Gossamer_2701

05-04-2004, 02:33 PM

Wooo Hooo... I got

mine today to /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There was just a tiny bit of leakage.... a bit

less than 1/4 inch missing and I haven\'t had any problems with the sprayer.... it emits a nice fine mist after 2

pumps or so. I would definitely like to see the final version come with a removable top though.

I really like

the scent... but I\'m not very good at describing the notes, so I\'m not going to try. I\'ll have to wait

until Fri night to test it out.

Thanks to Bruce and DST, I now I have two incredible new scents in my arsenal

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

bjf

05-04-2004, 02:37 PM

Goss, KoolKing, Pantero,

don\'t you guys need to go to the supermarket? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Honestly,

SOMEONE (in possession of Chikara) go to the supermarket! Bruce is on the edge of his seat waiting for you to do

so!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Helsinki

05-04-2004, 02:48 PM

SERIOUSLY! We\'re all

dying here. Someone go somewhere with this stuff already!

Unknownshadown20

05-04-2004, 03:17 PM

Its strange I

haven\'t yet gotta mine and it was shipped on Friday, normally it takes 3 days to get my stuff from love-scent. I

was planning ON wearing it tomorrow to class : /

bigdog

05-04-2004, 03:25 PM

As mentioned before it

may require signature. So if you aren\'t around for the mailman leave a note outside to leave at post office

otherwise they\'ll keep trying to deliver at your door.

koolking1

05-04-2004, 03:30 PM

supermarket!!! hah!!!

my girlfriend left half an hour ago for the market with a liberal dose on - will report results later this

evening. Though, she didn\'t care for the scent all that much but allows that it is a \"male\" product and has

a very masculine scent to it. More later!

Unknownshadown20

05-04-2004, 03:42 PM

Actually I have

been around when the mailman arrives these 4 days and still nothing. Hopefully by tomorrow noon, unless it is

missing : /

koolking1

05-04-2004, 04:18 PM

ok good and bad: Sue

wore a very liberal amount to the supermarket (please keep in mind the sex of the wearer). She doesn\'t like it

herself, makes her feel grumpy and tired. Would not like the scent on a man either - reminds her too much of

straight NPA. On the bright side, women at the supermarket \"looked\" at her more than usual, one woman kept

bumping (not literally) into her and more or less followed her up and down the aisles (\"too much to be a

coincidence\"). A comparison to Pheros would be sort of unfair but it\'s seeming to be two entirely different

ballgames, Pheros appeals to Sue so much that she wears it all the time; she would never wear Chikara again.

Clearly, as Sue remarked to me, I should be the one testing this product so I will asap. Hope this helps. I\'ll

wait till after the weekend to fill out the survey that comes with Chikara.

bjf

05-04-2004, 04:31 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ok good and bad: Sue wore a very liberal amount to the supermarket (please

keep in mind the sex of the wearer). She doesn\'t like it herself, makes her feel grumpy and tired. Would not

like the scent on a man either - reminds her too much of straight NPA. On the bright side, women at the supermarket

\"looked\" at her more than usual, one woman kept bumping (not literally) into her and more or less followed her

up and down the aisles (\"too much to be a coincidence\"). A comparison to Pheros would be sort of unfair but

it\'s seeming to be two entirely different ballgames, Pheros appeals to Sue so much that she wears it all the

time; she would never wear Chikara again. Clearly, as Sue remarked to me, I should be the one testing this product

so I will asap. Hope this helps. I\'ll wait till after the weekend to fill out the survey that comes with

Chikara.

<hr /></blockquote>

This could be a good sign. None doesn\'t make the

women to happy when they wear it. We know that works.

And the scent is supposed to be masculine, IIRC. And at

least Sue got some more ec from women. Could this be because she is a woman wearing (perhaps) men\'s mones and

this caught the womens attention/caught them off guard.

Anyway, thanks for the report, I don\'t think there is

anything negative about it.

BTW, haven\'t you guys heard, men are supposed to do the grocery shopping nowadays.

It is part of our liberation movement.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

koolking1

05-04-2004, 04:35 PM

I usually do the

grocery shopping as I\'m also the home \"chef\". Sue went today as I\'m beat from moving stuff as we\'re

moving ourselves this time instead of using a moving company. So There!!! Just joking.

bjf

05-04-2004, 04:40 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I\'m beat from moving stuff as we\'re moving ourselves

<hr

/></blockquote>

Girlish indeed, all while being very liberating!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I am going to

go light some candles and take a bubble bath now.

burgerama1960

05-04-2004, 07:26 PM

I recieved mine

today. It leaked just alittle. The sprayer just takes a few sprays to work. It is quite good once it starts working

right. The smell is not overbearing at all. It is really a nice manly smell. You can definetly tell there are mones

in this stuff just by how it makes me feel. hope it makes the gals feel the same way.

Watcher

05-05-2004, 12:57 AM

Well my order goes in

tomorrow - although i might delay another week just to see the progress. Or i might go with another bottle of

pheros if there is any left.

Gossamer_2701

05-05-2004, 04:17 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Honestly, SOMEONE (in possession of Chikara) go to

the supermarket! Bruce is on the edge of his seat waiting for you to do so!!!

<hr /></blockquote>

Sorry guys... I was going to look at leasing a new condo and didn\'t want to wear an untested

product. I chose to go with a safe and tested combo (which worked quite well... the guy offered it to me on the spot

even though he had shown it to 3 people before me, and stil had two more after me

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
I did spray some on my wrist when I got home and I couldn\'t

stop smelling the scent... I love it, and the phero buzz was unmistakable

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Great job Bruce!!

I\'ll be visiting friends with a newborn

tonight and don\'t wear mones when I visit because I don\'t want to take the chance of messing with his

development. I\'ll definitely take it for a test run tomorrow at the mall, grocery store and probably Borders and

the attached cafe.

jose

05-05-2004, 04:34 AM

Well I got tired of the

defect spray so I took it apart and put Chikara in my blue Atomizer. I tested it out and sprayed once in the back

of my hand, it is true you can\'t stop smelling it. At first you get a alcohol/Pheromone type of smell but that

goes away within a few minutes and the fragrance takes over. I\'m helping a friend and his family move this

Saturday so hopefully will get a reaction.

Bruce

05-05-2004, 05:53 AM

Koolking,
This product was

painstakingly formulated for men to wear over a period of years. Assuming Sue is a woman, I\'m not surprised she

got a bad reaction. I can\'t imagine anything further from being a unisex product.

Everybody,
About the spray

head: there is obviously a whole lotta leakin\' goin\' on, but I need to know if there is really documented

problems with the pump function. I spoke with a techy on that point and he insists it just takes a good few pumps

to get the thing primed and after that it is smooth sailing. Now, some customers have verified that and I myself

never had that experience too. Has anyone actually gotten the spray head delivering some cologne but yet somehow or

\'nother not really working right? EG: really clogged up or spraying sideways etc etc. Definitely not working

right other than just taking a bunch of pumps to get going the very first time you use it??? That\'s what I am

still wondering. I know a number of guys have said they don\'t like it, but is that just a personal preference

for something other than a spray-head fixed on the top or is the sprayer really defective? Gotta know

that.

About the product: I am really biting my tongue not to tell more of what I know about this product because

reports are starting to come in that are similar to what I was hoping for and expecting, but I want to keep the data

free of my projections as much as possible. How the product makes the wearer feel is a big part of what makes the

stuff special, but I have also noticed social reactions that I honestly feel take pheromone use to an entirely new

level.

Thanks for all the good feedback,
Bruce

Holmes

05-05-2004, 06:09 AM

Post deleted by

Bruce

DZorro

05-05-2004, 06:26 AM

Post deleted by

Bruce

jose

05-05-2004, 06:47 AM

My spray was defective I must

have pumped more than 15 times and kept getting little droplets, not a full spray type of mist like I\'m used to.

Personally I think the product should have a cap on, it prevents leakage during transit, some members like to use

dabs instead of spraying.

InternationalPlayboy

05-05-2004, 07:59 AM

I

haven\'t had any more problems with the spray head. Like I said before, I like the bottle design and other than

the label sticking to the bubble wrap, I saw no signs of leaking. Couldn\'t smell anything when I smelled the

wrapping to try to determine if it leaked or not.

Put on three sprays again this morning. Not using Realm

deodorant today, the scent of this was more noticable to me. Unfortunately, soon after I got to work, I went home as

my car\'s transmission was acting funny and decided I\'d better have it checked out before my trip Sunday. So

the car\'s in the shop and I\'m sitting at home. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Unknownshadown20

05-05-2004, 08:08 AM

5 days and

still nothing yet :/

koolking1

05-05-2004, 08:45 AM

Bruce, yes - Sue is a

woman. She really enjoys the Pheros and wears it every day so she thought she might like the Chikara, hence her

putting some on - she just happened to be going to the grocery store and was able to report some results with it.

Am wondering why two above posts were deleted??

Today I put approximately 3 sprays on myself and rubbed in

into my skin, wrists and arms. The spray function does work fine once it\'s primed, 2-3 pushes on it was all it

took. I only regret though that Sue didn\'t think to shake the bottle before priming the pump, hope that has no

bearing. I then went out and found a nice upscale gourmet grocery (we just moved here so we\'re \"exploring\"

the area as well). It was fairly quiet inside but there were approximately 20 women in the store, customers and

employees. The female employees were all relatively good-looking women, ages 20 to about 45. The customers

appeared to be middle/upper middle class housewives, a few with babies/children. The time was about 10AM. I just

sauntered around for about 15 minutes. Every single woman there that I crossed paths with smiled at me, most

unusual. I am personable myself but rarely does everyone give me a smile. I didn\'t get any DIHLs but unlike

other products I\'ve used, this one seemed to affect all women. I then went to Home Depot and had to get some

help from a man who \"seemed\" gay. He was helpful but not overly so. I also went to a kitchen/gourmet store and

crossed paths with about 3-4 female employees but didn\'t get the same smiles as I had about 1 1/2 hours

previously - perhaps Chikara doesn\'t last too too long??? I could still smell it on my skin but it wasn\'t

nearly as strong. I should also point out that it\'s a nice sunny and breezy day here in Portsmouth and while

outdoors I could catch my own scent pretty damn good. The scent seemed to \"surround\" me, not so indoors though.

My mood was better than usual, had an overall feeling of well-being and some feelings of love towards Sue when I

thought about her (somewhat unusual for me when out and about checking out other women). I\'ll be doing more

testing this weekend for sure. I am impressed with Chikara.

Bruce

05-05-2004, 09:23 AM

KoolK,

OK. Maybe I got a

little defensive there. Sorry. :-) No biggy. The two deleted posts were just jokes about men with women\'s

names including one long quoted section; wasted space.

B

koolking1

05-05-2004, 09:43 AM

Well, both Sue and I

use the male products. Sue is bisexual. She really loves Pheros and will sometimes wear APC in sexual situations.

She\'s also really into scents and makes her own perfume (that is, until Pheros - by the way, when will more be

available???). Since she also does have the better sense of smell of the two of us, she wanted to try the Chikara

immediately. She did feel really cranky all last night. I\'m wondering why APC doesn\'t affect her that way.

APC makes her feel very sexual and happy. Questions questions questions. Let\'s see, it\'s been about 4 hours

now since I put on the Chikara and the scent has faded quite a bit but it\'s still there mildly. I\'m going to

try it on clothing next time as that\'s how I usually wear any mone products.

Bruce

05-05-2004, 11:04 AM

APC has so little actual

pheromone in it that you need an atomic scale to measure it. The stuff just smells good and works super good as a

pheromone cover. That\'s why we sell it. In the beginning I used a mix of Primal and APC almost every day, but

have use APC on its own maybe once or twice. So, I am not surprised that Sue likes it. Chikara is \"Norwegian

Woody\" with balls. It must be used with great caution. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if she put just a

tiny tiny amount on one wrist, she would be high as a kite on it, but if she just picked up that spray bottle and

started spritzing away like she would with a women\'s after bath spray, I\'m surprised she didn\'t smack

somebody unconscious. That is 10 mg ($70. worth) of pure male pheromones in that relatively small 15 ml bottle with

a very male fragrance to boot. Caution advised. Even for males; do not take a bath in this stuff. Even with

mortal products, it has oft been noted \"less is more\". Start small; enjoy; let it work its magic. It is

probably going to take a few days at best for you to really \"get\" what is happening with this stuff. It

honestly introduces an entirely new dimension to pheromone use.

Bruce

Unknownshadown20

05-05-2004, 11:20 AM

Man, Bruce now

I really wish I had it : /

bigdog

05-05-2004, 11:28 AM

I especially like the

feedback that Chikara seems to elevate the wearer\'s mood positively and that confidence seems to be increased

too. That surely will make one more attractive to women as they sense this. Perhaps Chikara can replace beer?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

franki

05-05-2004, 01:12 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Perhaps Chikara can replace beer?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

05-05-2004, 01:28 PM

So those who missed

the first 50 can expect theirs to arrive by late next week, on the average?

DrSmellThis

05-05-2004, 01:33 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ok good and bad: Sue wore a very liberal amount

to the supermarket (please keep in mind the sex of the wearer). She doesn\'t like it herself, makes her feel

grumpy and tired. Would not like the scent on a man either - reminds her too much of straight NPA. On the bright

side, women at the supermarket \"looked\" at her more than usual, one woman kept bumping (not literally) into her

and more or less followed her up and down the aisles (\"too much to be a coincidence\"). A comparison to Pheros

would be sort of unfair but it\'s seeming to be two entirely different ballgames, Pheros appeals to Sue so much

that she wears it all the time; she would never wear Chikara again. Clearly, as Sue remarked to me, I should be the

one testing this product so I will asap. Hope this helps. I\'ll wait till after the weekend to fill out the

survey that comes with Chikara.

<hr /></blockquote>

Sue might keep in mind that it

should smell very different on a man, as the chem reactions on their skin are very different. So the NPA thing might

not be an issue. If I understand Bruce correctly, -none is the only thing it has in common with NPA.

burgerama1960

05-05-2004, 02:52 PM

Today a 80 year

old women asked me if I wanted to play find the right wrinkle with her. Also had lots of smiles from the gals today.

I used two sprays to the neck. This stuff is working better than anything else I have tried. By the way, I let the

80 year old down easy, I not ready for wrinkles just yet.

bigdog

05-05-2004, 02:56 PM

Come again?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

bjf

05-05-2004, 02:59 PM

Congratulations Bruce. I

know it must be a tough start with this product after you have worked so hard to get the formula right.

It

looks like you really got something good going though. Hopefully while you sort out the mess you can find time to

be proud of your concoction.

Elana

05-05-2004, 03:18 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Today a 80 year old women asked me if I wanted to play find the right

wrinkle with her.

<hr /></blockquote>

You go, stud!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

koolking1

05-05-2004, 05:49 PM

yep, Bruce this is a

winner for sure and you should be celebrating!!! The past month or so is a milestone with Pheros and now Chikara.

I asked Sue again about how she felt last night and it was more of a severe depression than anything else, not

something she intends on doing again. We both went out for dinner this evening, sat at the bar, her with Pheros, me

with Chikara, alas, the bar was nearly empty and no women at all sitting near enough to us. I can appreciate the 80

year old hitting on Burgerrama as I also was getting most of my hits lately from women well beyond my age

limitations - it was perplexing to say the least but it does reinforce the validity of pheromones. But now with

Chikara I have a funny feeling things are about to change (read younger, better looking. I doubt I\'ll be able to

do anymore experimenting till the weekend as we\'re still in the long tedious process of moving. I sure would

like to hear others mention their experiences - so, get out there guys and let\'s hear some reports!!!

bigdog

05-05-2004, 05:53 PM

So Chikara seems to have

a positive affect on 80-year olds not 20-40\'s? You guys gotta being joking!

koolking1

05-05-2004, 06:25 PM

nope, I perhaps was

unclear. Today with Chikara I was getting miles of smiles from 20-45 year attractive women. The old ladies were in

my last town and when I was using APC/NPA/SOE.

bigdog

05-05-2004, 06:29 PM

Cool! I misinterpreted.

Especially with his 80-year old hit? But he says it is the shizznit so I can\'t wait to try this weekend. You Da

Man Bruce! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

burgerama1960

05-05-2004, 07:49 PM

I thought it was

funny when out of the blue the 80 year old made a pass at me. And I know it was the pheremones. But also I have been

getting alot of attention from 25-50 year olds as well. Fear not bigdog this stuff is for real. I sprayed some on

the back of my hand and my s.o. cuddled with my hand the whole night sniffing and telling me how wonderful I am

etc.etc.etc.. Bruce, you have a winner here but I think you already knew that. Thanks for the good product and

service.

burgerama1960

05-05-2004, 07:53 PM

I am also curious

as to how this stuff would work in conjuction with DST\'s pheros, both are great products that maybe the ultimate

combo.

DrSmellThis

05-05-2004, 08:37 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Koolking,
This product was painstakingly

formulated for men to wear over a period of years.

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'d love

to know more about it\'s creation.

Sunny

05-06-2004, 04:02 AM

It has just arrived here

in Germany (by express mail...)!!!

No leakage, no label problems - but: The atomizer did not work at all. I

pressed it about 40 times but nothing came out. So I soaked it in hot water for a few minutes. Then I had to press

it again about 20 times, now it seems to work well!

The scent is nice and very male. I am looking forward to

comments from friends...

I now have quite a lot of it on my hands and arms, from getting the atomizer to work. It

makes me dazed, almost like drunk. The effect is quite strong, so there is no doubt that something is working here.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mixing with NPA comes to my mind... but that\'s a long way

down the road of test driving Chikara exclusively! I am sure Bruce has good reasons for the phero ratios he has used

and I am curious to see how the soft and comfort feeling works!

Will post results as I get them...

THANK YOU

Bruce for the great work!!!

Sunny

StandingTall

05-06-2004, 08:26 AM

Update!

From what

I can tell, Chikara seems to cause women to act more caring when interacting with me, this includes strangers. Not

an \"I love you forever\" type caring but more, like \"if everyone cared for each other this way the world would

be a better place\" type of caring /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif . It\'s a strange

sensation to get that kind of vibe from someone that you\'ve never met before. This stuff really puts women at

ease.

DCW

05-06-2004, 08:44 AM

Unknownshadown20

05-06-2004, 09:13 AM

Yes!!!! Finally

Chikara is in my hands. Ok, the bottle looks clear, doesn\'t have any leakage problems. The label is pretty

messing/sticky, the atomizer appears to be working alright, although not perfectly. Hopefully a few more sprays will

fix the problem. Alright, the scent is very light, pleasant, and manly something for a guy. You can tell something

is in it(mones). The scent doesn\'t appear to be cloying or synthetic like most fragrances out there and nothing

as strong as Pheros, Cool Water, A*Men or ADG. I think it smells like lightest version of Casran by Chopard without

all the notes. So, it smells very light, a bit musky, almost natural, keep in mind I have only used one spray.

P.S. This is like almost the perfect scent for a mone product and Thank you Bruce, I look forward to this one.

Unknownshadown20

05-06-2004, 09:15 AM

I also will add

that after smelling it a dozen times I feel strange.

StandingTall

05-06-2004, 09:27 AM

DCW,

I would

say the three ladies at Best Buy that helped me when I picked out, returned and picked out another MP3 player. One

lady at Barnes and Nobles who just started a conversation while I was sitting beside her. That\'s about it so

far.

Bruce

05-06-2004, 09:45 AM

Guys,
Again, don\'t OD

on this stuff. Keep the longing for more there. Myself I wear it on wrists only and the ocassional whiff that

reaches my own nostrils is always welcome. Most folks are not as conservative with fragrance or pheromones as I am,

but start small and work up if you naturaly long for more.

Bruce

DCW

05-06-2004, 11:51 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DCW,

I would say the three ladies at Best Buy that helped me when I

picked out, returned and picked out another MP3 player. One lady at Barnes and Nobles who just started a

conversation while I was sitting beside her. That\'s about it so far.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hang on, these are clerk that are paid to be attentive.
More field testing needed.
Try

Starbucks.

Good luck.

DCW

Sagacious1420

05-06-2004, 12:40 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Update!

From what I can tell, Chikara seems to

cause women to act more caring when interacting with me, this includes strangers. Not an \"I love you forever\"

type caring but more, like \"if everyone cared for each other this way the world would be a better place\" type of

caring /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif . It\'s a strange sensation to get that kind of vibe

from someone that you\'ve never met before. This stuff really puts women at ease.

<hr /></blockquote>

StandingTall-

Your comments and those of burgerama really have me intrigued. While I\'m

quite happy w/ my personal mix, it sounds as if Bruce has come up w/ something that accomplishes what took me a very

long time to develop and at a fraction of the overall cost I\'ve incurred in the process. I\'d love to hear

from others who\'ve noticed this \"feel good factor\" as well. I\'m also curious to find out if anyone has

noticed that Chikara packs a sexual punch to go w/ this effect.

I think it would be very interesting to test

Chikara on one of the girls I\'m seeing right now. She\'s rather jaded for only 22 and quite the ballbuster and

it would be amusing to turn her into a big \"warm fuzzy\"...although I\'d probably miss the fun of our constant

banter.

Sunny

05-06-2004, 01:45 PM

Okay, here is my report

from the first day:

As mentioned above, the effect on myself be can best described as DRUNK. I went out on my

bicycle and I felt like I should not drive, like I had too many beers. A really strong effect and certainly an OD on

myself!

First I went to a travelling agency where I spent almost an hour sitting in front of a nice girl

working on my bookings. We know each other since I am a frequent customer, so I can compare. Maybe she was lightly

friendlier and happier than usual. Also gave me a friendly look in the eyes at the beginning, but nothing so much

out of the ordinary that I could clearly attribute it to Chikara.

Then I went to see a long time and very

close but LJBF female friend. I have tested various products and mixes on her and have a good understanding on how

she reacts. I know how her \'neutral\' behavior looks like. She is one of the few girls which are strong

\"-none responders\" to me. This means she gives me a 100% consistent response with -none, even more with TE/NPA.

This means DIHL, can\'t stop staring at me, is extremely touchy and more obvious signs.

So I was wondering

what would happen with Chikara: Nothing obvious, unfortunately. We spent almost 2 hours close together, but her

reaction looked to me like what I am used to as her \'neutral\' (without mones). I even asked her what she

thinks about the scent. She did not notice anything, so I had her sniff my neck. She said \"Okay - not great, but

not bad either\". But no visible reaction to Chikara. I decided to go to the restroom and spray on a mix of TE and

some fragrance oil. When I returned she immediately said \"now I can smell your fragrance\". It took maybe three

minutes until she changed very obviously (anybody would have noticed) to the TE/NPA typical behavior described

above.

Okay, this was just the first day. I would describe my first impression: Judging from my own reaction,

this is powerful stuff, but the effect is probably of a friendly/softening kind. It may not produce obvious hits

like -none. Got to test more...

Sunny

ToBeOrNotToBe

05-06-2004, 01:48 PM

Don\'t forget

Chikara also has -none. Anyway, perhaps you could try adding a dab or two of TE to see if her reaction is similar to

the reaction in the days you only use TE / NPA.

Sunny

05-06-2004, 01:54 PM

Bruce,

to me the size

of one spray of Chikara looks much smaller than the size of one spray of TE for example (I mean in terms of liquid,

not actual pheromone content, of cause). I believe my atomizer is working good now - it produces a nice fine mist.

But it really looks less than what an average atomizer gives.

Can you confirm this?

Sunny

Sunny

05-06-2004, 01:57 PM

ToBeOrNotToBe: That\'s

pretty much what I did when I added TE on top of the Chikara. But tomorrow I will try smaller amounts (not with her,

though...).

koolking1

05-06-2004, 02:08 PM

I was going to wait

for the weekend to continue testing but couldn\'t resist. I used two sprays of Chikara - one on each arm, rubbed

in. I drove back up to Conway in my continuing venture to get all our stuff moved down here, stopped at burger king

drive-thru, the woman saw my dog and said \"wow, he\'s a smart dog\". He was just sitting there on the seat

next to me, doing nothing much at all. Further up the road I had to stop for a toll booth and the guy there took the

time to explain to me that I\'d be much better off buying tokens, he gave me $10 worth for $5 - amazing - as far

as I knew there is no discount at all in NH when buying tokens. I then did a bunch of work after getting to my old

place and figured the mones had worn off by the time I was done, headed home, unloaded all I had packed, took a

shower, sprayed twice on left arm and once on the right, headed to a regular supermarket with high expectations -

zero. Yesterday at the gourmet market it was early in the day and a very relaxed atmosphere. Today at the regular

market it was about 5:30 and everyone was hustling thru like usual at that hour so I figure it was just too busy for

anyone to notice my scent. I did feel mildly confused driving home but keep in mind I just moved here so that was a

factor. I think the \"love\" factor is higher than the \"sex\" factor with this product - I base that upon

other\'s comments and my own feelings yesterday of enormous love for my Sue - most unusual for me, not that I

don\'t love her it just isn\'t something I think about much ordinarily.